[HN Gopher] Samsung Recent Security Incident
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       Samsung Recent Security Incident
        
       Author : rock_artist
       Score  : 132 points
       Date   : 2022-09-02 17:05 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.samsung.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.samsung.com)
        
       | akersten wrote:
       | > but in some cases, may have affected information such as name,
       | contact and demographic information, date of birth, and
       | 
       | That's all you need to steal someone's identity. Major reason why
       | I never give any website my real birthday, and use a password
       | manager to remember all the various "birthdays" I've been
       | required to provide for no ostensible reason.
       | 
       | If we wanted to hammer out a quick and effective privacy
       | legislation, it would be: you need a demonstrable reason to ask
       | for someone's birthday (e.g., legal reason to validate you're old
       | enough to open a bank account or whatever), not "i want to send a
       | happy birthday newsletter every year (and also sell it in a
       | package to data brokers)"
        
         | icedchai wrote:
         | That info is generally already public and easily accessible.
         | Try googling yourself or a relative. You can find their date of
         | birth, address, phone numbers, and neighbors in a couple of
         | minutes.
        
         | YetAnotherNick wrote:
         | > That's all you need to steal someone's identity
         | 
         | I have this information for many billionaires. Now tell me how
         | to steal their identity. I would like to live their life.
        
         | capableweb wrote:
         | > That's all you need to steal someone's identity
         | 
         | I wish we could stop propagating the idea that it's possible to
         | "steal someone's identity". No, you cannot take my identity
         | from me, I am who I am, you are who you are.
         | 
         | What you can do however, with those details, is tricking
         | companies and committing fraud. But it should not be up to me
         | to make sure companies are not being defrauded, the burden is
         | on them to prevent that.
         | 
         | Name, contact information and date of birth are so basic level
         | of information, that if you can commit fraud with just those
         | details, something is seriously wrong as the company you're
         | performing the fraud against.
         | 
         | Some countries even have those details publicly for you to find
         | via public websites. So again, if that's all it takes, the
         | company is doing something seriously wrong.
        
           | cush wrote:
           | > I wish we could stop propagating the idea that it's
           | possible to "steal someone's identity"
           | 
           | Identity theft is a term that comes from the fact that you
           | can use this information to open up a bank account or become
           | someone digitally, not because they steal your personality.
           | 
           | It's a great term because exemplifies the gross negligence
           | and liability that comes with egregious misuse of personal
           | data
        
             | capableweb wrote:
             | If a bank allows someone to open up a bank account with
             | personal details that don't really belong to them, I'd call
             | that fraud and a failure on the banks side. "Stealing
             | someone's identity" sounds like I could and should have
             | been able to prevent that, rather than putting the blame on
             | the bank who accepted false personal details in the first
             | place.
             | 
             | As I said, those details, including address and more, are
             | public in some countries. Those countries have learned to
             | live that just being able to say my name, date of birth,
             | address and telephone number is not enough to open a bank
             | account, why can other "modern" countries not adjust
             | accordingly too?
        
               | largepeepee wrote:
               | Rather than just banks, you can say it is also a systemic
               | problem if the details like ssn is such an important
               | number yet it is so easily obtained.
               | 
               | There is a reason why the majority of these frauds are US
               | based
        
             | synu wrote:
             | There's a funny Mitchell and Webb sketch about it:
             | https://youtu.be/CS9ptA3Ya9E
        
               | nopenopenopeno wrote:
               | Wonderful! I will be sharing this one a lot. Thank you.
        
             | dec0dedab0de wrote:
             | There was a push a while back to call it bank fraud.
             | Because the banks are the victims and should be responsible
             | to protect/insure themselves.
             | 
             | By calling it identity theft, we are saying individuals are
             | the victims and should protect the banks from someone
             | pretending to be them.
             | 
             | Edit: I also believe there was an argument that banks
             | reporting to credit agencies based on fraudulent activity
             | from a 3rd party should be treated as libel.
        
               | [deleted]
        
           | dt3ft wrote:
           | In Sweden, this information is public.
        
             | sigmoid10 wrote:
             | I have the feeling this is mostly a US thing, where a
             | social security card with almost nil personal data is
             | widely used for identification. In Europe you won't get
             | very far with a birthday and a name - and you certainly
             | won't get a credit card or anything close to it.
        
               | omnicognate wrote:
               | Several bank loans and store cards were taken out in my
               | name using only my name, address and date of birth, in
               | the UK. The same cynical business logic applies the world
               | over: it's cheaper to clean up after the inevitable fraud
               | than to implement proper identity checks. This calculus
               | is of course aided by the fact that the detection of the
               | fraud and the organising of the cleanup is taken care of
               | entirely by the victim. "Victim", not "customer", because
               | usually there is no business relationship between the
               | company with the shitty identity checks and the person
               | that has to live with the consequences.
               | 
               | I recommend contacting the credit rating agencies and
               | getting them to place a note on your record with a
               | password, eg. [1]. Don't wait until someone "steals your
               | identity". It's the only way to get these companies to do
               | something resembling an actual identity check. Doing it
               | _after_ they 've lent in your name (as the rating
               | agencies suggest) rather defeats the object.
               | 
               | [1] https://help.equifax.co.uk/EquifaxOnlineHelp/s/articl
               | e/Howdo...
        
               | Nextgrid wrote:
               | The fact that the UK has this nasty concept of "credit
               | history" helps with this, since now all that's needed to
               | take out credit is basic details to lookup the credit
               | bureau profile and then they "vouch" for you.
               | 
               | In countries where this doesn't exist, obtaining credit
               | requires providing proof of income (payslip, etc) to the
               | lender which they verify. A mere name/address/date of
               | birth might be enough to open inconsequential accounts
               | such as loyalty cards, but will absolutely not get you
               | credit - therefore the damage to identity theft victims
               | is greatly reduced or even nullified.
               | 
               | Bad payers are still penalised even without a credit
               | bureau system by a register the government operates onto
               | which a debtor is registered for a certain period after
               | legal action by a lender (so this requires significant
               | effort from the lender - you don't get on this register
               | because of a telecoms billing mishap for example).
               | 
               | With regards to setting a password, I wouldn't trust CRAs
               | to enforce this. What you can do however is pay for CIFAS
               | protective registration - it's usually for victims or
               | those at high risk of identity theft but there's no legal
               | requirement so anyone can pay the admin fee and get added
               | to the register. Lenders check this during credit
               | applications and this puts an instant block on any kind
               | of automated approval and requires them to do further
               | verification.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | ajsnigrutin wrote:
               | In slovenia, you have your name, surname and date of
               | birth, but also unique citizen number (EMSO) and your
               | personal tax number.
               | 
               | They tell you not to tell anyone your EMSO... but EMSO is
               | generated from your date of birth, gender, former
               | yugoslav republic you were born in (slovenia=50) and the
               | sequental number of your birth that day (0-499 boys,
               | 500-999 girls)... plus a checksum. So if you were born in
               | slovenia, are a boy, and were a third boy born on 20th
               | december 1970 (970... because why waste numbers?!?!),
               | your emso would be 201297050003K (K=checksum, too lazy to
               | calculate).
               | 
               | We also have a tax number, that they also tell you not to
               | share... but then you open up an independent contractor
               | business (technically, it's a not a seprate company, but
               | "you" are the company), and your personal tax number is
               | published in many many online systems, info pages, you
               | have to put it on receipts, ads, you have to tell it when
               | you're buying toilet paper for work use, etc.
               | 
               | But yeah... if you want to open a bank account, you need
               | a government issued id card (or passport), and they check
               | it very very throughly.
        
             | nibbleshifter wrote:
             | Which is absolutely demented.
        
             | reaperducer wrote:
             | I always find it curious that allegedly Swedish people on
             | HN post this sentiment over and over, but then never link
             | to their own personal information.
             | 
             | Why not share, if it's so harmless? Isn't that the point
             | you're trying to make?
        
               | plugin-baby wrote:
               | Maybe they don't want their identity and their opinions
               | to be linked.
        
               | capableweb wrote:
               | I'm not Swedish, but a friend of mine showed me a website
               | for it. Here is a random example of a person who lives in
               | Taby, Sweden:
               | 
               | https://www.ratsit.se/19290708-Bertil_Thomas_Andersson_Ta
               | by/...
               | 
               | > Bertil Thomas Andersson - 1929-07-08 (93 years old) -
               | Address: Lyktgrand 2 lgh 1706, 183 36 Taby, phone number
               | 070-208 35 86
               | 
               | The website also adds information about income:
               | 
               | > (machine translation) In Taby, Bertil Thomas
               | Andersson's home municipality, there are 5218 income
               | millionaires. The proportion of people with payment notes
               | in his postcode 183 36 is 7.3% and the average income is
               | 295 679 SEK ($27,378) per year.
               | 
               | If the person runs any companies, that would be visible
               | as well.
               | 
               | All of this is public information, for each individual
               | and company in Sweden (except the ones that have
               | requested to not be visible, or are protected)
        
           | LtWorf wrote:
           | I think it's way more common in USA than in europe because
           | here you can't just phone a bank and open an account with
           | your tax agency code. Normally the first time you need to go
           | and show your id.
        
         | traceroute66 wrote:
         | > If we wanted to hammer out a quick and effective privacy
         | legislation, it would be: you need a demonstrable reason to ask
         | for someone's birthday
         | 
         | Not much help for the American cousins, but this already exists
         | throughout Europe and has done for years .... its called GDPR.
         | 
         | TL;DR : If it is or it is tied to PII (personally identifiable
         | information) you have to:                    (a) Justify
         | collecting it in the first place          (b) Justify storing
         | it, and storing it no longer than necessary          (c) Obey
         | with the "right to be forgotten" and delete it on request
        
           | ItsTooMuch wrote:
           | You somehow forgot to mention that most (probably all) EU
           | countries have laws that require you to know the birthdays of
           | your customers - that of course overrides GDPR, or more
           | precisely, the law is the reason to store the information so
           | there's no need to find other reasons.
           | 
           | Also, don't forget that these laws also have requirements on
           | you keeping logs, most of the time 3, 5 or more years. So
           | yeah you have to obey a deletion request when that time is
           | up, not "on request" - that would be illegal in most cases.
           | 
           | In many EU countries birthdate (and more) is public
           | information, btw - my own birthdate is made public by the
           | state itself (on the business registry website), together
           | with my name and residence address. Same for any owner of
           | real estate - be it land, house or unit - names, residence
           | addresses and birthdates are publicly available in the online
           | cadastre.
        
           | Nextgrid wrote:
           | The GDPR has a massive enforcement problem though, so in
           | practice, you have little recourse if a company breaches it
           | and misuses your personal information.
        
         | tbihl wrote:
         | I don't spend much of my time worrying about this, but if you
         | do:
         | 
         | Put credit freezes on yourself and maintain them that way as
         | the default. This cuts your attack surface significantly. Plant
         | your flag with any large government entities that are used for
         | collecting benefits (IRS, your state's stuff, etc.)
         | 
         | Do I love the state of affairs? No, but if it were something I
         | worried about, I'd at least make myself a hard target.
        
         | encryptluks2 wrote:
         | There needs to be better laws protecting individuals that use
         | aliases and what not for registration. Technically, there are
         | certain federal laws that can make doing so illegal in certain
         | circumstances.. while not enforced at a high rate, I do see
         | them occasionally being applied unfairly and don't like knowing
         | that by using aliases and what not that I could be opening
         | myself to criminal prosecutions.
        
       | Mandatum wrote:
       | Having reported a critical bounty, their incident response and
       | disclosure process is a complete shitshow. Absolute mess of a
       | company.
        
       | hedora wrote:
       | I love how they don't say how big the breach was, what systems
       | were affected, or how to opt-out of them stealing your personal
       | information and storing it on poorly secured servers:
       | 
       | > _Why does Samsung have my data?_
       | 
       | > _We collect information necessary to help deliver the best
       | experience possible with our products and services. We know how
       | important privacy is to our customers, and we provide information
       | about how we 're planning to use customer data, in strict
       | compliance with relevant privacy laws. You may visit the U.S.
       | Privacy Policy section of our website for more details on how we
       | may obtain data and for what purposes:
       | https://www.samsung.com/us/account/privacy-policy/._
        
         | autoexec wrote:
         | > We collect information necessary to help deliver the best
         | experience possible with our products and services.
         | 
         | When I got my first Samsung phone, it came with Samsung's
         | keyboard installed. I looked at the privacy policy and saw that
         | it was sending every single keypress to some third party whose
         | privacy policy said it was used for market research and to
         | guess at things like the education level and intelligence of
         | the user. Who needs malware when Samsung ships keyloggers. I
         | uninstalled it then did the same with every other Samsung app I
         | could. They obviously don't care at all about people's privacy.
         | On the plus side, I found some great apps that way like simple
         | gallery pro and markor.
        
         | notsapiensatall wrote:
         | From that privacy policy:
         | 
         | > Information we may collect automatically includes information
         | about
         | 
         | >* your device, including MAC address, IP address, log
         | information, device model, hardware model, IMEI number, serial
         | number, subscription information, device settings, connections
         | to other devices, mobile network operator, web browser
         | characteristics, app usage information, sales code, access
         | code, current software version, MNC, subscription information,
         | and randomized, non-persistent and resettable device
         | identifiers, such as Personalized Service ID (or PSID), and
         | advertising IDs, including Google Ad ID;
         | 
         | >* your use of the Services, including clickstream data, your
         | interactions with the Services (such as the web pages you
         | visit, search terms, and the apps, services and features you
         | use, download, or purchase), the pages that lead or refer you
         | to the Services, how you use the Services, and dates and times
         | of use of the Services; and
         | 
         | >* your use of third-party websites, apps and features that are
         | connected to certain Services.
         | 
         | So essentially, they're saying that they can log everything
         | that you do on your device.
        
           | dietr1ch wrote:
           | I don't even know why I got an email from them to my work
           | email. AFAIK I've never used a samsung device at work and I
           | have dedicated work devices.
        
       | rvz wrote:
       | "We value your privacy" is just a buzzword for these companies.
        
         | TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote:
         | Translation: "We value your privacy higher than we value you,
         | because we get to sell it to anyone for top dollar."
        
       | A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote:
       | This ship kinda sailed after Equifax data breach, but I wish we
       | could make data a real liability ( as in, if you store it, you
       | are on an actual legal hook for it ). 2017 settlement[1] was
       | largely a joke if not an insult to all the affected individuals.
       | The company still operates, no one went to jail and the company
       | got a hard cap on potential claim from affected people.
       | 
       | I don't know what the solution is exactly though ( I mean how to
       | effect actual change instead of posting in this forum ).
       | 
       | [1]https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/refunds/equifax-data-
       | breach-...
        
         | bee_rider wrote:
         | I guess eventually everybody's data will be leaked (are we
         | there yet?) and companies that would like to make loans will
         | have to come up with some other way of verifying their
         | customers.
         | 
         | The credit system is a scam anyway. Oh wow thanks Equifax, you
         | think I should be allowed to go up to my eyeballs in debt. What
         | an honor, I'm flattered.
        
       | hijohnnylin wrote:
       | Just got the email from Samsung saying I was part of the breach.
       | At the end of this (extremely long and excuse-ridden) email they
       | inform me that I'm entitled to a free credit check every year
       | from credit reporting agencies.
       | 
       | Can't we just fast forward to the part where they send me a $5
       | check for the class action settlement? They'd save a ton on legal
       | fees.
        
         | WaitWaitWha wrote:
         | I got the same.
         | 
         | I find it insulting to offer a credit check. If I wanted, I
         | would get 20 credit checks just this year. Credit checks are
         | also (mostly) free. Everyone and their mother offers them.
         | 
         | Why would that do me any good for checking? How does it
         | remediate or mitigate the loss I have?
        
           | autoexec wrote:
           | > Everyone and their mother offers them.
           | 
           | I'm pretty sure the US government offers them for free, and
           | anyone else doing it "for free" is only using at a means to
           | collect and sell your personal information. Using some random
           | site like getmemyfreecreditcheck.com or whatever is pretty
           | much asking for your privacy to be violated.
        
         | baldeagle wrote:
         | They are offering the free credit check provided by Uncle Sam-
         | not even footing the bill for one of their own
        
       | mrtweetyhack wrote:
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | AdmiralAsshat wrote:
       | I feel stupid for ever giving Samsung this much info to begin
       | with. But oh, they had such compelling _reasons_ to do it. Like
       | trading in my old phone to get a deep discount on a new one
       | directly from Samsung, and bypassing all the carrier bullshit! Or
       | locking down all of my devices, so that someone who steals my
       | phone can 't factory reset it without supplying my Samsung
       | account credentials!
        
         | NoboruWataya wrote:
         | When I saw this thread I went and checked my inbox to see if I
         | had received an email telling me I was caught by this breach. I
         | haven't, but what I do have are like five emails from my
         | carrier in the last two weeks desperately trying to get me to
         | upgrade to the latest Samsung phone.
         | 
         | I have a Samsung from three years ago. I don't want to upgrade
         | or replace it until it actually breaks, as constantly upgrading
         | phones strikes me as wasteful. However, when I see this shit as
         | well as all the Samsung apps they don't let you delete or
         | disable from your phone, I am very tempted to just splash out
         | on a Pixel to install GrapheneOS.
        
       | morsch wrote:
       | I would like to delete my Samsung account (which I was forced to
       | create to access some feature of my phone). But I can't even
       | access my profile because I'd need to accept some new user
       | agreement which I won't do. I guess I could try sending them a
       | letter.
        
       | aborsy wrote:
       | How is it that security is a top priority when the company can't
       | correctly implement basic encryption?
       | 
       | Samsung shipped so many millions of phones with insecure
       | encryption:
       | 
       | https://eprint.iacr.org/2022/208.pdf
        
       | topicseed wrote:
       | > may have affected information such as name, contact and
       | demographic information, date of birth, and product registration
       | information.
       | 
       | What falls under "product registration information"?
        
       | derwiki wrote:
       | California residents can request their data to be deleted here:
       | 
       | https://www.samsung.com/us/privacy/ccpa/
       | 
       | I was surprised I even had a Samsung account so I can't think of
       | any reason to keep one after this.
        
         | ev1 wrote:
         | I received this email to a CCPA "removed" email address.
        
       | WaitWaitWha wrote:
       | I requested to have all my info deleted by them. Let's see how
       | long it takes.
       | 
       | The email for my request is towards the bottom of this page:
       | https://www.samsung.com/us/support/securityresponsecenter/
       | 
       | I am aware this does not fix the problem of the already stolen
       | data, but it might make the data collection cost/benefit analysis
       | in favor of discarding collection all-together. Maybe. Let me
       | dream, would you?
        
       | shultays wrote:
       | Samsung stores demographic information because why not. I wonder
       | how much information is that
        
       | artificialLimbs wrote:
       | "...and have engaged a leading outside cybersecurity firm and are
       | coordinating with law enforcement."
       | 
       | Sounds like "we got ransomeware'd".
        
         | theteapot wrote:
         | The whole paragraph suggests it more strongly. Specifically why
         | would you say "affected" rather than exposed / accessed?:
         | 
         | > FAQ: Can you tell us more about what specifically happened?
         | In late July 2022, an unauthorized third party acquired
         | information from some of Samsung's U.S. systems. On or around
         | August 4, 2022, we determined through our ongoing investigation
         | that personal information of certain customers was affected. We
         | have taken action to secure the affected systems, and have
         | engaged a leading outside cybersecurity firm and are
         | coordinating with law enforcement.
        
       | drcongo wrote:
       | Blows my mind that anyone would buy a Samsung product given their
       | data collection addiction.
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | > may have affected information such as name, contact and
       | demographic information, date of birth, and product registration
       | information.
       | 
       | No. No matter how safe of how carefully you take your security, a
       | vendor should NOT keep these pieces of my private information
       | with them.
        
         | icedchai wrote:
         | Most of that info is already public and easily searchable.
         | There are data brokers that gather public records (like real
         | estate) and resell them to marketers, sales people, other data
         | brokers, etc. It's an enormous business. Privacy is, sadly, an
         | illusion.
        
         | ProAm wrote:
         | Dont give it to them then,
        
           | marcodiego wrote:
           | Yes. But it is becoming increasingly difficult with "smart"
           | or "connected" devices. Sometimes you have to fill forms to
           | access services or agree with EULA's with abusive terms. If
           | you disagree with the terms, you become ostracized because
           | everybody else from your circles accepted those terms and
           | nobody is using your open-source/decentralized/federated
           | network or services.
           | 
           | You can't expect common people to be reasonable and
           | spontaneously boycott abusive vendors. Most people are not
           | educated enough for that. Among those who are, most don't
           | care.
           | 
           | We need laws to prevent this kind of abuse so vendors can't
           | take advantage of people who are willing to share such
           | information even if they are knowledgeable about its
           | implications.
        
             | abawany wrote:
             | I wonder if the GP is saying that you don't necessarily
             | have to provide your real dob etc. to vendors that coerce
             | you in this manner. I mean, don't you want to imagine a
             | world in which you were born on Feb-29 of some suitable
             | leap year?
        
             | ProAm wrote:
             | We don't need laws just dont buy their products. You're
             | asking a business to change it's business practices because
             | you don't like them. Free market.
        
             | notsapiensatall wrote:
             | My favorite suggestion for a nationwide privacy law is
             | simple:
             | 
             | Clarify that all EULAs are null and void unless they have
             | been reviewed with counsel, signed, and notarized to ensure
             | the user understands what they are agreeing to.
             | 
             | If the companies want to treat them like contracts, so
             | should the other party. Otherwise, it all stinks of duress.
        
       | ncphil wrote:
       | Amateurs. Samsung's identity system was f*ed even before this.
       | Only Lenovo/Motorola were worse. _Of course_ they got hacked:
       | they were a big fat (in a purely metaphorical sense), stupid,
       | target. The entire executive suite and board should be swept out
       | and replaced. But that won't happen because those few have a lock
       | on the majority of shares by either owning them outright or being
       | golf partners with the like-minded idiot rest. Their main focus
       | now, as always, is to deflect blame and preserve their positions.
       | Does not inspire confidence in the future of anything. No wonder
       | they can't get the simple things right, like providing clean
       | water to Flint or Jackson. The clowns have taken over the bus and
       | are driving it right over a cliff.
        
       | jiggawatts wrote:
       | Just here to remind everyone that Samsung televisions take
       | screenshots at regular intervals of what you watch and sends this
       | to be stored with the same level of "security".
        
         | autoexec wrote:
         | Roku does this too.
         | 
         | > "Roughly twice per second, a Roku TV captures video
         | "snapshots" in 4K resolution. These snapshots are scanned
         | through a database of content and ads, which allows the
         | exposure to be matched to what is airing. For example, if a
         | streamer is watching an NFL football game and sees an ad for a
         | hard seltzer, Roku's ACR will know that the ad has appeared on
         | the TV being watched at that time. In this way, the content on
         | screen is automatically recognized, as the technology's name
         | indicates. The data then is paired with user profile data to
         | link the account watching with the content they're watching."
         | (https://advertising.roku.com/resources/blog/insights-
         | analysi...!)
        
       | wqeraz wrote:
       | Was this related to the Lapsus$ incident, or something else?
        
       | xeromal wrote:
       | Just got this email. I love how they don't even try to pay you
       | off. They just show you where to get your free credit report
       | where if you've already accessed it, you're screwed.
        
         | ternaryoperator wrote:
         | Came here to say this. The least they could have done is
         | provide you with a free credit report, regardless of whether
         | you previously used your freebie.
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | I was just considering using an old iPhone instead of an S21.
       | Decision made.
        
       | parasti wrote:
       | Oh, Samsung. I just went through the most insane account recovery
       | process I've ever seen. Tried to register a Samsung account, but
       | my email was already taken. Guess I must have had an account at
       | some point. If you forget your password, you have to provide your
       | name and date of birth to reset it. If you fail to enter the
       | correct details many times, which I somehow did, eventually they
       | will send you the recovery email anyway. When I received it, it
       | was in a language I'd never seen. Then I discovered that it was
       | actually somebody else's account from Indonesia that was using my
       | email address without me ever knowing. So I now have a Samsung
       | account that was someone else's but it was using my email so it
       | was really mine?
        
         | ethbr0 wrote:
         | I've got a fairly common Gmail address as my primary.
         | 
         | I get all kinds of account sign-ups, and also home purchase
         | paperwork and sheriff's office employment offers, from multiple
         | states.
         | 
         | I used to feel bad, and spent a couple years trying to get in
         | contact and correct whoever used my email.
         | 
         | Now? Fuck em. If you use my email, it's my account. I just
         | deleted "my" Roku account and unsubscribed to the services
         | attached to it (required to delete an account).
         | 
         | Me deleting "your" account is the least-abusive thing I could
         | do if you sign up with my email address.
        
           | aliqot wrote:
           | >Now? Fuck em. If you use my email, it's my account. I just
           | deleted "my" Roku account and unsubscribed to the services
           | attached to it (required to delete an account).
           | 
           | >Me deleting "your" account is the least-abusive thing I
           | could do if you sign up with my email address.
           | 
           | This is illegal, CFAA of 1996.
           | 
           | Them signing up with your email is a mistake, you
           | deliberately modifying data that isn't your own because of
           | that is illegal.
        
             | randerson wrote:
             | What is the _correct_ course of action one should take,
             | e.g. if OP now wants to sign up for a Roku account with
             | their own address and now can 't?
        
               | 8note wrote:
               | Make a different address?
               | 
               | Mind you, if Roku doesn't want to do business with you,
               | there's no correct way to trick them into it
        
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             | galangalalgol wrote:
             | Signing up for services using other people's email? Or
             | canceling services attached to your iwn email?
        
             | derwiki wrote:
             | It wouldn't also fall under CFAA to fraudulently sign up
             | with the wrong email?
        
       | tester756 wrote:
       | >At Samsung, security is a top priority.
       | 
       | Every company, always.
        
         | zac23or wrote:
         | > At Firefighters, firefighting is our top priority. We
         | recently discovered that our base of operations caught fire
         | and, as the fire hydrants and fire extinguishers did not work,
         | it was incinerated.
         | 
         | An absurd, insane message.
        
         | fsociety wrote:
         | The iconic "yes we do have a security department" doublespeak.
        
           | cProdigy wrote:
           | hmmm
        
         | dreamcompiler wrote:
         | At Samsung, like at every other company, perception management
         | is a top priority. And we will never understand why managing
         | perceptions while ignoring reality always fails.
        
       | lizardactivist wrote:
       | Other companies keep the lid on when it happens to them. Samsung
       | has the decency to inform you quickly and clearly, gotta give
       | them that.
        
         | fartcannon wrote:
         | No, I won't give them anything. They don't need to take this
         | information. They shouldn't have it. I think they and everyone
         | else collecting data should be held far more accountable than
         | they are for the damage they do when that data leaks.
        
       | vardump wrote:
       | Luckily I gave all fake information to Samsung. Because I
       | expected this to happen.
        
         | hayst4ck wrote:
         | From a post above:
         | 
         | > your device, including MAC address, IP address, log
         | information, device model, hardware model, IMEI number, serial
         | number, subscription information, device settings, connections
         | to other devices, mobile network operator, web browser
         | characteristics, app usage information, sales code, access
         | code, current software version, MNC, subscription information,
         | and randomized, non-persistent and resettable device
         | identifiers, such as Personalized Service ID (or PSID), and
         | advertising IDs, including Google Ad ID;
         | 
         | Regardless of how fake you think the information you gave them
         | is, if you use your phone, there is more than enough
         | information to attain a real identity and connect that to other
         | identities.
         | 
         | IMEI alone will uniquely identify your device, and therefore
         | you, and it will be connected to a phone company that is
         | probably willing to sell your data.
         | 
         | https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/03/t-mobile-will-te...
        
           | vardump wrote:
           | I wonder what kind of information they got out of my TV.
           | Well, obviously at least IP address.
           | 
           | Maybe some viewing habits data. In which case they'll
           | probably conclude I mostly like cartoons about ponies and
           | talking, people rescuing dogs...
        
             | hayst4ck wrote:
             | TV's can probably scan your local network which means at
             | the very minimum getting MAC addresses which can tell you
             | the manufacturer and maybe more, of various devices on your
             | network.
        
               | vardump wrote:
               | It can do that all it wants, won't be able to see any
               | other devices on my network.
               | 
               | Although it could scan for nearby wifi access points.
               | Maybe also for bluetooth devices. It also got a
               | microphone...
               | 
               | Business idea: A service to strip microphones and
               | antennas out of brand new TVs?
        
               | hayst4ck wrote:
               | There is no winning via tech, only regulation.
               | 
               | Supposedly amazon set up an AWS service to leverage 5G
               | (https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/) allowing
               | significantly more devices. The idea being that our
               | fridges, TVs and other household devices could talk
               | directly to a private service without having to be
               | subject to your in home firewalls/DNS blocking/etc.
        
       | SoftTalker wrote:
       | Coincidentally (?) I got an unsolicited text message yesterday
       | with my "Samsung account verification code."
        
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