[HN Gopher] Wikipedia Speedruns
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       Wikipedia Speedruns
        
       Author : mahami
       Score  : 205 points
       Date   : 2022-09-15 12:36 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (wikispeedruns.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (wikispeedruns.com)
        
       | tristor wrote:
       | This was interesting, this was the last one I did. Reminds me of
       | the "Degrees of separation" rule on Wikipedia that any article is
       | within 5 or 6 clicks of something about WW2.
       | 
       | -----
       | 
       | You found it!
       | 
       | Here's how you did:
       | 
       | "Diesel engine" to "Ethnic group"
       | 
       | Time: 19.686 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 4
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Diesel engine", "Rudolf Diesel", "Second
       | French Empire", "French people", "Ethnic group" ]
        
         | HideousKojima wrote:
         | Also reminds me of how if you click the second link of a
         | Wikipedia article (and the second link of every subsequent
         | page) you'll always end up on Philosophy
        
           | epicide wrote:
           | More info on this? Unless I'm misunderstanding something, in
           | my own test, this isn't true. You can hit loops, e.g. the
           | page for Russia goes to Eastern Europe which goes back to
           | Russia.
        
             | howenterprisey wrote:
             | Wikipedia, unsurprisingly, has a page on this: https://en.w
             | ikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Getting_to_Philosoph...
        
               | capableweb wrote:
               | Which, ironically, doesn't work for that page. You end up
               | in a loop rather than getting to philosophy.
        
               | boomboomsubban wrote:
               | It worked for me? Either something changed in the past
               | five minutes or one of us messed up. I did the first link
               | as the article mentions, not the second. That could also
               | be the issue.
        
             | agweber wrote:
             | 'Wikipedia trivia: if you take any article, click on the
             | first link in the article text not in parentheses or
             | italics, and then repeat, you will eventually end up at
             | "Philosophy".'
             | 
             | Stems from https://xkcd.com/903/ alt-text. Might not be the
             | original source, but that's where I know it from.
        
             | SllX wrote:
             | Knowledge also forms a loop going from: Knowledge ->
             | Procedural knowledge -> Descriptive knowledge -> Knowledge.
        
             | gibspaulding wrote:
             | I just tried it from a random page and thought it was going
             | to work when I hit "knowledge", but ended up with a loop
             | too. I think it's more of a truism than actual provable
             | fact.
        
               | epicide wrote:
               | I think it might be provable that you'll eventually hit a
               | loop.
               | 
               | EDIT: I suppose one disproof would be the existence of
               | articles that don't have a second link.
        
       | digitalmk wrote:
       | For someone who didn't exactly excel in chemistry, this was
       | rough:
       | 
       | "Automotive industry" to "Pi bond" Time: 145.773 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 13
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Automotive industry", "Industry
       | (economics)", "Product (business)", "Raw material", "Foundry",
       | "Hydrogen gas porosity", "Hydrogen", "Diatomic molecule",
       | "Molecule", "Chemical bond", "Bond length", "Molecular geometry",
       | "Covalent bond", "Pi bond" ] 145.77300000000002
        
       | ianhawes wrote:
       | "John F. Kennedy" to "Chemical formula"
       | 
       | Time: 54.809 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 7
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "John F. Kennedy", "Harvard University",
       | "List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation", "Nobel
       | Prize", "Nobel Prize in Chemistry", "Chemistry", "Chemical
       | equation", "Chemical formula" ]
        
         | kgeist wrote:
         | I clicked "I'm feeling lucky" and the very first link in the
         | very first page led me to the ending article, took me 5
         | seconds. Lucky indeed.
        
       | harel wrote:
       | Twitter to Gambia... That was way more fun than I thought it
       | would be...
        
       | Breadmaker wrote:
       | :-)
       | 
       | "Ditransitive verb" to "Paul the Apostle"
       | 
       | Time: 133.395 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 10
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Ditransitive verb", "Grammar",
       | "Linguistics", "Science", "Fall of the Western Roman Empire",
       | "Edict of Milan", "Edict of Thessalonica", "Arianism", "Jesus",
       | "Pauline epistles", "Paul the Apostle" ]
        
         | Breadmaker wrote:
         | This is the next olympic sport.
         | 
         | "National Collegiate Athletic Association" to "Myanmar"
         | 
         | Time: 63.695 Seconds
         | 
         | Number of links visited: 6
         | 
         | The path you took: [ "National Collegiate Athletic
         | Association", "Student athlete", "Amateur", "Olympic Games",
         | "International Olympic Committee", "Thailand", "Myanmar" ]
        
       | dmix wrote:
       | There should be ranking charts for each combination.
        
       | davikr wrote:
       | "Magazine" to "Periodical literature" Time: 1.113 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 1
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Magazine", "Periodical literature" ]
       | 
       | :)
        
       | klyrs wrote:
       | Well, that was fun, but the inability to go back without
       | completely restarting was a little frustrating.
        
         | RockRobotRock wrote:
         | This might be considered a feature since it makes it harder. I
         | noticed you also can't Ctrl+F anywhere.
        
         | boomboomsubban wrote:
         | Particularly on mobile, where lots of small links next to each
         | other is a minefield. I went to click the winning link one
         | match only to click the line below, causing me to quit playing.
        
       | dmix wrote:
       | This was a fun one:
       | 
       | ---
       | 
       | "Domain name" to "Creative Commons license" Time: 90.194 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 8
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Domain name", "Website", "Adobe Flash
       | Player", "Browser game", "Free-to-play", "Freemium", "Open
       | source", "Creative Commons", "Creative Commons license" ]
       | 
       | https://wikispeedruns.com/quick_run/finish?run_id=72581&play...
        
         | dmix wrote:
         | "New Delhi" to "Marseille"
         | 
         | Time: 64.282 Seconds
         | 
         | Number of links visited: 6
         | 
         | The path you took: [ "New Delhi", "Capital city", "Cantons of
         | Switzerland", "French language", "Northern France", "France",
         | "Marseille" ]
         | 
         | https://wikispeedruns.com/quick_run/finish?run_id=73745&play...
        
           | Emma_Goldman wrote:
           | Very cool. My first go was similar:
           | 
           | "West Virginia" to "Austria-Hungary"
           | 
           | Time: 50.962 Seconds
           | 
           | Number of links visited: 8
           | 
           | The path you took: ["West Virginia", "United States", "North
           | America", "Continent", "Eurasia", "Europe", "World war",
           | "World War I", "Austria-Hungary" ]
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | jaqalopes wrote:
       | This is fun, we used to do something like this in high school
       | called Five Clicks to Jesus, which is exactly what it sounds
       | like.
       | 
       | I find this particular version a bit tedious because you aren't
       | allowed to Find on a page. What good is having a timer if I can't
       | go fast? Why punish me twice for reaching a dead end page by
       | making me read the entire thing to discover that I need to go
       | back?
        
         | slaymaker1907 wrote:
         | I think it's an interesting restriction. The one thing I object
         | to is not having sources and especially "See also". Most of the
         | time I can get things within 10 clicks even with the
         | restrictions.
        
       | that_guy_iain wrote:
       | Looking at the result for others, mines doesn't look so good.
       | 
       | "Australian Recording Industry Association" to "National Register
       | of Historic Places listings in South Carolina" Time: 285.376
       | Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 16
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Australian Recording Industry Association",
       | "Australia", "Oceania", "Region", "List of regions of the United
       | States", "Grand Strand", "South Carolina", "Fort Sumter", "Fort
       | Sumter and Fort Moultrie National Historical Park", "National
       | Historic Site (United States)", "National Register of Historic
       | Places", "List of U.S. National Historic Landmarks by state",
       | "List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina", "St.
       | James Episcopal Church (Santee, South Carolina)", "National
       | Register of Historic Places", "United States National Register of
       | Historic Places listings", "National Register of Historic Places
       | listings in South Carolina" ]
        
       | mgraczyk wrote:
       | Pretty cool! Some of these are very fun to think about, where to
       | look to find the most likely connection and trying to come up
       | with intermediate concepts that would likely link two thinks.
       | Like linking "Analytics" to "Surrey" my first thought was "bank"
       | since it's close to both Analytics and the UK.
        
       | zichy wrote:
       | I know some friends who would prefer to play this in their native
       | language, so I can't wait for the i18n:
       | https://github.com/wikispeedruns/wikipedia-speedruns/issues/...
        
       | SllX wrote:
       | "Chromosome" to "BBC One" Time: 78.910 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 10
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Chromosome", "DNA", "Life", "Animal",
       | "Systema Naturae", "Carl Linnaeus", "Chelsea Physic Garden",
       | "Chelsea, London", "United Kingdom", "BBC", "BBC One" ]
       | 
       | This is pretty sick.
        
         | SllX wrote:
         | Damn. So I just lost one.
         | 
         | I needed to go from 700 to "Australasian Virtual Herbarium".
         | 
         | Getting from 700 to South Australia or Adelaide is no big deal.
         | The problem is trying to find a single Wikipedia page that
         | actually links to the Wikipedia page for the Australasian
         | Virtual Herbarium rather than to their website (or just
         | referencing it without any link text).
         | 
         | I suppose I could go in somewhere and add it myself, but that
         | would be cheating. So after 670 seconds, I'm throwing in the
         | towel on this one. If anybody finds a way, let me know, but I
         | may take a crack at this one again later this evening.
        
           | schoen wrote:
           | I used "What Links Here" to find this (just to confirm that
           | it can be done, not that I could find it myself). ROT13:
           | 
           | uggcf://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Nhfgenyvn
           | 
           | uggcf://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Pnaoreen
           | 
           | uggcf://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Nhfgenyvna_Angvbany_Obgnavp_Tne
           | qraf
           | 
           | uggcf://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Nhfgenynfvna_Iveghny_Ureonevhz
           | 
           | I would probably not have been able to find this without
           | using the reverse link feature.
        
       | speeder wrote:
       | My first attempt already was rather easy, I even forgot to jump
       | to my target on first article by using table of contents and
       | instead manually scrolled down.
       | 
       | "Americans" to "Pop music" Time: 54.945 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 3
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Americans", "Culture of the United States",
       | "Michael Jackson", "Pop music" ]
        
       | egello wrote:
       | oh boy! I remember playing this game several years ago.
       | 
       | Here's how my run went:
       | 
       | "800 (number)" to "Video game" Time: 155.120 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 9
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "800 (number)", "Factorial prime",
       | "Integer", "C (programming language)", "Operating system",
       | "Computer program", "Programmer", "Flight simulator", "Space
       | flight simulation game", "Video game" ]
        
       | mypastself wrote:
       | Fun! I got lucky:
       | 
       | --
       | 
       | "Federal Information Processing Standards" to "Cuba"
       | 
       | Time: 38.630 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 2
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Federal Information Processing Standards",
       | "List of FIPS country codes", "Cuba" ]
       | 
       | --
       | 
       | Immediately searched by the string "countr" on the first page.
        
         | zouhair wrote:
         | So you cheated. You are not allowed to use the browser find
         | tool.
        
           | ouid wrote:
           | Nah, he just ran the any%.
        
         | RainaRelanah wrote:
         | > You can't use the browser find tool.
         | 
         | From the rules.
        
           | mypastself wrote:
           | D'oh! Missed that.
           | 
           | I'm sure the number of links would have been the same, but it
           | would take much longer...
        
             | dwringer wrote:
             | Without using the browser find tool I suddenly realize it's
             | nothing like how I usually use Wikipedia. I have to scan a
             | lot differently to find what I'm looking for. I'm not sure
             | if that's a positive or negative thing, since arguably
             | using the find tool biases what we read toward what we
             | _want_ to see rather than something objectively true.
        
       | thebetatester wrote:
       | We used to play this in high school but it was always how many
       | clicks to get to Nazi. We were a clever bunch.
        
       | agluszak wrote:
       | So apparently it tracks pressing "CTRL+F", but it you select
       | "find in page" from the menu in your browser that's fine. I guess
       | there's no way for a website to track that anyway.
        
       | abejfehr wrote:
       | Reminds me of the Wiki Game: https://www.thewikigame.com/
        
       | cdong wrote:
       | This is an awesome game that I played many years ago with
       | friends. I think this is an amazing way to reconnect with friends
       | and just have fun at times
        
         | doomlaser wrote:
         | Another good one in a similar vein is
         | https://www.geoguessr.com/ -- Guess where you are in the world
         | from a random location by hopping around through unlabeled
         | Google Streetview data
        
       | cpeterso wrote:
       | "Impersonal verb" to "September 11 attacks"
       | 
       | Time: 101.131 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 5
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Impersonal verb", "English language",
       | "United States", "List of states and territories of the United
       | States", "New York City", "September 11 attacks" ]
        
       | willis936 wrote:
       | I remember calling this Wikipedia Golf.
        
         | qqqwwweeerrr wrote:
         | Haha, we used to call it Wikipedia Racing.
        
         | aaronharnly wrote:
         | I think Golf is the "fewest clicks" variation. I haven't played
         | the "least time" version, but it seems fun too!
        
       | pxeger1 wrote:
       | I find it much more interesting to play by fewest links clicked.
       | Having a timer running is too much pressure.
        
         | totoglazer wrote:
         | Agreed - feels like fewest links requires more thought and less
         | manic clicking.
        
           | Harvy wrote:
           | Have you tried... Marathon mode? Conserve your clicks but
           | take your time
        
       | mediumcat wrote:
       | If you want to see if your run could have been optimized, Six
       | Degrees of Wikipedia is a neat tool for that.
       | 
       | https://www.sixdegreesofwikipedia.com/
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | jstx1 wrote:
       | Not being able to search the page you're on kind of takes away
       | from the fun.
        
       | aaron695 wrote:
        
       | fernandotakai wrote:
       | Best run so far:
       | 
       | --- "Performative verb" to "Mammal"
       | 
       | Time: 41.101 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 4
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Performative verb", "Verb", "Grammatical
       | gender", "Human", "Mammal" ]
        
       | kickofline wrote:
       | My best run so far: --- "BugGuide" to "Macintosh"
       | 
       | Time: 30.698 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 6
       | 
       | The path you took:
       | 
       | [ "BugGuide", "Website", "Web browser", "Safari (web browser)",
       | "Mac OS X Panther", "MacOS", "Macintosh" ]
        
       | churchill wrote:
        
       | JasonFruit wrote:
       | "Synonym" to "Cantons of Switzerland" Time: 79.737 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 10
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Synonym", "Morpheme", "Linguistics",
       | "Language", "Language family", "Indo-European languages",
       | "Germanic languages", "German language", "Swiss Standard German",
       | "Switzerland", "Cantons of Switzerland" ]
        
       | piaste wrote:
       | Easiest one so far: "Cricket" to "Economics", 5 links in 30
       | seconds via London.
       | 
       | Hardest: "Iceland" to "FIPS", 160 seconds because I spent way too
       | much time looking for anything IT-related on Iceland's page, then
       | decided to try the USAF link and got in through "command and
       | control".
        
       | macNchz wrote:
       | Many years ago as a junior developer, some of the very first non-
       | trivial Python code I wrote was an effort to do this
       | programmatically. It was fun! I remember working on it over time,
       | trying to make it faster and more clever. I learned a ton about
       | graph traversal, parsing HTML outside a browser context, data
       | structures for caching/memoization, and Python itself.
        
       | perch56 wrote:
       | "Computer network" to "Niger" Time: 257.660 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 3
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Computer network", "Internet Assigned
       | Numbers Authority", "Time zone", "Niger" ]
        
       | wolframhempel wrote:
       | Haha, loving it. "Gastropoda" to "Basque language" Time: 111.094
       | Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 5 [ "Gastropoda", "Taxonomy (biology)",
       | "Ancient Greek", "Language family", "Language isolate", "Basque
       | language" ]
        
         | wolframhempel wrote:
         | Also, I challenge everyone to break this record: "History of
         | Christianity" to "University of Cambridge" Number of links
         | visited: 2 [ "History of Christianity", "University of Oxford",
         | "University of Cambridge" ]
        
       | FillardMillmore wrote:
       | Oh man, this is a lot of fun
       | 
       | "Tamil language" to "Republican Party (United States)" Time:
       | 95.330 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 9
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Tamil language", "Indian subcontinent",
       | "United Nations geoscheme for Asia", "United Nations", "Member
       | states of the United Nations", "United States", "List of states
       | and territories of the United States", "Alabama", "Alabama
       | Republican Party", "Republican Party (United States)" ]
        
       | ezoe wrote:
       | This is the random task I can't solve it. To go to the
       | "Australian Plant Name Index" seems to be an impossible task.
       | 
       | https://wikispeedruns.com/play/quick_play?prompt_start=Cleve...
        
         | AdamH12113 wrote:
         | It took me a very long time, but I eventually found it by going
         | through (abbreviated) botany -> taxonomic database ->
         | Encyclopedia of Life -> Atlas of Living Australia -> CSIRO ->
         | Australian National Botanic Gardens -> Australian Plant Name
         | Index.
        
         | TactiFail wrote:
         | Cleveland,Canada,North America,Northern
         | Hemisphere,North,South,Australia,Flora of
         | Australia,Nothofagus,Plants of the World Online,International
         | Plant Names Index,Australian Plant Name Index
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | howderek wrote:
         | Cleveland,List of sovereign states,Australia,Flora of
         | Australia,Eucalyptus,Eucalyptus camaldulensis,Australian Plant
         | Census,Australian Plant Name Index
         | 
         | It is harder than it needs to be because the Taxon Identifiers
         | at the bottom of the page of plant species is missing from the
         | wikispeedruns rendering of the page. That box seems to pretty
         | consistently link to APNI.
        
           | squeaky-clean wrote:
           | The bottom box is against the rules, as well as "See Also"
           | and sidebars. Links from the article text only. Wikispeedrun
           | just renders it without the rulebreaking sections.
           | 
           | There's also some common house rules. No ctrl+f and no back
           | button are fun.
           | 
           | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikirace
        
         | nicky0 wrote:
         | For me ..... Cleveland,United States,Flag of the United
         | States,National flag,Royal Standard of the United
         | Kingdom,Commonwealth realm,Australia,Biodiversity action
         | plan,Biodiversity,Global Biodiversity Information
         | Facility,Biodiversity Information Standards (TDWG),Global
         | Biodiversity Information Facility,Biodiversity
         | informatics,International Plant Names Index,Australian Plant
         | Name Index
         | 
         | Interesting game! Not being able to go backwards makes it much
         | harder.
        
       | bena wrote:
       | The tutorial is infuriating. It tells you to do a thing, but then
       | doesn't let you do it unless you click next, which isn't
       | apparent.
       | 
       | If you tell a person to do a thing, you have to let them do it.
       | If you want people to click the "next" button instead, you tell
       | them to do that.
        
       | driscoll42 wrote:
       | There was a good article from six degrees of wikipedia
       | (https://www.sixdegreesofwikipedia.com/blog/search-results-an...)
       | which would show the ideal path and be cheating, but fun to
       | compare optimal vs what was found.
        
         | sedatk wrote:
         | Also, there's this:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Getting_to_Philosoph...
        
       | Nadya wrote:
       | I've found the trick for these - unless a more obvious/direct
       | path exists (eg. you get two somewhat related topics) is to try
       | and find the Nazis first. I tried to go from Arabic to
       | Science/Mathematics but that didn't pan out so pivoted to the
       | Nazis which were only 3 degrees of separation away.
       | 
       | ----
       | 
       | "Grammatical tense" to "Scientific method" Time: 150.046 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 9
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Grammatical tense", "Arabic", "List of
       | languages by total number of speakers", "Language shift", "Anti-
       | German sentiment", "World War I", "Nazism", "Pseudoscience",
       | "Science", "Scientific method" ]
        
       | Taniwha wrote:
       | pfft - we used to do this in paper encyclopedias in middle school
        
       | anuvrat1 wrote:
       | This is fun!!
       | 
       | "Advanced Audio Coding" to "Butterfly"
       | 
       | Time: 82.087 Seconds
       | 
       | Number of links visited: 7
       | 
       | The path you took: [ "Advanced Audio Coding", "Bell Labs", "C
       | (programming language)", "Compiler", "Debugging", "Software bug",
       | "Moth", "Butterfly" ]
        
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