[HN Gopher] Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster "RRR"
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       Visual effects for the Indian blockbuster "RRR"
        
       Author : rrampage
       Score  : 569 points
       Date   : 2022-09-10 13:30 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | 29athrowaway wrote:
       | They will never surpass the most excellent Indian production
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8OJB5qLZ6o
        
       | andsoitis wrote:
       | Ah, and I see you can watch RRR on Netflix.
        
         | vipa123 wrote:
         | Is it any good?
        
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           | efficax wrote:
           | It's completely over the top, with absurd action sequences,
           | fantastical characters, dance numbers, melodrama and
           | heartbreak, one sided caricatures of evil Englishmen, and
           | lots and lots of fun. It's excessive in every way, down it's
           | more than 3 hour runtime. It's a blast!
        
           | that_girl wrote:
           | Not much different from over the top movies by Tom Cruise.
        
             | brink wrote:
             | I love those.
        
           | spaceman_2020 wrote:
           | Its very well made for its genre.
           | 
           | I personally found 90% of the movie to be great, but was let
           | down by the climax. Went too hard on the CGI.
        
           | doodlebugging wrote:
           | I thoroughly enjoyed watching this movie and found myself
           | grinning ear to ear when it was done as I was describing it
           | to my wife. She had been working while I watched so we plan
           | to cue it up again and see it together.
           | 
           | I felt totally entertained at the conclusion. I even watched
           | the credits roll.
           | 
           | Many of the CGI effects were pretty obvious but it made the
           | movie more watchable in my opinion. The blending of real
           | action with fake enhanced the ability to tell the story. It
           | was great.
           | 
           | Kudos to all involved in this epic!
        
           | hannofcart wrote:
           | Depends on who's asking and what they're looking for.
           | 
           | Let's just say that nuance/subtlety is not a high priority of
           | this genre of film. :)
        
           | pen2l wrote:
           | I liked it. It's like if you mix Snatch with Inglorious
           | Bastards and then made it over-the-top cheesy.
           | 
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           | 
           | I'm nothing short of stunned at the pace with which Blender
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           | dethrone Houdini.
        
           | silisili wrote:
           | I think it's going to depend on what kind of movies you like.
           | 
           | I went in thinking it was going to be some nonstop action
           | flick, and didn't like it at all. It seemed like an overly
           | long musical to me, which I've never been a fan of.
           | 
           | My wife on the other hand thought it was beautiful and loved
           | it.
           | 
           | YMMV.
        
           | dominotw wrote:
           | yes if you have kids below 7 yrs.
        
             | robin_reala wrote:
             | I really wouldn't show it to kids below 12; there's some
             | pretty horrific torture scenes in it.
        
           | dagmx wrote:
           | It's highly enjoyable though it is also very nationalist
           | propaganda in parts, which foreigners won't pick up on. For
           | the most part it never becomes an issue because the brunt of
           | the movie is fighting colonialism and therefore quite
           | appropriate and incredibly good. The end credit scene is the
           | only part that I'd consider problematic from a messaging
           | standpoint as it takes a hard line on who they celebrate and
           | isn't subtle about the directors political allegiances.
           | 
           | Anyway would really recommend watching it. It's a wild ride,
           | and incredibly well done. If you're not from India, you can
           | largely ignore the issues with internal politics
           | 
           | Edit: Since people are asking for links about the politics...
           | 
           | https://www.vox.com/23220275/rrr-netflix-tollywood-
           | hindutva-...
           | 
           | https://slate.com/culture/2022/06/rrr-review-indian-
           | blockbus...
           | 
           | Essentially it's holding up some of the more radical freedom
           | fighters and downplaying the more pacifist and equitable ones
           | which reflects the directors political stance
        
             | hermitcrab wrote:
             | I did wonder about the Indian politics in the film. I did
             | pick up a few bits here and there, but probably missed a
             | lot. Care to say a bit more about that? If not, I
             | understand.
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | I updated my post above with links of why many consider
               | it nationalist, but I can elaborate more if you want.
               | Just let me know.
               | 
               | It's subtle but it's in the same vein of how many
               | military and cop films push messaging
        
             | bergenty wrote:
             | What are you talking about? The part where they refer to
             | Indian freedom fighters? Because I thought they did a
             | really good job of highlighting a lot of them, not just
             | well known ones and across vast political spectrums. I mean
             | they had Bhagat Singh and Subhash Chandra Bose as well as
             | Shivaji and Mirabai.
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | That scene was good till you consider a few factors:
               | 
               | - Bose was allied with the Nazi's. I know it's debatable
               | whether the ends justify the means but he also held some
               | fairly hostile views that are being used again
               | 
               | - there were notable omissions of freedom fighters who
               | preached peace , but more importantly, those who were
               | against the division of Pakistan and India.
               | 
               | I shared a couple links above in an edit, but there's
               | definitely an messaging to align with the directors more
               | hardline views of modern Indian politics
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > Bose was allied with the Nazi's
               | 
               | A marriage of convenience like when Gandhi allied with
               | the Ali Brothers.
               | 
               | > there were notable omissions of freedom fighters who
               | preached peace
               | 
               | Three of them where Gandhians but OK.
               | 
               | > but more importantly, those who were against the
               | division of Pakistan and India.
               | 
               | Nobody in the Congress wanted partion to begin with. But
               | there was no leader against it when it became clear that
               | it was apparent. Who exactly do you have in mind?
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | Your entire comment is a "so what?"
               | 
               | You don't think it's suspect that major figures were
               | excluded from the list? And they just happen to be the
               | same major figures the right wing governments try and
               | move away from.
               | 
               | You don't think being allied with the Nazis and never
               | denouncing their views was an issue either?
               | 
               | the movie had a clear political agenda to it.
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > Your entire comment is a "so what?"
               | 
               | Yes. Because it's a fantasy movie. Reading complex
               | political messaging into it is rather silly.
               | 
               | > Your entire comment is a "so what?"
               | 
               | I don't think excluding Gandhi and Nehru from a cheesy
               | dance number is the end of the world.
               | 
               | > never denouncing their views
               | 
               | Again, read what the man had to say about the Nazis after
               | he left Germany. Also read about what Gandhi had to say
               | about Bose and what Bose had to say about Gandhi. We've
               | had an international airport named after him for decades.
               | Bose is not even remotely controversial in India.
               | 
               | > the movie had a clear political agenda to it.
               | 
               | But somehow that wasn't clear to overwhelming majority of
               | the audience who actually saw it.
        
               | bergenty wrote:
               | Who did they exclude from the list? I counted almost
               | everyone I can think of and more.
        
               | bergenty wrote:
               | Bose "aligned" with the Nazis so he could free the Indian
               | POWs captured by the Japanese which he then used to build
               | the Indian national army. Also, the Nazis were fighting
               | the British who in India were enemy number one. He wasn't
               | antisemitic or racist so his alignment is pretty
               | irrelevant.
        
             | v512 wrote:
             | > highly enjoyable Doubt.
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | What's there to doubt? I'm not speculating that it will
               | be enjoyable. I am making a statement that it was
               | enjoyable to me (and my friends, along with many many
               | others online who've raved about it)
               | 
               | if you don't find it enjoyable, that doesn't mean
               | doubting the veracity of my stated opinion. You may
               | however disagree
        
             | mikymoothrowa wrote:
             | Those articles reaffirm more the extreme political
             | mentality of vox and slate than any political leanings of
             | the director.
             | 
             | That these websites practically thrive on conjuring up
             | issues even where none exists should surprise no one.
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | How can you possibly seriously describe Vox as extreme?
               | Perhaps they're more liberally biased but "extreme"?
               | There's no world where that would be an accurate
               | description
        
               | pessimizer wrote:
               | Imagine thinking that about those boring-ass centrist
               | websites.
        
               | mikymoothrowa wrote:
               | imagine thinking these websites are centrist because you
               | have more ridiculous extremist websites on the left and
               | the right.
        
               | xmonkee wrote:
               | Vox is literally the definition of neolib trash. I don't
               | understand how you can call it far left. People on the
               | left don't actually mind the label, but don't call
               | shitlib stuff far left. The left is explicitly opposed to
               | neoliberalism. If you wanna read something actually on
               | the left: https://jacobin.com/
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | Vox is just cookoo. Jacobin on the other hand is full on
               | deranged.
        
             | random314 wrote:
             | +1 on that. I only watched the action sequences in the
             | movie as RRR is not the kind if movie I enjoy.
             | 
             | But the end of the movie, makes it quite clear that it is a
             | nod to right wing Hindu nationalism. The most pointed
             | example is the exclusion, in the end credits, of the 2
             | biggest icons of Indian liberation - Mahatma Gandhi and the
             | first prime minister Nehru( the British locked him up for
             | over a decade) who were secular liberals. Nehru happens to
             | be the great grandfather of the main opposition leader
             | Rahul Gandhi.
             | 
             | As the right wing Hindu pre independence movement largely
             | connived with the colonialists, the right wing government
             | today is focused on appropriating a select few independence
             | fighters and projecting them as right wing icons even
             | though they were liberals or socialists. 3 prominent
             | figures.
             | 
             | 1. Bhagat Singh - a socialist who is now projected as a
             | right wing icon and stripped of his Sikh beard
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagat_Singh
             | 
             | 2. Sardar Patel - Nehru and Gandhis colleague who had some
             | right wing sympathies, but actually banned RSS (Modi's
             | organization) following the assassination of Gandhi by RSS
             | workers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Unity
             | 
             | 3. Subhash Bose - A foolhardy military strategist who tried
             | to partner with the Nazis to fight the British. Eventually,
             | assisting the Japanese in Burma and helping them invade
             | India. Gandhi was extremely wary of Bose's plans.
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose
             | 
             | Towards the end, it projects the independence fight as a
             | largely Hindu fight against British and anoints upper caste
             | Rama as a leader of lower caste Bheem. At this point, it
             | seems that the exclusion of muslims, sikhs and some
             | Christians etc. From the script as freedom fighters seems
             | deliberate.
             | 
             | Bheem is a nod to lower caste icon bhimrao Ambedkar, who
             | converted from Hinduism to buddhism to escape caste
             | hierarchies. This could have been a positive inclusion in
             | the story, but it is flipped on its head when Bheem is
             | shown swearing fealty to upper caste Rama in the end. The
             | Ramayana itself, has a negative attitude towards lower
             | castes, which makes this highly improper.
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shambuka [1]
             | 
             | Moreover the choice of Rama is sensitive in the current
             | political situation in India as Rama is being used as a
             | tool to bully poor Muslims on the streets.
             | 
             | https://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+jai+shree+ram
             | 
             | [1] You will notice that Shambuka is noted as an
             | "interpolated" character in Ramayana. This almost certainly
             | true, but the Godliness of Rama as an avatar of Vishnu is
             | part of the same interpolation. The original smaller
             | Ramayana is simply the story of an "ideal king". This was
             | converted into a story of divinity by the interpolation of
             | Godliness, sexism and casteism(uttara and bala kanda) .
             | Wikipedia has been edited to clarify that Shambuka is a
             | later interpolation, while the article on Rama and Ramayana
             | simply forget to headline that the divinity of Rama is a
             | later interpolation. The interpolation makes complete sense
             | as the brahmins successfully solidified the caste system
             | and inserted casteist and sexist texts into several ancient
             | sanskrit texts to anoint the caste system with divine
             | status. There is a small ongoing movement to refer to the
             | current version of Hinduism as Brahminism.
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Brahminism
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > At this point, it seems that the exclusion of muslims,
               | sikhs and some Christians etc. From the script as freedom
               | fighters seems deliberate.
               | 
               | It's a fantasy based very loosely on two historical
               | characters. Bheem for the bulk of the movie pretends to
               | be a Muslim and is sheltered by a Muslim family that
               | knows his true identity. Claiming that this somehow
               | excludes non-Hindus is farcical.
               | 
               | > Bheem is a nod to lower caste icon bhimrao Ambedkar
               | 
               | Bheem is loosely based on Komaram Bheem:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komaram_Bheem and Ram is
               | loosely based on Alluri Sitaramaraju:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alluri_Sitarama_Raju
               | 
               | You are ignorant of even the basic premise of the movie.
               | But hey, don't let that stop you from theorising grand
               | conspiracies.
        
               | random314 wrote:
               | That Ram can map to Alluri, but the mapping to Lord Rama
               | is absolutely loud and vociferous.
               | 
               | I could be mistaken about the mapping of Bheem, but given
               | that Komaram Bheem is also lower caste, my meta point
               | stands virtually unchanged. And that's just one point
               | amongst the 10 I have made with references.
               | 
               | Moreover, it is very easy for me to see that you are
               | upper caste hindu - about 40% of indias population. You
               | should ask the rest of the 60% about what they read from
               | the movie.
               | 
               | > pretends to be a Muslim
               | 
               | Yes, I watched parts of the movie. How does this matter?
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > That Ram can map to Alluri, but the mapping to Lord
               | Rama is absolutely loud and vociferous.
               | 
               | Any elements that you might perceive as _mapping_ to Rama
               | is an homage to the 1974 classic movie:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alluri_Sitarama_Raju
               | 
               | That representation is what is etched into the minds of
               | Telugu audience.
               | 
               | > I could be mistaken about the mapping of Bheem
               | 
               | You _are_ mistaken.
               | 
               | > And that's just one point amongst the 10 I have made
               | with references.
               | 
               | Yeah, the rest them are either unfalsifiable or
               | statements of opinion.
               | 
               | > Moreover, it is very easy for me to see that you are
               | upper caste hindu
               | 
               | I'm fascinated to know how you came to that conclusion.
               | I'm a half-caste with one side of my family entitled to
               | minority status. Try again.
               | 
               | > Yes, I watched parts of the movie.
               | 
               | Wait, you didn't even watch the movie in its entirety?
        
               | random314 wrote:
               | The mapping to divine Lord Rama is unmistakable, and the
               | Godliness bestowed leaves no room for doubt. The
               | iconography of lower caste Bheem showing fealty to lord
               | rama is how the movie ends.
               | 
               | The facts I mentioned are well cited and referenced facts
               | that are well supported. Thanks for acknowledging that
               | you offer no contradiction.
               | 
               | It is also obvious from your play with words - "half
               | minority" that you are upper caste. Eg, Hindu Jain
               | marriages are common.
               | 
               | > I'm fascinated to know how you came to that conclusion.
               | 
               | Lower castes - SC/ST would be irritated by the
               | supplication by Bheem in the end. Non Hindus would find
               | the conversion of a secular independence movement to a
               | hindu religious paen and the exclusion of secular liberal
               | leaders (the father of the nation and first PM)
               | offensive.
               | 
               | This is a typical UC thinking. The only things that are
               | offensive are those that offend me. If someone else gets
               | offended by something else, there is something wrong with
               | them.
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | Thank you for adding to the list of subtleties that
               | foreigners wouldn't pick up on. These are great points
               | and I'm very appreciative you took the time to list them
               | 
               | My wife isn't Indian and she really enjoyed the film
               | (which I did too as an action film) but I was aware the
               | whole time of significant choices used to push the Hindu
               | nationalist messaging. So I've been using it as an
               | example of explaining the political climate in India
               | 
               | As a Hindu myself , but with a mixed caste/religion
               | family, I've slowly been realizing how much messaging
               | there has been in the media we consume as I expand on
               | this with her.
        
               | random314 wrote:
               | Caste discrimination doesn't get as much air, but here is
               | what urban casteism look like
               | 
               | https://youtu.be/x_9326pheho
               | 
               | For rural caste discrimination there are enough incidents
               | like Hathras rape, but this movie gives a good
               | perspective
               | 
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandry
        
             | unmole wrote:
             | > The end credit scene is the only part that I'd consider
             | problematic from a messaging standpoint as it takes a hard
             | line on who they celebrate and isn't subtle about the
             | directors political allegiances.
             | 
             | I don't actually remember the end credit scene and I didn't
             | pick up on any contemporary political references. Could you
             | elaborate?
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | I updated my post with links for reading but it's
               | essentially subtle but insidious.
               | 
               | There's a movement among the right to downplay the more
               | equitable and peace friendly freedom fighters in favour
               | of more radical ones, including ones with ties to the
               | Axis powers.
               | 
               | Again, it barely takes away from the film since it's just
               | the final credits but it's quite a clear signal of the
               | directors outspoken political views
        
               | cuteboy19 wrote:
               | From their perspective the Axis powers were not that much
               | worse than the British
        
             | asenna wrote:
             | I agree with this. I saw this in the theater in India and
             | the overtly Hindutva stuff definitely got me laughing. It's
             | not even subtle, hard to miss when you know the context.
        
             | unmole wrote:
             | Honestly, a lot of the criticism reads like a tin-foil fan
             | theory. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
             | 
             | And some of it makes me question the author's familiarity
             | with the actual background.
             | 
             | > he's seen assuming a wardrobe that invokes his namesake
             | Rama
             | 
             | No, he assumes a wardrobe that invokes Alluri Sitaramaraju,
             | the historical figure his character is based on:
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alluri_Sitarama_Raju
             | 
             | And this popular representation and the fictional fiancee
             | named Sita come from a classic 1974 movie:
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alluri_Seetarama_Raju_(film)
             | 
             | Rajamouli is not exactly big on subtlety. If the troubling
             | implications need so much ink to explain, maybe the
             | implications aren't actually there?
             | 
             | > Essentially it's holding up some of the more radical
             | freedom fighters and downplaying the more pacifist and
             | equitable ones
             | 
             | Sardar Patel, Chidambaram Pillai and Tanguturi Prakasam
             | were not radicals, they were lifelong members of the INC
             | and were committed to Gandhian non-violence. Bhagat Singh
             | and Subhash Chandra Bose were capital S Socialists, it
             | doesn't get more equitable than that. This argument would
             | have held weight if someone like Savarkar was included. As
             | it stands, it makes no sense.
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | Bose was a socialist in the sense that nazis were
               | nationalist socialists so I'm not sure what your point is
               | there.
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | Maybe read about man's views on the matter?
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | I have in the countless times this has been brought up.
               | My high school had a Bose statue and taught us a lot of
               | his history as well to try and reaffirm his greatness.
               | 
               | In the end , I haven't ever seen anyone show me anything
               | that didn't also require ignoring Bose's significant ties
               | to the Nazis to have a charitable take on the man and his
               | followers.
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > I have in the countless times this has been brought up.
               | 
               | And you didn't come across any references of him
               | advocating for authoritarian socialism? This was way
               | before he went into exile or joined hands with Hitler.
        
             | JohnBooty wrote:
             | Thank you for posting that. I learned a lot!
             | 
             | Like many (most?) Westerners, I obviously appreciated the
             | anti-colonialism aspect, but had _no_ idea about all of
             | that other context.
             | 
             | I am deeply appreciative.
        
               | mikymoothrowa wrote:
               | I'm Indian and I didn't see those either.
               | 
               | There's no scenario in which slate/vox would have written
               | a ideologically uncoated positive review of this movie.
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | I'm Indian and I saw it when I watched the movie. Your
               | comments show you have a right wing attitude to these
               | things and I doubt you'd have therefore picked up on it
               | since it affirms a particular world view.
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | If you didn't realise Ramcharan taking up a bow was an
               | homage to Alluri Sitaramaraju, maybe you don't know what
               | you're talking about?
        
               | dagmx wrote:
               | Where did I say I didn't know that? You're putting words
               | in my mouth.
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | Because you posted a link to an article that claimed
               | otherwise and commended a comment that got it wrong.
        
               | JohnBooty wrote:
               | I feel like you two are both on the same side?
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | No, we're not. I believe the movie is just ridiculous in
               | a very fun way. The other side claims that in addition to
               | that it has subtle propaganda that promotes a Hindu
               | nationalist agenda.
        
           | gwill wrote:
           | I loved it. It's over the top, but embraces it really well. I
           | recommend watching with someone else because discussing the
           | movie is really fun. Don't get put off by the runtime, it's
           | very well paced.
        
           | screye wrote:
           | Probably the best Indian-as-indian-can-be movie that's
           | released in a longtime. This is the highest grossing film of
           | all time in Indian cinema, the Avengers Endgame / Jurrassic
           | Park of India.
           | 
           | Pros
           | 
           | * Incredibly stylized and fresh (not derivative)
           | 
           | * great bro-drama
           | 
           | * arguably best dance scene EVER
           | 
           | * Not deeply cynical towards society like everything made
           | today.
           | 
           | Cons:
           | 
           | * Long (but still somehow incredibly fast paced and dense,
           | just a lot of arcs)
           | 
           | * over the top (but shamelessly so, and taken seriously)
           | 
           | ______
           | 
           | RRR is a tectonic shift in how Indian cinema views itself. It
           | is worth watching purely because of its place in the Movie
           | movement zeitgeist.
           | 
           | IMO, This is the first Indian movie in 10 years that makes it
           | to must watch territory for universal audiences (the last one
           | being 3 idiots).
        
           | nsajko wrote:
           | It's fun, but seeing it was concerning because it's basically
           | propaganda, and it seems like it's not out of place in this
           | way where it came from.
        
             | throwaway49374 wrote:
             | +1
        
               | throwaway49374 wrote:
               | My +1 is for the parent propaganda comment, Bollywood has
               | a lot of right wing propaganda these days.
        
               | nsajko wrote:
               | FTR, it seems that this is categorized as a "Tollywood"
               | (Telugu) movie, as opposed to Bollywood (Hindi).
        
             | unmole wrote:
             | It's _propaganda_ in the same way _Sharpe 's Eagle_ is
             | propaganda.
        
           | UtopiaPunk wrote:
           | Yeah, it's tons of fun. It's a big goofy action movie, and
           | they really lean into it in all the best ways. It's basically
           | a superhero movie.
        
           | andsoitis wrote:
           | I don't know yet, but I added it to My List to watch this
           | weekend.
        
           | gernb wrote:
           | I enjoyed it. In fact it might be the best Indian movie I've
           | seen in terms of just being interesting all the way through.
           | 
           | I'm curious what if any serious Indian movies there are. Are
           | they common or rare? Pretty much every Indian movie I've seen
           | is full of amazing and fun nonsense in one form or another.
           | Not that I've seen more than 10 or 15 Indian movies, just
           | curious what the mix is of serious drama vs, break into dance
           | and or show crazy stunt movies is
        
             | i67vw3 wrote:
             | It is not even a 'best' indian movie. It just the current
             | most popular indian movie with western audience.
             | 
             | Tumbbad is somewhat considered masterpiece of indian
             | cinema. It was made with just 700 thousand $
             | https://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/hindi/movie-
             | reviews....
             | 
             | >Pretty much every Indian movie I've seen is full of
             | amazing and fun nonsense in one form or another.
             | 
             | They are the most popular genre. Production houses love
             | them as they make them money and viewers also love to watch
             | them as they can be watched by whole families.
             | 
             | >Not that I've seen more than 10 or 15 Indian movies, just
             | curious what the mix is of serious drama vs, break into
             | dance and or show crazy stunt movies is
             | 
             | Most of indian cinema is action genre with slice of life
             | twist. There are also good serious movies with genres like
             | drama, romcom, comedy, horror, history, sci-fi etc.
             | 
             | You must also know that Indian cinema is not a monolith
             | like hollywood. There are 7 big 'woods' in india branched
             | due to various languages. There is hindi wood (bollywood),
             | tamil, telugu, kannad, marathi, bengali etc. Each have
             | their own tasted with respective viewers. Over the counter
             | action movies (like RRR) are most popular in south
             | industries and viewers.
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > Tumbbad is somewhat considered masterpiece of indian
               | cinema.
               | 
               | By whom? Don't get me wrong, Tumbbad is an excellent
               | movie but _masterpiece_ is over selling it. And the low
               | budget for VFX really shows.
               | 
               | > kannad
               | 
               |  _Wince_
        
               | smcl wrote:
               | I'm curious what the wince is for - do Kannada-language
               | films have a reputation?
        
               | mikymoothrowa wrote:
               | probably for "Kannad" instead of Kannada
               | 
               | and if KGF 2 is any indication, they should stop making
               | movies altogether
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > probably for "Kannad" instead of Kannada
               | 
               | Yup. It's inconsequential but I find it very grating.
               | 
               | > and if KGF 2 is any indication, they should stop making
               | movies altogether
               | 
               | I absolutely hated KGF 1 and didn't bother with the
               | sequel. I honestly don't understand why people compare it
               | to RRR.
        
               | mikymoothrowa wrote:
               | Reportedly the Bollywood movies are worse and they would
               | rather watch KGF
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | That sounds entirely plausible.
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | > I'm curious what the wince is for
               | 
               | The language is called _Kannada_. Schwa deletion turns it
               | into _Kannad_ which sounds grating and seeing it written
               | without the _a_ is even worse.
               | 
               | > do Kannada-language films have a reputation?
               | 
               | I'll just say Sturgeon's law applies.
        
               | smcl wrote:
               | Ahhh sorry I didn't realise, I thought it was just a typo
               | :)
        
             | as1mov wrote:
             | Like every other film industry, Bollywood movies also have
             | a indie counterpart. I've seen quite a few, though it might
             | not translate very well to a watcher who is not familiar
             | with the cultural context for the movies.
             | 
             | Still if you want a list of movies which are "serious" but
             | still approachable enough (i.e doesn't gaze at it's own
             | asshole) and fairly new, I do have a few recommendations -
             | 
             | Udaan, Kahaani, Satya, Maqbool, Khosla's Nest, Masaan,
             | Detective Byomkesh Bakshy, Gangs of Wasseypur, Johhny
             | Gaddar, Kaminey, Black Friday (2004), Aaranya Kaandam (not
             | bollywood)
             | 
             | This list isn't some exhaustive "greatest" ever, just some
             | oddball movies which stick out in my head.
             | 
             | Also keep it in mind this is just the list of
             | Hindi/Bollywood movies which were historically known as
             | "Indian" movies. Other regions of the country have their
             | own list of favorites.
        
             | dagmx wrote:
             | There's tons of very serious Indian movies. They just don't
             | usually capture western audiences
             | 
             | Sholay is a classic , in the vein of Eastwood films.
             | 
             | Don is our take on Godfather
             | 
             | Rang De Basanti and Lagaan are also great films.
             | 
             | Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Ghum , Dil Chahta Hai and other romantic
             | dramas are also very serious but do have songs etc because
             | they're huge drivers of engagement.
             | 
             | In the west, people see the dancing as making the movie
             | silly. But those musical breaks are prevalent in very
             | serious films too. There'sa whole difference in cultural
             | norms when it comes to cinematic language.
        
             | washadjeffmad wrote:
             | I'm not very attuned to modern Indian cinema, but Satyajit
             | Ray's Apu trilogy is excellent, as is Charulata.
             | 
             | For non fiction, Mira Nair's "So Far from Home" and Roberto
             | Rossellini's "India: Matri Bhumi" are also captivating
             | watches.
        
               | srik wrote:
               | Satyajit Ray's entire catalog is delightful, and
               | timeless. The Indian new wave parallel cinema movement
               | that held such promise back then has bemoaningly since
               | declined to a disappointing one or two entries every
               | couple years. Distributors and studios being conservative
               | and reluctant to change from the "bollywood doctrine"
               | held the indian film industry hostage in a state of
               | arrested development for the past few decades. It's kind
               | of why I'm thankful for the rise of streaming services,
               | they're enabling younger indie directors to break free
               | and be bold again. It's a very hopeful time for indian
               | cinema.
        
             | ivanmilles wrote:
             | Netflix's Sacred Games. It was their first domestic
             | production and is a straight faced noir cop drama. It's my
             | favorite crime series of all time - I think it blends The
             | crime boss mythology of The Usual Suspects with the multi-
             | decade story telling of The Godfather. It is told in a way
             | that it feels like a picture coming into focus, rather than
             | a linear narrative.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | SanjayMehta wrote:
             | "The Kashmir Files" is the most serious movie in the recent
             | past.
        
             | butterNaN wrote:
             | Ugly (2013) Court Jai Bhim
             | 
             | Off the top of my head
        
           | hermitcrab wrote:
           | Obviously that is highly subjective. I really liked it, as
           | did my 16 year old son. Although, being British, it was weird
           | to see my countrymen as the cartoon baddies[1]. It is
           | completely over the top and fantastical. But that is part of
           | the appeal. I thought it made a very refreshing change from
           | hollywood movies.
           | 
           | [1] Not without reason. Read up on the depradations of the
           | East India company
        
             | blackoil wrote:
             | Random digression. In wake of recent demise of the Queen,
             | good curious how much do British see the colonion past as
             | glorious and how much as a dark legacy?
        
             | robocat wrote:
             | > it was weird to see my countrymen as the cartoon baddies
             | 
             | I really enjoyed IP Man 2 for the one dimensional portrayal
             | of the British antagonists. Disclaimer: I'm from the
             | colonies.
        
       | lizardactivist wrote:
       | It's very cool to see Blender grow bigger each year and moving
       | into the mainstream movie production.
       | 
       | I can recommend Blender Bob's YouTube channel, he has worked in
       | the VFX industry for many years and primarily uses Blender and
       | shows how VFX is made:
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/c/BlenderBob
        
       | spaghettiToy wrote:
       | I hope to have one of these articles about FreeCAD one day. Maybe
       | the stakes are lower for movies than engineering and that's why
       | it hasn't happened yet.
        
         | NavinF wrote:
         | Some blockers I've encountered after spending a lot of time in
         | FreeCAD:
         | 
         | - No built-in assembly workbench. If you create more than 1
         | object, there is no way to align/attach them together. There
         | are several competing, incompatible, and buggy plugins.
         | 
         | - Topological naming problem is way worse than in paid CAD
         | software. It's very difficult to edit old constraints without
         | breaking new actions as they're replayed:
         | https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Topological_naming_problem
         | 
         | - Software dependencies are not included. Essential features
         | like viewing the dependency graph (to unbreak your model; See
         | above) are broken out of the box. You have to manually install
         | specific versions of tools like graphviz (no, not the same
         | version used by all the other software on your system) to
         | unbreak these features first. Same goes for rendering images,
         | exporting to some formats, using some mesh generators, etc. You
         | really get the full "linux desktop" experience even if you are
         | not on linux ;)
        
           | bsder wrote:
           | > Topological naming problem is way worse than in paid CAD
           | software. It's very difficult to edit old constraints without
           | breaking new actions as they're replayed:
           | https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Topological_naming_problem
           | 
           | This is the single, number one, absolute must fix problem in
           | FreeCAD. All other FreeCAD work should stop until this gets
           | fixed. Period.
           | 
           | Broken constraints were bad enough, but as an amateur I could
           | live with them. However, every now and then the system would
           | renumber and _reconnect_ constraints wrongly. That 's just
           | not acceptable and should never happen.
           | 
           | Until FreeCAD fixes this not only can't I recommend it but I
           | have to give anti-recommendations to stay far, far away from
           | it. That pains me greatly as FreeCAD is the _only_ piece of
           | open-source software I have ever had to chase people away
           | from.
        
         | progfix wrote:
         | FreeCAD needs a drastic UI/UX overhaul and then some serious
         | funding to get at the same level of todays CAD software.
        
           | gwicke wrote:
           | I agree the FreeCAD UX could use some improvements, but I
           | think even more important would be improving reliability and
           | feature coverage in the OpenCascade CAD geometry library it
           | uses. Slightly more complex things like fillets, lofts, nurbs
           | surfaces are very limited and unreliable today. Mixing any of
           | these with booleans tends to create more trouble.
           | 
           | Blender on the other hand is very solid in the modeling
           | department, in my experience. The mesh based approach
           | certainly helps, but not depending on an external
           | organization for the core geometry functionality does not
           | hurt either.
        
             | samwillis wrote:
             | Completely agree with this, OpenCascade is just not a good
             | enough foundation to build a CAD package at the same level
             | as SolidWorks or Fusion360. The unfortunate thing is that
             | the level of investment to build a kernel of that quality
             | is in the 10s or millions dollars. Without a corporate
             | backer who wants it, it won't happen.
             | 
             | The only way I could see it happening is if a consortium of
             | large companies decided that they wanted to drop the big
             | players and build an open source one. It needs a visionary
             | in the position to decide to do it.
        
             | phkahler wrote:
             | >> but I think even more important would be improving
             | reliability and feature coverage in the OpenCascade CAD
             | geometry library it uses
             | 
             | I've been wondering what portion of the FreeCAD "problems"
             | people report are actually issues with OpenCascade. I don't
             | have time to deal with any of it, just a question that pops
             | into my head when I see complaints about FreeCAD. When I
             | have time I spend it in Solvespace, which is decades behind
             | commercial CAD but is so much more fun.
        
           | spacebeer wrote:
           | I've been using various CAD programs, and IMO, FreeCAD UI/UX
           | is quite ok. If you are Inventor or Solidworks user and try
           | to switch to SolidEdge for example, it won't be easy. Not to
           | mention some others like VariCAD (~30 years old professional
           | MCAD)
           | 
           | There are many issues with FreeCAD being OSS alternative to
           | professional MCAD software, but UI/UX is not one of them
        
         | xmonkee wrote:
         | I can't think of another OSS desktop app that comes close to
         | the success of blender and firefox. How did blender do what
         | Gimp etc couldn't?
        
           | Ayesh wrote:
           | I'd like to throw in OBS Studio as well. There's absolutely
           | no software even close to the quality and functionality of
           | it.
        
         | rcarmo wrote:
         | I've been trying to get to grips with FreeCAD for a few months
         | and it reminds me a lot of pre-2.8 Blender - the UX is very
         | opinionated and clunky, needs some serious re-thinking...
         | 
         | (I am trying to avoid using Fusion 360, which has a much more
         | streamlined experience)
        
           | agumonkey wrote:
           | Maybe it's the perfect time to rebuild it.
        
         | dahart wrote:
         | > Maybe the stakes are lower for movies than engineering and
         | that's why it hasn't happened yet.
         | 
         | I really doubt that has much to do with it. The Blender team
         | has been working the hardest on creating sustainable funding,
         | that is the major difference. Blender's "Get Involved" link
         | takes you to the Blender Foundation page, which is a business
         | entity setup and devoted to funding Blender. FreeCAD's "Get
         | Involved" link takes you to GitHub. The Blender site lists paid
         | jobs, and has a one-click donate button highlighted with
         | monthly corporate level sponsorships listed, where FreeCAD's
         | has only a single $5 suggestion behind a menu. There's a
         | further link to a list on a wiki of a couple more ways to
         | sponsor FreeCAD, but you can feel the difference in scale just
         | browsing the two sites. Blender got started ~8 years ahead of
         | FreeCAD, so yeah maybe if FreeCAD focuses on growing a business
         | model they can get there too. The Blender Foundation was
         | launched about 20 years ago though, and it seems like it look a
         | looong time to get the real traction they seem to have now.
        
         | sen wrote:
         | I spent a solid month trying to switch from Fusion 360 to
         | FreeCAD (as a hobbyist maker) and while I got to the point
         | where I could pretty much make anything I needed... it never
         | stopped being a struggle, and taking twice as long.
         | 
         | I really really want an OSS alternative to Fusion/etc but
         | FreeCAD needs a lot of work before it'll even come close.
        
           | mihaaly wrote:
           | FreeCAD's user experience is incoherent or perhaps more like
           | chaotic for a newcomer - to FreeCAD, but experienced in CAD
           | -. Like there was no coherent way of thinking or common
           | approaches in it, like if hundreds of people added pieces to
           | it here and there the way they pleased.
           | 
           | At least this is what I seen 5-7 years ago, gave up very
           | quickly struggling with it - a software supposed to make
           | things easier, not more complex, and FreeCAD made things
           | unnecessarily difficult and complicated. Maybe I should look
           | at it again now, hopefully things improved.
        
           | Lio wrote:
           | I can't thinking that the struggles of an experienced Fusion
           | 360 user such as yourself would be a very valuable thing to
           | contribute to the FreeCAD project.
           | 
           | It's only a few years since we used to hear regular reports
           | of people really struggling with the Blender UI too. It's
           | great to see the improvements to Blender now paying off.
           | 
           | I think there's a fairly good chance that the devs aren't
           | aware of all the rough edges or quirky choices in the same
           | way that a power user of another CAD system would be.
           | 
           | (My own personal CAD experience is so dated at this point as
           | to be pretty useless. I learnt on Unigraphics on a Sun
           | workstation way back in the mists of time but have forget
           | almost everything about it.)
        
           | jker wrote:
           | Agreed, FreeCAD is painful to use when you've been spoiled by
           | Fusion or OnShape. I've tried using SALOME as an OSS
           | alternative, it's somewhat reminiscent of FreeCAD but
           | something of an improvement. CadQuery is another possibility,
           | but I would miss some of the drawing tools - full parametric
           | CAD seems too limiting.
        
       | tulasichintha wrote:
       | I watched this movie and visual feast for audience. Nice to see
       | they used Blender pipeline for Visuals.
        
       | weinzierl wrote:
       | There is also _" I Lost My Body"_ which is full-length movie made
       | in Blender. An interview with the director Jeremy Clapin[1] gives
       | a bit of the backgound of the project.
       | 
       | Both _" RRR"_ [2] and _" I Lost My Body"_ [3] are on Netflix.
       | 
       | [1] https://www.blender.org/user-stories/i-lost-my-body-a-
       | stunni...
       | 
       | [2]
       | https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81476453?s=i&trkid=13747225...
       | 
       | [3]
       | https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81120982?s=i&trkid=13747225...
        
         | jvdvegt wrote:
         | Too bad Netflix won't let me play [3]
        
       | krama wrote:
       | Who cares if they used Blender or Maya. As an Indian (and a South
       | Indian at that), I must say I'm embarrassed at the level of
       | attention this movie is getting for its over the top use of
       | cringey special effects. There are so many other worthwhile
       | Indian films to watch and enjoy.
        
         | sremani wrote:
         | Indian Cinema and esp. Telugu Cinema has its own style of story
         | telling, remember this is make believe. I find it refreshing as
         | a Telugu speaking American that they are staying true to their
         | traditions.
         | 
         | The Bombay production houses have gone Hollywood-lite making
         | movies for affluent westernized Indian class which as it turns
         | out is not profitable. I am for artsy Indian movies but at the
         | end of the day, this is commercial undertaking and the film
         | crew and its producers should make money out of it.
        
         | akritrime wrote:
         | Why? I am so tired of certain section of Indians online
         | pretending that somehow all entertainment should be dictated as
         | per their sensibilities of what's acceptable and what's not.
         | What's wrong in having movies that are over the top? Everyone
         | has different tastes. What's worthwhile for you maybe boring
         | for someone else. I am not saying you have to start
         | appreciating RRR if it's not something that you enjoy, but
         | don't invalidate an experience that millions of people clearly
         | enjoyed. I can appreciate a K Balachander, Gopalkrishnan,
         | Satyajit Ray masterpiece while also hooting for Bheem in RRR.
         | The greatest achievement of Indian cinema is how varied our
         | repertoire is and there is something for everyone to enjoy.
         | Celebrate it, don't be embarrassed about it.
        
         | basti724 wrote:
         | Really weird that we're reviewing a movie on a tech platform.
         | Also, your comment suggests a need for western validation which
         | I think is not needed for Asian cinema. I just enjoy Chinese
         | and Korean cinema for the way they are. I searched for this
         | film and seems its loved a lot by westerners too. Sorry if I
         | misunderstood you buddy!
        
           | pen2l wrote:
           | Relatedly, I've come full circle on my feelings when it comes
           | to Indian movies. I grew up with Bollywood/lollywood movies,
           | and pretty much stopped watching all of this silly stuff upon
           | arriving to America and thought the breaking out in a song in
           | the middle of things was absurd.
           | 
           | I don't know what changed but now I'm not just down with it
           | I'm actually a big fan. I'm there to be entertained - give me
           | Gesamtkunstwerk; I'll suspend belief for those few brief
           | moments, give me wonderful melodies and over-the-top sights.
           | All types of art each have their place! I mean, we put up
           | with soliloquys in Shakespeare plays, we cherish fanciful
           | wordplay, why not give me songs!
        
         | pdntspa wrote:
         | The effects sequences I saw in the video clip didn't look over
         | the top...
         | 
         | Besides what's wrong with a little ridiculousness? Some of the
         | special FX I've seen in memes of indian movies look like they
         | take a decent amount of imagination to visualize
         | 
         | Note that I have not seen any indian cinema, no idea where to
         | start with that, other than to say that the Bollywood format
         | (and musicals in general) has little appeal to me...
        
           | firasd wrote:
           | Bollywood movies aren't really musicals. The way I would put
           | it is that musicals are a genre, and Bollywood movies are all
           | sorts of genres with songs interspersed. So you could
           | literally edit out (or more practically, forward through) all
           | the songs and fully watch the movie which is not really
           | possible with musicals
        
         | bergenty wrote:
         | I think I understand what you're saying but it was a large
         | spanning tale and though there may be some parts that are
         | cringey I thought overall it kept my interest and had something
         | for everyone.
        
           | krama wrote:
           | I agree that RRR has its place. Like so many other Avenger
           | style genre movies. The problem is that it just advances a
           | stereotype and bias about what an American audience expects
           | when they sit down to watch a Korean film, or a Chinese film,
           | or an Indian film.
           | 
           | They are all just films, just like Hollywood makes different
           | genres, these countries make films in every genre. At least
           | the Indian film industry is a behemoth large enough to be
           | able to make movies in every genre.
        
         | gamblor956 wrote:
         | Agreed, while the movie was fun to watch, the FX are quite poor
         | compared to US films. In terms of something American viewers
         | would understand: it's about the equivalent of a Disney Plus
         | show like the Mandalorian or Ms Marvel.
         | 
         | As far as FX quality goes, the recently released Bhramastra
         | sets the high watermark for Indian films. The FX are Hollywood
         | level...probably because it's made by Disney's Indian film
         | studios (Star Studios) and the FX were outsourced to some of
         | the same FX studios working on Marvel films. (And as a side
         | bonus, there isn't any of the weird fetishization of
         | British/white women or obsequious political pandering to the
         | India's current ultra-nationalist government like there are in
         | RRR.)
         | 
         | As an example of the difference in FX quality: in RRR, you're
         | always aware of the artificial nature of the CGI because it
         | doesn't "blend" into the world around it; the CGI sits on top
         | of the world and is clearly separate from the action on screen.
         | The animal FX are especially bad. In Bhramastra, the "astra"
         | that give people various powers blend in with, light up, and
         | shade the world around them even though they're purely CGI.
        
         | firasd wrote:
         | Yeah I have some mixed feelings. It's good that an Indian movie
         | is breaking over to such significant consciousness in the US
         | but a lot of the interest is like gawking. Like: 'OMG a tiger
         | is jumping out of a truck with the hero, I'm laughing'
         | 
         | So as an Indian I feel like this shouldn't be generalized as
         | the 'image' in people's minds of what an Indian movie is. The
         | over the top parts should be considered as a genre of its own
        
           | dereg wrote:
           | Don't worry, I don't think Americans started thinking that,
           | in movies, all Chinese people should fly after watching
           | Crouching Tiger and Hidden Dragon.
        
           | nyokodo wrote:
           | > So as an Indian I feel like this shouldn't be generalized
           | as the 'image' in people's minds of what an Indian movie is.
           | 
           | We'll do that as long as you do us a similar favor for
           | Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich.
        
         | shp0ngle wrote:
         | For what it's worth I love all S S Rajamouli movies I have
         | seen. And like them or not, they are crazy successful.
         | 
         | (I haven't seen this one yet though)
        
         | athulp wrote:
         | Your comment is cringe.
        
         | TaylorAlexander wrote:
         | I care! As an open source advocate, it is important to me to
         | see Blender being used in successful feature films, regardless
         | of the artistic merits of the film itself.
        
         | tandr wrote:
         | What would you recommend to watch instead?
        
           | karanmg wrote:
           | Delhi Belly for sure!
        
           | perfectstorm wrote:
           | If you have Hulu watch Drishyam (Malayalam) and its sequel on
           | Amazon prime Drishyam 2.
        
           | krama wrote:
           | Given the number of movies made and regions, and decades, I'd
           | run out of breath. But I'd start here.
           | 
           | Malayalam Films : Known for their subtlety and craft in film
           | making, and obsession with crime novels. Dhrishyam part 1 & 2
           | are like no movies I've seen in Hollywood.
           | 
           | Hindi Films: Or Bollywood movies, known for their big stars,
           | great attention to set pieces of grand dance sequence s and
           | decent romantic comedies / sports movies. Hard to pick one as
           | nothing has shined recently. I'd give "Zindagi Na milega
           | dubara" / "Chak dhe" a look. Again nothing spectacular
           | recently unless you want to watch a classic from the
           | seventies "Sholay"
           | 
           | Tamil movies : Gritty movies about inner city gangs / social
           | upheaval or focus on stellar music/dance romantic comedies
           | and major action blockbusters. From recent years I'd give
           | "Vada Chennai", or "Vikram Vedha" a chance for gritty urban
           | movies. Or just the most recent action blockbuster "Vikram".
           | Which has a really good score.
           | 
           | Telugu movies (the original language for RRR) : I'd give
           | "Pushpa" a look before watching CGI drenched RRR.
        
             | sremani wrote:
             | Nah Bro.. RRR beats all the 3rd rate movies you have
             | mentioned for global audiences.. this coming from a guy who
             | loved Pushpa more than RRR.
        
             | bhupy wrote:
             | > Hard to pick one as nothing has shined recently. I'd give
             | "Zindagi Na milega dubara" / "Chak dhe" a look.
             | 
             | +1 for _Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara_ - one of my all time
             | favorites. For a more recent Bollywood film, _Kapoor and
             | Sons_ is pretty good.
        
             | prashantsengar wrote:
             | I will also add "Andhadhun" to the list of bollywood
             | movies. One of the best movies I have _ever_ seen.
        
             | bergenty wrote:
             | Malayalam films really are something else. For everyone
             | else that isn't Indian, the trope is Bollywood copies
             | Malayalam films (who are known to have fantastic character
             | development and original stories) and makes them over the
             | top ridiculous, campy and throws in sappy love songs with a
             | bigger budget. It's kind of like the book was better than
             | the movie argument.
        
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         | unmole wrote:
         | > embarrassed
         | 
         | Why are you embarassed?
        
           | krama wrote:
        
           | paisawalla wrote:
           | Indian action films typically don't strive for believable
           | action scenes, like American films do. Instead, they apply
           | the effects and stunts excessively -- they go over the top in
           | a major way.
           | 
           | The embarrassment is for the comparably unsophisticated
           | tastes, and I don't share the feeling but I can understand.
           | It's like everyone discovering that your uncle is addicted to
           | something cheap and insubstantial that only children like,
           | like junk food.
        
             | michaelt wrote:
             | American action movies aren't striving for realism these
             | days - their output is 98% superhero movies.
             | 
             | Action movies have always been unashamed about having an
             | element of lowbrow populism. You can enjoy seeing bad guys
             | get their asses kicked in The Matrix even if you've never
             | heard of plato's cave - and there's nothing wrong with
             | that.
        
             | dsign wrote:
             | > Indian action films typically don't strive for believable
             | action scenes, like American films do.
             | 
             | I'm taking your "believable American action scenes" with a
             | big semi full of salt.
        
               | paisawalla wrote:
               | Hah point taken, let me put it a different way.
               | 
               | In American films, if someone does extreme, superhuman
               | stunts, the filmmaker typically feels pressure to explain
               | that the character is actually superhuman in some way and
               | not an ordinary guy with an office job. And he or she
               | will be in peak physical shape.
               | 
               | In Indian film, an utterly ordinary character in "office
               | job" physical condition will catch bullets, run faster
               | than a full speed train, etc. No pressure to explain the
               | seeming contradiction with ordinary reality. The film
               | could be considered a romance, having ordinary people as
               | protagonists, and these characters would be doing the
               | above-mentioned stunts as part of the plot.
               | 
               | These aren't hard and fast rules, both sides of the
               | divide deviate from them, but that's been my observation.
        
               | dereg wrote:
               | > No pressure to explain the seeming contradiction with
               | ordinary reality
               | 
               | this is a feature and not a bug. The urge for excessive
               | exposition is so tiring. Not everything needs an origins
               | story, explanation, or a prequel. Hollywood has been
               | leaning on that formula and you can see it in the product
               | - the movies have become tiresome.
               | 
               | Nobody needs an explanation for their "powers".
               | Excessively qualifying a character more likely burdens
               | then than lifts them. RRR was such a refreshing,
               | thrilling watch parallel to Mad Max: Fury Road.
        
               | CrazyStat wrote:
               | >a big semi full of salt
               | 
               | Let's have the semi jump off the end of an unfinished
               | highway overpass and do a barrel roll. While the truck is
               | slo-mo flying through the air we'll cut to a ground shot
               | of a middle-aged dad about to salt some meat on the
               | grill, but the barrel-rolling truck overhead spills just
               | the perfect amount of salt on his burgers so he just
               | looks up and shrugs. Finally we'll cut back to the
               | massive explosion as the truck hits the ground.
        
             | tomcam wrote:
             | Some of us are very happy to pay for entertainment like
             | that. I consider this exuberant style a worthwhile niche of
             | its own, like wire work in Asian films.
        
               | krama wrote:
               | Exactly. When I saw the reaction to RRR, I was reminded
               | of how "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" was received in
               | the US back then. It would be akin to an Asian / Indian
               | audience only watching A sub genre of movies made in
               | Hollywood.
        
             | GiorgioG wrote:
             | I don't think American films strive for believable action
             | scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpUGB9Ap1Y
        
               | gamblor956 wrote:
               | Tom Cruise actually performed that stunt. There is a
               | highlight BTS reel showing how they composited that shot
               | (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjsZCMBT-s one of
               | several; just the first result in my Google search). As
               | you can see, he's very well secured to the plane in the
               | BTS footage; the cables and other protection are
               | composited out in post-production. Similarly, in the
               | water tank scene later in the movie, Cruise actually
               | jumped 120 feet into water, and held his breath in a
               | water tank for several minutes (though the fountain in
               | the jump, and the arm in the tank were both composited
               | into the scene in post).
               | 
               | In fact, Tom Cruise actually performs most of his stunts,
               | especially for the MI movies. It's kind of his thing;
               | while the context of the stunt might be CGI the action
               | itself is real.
               | 
               | He's worth more than a billion dollars, so he can afford
               | to pay specialists to train him; he supposedly spent over
               | a year learning to hold his breath for several minutes
               | just for the water tank scene.
        
               | random314 wrote:
               | Except that it is claimed that Tom Cruise actually
               | performed that stunt
               | 
               | https://youtu.be/afS5ks54tms
        
             | ramesh31 wrote:
             | > Indian action films typically don't strive for believable
             | action scenes, like American films do. Instead, they apply
             | the effects and stunts excessively -- they go over the top
             | in a major way.
             | 
             | This is precisely what Americans love about it though.
             | Indian cinema comes from a completely different tradition
             | than Hollywood, and it's a breath of fresh air. Action
             | movies _should_ be more silly. It's just entertainment.
             | 
             | A great analogy is to the Ugandan action films as well (go
             | watch "Who Killed Captain Alex" right now if you haven't).
             | They are doing something completely new that breaks the
             | Hollywood tropes. We really need more of this, because the
             | American film industry has reached a creative dead end.
        
             | sprkwd wrote:
             | > Indian action films typically don't strive for believable
             | action scenes, like American films do. Instead, they apply
             | the effects and stunts excessively -- they go over the top
             | in a major way.
             | 
             | That's why I like them. So refreshing.
        
             | aloknnikhil wrote:
             | Being over the top is a unique characteristic of the Indian
             | Cinema. If I wanted to watch "believable action scenes",
             | I'd go watch a documentary. I honestly don't get this idea
             | of standardizing everything as the West does. It's a great
             | idea for some. For art? Come on.
        
           | samuraijack wrote:
        
         | bozhark wrote:
         | what would you recommend?
         | 
         | overthetop cgi is equated with bollywood, to my knowledge
        
           | unmole wrote:
           | > overthetop cgi is equated with bollywood, to my knowledge
           | 
           | No. The overwhelming majority of Bollywood movies don't have
           | much CGI. And RRR isn't a _Bollywood_ movie to begin with.
        
       | vivegi wrote:
       | The film certainly took the level of art and craft in Indian
       | cinema several notches up. Pleasantly surprised that some of the
       | visual effects used the Blender pipeline. Very cool.
        
       | lern_too_spel wrote:
       | Multiple VFX companies worked on RRR. This article is about one
       | of them, which used Blender.
        
       | js2 wrote:
       | This movie is apparently available to U.S. audiences only on
       | Netflix with a Hindi dub. I'd really like to see it in its
       | original language with English subtitles. As well, the total size
       | of the UHD stream is about 14 GB which isn't going to be the best
       | quality for a 3 hour runtime.
       | 
       | https://old.reddit.com/r/Bluray/comments/v3fzni/rrr_bluray/
       | 
       | I'll watch it anyway. Looks like a fun time.
        
       | protoc wrote:
       | What type of computers do they use to render these FX these days?
        
         | kelsolaar wrote:
         | Depends on the studio and the type of VFX. The most complex
         | tend to be CPU/Memory bound as the datasets typically do not
         | fit in GPU memory (48GB for an NVIDIA A6000). Thus you find AMD
         | EPYC with a lot of RAM and NVME disks on the server side or AMD
         | Threadripper Pro at artists desks.
        
       | dagmx wrote:
       | Title is misleading. It was made primarily in Blender but not
       | entirely in it.
       | 
       | From the article
       | 
       | > Blender was used in our entire pipeline aside from the FX
       | department
       | 
       | Houdini was likely used for FX work since Blender isn't quite
       | competitive with it yet.
       | 
       | Additionally, this is about a single studio's pipeline and not
       | reflective of all the total work involved.
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Fixed now. Thanks!
         | 
         | (Submitted title was "Visual Effects for the Indian Blockbuster
         | "RRR" made entirely in Blender".)
        
           | dagmx wrote:
           | Thanks for consistently being on top of submissions , even on
           | the weekend :-)
        
         | dboon wrote:
         | Speaking of Houdini, https://github.com/setzer22/blackjack is
         | an excellent open source alternative that loses a ton of cruft
         | and is scriptable in Lua. I highly recommend checking it out if
         | this is your kind of thing
        
           | gabereiser wrote:
           | Not even close to Houdini. It's on par with its modeling but
           | has nothing on Houdini's sim, particles, FX.
        
           | virtualritz wrote:
           | I like Blackjack and I'm even working on porting some of my
           | Rust geometry code to Blackjack nodes. But calling it a
           | Houdini alternative is, pardon my French, BS. :)
           | 
           | Blackjack atm covers less than <1% of Houdini's modeling
           | toolset. And modeling is the least used part of Houdini in
           | VFX (less so in games, i.e. for massive open world building
           | etc.)
           | 
           | Houdini is usually used for what is called FX/effects in VFX.
           | I.e. fire, water, explosions, destructions. Also crowd stuff
           | is not seldomly done in Houdini.
        
           | capableweb wrote:
           | blackjack seems like a great (initial version of a) tool for
           | doing procedural modelling, just like geometry nodes in
           | Blender.
           | 
           | However, it seems the similarities with Houdini stops there.
           | While Houdini might be famous for the procedural nature of
           | the tool, where it really shines is the physics, simulation
           | and effects department. Which blackjack seems to not have any
           | features about at all.
        
       | makach wrote:
       | Nothing but masterful! Blender is a tool to be reckon with
        
       | jwitthuhn wrote:
       | Excited to see this posted here, I'm the author of the Cycles for
       | Max plugin mentioned in the article. I was delighted when I first
       | heard it was used in RRR.
       | 
       | https://cyclesformax.net
        
         | sizzle wrote:
         | This movie looks EPIC where can we stream it??
        
           | nickhalfasleep wrote:
           | Netflix
        
         | pen2l wrote:
         | I saw it in imax at the insistence of an acquaintance. While
         | watching I kept thinking: "ok, so this is the results when you
         | have a massive budget, access to lots of designers and top-of-
         | the-line tools".
         | 
         | I'm totally thunderstruck to learn it was all done in Blender
         | pipeline. Bravo for making this possible.
        
           | 2Gkashmiri wrote:
           | i have a designer friend who, after years of me prodding him
           | to try blender recently said "i should give blender a try".
           | this is the same guy who lives on adobe, and all that
           | shizz...
           | 
           | "industry tools" he calls them. "why should i invest my time
           | to learn a software when no one else in the industry is using
           | them"...
           | 
           | glad the industry is changing behind the scenes to a point
           | people like my friend would have to put blender in their
           | workflow and maybe, just maybe one day work entirely off of
           | FOSS tools.
        
           | tomcam wrote:
           | Same. The movie was very fun and it was plainly obvious to me
           | that they had a giant budget for crowds, visual effects, etc.
           | Gobsmacked that this was an all-Blender operation.
        
             | tooltower wrote:
             | I'm confused. What does budget have to do with using
             | Blender? I thought a big movie budget is needed mainly for
             | the labor and artistry, and comparatively little goes into
             | software licensing. Is that not the case?
        
               | ZiiS wrote:
               | Plenty of good films have been made with very small
               | budgets. If you are shooting on a consumer DSLR or even
               | phones then Blender is a godsend.
               | 
               | If you have RRR's budget you can easily waste more money
               | explaining to the lawyers and accountants that something
               | is free. The decisions is purly on which software is
               | better.
        
           | blackoil wrote:
           | The budget of ~60 million is huge by Indian standard not by
           | Hollywood where >200 million is now increasingly common.
        
             | rockemsockem wrote:
             | My favorite comparison now is to look at what the Indian
             | Mars Orbiter Mission cost.
             | 
             | It cost $73 million (according to Wikipedia:
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Orbiter_Mission) RRR's
             | budget was $72 million (according to Wikipedia:
             | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRR_(film))
             | 
             | Seems a bit crazy with that comparison.
        
               | silentsea90 wrote:
               | Funnier still was a comparison between Indian Mars
               | Orbital Mission ($73 M) and the budgets for Gravity
               | ($100M), The Martian ($108M), Interstellar ($165M). ISRO
               | (India's space agency) engineers missions to Mars for the
               | price it takes Hollywood to make movies with Mars, space
               | etc.
        
             | dereg wrote:
             | A good chunk of that goes to actor pay. For instance, in
             | the $200m budgeted Gray Man, Ryan Gosling and Chris Evans
             | took home $20m each. Even net those two salaries, Gray Man
             | was twice the budget of RRR and visually pales in
             | comparison to it. Huge budgets mean nothing.
        
               | bozhark wrote:
               | Americans are paid a higher wage.
               | 
               | Dollar goes further with exchanges
        
               | echelon wrote:
               | > Americans are paid a higher wage.
               | 
               | For now. The rest of the world is rapidly catching up in
               | pretty much every sphere.
               | 
               | But take movies:
               | 
               | America has but a paltry 330 M people. The appetite for
               | "American" media will wane as India, China, and other
               | vastly more populous Asian countries begin to produce
               | Hollywood-caliber films. American box office increasingly
               | relies on non-domestic consumption. Chinese films are
               | doing bigger revenues, and soon Indian films will too.
               | 
               | Korea is starting to sweep the Oscars, Emmy's, and Golden
               | Globes.
               | 
               | Hollywood is going to be washed out by the vast talent,
               | capital, and differing tastes beyond American borders.
               | 
               | The age of the "American" film has already peaked. (It's
               | not just the market growing up. Kids today no longer want
               | to be Hollywood stars - they want to be famous on
               | YouTube, TikTok, and Twitch.)
               | 
               | The same trend is observable in other fields. Science,
               | technology, fashion, etc.
               | 
               | edit for downvotes: Do not confuse this post for anti-
               | American sentiment. It's an honest current and forward-
               | looking assessment.
        
               | geodel wrote:
               | Those 330 million have highest spending capacity in the
               | world so that makes big difference.
               | 
               | Are those Chinese movies making big revenues outside
               | China? Until that happens they are just catering local
               | market. So far Chinese movies successful in China or
               | Chinese speaking population. I think it is just logical
               | thing not world changing.
               | 
               | One can also read about Indian movie economics where
               | movies with massive budgets sank like giant turds.
               | Clueless directors in India are shocked that their
               | successful formula of movies is failing so badly.
               | 
               | Kids today also do not want to be doctors, should I be
               | worried that no one will be there to treat my old ass
               | very soon?
        
               | hilbertseries wrote:
               | > Korea is starting to sweep the Oscars, Emmy's, and
               | Golden Globes.
               | 
               | I don't think Korea won a single award at the Oscars this
               | year. They won a single golden globe and two Emmys. It's
               | just parasite and squid game, so far. They are very far
               | from sweeping the award ceremonies.
        
               | echelon wrote:
               | I was referring to _Parasite_ , which won six Oscars,
               | including the coveted Best Picture and Best Director
               | nods. That was two years ago, but it speaks to the new
               | high water mark Korea is now hitting at.
        
               | otikik wrote:
               | Isn't that a bit like saying that Australians are great
               | at playing piano and singing songs and cracking jokes
               | about religion because Tim Minchin exists?
        
               | oarabbus_ wrote:
               | >The age of the "American" film has already peaked.
               | 
               | >edit for downvotes: Do not confuse this post for anti-
               | American sentiment. It's an honest current and forward-
               | looking assessment.
               | 
               | I don't think it's "anti-American sentiment" as much as
               | unsubstantiated claims.
               | 
               | Parasite was an excellent film I thought deserves all its
               | praise. But "Korea is starting to sweep the Oscars" is a
               | very different statement than "Bong Joon-ho and the
               | Parasite team swept the 2019 Oscars".
               | 
               | What you're claiming is that American cinema has peaked,
               | and "Hollywood is going to be washed out". A more
               | reasonable statement is "The age of exclusively
               | USA/Hollywood filmmaking awards is over".
        
               | majormajor wrote:
               | > The age of the "American" film has already peaked.
               | (It's not just the market growing up. Kids today no
               | longer want to be Hollywood stars - they want to be
               | famous on YouTube, TikTok, and Twitch.)
               | 
               | Currently a big next step for TikTok stars is moving into
               | Hollywood stuff - Addison Rae, the D'Amelios - just like
               | it was for the Kardashians a couple decades ago.
               | 
               | Even as you talk about American films doing less at the
               | box office, Hollywood itself is rapidly adapting to
               | produce more content for serialized US-market TV
               | (primarily streaming, but this actually started in the
               | cable era).
               | 
               | Many people argue that this stuff is actually _better_
               | than the  "blockbuster films" that are still trying to
               | have global appeal, because of the ability to make more
               | niche content of varying sorts.
               | 
               | It's hard to see Hollywood or a domestic US media market
               | fed by US productions going anywhere. Thinking that the
               | average US media consumption will turn into non-American
               | stuff is the same fallacy as thinking that _everywhere
               | else in the world_ would have just consumed American
               | stuff forever instead of creating their own local
               | markets.
        
             | kyriakos wrote:
             | how much of those 200+ are going to actual VFX though?
             | Isn't most of it being used to buy A-list actors ?
        
           | rob74 wrote:
           | Speaking of "lots of designers": while everything else looks
           | very realistic to me, that tram (I think it's a tram) in the
           | motorbike chase scene
           | (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbuZQTud7YE&t=85s) looks
           | very odd. A low floor tram in the 1920s? Is that based on any
           | real model? Also, the overhead wire seems to be just hanging
           | there in mid air while the poles that are actually supposed
           | to support it are off to the side...
        
             | ricardobeat wrote:
             | Haha, good catch. Would be nice to have floating tram
             | lines.
             | 
             | In this other shot (https://youtu.be/wbuZQTud7YE?t=94) you
             | can see there are actually support lines, but they have
             | been "eaten" by the post-processing.
        
       | Daub wrote:
       | Love Blender, but in my experience, the biggest advantage that
       | 3DS Max has over Blender is its ability to handle massive scenes.
       | In VFX, especially those involving explosions, dust, crowds and
       | suchlike, this can be a deal breaker.
        
         | Etheryte wrote:
         | You clearly haven't watched the movie mentioned in the article.
         | Most of the movie is massive scenes including exactly the kind
         | of elements you described.
        
       | TaylorAlexander wrote:
       | For anyone unfamiliar with the movie or seeking some perspective
       | on the film, I did very much enjoy this review/retrospective of
       | RRR by Patrick H Willems, a channel which I generally enjoy. The
       | same video is also on Nebula for folks with a subscription.
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPU2D5Ftjbw
        
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       | andrewstuart wrote:
       | The Critical Drinker - a YouTube movie reviewer who is very very
       | selective about what he calls a good movie, says:
       | 
       | "RRR is the best movie you've never seen"
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKN6FAKjFPU
        
         | rufusroflpunch wrote:
         | I love the Critical Drinker and I also loved this movie. I am
         | not a fan of Indian movies usually, but this one was so good
         | that it is really almost mythical in the way can tell a
         | universal story.
        
       | jmartrican wrote:
       | I can't finish watching this movie because I do not want to see
       | the two dudes fight each other. lol. I want to live in a world
       | where they still BFFs.
        
         | mikymoothrowa wrote:
         | If that's your problem, you can watch the ending and then
         | rewatch the whole film.
        
         | bergenty wrote:
         | This is a spoiler you probably want to get rid of it though you
         | can probably see what you're saying coming.
        
       | pvsukale3 wrote:
       | Unrelated:
       | 
       | If you enjoyed RRR and it's over the top drama, action sequences
       | you might also like following movies.
       | 
       | 1) Bahubali 1 & 2 (same director)
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62HrubdD6o
       | 
       | 2) KGF chapter 1 and 2
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qah9sSIXJqk
        
         | mikymoothrowa wrote:
         | I second Bahubali
         | 
         | but please do not waste your time watching KGF. It's just a
         | series of hype scenes made for tik tok recreation. Not a movie.
         | Has great music though
        
           | kshacker wrote:
           | I agree. This is how I describe KGF
           | 
           | Part 1 has shot / camera angle changing every 2 seconds, like
           | an American music video (movie is not musical just talking
           | about the video)
           | 
           | Part 2 is more traditional with the camera angle / shot
           | changing every 4 seconds.
           | 
           | And then there is some story to fill these few thousand
           | camera shots, but your head hurts so much from the very
           | changing screen visuals ... maybe it is my age :)
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | Right up my alley, thanks!
         | 
         | Do you have any recommendations for musicals? I love the 2000s
         | era ones with super melodic songs. Last one I loved was Janatha
         | Garage though. I feel like Telugu movies have seized the
         | Bollywood crown. Not a lot of the jukeboxes on YouTube have
         | impressed me since.
        
           | pvsukale3 wrote:
           | On top of my mind, not an exhaustive list
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geetha_Govindam
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%2796_(film)
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saathiya_(film)
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sairat
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_States_(2014_film)
           | 
           | https://youtu.be/XTTAHt4VlUA
        
             | tomcam wrote:
             | You are my new best friend. Cannot wait to see these!
        
         | lwn wrote:
         | I absolutely loved Baahubali and watched RRR last night for the
         | first time. I'm planning to watch KFG tonight. I'd highly
         | recommend Tumbbad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbbad too.
        
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