[HN Gopher] Buckminster Fuller's greatest invention was his own ...
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       Buckminster Fuller's greatest invention was his own image
        
       Author : conanxin
       Score  : 55 points
       Date   : 2022-09-01 15:12 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | swayvil wrote:
       | Step 1 : create your mythology.
       | 
       | Step 2 : live it
       | 
       | It's an effective algorithm. Maybe even better than "invent a
       | bunch of stuff".
       | 
       | The face and memes live for a thousand years. The _Dymaxion_
       | fades pretty fast.
       | 
       | Ironically, though we are obsessed with machinery and endlessly
       | discuss it, study it and work at it, it is only a tiny corner of
       | our world.
        
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         | hooverd wrote:
         | I will remember the Dymaxion car. A cross between "the Homer"
         | and an Airstream.
        
       | michaelwww wrote:
       | Inventing a public persona for fun and profit is a tradition in
       | America (I can't speak for other countries.) I read a really good
       | book on the topic many years ago: "Inventing Mark Twain: The
       | Lives of Samuel Langhorne Clemens." I should read it again,
       | because it was very interesting. Ben Franklin was another one
       | from humble beginnings that turned himself into a world renown
       | Parisian diplomat and inventor, among many other things.
       | 
       | Edit: my favorite story of self-reinvention is the story of Korla
       | Pandit. I love it because it's something I would have done.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korla_Pandit
        
       | causality0 wrote:
       | I had a lot more respect for Fuller before I learned about his
       | "don't try to change behavior, technology will fix the problem"
       | approach to nearly every societal ill including climate change.
        
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         | UniverseHacker wrote:
         | I don't think that's a fair characterization of his concept
         | (which he called ephemeralization), e.g. "to do more and more
         | with less and less until eventually you can do everything with
         | nothing." He was critical of the lack of effectiveness of
         | politics, arguing that energy put into it is unlikely to result
         | in any real change. He showed that one could promote a radical
         | new technological idea, and be seen as a non-threatening 'out
         | of touch nerd' to all sides of a contentious political issue
         | like climate change. This allows you to build cultural momentum
         | and funding towards a solution and avoid the polarizing
         | gridlock of politics.
         | 
         | He absolutely intended to radically change behavior, by
         | replacing our current way of doing things with a very different
         | better way, that uses less resources. Not just the same thing
         | somehow miraculously not problematic.
         | 
         | Summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeralization
         | 
         | This is a different idea than blind technological optimism,
         | although they seem similar on the surface.
        
           | mandmandam wrote:
           | Am I wrong to think that there's a very strong, quiet,
           | deliberate push against anything 'idealist' or 'utopian',
           | more and more?
           | 
           | It feels like I'm seeing a lot of articles lately that get
           | deep thinkers quite wrong, or which use their personal
           | character flaws to invalidate their ideas.
           | 
           | Nuance as a concept seems to be dying more now even than
           | under Trump, and it feels _artificial_. Deliberately
           | instigated.
           | 
           | ... Am I being overly paro here?
        
         | rglover wrote:
         | It's an extremely reasonable POV considering that he doesn't
         | exclude human behavior as a variable. Unfortunately, most CC
         | extremists do this to such a degree that their arguments are
         | laughable/psychologically concerning.
         | 
         | People aren't going to (and frankly, shouldn't have to if
         | there's an option/solution) dial back their lifestyle unless
         | they're forced at the barrel of a gun or it happens by
         | circumstance. That it's even possible to rely on technology as
         | a solution is a good thing and makes sense.
         | 
         | Why make life miserable if you don't have to? And to be clear:
         | we absolutely don't. Any miserable outcome is redirecting
         | technology away from a solution (e.g., safe, abundant nuclear
         | energy) towards technocratic authoritariaism (digital IDs,
         | CBDCs, etc) and other psychopathic control systems that rely on
         | extreme subjugation of human beings.
        
         | Retric wrote:
         | Seems like a reasonable argument.
         | 
         | Technology _is_ doing vastly more for climate change than
         | behavior.
        
           | analog31 wrote:
           | Also, technology is changing behavior.
        
             | Retric wrote:
             | In what way?
             | 
             | An end user can't tell if electricity came from a wind farm
             | or a coal power plant.
        
       | Rekksu wrote:
       | This article isn't really about Bucky Fuller so much as it is
       | about a 21st century skeptic's view of technological optimism.
       | The criticisms feel weak unless you are predisposed against his
       | philosophy.
       | 
       | In so far as the critique has any merit, it comes from
       | comparisons to him and others who make careers out of commentary
       | and punditry (inherently self-aggrandizing professions). I think
       | that type of work is actually legitimate, though it is a)
       | basically what publications like Slate and TNR are for and b) not
       | really a complete summary of Fuller's work, which succeeded in
       | genuine contributions to architecture.
        
         | djmips wrote:
         | You said what I was trying to say in my comment but way better.
         | ;-)
        
       | djmips wrote:
       | When they disparage Fuller being in a line-up in an Apple
       | Commercial that includes Dylan, Einstein, Muhammad Ali - my first
       | thought is that it's not that he doesn't fit in because he's not
       | actually notable but that he does fit in - those people
       | notability are also a product of PR. Dylan in particular is in
       | the business of 'image'. Ali for sure and even Einstein's fame
       | was hugely out of proportion with his actual contributions. MLK's
       | job was to grab minds (for a good cause). I used to hate sales
       | and maybe most engineers do but it's really a fact of human
       | existence.
        
         | noir_lord wrote:
         | > Einstein's fame was hugely out of proportion with his actual
         | contributions
         | 
         | Hugely?. I'd accept there was some variance (as you'd expect)
         | but hugely made me stop and consider what you mean here.
        
           | djmips wrote:
           | Well I considered my wording and maybe it's the wrong word
           | but for example, Maxwell isn't well known beyond people who
           | are interested in science. So although Einstein's
           | contributions were great there are many many others who don't
           | have the PR.
           | 
           | Remember we are talking about public fame.
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | He's sorta like a mix between Seth Godin and Elon Musk
        
       | UniverseHacker wrote:
       | Yet another post hating on Fuller without understanding his work
       | or ideas. I would like to quote what I posted two weeks ago about
       | this:
       | 
       | > I think there is a lot of desire to 'cancel' historical tech
       | visionaries like Fuller nowadays, because we are all burned out,
       | depressed, and disengaged- feeling that our efforts have no real
       | effect, and are pointless. It's easier to say people like Fuller
       | didn't really do much, than to admit that we are capable of so
       | much more.
       | 
       | > Instead of thinking of him as a con-artist and self promoter,
       | realize that his actions also fit someone that - well into his
       | late 80s, still felt the joy, open mindedness, and limitless
       | possibilities that young kids feel, and is usually burned out of
       | us. He was so excited about what was possible!
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32513327
        
         | Isamu wrote:
         | Can we appreciate someone's contributions without idolizing
         | them?
         | 
         | I would agree, yes, he had some objectively interesting ideas
         | and proposals.
         | 
         | The idolizing masses surrounding him makes it impossible to
         | critique things like his Synergetics textbook, which was ...
         | not good to be generous.
        
         | cxr wrote:
         | The thing that this article mentioned and that your comment
         | doesn't pick up on is that there is a new biography out on
         | Fuller. This article is a quasi review, and the contents of the
         | new book doesn't consist solely of uncritical praise. It's a
         | proper biography and contains details that weren't widely
         | discussed before. Unsurprising: not everything about a person's
         | life will be good.
         | 
         | Opining about why people are talking about the less rosy
         | aspects of Fuller's life right now is like if you transported
         | yourself back to the release of Isaacson's biography on Jobs
         | and concerned yourself with why people were discussing the
         | negative details regarding the incidents that Isaacson wrote
         | about.
         | 
         | The author worked with bfi.org to write the book. Calling this
         | "hating on Fuller without understanding his work or ideas" or
         | an attempt to cancel him is silly. (Not least of all because,
         | you know, he's dead.)
        
           | UniverseHacker wrote:
           | Thanks for the context. I have been confused to see so many
           | seemingly out of the blue critical posts about Fuller
           | recently, and wasn't aware of this biography. I'm sure he's
           | far from a perfect person... but his ideas have really had a
           | positive impact on my life, and it would be a real shame if
           | he was relabeled as a con artist that created nothing of
           | value, thus discouraging others from benefiting form his
           | books and ideas.
        
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         | hooverd wrote:
         | limitless possibilities?
        
           | UniverseHacker wrote:
           | yes, fixed
        
         | kibwen wrote:
         | These articles aren't "cancelling" Fuller, they're just
         | dispelling some of his mythology. Indeed, there may be a modern
         | trend towards disillusionment with self-proclaimed visionaries,
         | but that's not necessarily any worse (or better) than what came
         | before. We can evaluate Fuller's legacy with clear eyes and
         | manage to conclude that, while his energy and enthusiasm was
         | laudable, that idealism alone will not save the world.
         | 
         | (And I say this as someone whose favorite map projection is, by
         | far, the Dymaxion map.)
        
           | paulpauper wrote:
           | Agree. No one is trying to cancel him. It's just his legacy
           | is greatly overinflated and his inventions had minimal or no
           | impact on everyday life. It goes to show the power of
           | marketing and perseverance if anything.
        
             | hooverd wrote:
             | And yet, the spirit of the Dymaxion Chronofile persists
             | here.
        
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