[HN Gopher] Designing a coherent set of keyboard shortcuts
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Designing a coherent set of keyboard shortcuts
Author : tkainrad
Score : 25 points
Date : 2022-09-04 08:11 UTC (1 days ago)
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| chrsig wrote:
| forget coherent, i want consistent.
|
| using a mac for work and a windows machine for personal use
| messes with me. add in editors having inconsistent emacs
| keybindings, and some macos apps respecting some subset of emacs
| keybindings while others don't...and then a kinesis advantage to
| make some of the solutions non-viable
| orthoxerox wrote:
| Even on Windows alone some shortcuts are terribly inconsistent.
|
| Redo (Ctrl-Y or Ctrl-Shift-Z)
|
| Replace (Ctrl-H, Ctrl-R or Ctrl-Shift-F)
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| Save As (F12 or Ctrl-Alt-S)
|
| "Move current paragraph up" is inconsistent even between
| Microsoft's own programs: Alt-Shift-Up in Word, Alt-Up in VS
| Code and Visual Studio. Notepad++ adds to the pain with Ctrl-
| Shift-Up.
|
| Ctrl-F doesn't open a Find dialog box in Outlook, I could go
| on.
| BitwiseFool wrote:
| >"Ctrl-F doesn't open a Find dialog box in Outlook, I could
| go on."
|
| You would think, at some point, they would add this in as an
| optional feature. I wonder how many people submit this as a
| piece of feedback.
| R0b0t1 wrote:
| The first step of consistency is determining and agreeing on
| what you want the computer to do. I don't see this happening,
| and it kind of removes the point of having multiple DEs, etc,
| for experimentation. Though perhaps after investigating in this
| direction, one might understand how users want to interact with
| the system key bindings, if at all, and be able to break down
| user interaction into digestible chunks.
|
| Everyone has heard (or... most people) about a lot of the
| clever Apple shortcuts, but they are intensely not
| discoverable. People still need to go out of their way to learn
| them. It's just it's Apple, so no one cares.
| denimnerd42 wrote:
| One reason I've developed such a dependency on mousing and not
| short cuts. Now it's just windows and macos but before it was
| windows, macos, unity, and gnome 3. Using the mouse is sane.
| 2-4 sets of shortcuts is not.
| comfypotato wrote:
| As a long time Windows user who switched to a Mac at work at
| one point, I was pleasantly surprised by the extent to which I
| was able to make the Mac conform to my muscle memory. If I
| remember correctly, I basically swapped the software mapping
| command and control. On top of this, I had to finagle with a
| system shortcut or two. In the end, everything just worked as
| if it was a Windows machine.
|
| Concerning Emacs, I've found that a combination of QMK and AHK
| allow me to make everything work more or less like Emacs.
| Ultimately I think I might be lucky to have a decent memory for
| this sort of thing, but I've found that I can use the keyboard
| for everything everywhere.
| jph wrote:
| Coherent and consistent keyboard shortcuts can be incredibly
| helpful. We spent a ton of time on the choices for GitAlias
| https://github.com/gitalias/gitalias
|
| I fully agree with the article saying "your users might not even
| agree on what constitutes a typical workflow". And it's painful
| to cut shortcuts that people like for their workflows, but that
| don't cohere well, or can't be consistent.
| btrettel wrote:
| On the subject of consistent keyboard shortcuts, does anyone here
| have a copy of the complete Common User Access documents? What I
| can find online (linked to from Wikipedia below) is incomplete.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access
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| Alternatively, I'm also interested in a comprehensive listing of
| Common User Access keyboard shortcuts. Without the original
| documents themselves, I'm not sure how comprehensive (or
| accurate) what I'm seeing online is.
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