[HN Gopher] Egg Freckles: The Newton at 30
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       Egg Freckles: The Newton at 30
        
       Author : macstainless
       Score  : 22 points
       Date   : 2022-08-30 20:47 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | LeoPanthera wrote:
       | I still have a Newton (a 2100), and although it ceased to be a
       | daily carry device for me somewhere around 2007, I only finally
       | stopped using it altogether just a few years ago, as it was
       | becoming increasingly difficult to move my notes on and off the
       | thing.
       | 
       | The bad handwriting trope has always baffled me. I've never had a
       | problem. I know that the 2000 series Newtons are considerably
       | improved compared to the original generation, but I did also use
       | an original generation Newton, and it was actually fine.
       | 
       | I think the "Eat up Martha" gag from the Simpsons became such a
       | trope that people just assumed it must be awful.
        
         | Maursault wrote:
         | I was always amazed by it. Other PDAs used a special alphabet
         | one had to memorize, but Newton learned and recognized natural
         | handwriting. And while Newton didn't last long, the handwriting
         | recognition did, reincarnated as _Inkwell._ [1]
         | 
         | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inkwell_(Macintosh)
        
           | mikestew wrote:
           | And then Microsoft acquired the company that made
           | Calligrapher (which originally ran on the Newtons), and it
           | ended up in the early WinCE PDA devices. I used it with the
           | WinCE devices, and it worked quite well. "Egg freckles",
           | indeed.
        
       | QuarterRoy wrote:
       | My first job after college was maintaining Newton script mobile
       | application used by my employer.
       | 
       | Later we moved the app over to a windows CE device and developed
       | an office management suite in the 4D programming language to
       | compliment it.
        
       | abruzzi wrote:
       | still have a 2000 upgraded to 2100 in a closet somewhere. At some
       | level the iPhone was such a disappoinment after having owned a
       | Newton, becuase the early iPhone, even after the introduction of
       | the app store, felt like a bunch of siloed apps, where the Newton
       | "soup" allowed fairly seamless extensibility and
       | interoperability. (well, at least it felt like that in the 90's.)
        
         | mikestew wrote:
         | Of course the early iPhone apps were siloed, one could not even
         | copy/paste between apps until three versions in. :-) But the
         | iPhone did, indeed, feel like a step back in many ways. Though
         | Microsoft would let it languish and later get stomped by iOS,
         | the early WinCE/Windows Mobile devices had better inter-app
         | communication and integration. I felt like I could get stuff
         | _done_ (and I did) on some of those devices. The early iPhone
         | had a lot of innovation, but there was no last-minute editing
         | of a Word doc on those devices.
        
         | spaetzleesser wrote:
         | I always wonder how a Newton would perform on modern hardware.
         | Considering how well the handwriting recognition worked on 90s
         | hardware it should be pretty great by now. I definitely miss
         | it. The iPhone feels like a step backwards in terms of user and
         | developer friendliness.
        
       | jedc wrote:
       | I _loved_ my Newton. I loved it so much that even when it was
       | stolen out of my car in ~2003, I got a MessagePad 2100 off of
       | eBay to replace it.
       | 
       | It was only when the iPhone came out that someone was able to pry
       | my Newton out of my hands.
        
       | Apocryphon wrote:
       | One of the most fascinating things about the Newton is that its
       | systems and applications were written in Dylan, a LISP-like
       | language, though that seems to have been replaced by
       | NewtonScript.
       | 
       | https://opendylan.org/_static/dylanwwdc94brochure.pdf
       | 
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20160328123939/http://opendylan....
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22398899
        
         | SeanLuke wrote:
         | Dylan was never on the Newton. The Newton team had two proposed
         | products, Senior and Junior. Senior was gonna run Dylan, but
         | they kept waiting on the Dylan team to produce something
         | usable, and it never happened. So they gave up on Senior,
         | dumped the notion of using Dyan entirely, and finished Junior
         | using NewtonScript to get the product out the door. That became
         | the Newton.
        
           | Apocryphon wrote:
           | Yeah, that's what Walter Smith says:
           | 
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22400696
        
       | EB-Barrington wrote:
       | Eat up Martha
       | 
       | (one of the 200,000 former Newton owners here)
        
       | rcarmo wrote:
       | It is somewhat ironic that I can actually write this on an iPad
       | using Scribble nearly 30 years later and after Apple killed the
       | Newton, reinvented its mobile devices, and declined to add a
       | stylus to them...
       | 
       | Incidentally, it recognizes "egg freckles" just fine.
        
         | charles_kaw wrote:
         | I suppose it took a bunch of innovations to make it more usable
         | over that past thirty years, though.
         | 
         | - vastly improved software - much better accuracy and
         | integration with "custom" words (such as contact book
         | addresses)
         | 
         | - bigger screen - no hitting the edge every few words
         | 
         | - lower latency/higher resolution - ink appears as you're
         | writing, providing better and instant feedback
        
       | jmbwell wrote:
       | Something that strikes me, using a Newton today, is just how
       | little has changed in the fundamental things people want to do
       | with a mobile device: messaging, contacts, calendars, and notes.
       | For all that modern devices can do, these four essentials seem
       | more or less the same in concept and function between my
       | MessagePad 120 and my iPad Pro, despite 30 years between them.
        
         | thrway3344444 wrote:
         | Games, stream video content, entertain young children at
         | restaurants and on planes, edit/produce content for social
         | media, ...
        
       | amysox wrote:
       | Handwriting recognition is a "hard" problem, and the Newton tried
       | to take it on directly, with more or less success. Other
       | companies went for workarounds. Some people retrained humans to
       | write in such a way that the PDA could easily recognize it, e.g.
       | Palm with their Graffiti writing system used with PalmOS. Others
       | just put a keyboard on the device, as in the early WinCE devices,
       | and which reached the pinnacle of evolution on the Blackberry.
       | Then smartphone makers just turned that into a software keyboard
       | on the screen, which is what we see in iOS and Android.
       | 
       | Now, the big thing is voice recognition, which is also a "hard"
       | problem. But we no longer need to seek workarounds the way we did
       | with handwriting recognition, for two reasons: first, because the
       | phone itself now contains _much_ more processing power than the
       | early PDAs did, and second (and more important), the evolution of
       | high-speed wireless networking makes it not only possible, but
       | feasible, to offload the  "hard" parts of voice recognition to an
       | even _more_ powerful server somewhere on the Internet. Which
       | enables, not only voice recognition, but software agents like
       | Siri, Alexa, and Google Assistant.
       | 
       | One day there will likely be a breakthrough somewhere that makes
       | the gap between handwriting recognition and voice recognition
       | look like child's play. I'm not sure what that will be. Maybe
       | direct brain interfacing, as in William Gibson's or Jim
       | Strickland's science-fiction universes, or as in John Scalzi's
       | "BrainPal"?
       | 
       |  _(Taken from some musings I wrote on Facebook back in 2018)_
        
       | drzoltar wrote:
       | I've always wanted to get one of these old Apple Newtons and
       | trying to upgrade the built in handwriting recognition system
       | with something a bit more modern, within the limitations of
       | having 8mb of ram :). Anyone have any experience hacking them?
        
         | LeoPanthera wrote:
         | I think it would be more interesting to run under emulation.
         | The hardware is getting a bit old and creaky these days. Under
         | emulation it could enjoy a considerable CPU and RAM boost.
         | 
         | An iPad with a pencil would be an ideal target.
         | 
         | (Given that it uses an ARM processor, maybe you wouldn't need
         | to emulate it, on A and M-chip devices.)
        
           | NobodyNada wrote:
           | > (Given that it uses an ARM processor, maybe you wouldn't
           | need to emulate it, on A and M-chip devices.)
           | 
           | The Newton has a 32-bit ARM processor, whereas all of Apple's
           | processors for the last ~5 years have only implemented
           | AArch64.
        
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