[HN Gopher] 2 Weeks Notice Checklist
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       2 Weeks Notice Checklist
        
       Author : groundcoffee
       Score  : 45 points
       Date   : 2022-09-04 19:59 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (notice.fyi)
 (TXT) w3m dump (notice.fyi)
        
       | bot41 wrote:
       | 2 weeks? I have to give 3 months notice to my job
        
         | cpsns wrote:
         | Two weeks is typical for most jobs in North America.
        
           | modeless wrote:
           | And it's not required, it's a courtesy. In most cases you can
           | quit on the spot if you really feel like it.
        
         | delgaudm wrote:
         | How much notice do they have to give you when they're letting
         | you go?
        
       | social_quotient wrote:
       | I'd love to see a checklist but the other side of the table. When
       | a developer is going to leave and you have two weeks. What's the
       | checklist for handoff on a granular prioritized level. Do you
       | start from front end and work backwards or from db model and go
       | forward?
       | 
       | The use case is I run an agency and we tend to get hired when an
       | internal resource is leaving and we need to take over a big fat
       | codebase we have never seen. The guy running is is leaving in 2
       | weeks. Where do we start... a checklist like this could be
       | awesome
        
       | cratermoon wrote:
       | This is strictly about things a person needs to do for their own
       | financial and employment future after leaving. There's nothing
       | here about handing off the job responsibilities and knowledge to
       | colleagues, for example.
        
         | groundcoffee wrote:
         | Interesting! Handing off job responsibilities is definitely an
         | important aspect, especially for more tenured employees.
        
         | datalopers wrote:
         | Unless there's additional pay for doing so, quite literally not
         | my problem. A good manager from day one of a new hire should be
         | ensuring a smooth hand-off is already prepared in the event of
         | separation for any reason.
        
           | NeoTar wrote:
           | Arguably, during your last two weeks that _is_ your job - the
           | entirety of your job. So not additional pay, but your final
           | pay check is for doing just that.
        
             | [deleted]
        
           | kube-system wrote:
           | The entire point of giving two weeks notice is a courtesy to
           | your employer to facilitate a smooth transition period.
           | 
           | If you DGAF about that, you might as well give no notice.
        
             | datalopers wrote:
             | Employers rarely give notice when terminating an employee.
        
               | kube-system wrote:
               | Of course not. Voluntary notice periods never have been
               | made out of fairness, it is and always was about self-
               | interest.
               | 
               | Employees give two weeks to be nice and not burn bridges
               | with people on their team.
               | 
               | Employees who are angry at their employers may often give
               | no notice at all.
               | 
               | Employers don't give notice in layoffs because
               | disgruntled employees are not productive and are a
               | liability.
               | 
               | Employers don't give notice in terminations because they
               | don't _want_ them working for two more weeks.
        
         | sys_64738 wrote:
         | It's called a transition plan and your manager should work that
         | out with you during your notice period. Who will pick up your
         | responsibilities? Accept no new work. Don't attend regular
         | meetings. Don't do overtime. Disengage from instant message
         | such as Teams or Slack. Do everything via email CC'ing your
         | manager. Start to work from home during your notice period.
         | Your single focus is hand off and get out ASAP.
        
       | konschubert wrote:
       | Losing your health care if you quit a job is pretty dystopian.
       | 
       | There are lots of things wrong with Europe, but this isn't one of
       | them .
        
         | cammikebrown wrote:
         | That's IF your job gave you healthcare, and if it was any good,
         | and you have to pay anyway a lot of the time. (And most jobs
         | don't pay for dental or healthcare)
        
           | hollywood_court wrote:
           | Yep. It's a big "if." I took my first full time job at age 16
           | and I'll be 41 in December.
           | 
           | During that time I've had over a dozen employers and only one
           | offered health insurance. And it was so expensive that almost
           | no one, myself included, signed up for it.
           | 
           | The only reason my wife works is because of the healthcare
           | and benefits given to her by being a state employee. The
           | money she earns is fairly insignificant relative to our other
           | income, but the benefits make it worth it.
        
         | kube-system wrote:
         | Private health insurance employer benefit plans exist in
         | Europe.
        
           | chrismeller wrote:
        
           | Someone1234 wrote:
           | Which is often supplemental insurance (akin to Medicare
           | Advantage in the US). If you lose that your cancer or
           | fertility treatment doesn't suddenly stop, or you won't go
           | bankrupt due to an unexpected medical problem.
           | 
           | People, even in the US, often forget that the US has European
           | style healthcare coverage it is just restricted to those
           | above the age of 65. People over the age of 65 also make up
           | the largest voting block, and politicians in the US often
           | hurt younger demographics to benefit the retirees as a direct
           | result.
        
         | _trackno5 wrote:
         | Yeah it sucks. But I guess in Europe we compensate with
         | irrational house prices that'll pretty much keep a generation
         | from ever owning their own home, always at the mercy of a
         | landlord
        
           | linux2647 wrote:
           | We're heading that direction in the US
        
         | chrismeller wrote:
         | Something Americans forget when talking about "Europe" is that
         | it consists of different countries with different rules.
         | Outside big ones like the UK and Germany a LOT of them also
         | link your employment and membership in the social insurance
         | fund.
         | 
         | In Estonia, for instance, your 20% social tax pays for the
         | healthcare system. If you get laid off of course there are
         | provisions along with your unemployment to include you, but
         | otherwise no job = no insurance.
        
       | vivegi wrote:
       | _(In jurisdictions where permitted; If you signed a non-compete
       | upon joining or anytime during service)_ Keep a copy of your Non-
       | compete agreement (and be aware of any restrictions around
       | companies, clients, industries that are barred and the duration
       | for which they are barred)
        
         | kube-system wrote:
         | True, but you should have probably sorted out you plan with
         | your non-compete even before you lined up your next job.
        
       | joeframbach wrote:
       | Can you replace the check marks with empty boxes so I can, you
       | know, check the list?
        
       | dtx1 wrote:
       | Feels like 90% of this is only necessary if you live in a country
       | with horrible insurance practices. If you life in a civilized
       | country with sane health insurance coverage you wouldn't need to
       | worry about almost any of this.
        
         | martin_a wrote:
         | Yes, totally.
         | 
         | I was expecting to find a solid list about "hand over accounts"
         | or "change mail address" but it was all about being able to see
         | a dentist if necessary.
        
       | smcleod wrote:
       | I'm assuming this is focused on the USA specifically?
       | 
       | In Australia and New Zealand most engineering jobs are 4 weeks
       | notice if you've worked there at least a year or two.
       | 
       | I've heard that non-compete clauses don't really hold up here
       | either (not that I've even seen one either).
       | 
       | Not sure what an "ESSP" is?
        
         | linux2647 wrote:
         | An ESPP is a stock purchasing program that allows employees to
         | buy company stock at a discount
        
         | gizmo385 wrote:
         | "ESPP" is an Employee Stock Purchase Plan and is a program that
         | allows employees to purchase company stock, usually at a
         | guaranteed discount
        
         | endtime wrote:
         | ESPP is an employee share purchasing plan, which is a way to
         | commit to buying shares in the company at a discounted rate
         | over time. My employer has an attractive plan that is pretty
         | much free money with extremely limited downside risk; there's a
         | federally-imposed $25k/year cap, which also limits the upside,
         | but it's well worth a couple clicks.
        
         | kube-system wrote:
         | Yes, it's US centric, but the US does not require two weeks
         | notice. It is a voluntary courtesy. Some people give more or
         | less depending on the circumstances. Employment in the US is
         | largely at-will, and can be terminated by either party at any
         | time.
        
           | wahnfrieden wrote:
           | How did we end up with a two weeks honor system that is only
           | expected from one side?
        
             | kortilla wrote:
             | Severance packages are common in tech for layoffs. That is
             | effectively many weeks notice, you just don't have to work
             | during them which is nicer.
             | 
             | If you're being fired for underperforming, that's usually
             | many weeks in the making and you're given many written
             | notices (HR departments like really clear paper trails).
             | 
             | The only times I hear of where termination is sudden
             | without notice or compensation is when people get fired for
             | something egregious or the company literally ran out of
             | money (startups can be rough).
             | 
             | Caveat: all of the above applies to the tech industry. I
             | understand it can be much worse for employees in other
             | industries.
        
               | 13of40 wrote:
               | One of my previous companies (in the US) had a policy of
               | escorting you to the door immediately if you told them
               | you were leaving for a competitor. In practice, we
               | usually took them out to lunch, had a laugh about it, and
               | all but one of us came back to the office.
        
             | kube-system wrote:
             | Because voluntarily departures are generally cordial.
             | 
             | There is effectively no overlap between severely
             | disgruntled employees and those who give their employer a
             | courteous heads up about their departure. Whereas
             | involuntary termination is never a happy circumstance.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | sundaeofshock wrote:
             | Simple power dynamics. The employee has a lot more to loose
             | than the employer a when a person's employment ends.
        
         | tialaramex wrote:
         | I think the minimum term I've had in the last maybe 20 years
         | (in the UK) was 90 days.
        
           | sio8ohPi wrote:
           | By convention or by contract? Do new employers generally
           | accept that new hires won't be available to start for 90
           | days, or does one only start the job search after giving
           | notice to your current employer?
        
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