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Author : eisa01
Score : 291 points
Date : 2022-09-18 16:27 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| LeoPanthera wrote:
| My TV (and everything connected to it) is connected to a power
| strip which is connected to a HomeKit switchable outlet. When I'm
| not watching TV the entire power strip is simply turned off.
|
| Standby power: 0W
| thelopa wrote:
| How much power does the switchable outlet itself draw?
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| That's a good question. I've never measured it... until right
| now. According to my plug-in power meter, half a watt. Which
| I think is the lowest amount the meter can display.
| delfinom wrote:
| Vizio TVs do the same and use about the same 25W. You have to
| turn on "eco mode" in the settings which increases boot time.
| Bud wrote:
| It's really to the point now where we need to ban "smart" TVs,
| since every single one of the manufacturers is demonstrably
| unable to handle the responsibility of engineering these things
| correctly. Sony can't do software, Samsung can't, Google as a
| proxy is even worse than letting Sony do it, TCL can't, Apple
| doesn't make a TV. Nobody can handle it. And it's bad for
| consumers even IF they could do it competently, since TVs need to
| last a decade and none of this software is decently reliable for
| a decade's worth of upgrades.
|
| Fucking ban it and be done with it. If the Euros are going to
| force Apple to adopt USB-C, which is idiotic, then we can do
| this, too, which would actually do some good.
| Forge36 wrote:
| Sure enough my newer (2018?) TV was doing this. Dug into the
| settings and turned on eco mode. Idling around 0.5 to 1 watt now.
|
| Probably time I go around looking at whats eating up power.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Honestly, I can't give a fuck, dude. We have unlimited clean
| energy at our fingertips. If you want me to give a fuck about
| this, first let go of that. I'm for energy production
| maximization so that we can stop worrying about whether this is a
| problem.
| hey2022 wrote:
| Is there a reliable device certification that I should look for
| when buying electronics?
|
| Also, after reading this thread I decided to invest into a power
| consumption metering device.
| Nursie wrote:
| Misleading headline - it's a discussion about one Sony TV, that
| was released in 2015.
|
| Worth checking others, but the headline makes it sound like they
| all do this.
| nottorp wrote:
| From the article and the other HN comments, if they have
| Chromecast enabled by default they do.
| freetime2 wrote:
| I have a different model of Sony TV that I bought in 2019 that
| consumes 16W in standby. Not as bad as 25W, but still far
| higher than I would expect any modern device to consume in
| standby.
| Rizz wrote:
| A modern phone with a 5 Ah ( ~ 18.5 Wh) battery can run for many
| hours streaming to a builtin screen, meaning it uses far less
| (anything over 45 minutes is more energy efficient) than a
| chromecast despite doing more. Same scenario with a laptop with a
| 60 Wh battery, which can also run a long time in idle, and even
| while streaming, and is able to resume from sleep in a second.
| Running more than 2.5 hours on battery means it's more energy
| efficient than a Chromecast.
| eisa01 wrote:
| This may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per
| year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the
| specifications
|
| This would cost more than 50 EUR per year at current prices, and
| is sizeable compared to the average German citizens consumption
| of 1500 kWh electricity
|
| Let's just say this is not ideal given the current energy
| shortage in Europe...
| czottmann wrote:
| Not at the current prices for new customers. I'm currently
| paying 50,07EURct/kWh here in northern Germany.
|
| 25W * 8760h * 0,5EUR = ~109EUR per year.
|
| The price hurts, yes, but the waste of power is _criminal_.
| Someone wrote:
| It also is illegal in the EU for new devices.
| https://ec.europa.eu/info/energy-climate-change-
| environment/...:
|
| _"Network-connected standby devices
|
| Modern appliances are increasingly connected to the internet
| during standby mode, consuming higher amounts of energy. This
| includes networked televisions and decoders, printers, game
| consoles and modems.
|
| - Specific requirements for network-connected standby devices
| were introduced in 2013.
|
| - Since January 2017 networked standby devices must not consume
| more than 3 to 12 Watts depending on the product.
|
| This compares to 20 to 80 Watts previously. This decrease is
| expected to save an additional 36-38 TWh."_
|
| I think this TV is from 2014, so it would have to comply with
| the older regulations, which I think are https://eur-
| lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A..., but that
| doesn't mention anything close to 80W.
|
| It does mention 6W and 12W limits, but only starting at January
| 2015.
|
| = it seems this device doesn't break that regulation.
| rozab wrote:
| Could there be some consequence for misrepresenting the
| standby consumption?
| sidewndr46 wrote:
| There were devices that consumed 80 watts in standby. I have
| a cabinet full of equipment including my cable modem, a
| computer (server, no monitor) with 8 mechanical hard drives.
| The idle current is 76 watts or so. How could something be so
| high?
| xani_ wrote:
| You mean idle "server turned on but not used" or completely
| off ?
|
| Servers usually have out of bands management builtin and
| that's on all the time, even if management network is not
| connected. Should be just few watts tho
| thedrbrian wrote:
| Not tellies but an interesting look by Dave Jones[of
| EEVBLOG fame] into how/why simple devices can use up so
| much power when idle. A lot of it is down to lazy design of
| the AC>DC circuits
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kI8ySvNPdQ
| toxik wrote:
| It's not lazy, it's cost optimized. Like so many times,
| market forces just force any externalities outside the
| price signal.
| londons_explore wrote:
| Audio amplifiers, especially old ones, can easily draw 100
| watts when on 'standby' - ie. the amplifier is turned on
| but playing no sound.
| sidewndr46 wrote:
| If it is a class A amplifier, I think that would make
| sense. But how many people have huge class A amplifiers
| for their home audio?
| londons_explore wrote:
| Old ones...
|
| Everything from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's...
|
| Remember in europe we have a lot more old stuff -
| especially old houses that are family owned for 100+
| years tend not to have things replaced often unless
| they're unrepairable.
|
| Even modern class D amps can be 30+ watts when not
| playing anything tho.
| type0 wrote:
| > 'standby' - ie. the amplifier is turned on but playing
| no sound.
|
| this isn't standby and is a good way for your vintage amp
| to become defective
| londons_explore wrote:
| 'standby' for many devices used to mean 'leave all the
| electronics powered up, but turn the screen/sound off'.
| thakoppno wrote:
| the screen is the primary consumer of energy. i don't
| know but imagine sound is likely more hungry in that
| regard than any of the other discrete systems on a smart
| tv.
|
| edit: additionally tvs that don't turn off are in some
| cases of limited utility.
| lizknope wrote:
| I had a DirecTV satellite receiver with DVR. They rolled
| out an update and made a big deal their new "Energy Star
| ECO power savings mode."
|
| I wondered how much power it could really save because it
| was a DVR with a spinning hard drive that would always
| record the last 30 minutes of the current channel even if
| you didn't set it to record anything explicitly.
|
| So I measured it while on and also in "power savings
| mode" where the video output was off.
|
| 14.5W when on and 14.0W when in "power savings mode"
|
| What a joke.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| It's easy to burn energy when nobody's paying it any
| attention. Mostly by not really idling, I suspect
| Someone wrote:
| Cable modems and servers weren't designed for standby.
|
| Also, if we're talking consumer tech from the 1970's or
| 1980's, I think it's twofold.
|
| Firstly, the market cared more about "time to wake up" than
| about power usage. People had fewer devices, they were
| (relatively) more expensive, and people were used to fully
| switching off stuff, so standby power usage wasn't seen as
| a big issue.
|
| Secondly, the tech itself didn't exist. Nowadays, your
| power supply has a CPU that knows how much power your
| hardware needs and can optimize for it. Then, you would be
| lucky if your hardware had a switching power supply.
|
| CPUs didn't have power states. If you were lucky, you could
| halt them and have them start again on interrupt.
| Hibernation didn't exist, so in computers you'd have to
| power RAM, anyways. And because of that, OSes didn't bother
| with the complex task of properly powering down peripherals
| when going on standby.
| eisa01 wrote:
| The TV came on market in 2015 AFAIK, the C denotes the 2015
| model year
| Scoundreller wrote:
| If it's like cars, they started production and sales 3/4
| through 2014
| eisa01 wrote:
| Don't think so, the thread started in April 2015 :)
| aequitas wrote:
| I have a Sony android tv and with almost every setting (eg.
| brightness, motion blurr processing, etc) I change I get a
| warning it might "increase power consumption". So it might
| just be it is testen under the bare minimum functionality.
| But as soon as you enable any of the advertised features it
| exceeds that.
|
| For the record mine mostly has 1-2W standby consumption. With
| some spikes to 10 or 20W for a few seconds sometimes. And
| once in a while it never enters deep sleep and gets stuck on
| 20W. Enabling HomeKit (Apple TV) on standby is a sure-fire
| way to have it standby on 20W permanently. I can't disable it
| after unless with a factory reset. I've not touched
| Chromecast settings at all so can't say if it has the same
| effect.
| MandieD wrote:
| More than 50 EUR per year at the prices a lot of us contracted
| for _before_ the war for 2022, to make things clearer.
| maccard wrote:
| Right. I'm in Scotland and its closer to PS175/year than
| EUR50
| MandieD wrote:
| Wow, that's worse than anything I've heard about around
| here (northern Bavaria). Power strips with switches are a
| sound economy move, in either situation.
| Saris wrote:
| Especially since an android phone can idle for days on about
| 10Wh of battery, or something like 0.2W.
| explaingarlic wrote:
| This would cost more than 50 EUR per year
|
| Try: EUR200 at current forecasts :/
| blinkingled wrote:
| I have a 2020 model I bought from Costco and as slow and shitty
| the UI is it also still burns 16W in standby.
|
| There isn't a way to disable Chromecast either so thanks for
| nothing Sony and Google.
|
| I need a dumb tv and Nvidia sheild.
|
| Edit: I take the standby power usage part back. After settings
| changes including Eco stuff and something to do with remote start
| and a restart it's at 4W which is very acceptable.
|
| The UI inexcusably still sucks though.
| crazysim wrote:
| There's a dumb tv or pro mode on Sony tvs. Never used it
| though.
| pcdoodle wrote:
| 4W is still pretty bad. Any modern computer will gladly sit
| under 1W ready for a quick wake up.
| yumraj wrote:
| Go to Apps, "See all apps", scroll down, find "Chromecast
| built-in" and then click Disable on the app's settings.
|
| At least that is how it's on my Sony TV.
| blinkingled wrote:
| Thanks, I am already down to 4W after Eco mode, disabling
| remote start and a restart -I sometimes use the Chromecast so
| going to leave it on.
| [deleted]
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| The feature never even worked on mine, every time I tried to
| use it Chrome complained its version was too old or something
| similarly stupid excuse why it wouldnt work.
| ajaimk wrote:
| Doing the math... this would cost me $50 per year in electricity
| bill
| pGuitar wrote:
| I like my dumb monitor that doesn't have cable or even DTV
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television)...
| bagels wrote:
| My 'smart tv', which is used once a week, is plugged in to a
| light switch. Small improvement in privacy and in power
| consumption.
| lizardactivist wrote:
| It's really a problem with how Google Chromecast works, it
| requires the TV to be in a powered-on state.
|
| You can just turn it off.
| gernb wrote:
| How much does an Apple TV 4k 2nd gen use? My 4k first gen turned
| off when I turned off the TV. The 2nd gen does not. I assume it
| has something to do with the iot support
| mradek wrote:
| I bought a 55" LG 4k tv in 2018 and I am so glad that I bought it
| before all this always-on ads-infused nonsense became integrated.
|
| It works great and I hope it lasts a long time.
| laurynas-s wrote:
| Chromecast Ultra also uses 20W in standby.
|
| I was going through the all devices and found that a TV which is
| most of the time off, was using that much power. Now I keep it
| unplugged.
| matt-p wrote:
| The chromecast ultra comes with a 5w power supply (I know, I
| have one and just checked) so this cannot be true.
|
| I don't know about you but I literally don't care about 5w,
| it's getting converted to heat anyway just a bit less
| efficiently than my gas boiler.
| lern_too_spel wrote:
| https://www.howtogeek.com/825416/how-much-energy-are-your-st...
| lists a much different measurement.
| londons_explore wrote:
| Chromecasts in general seem like big power hogs... I don't need
| you to use 20 watts all the time to show a shiny background image
| and a clock...
|
| I really wish users who spend "Just" $/EUR/PS 40 on a Chromecast
| knew that it is going to cost them the same amount every year on
| their bill. I think many of those people wouldn't buy one if they
| realised they are almost buying a subscription.
|
| Google could adjust them to just don't send out any signal unless
| someone is actually casting. The chipset can totally do 0.1 watt
| sleep mode with wifi connected.
| lock-the-spock wrote:
| It was a big eye opener for me when I realised that the
| Chromecast is always warm, even when the TV is off and it's not
| been in use for days. The extension switch is now always off,
| but I wonder how much this device cost me over the past years.
| lolive wrote:
| Just for my understanding: What is the power consumption of a
| Apple TV in idle mode? and of a Raspberry Pi in idle mode?
| xani_ wrote:
| idle as in OS not running is around 2.5W for rPi. No real power
| management on rpi either so you can't sleep.
| closewith wrote:
| According to this article,.3W at idle and up to 5.58W when
| streaming (both measured at the socket):
| https://www.techspot.com/news/95809-streaming-media-player-p...
| Panino wrote:
| If you're wondering how much energy is consumed by your
| electronics, a base model kill-a-watt for about $30 will show you
| watts and cumulative watt-hours. It's a fantastic tool that pays
| for itself besides giving an eye-opening, interesting experience.
| You'd be surprised at the things in your house consuming
| electricity 24/7.
|
| Almost everything in my house is either on power strip surge
| protectors or just unplugged.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| You can also get power strips that toggle power based on how
| much juice the "control" plug is pulling. I have mine set up
| with the TV- when the TV is off, all the other plugs are
| disabled. But when I turn on the TV, it turns on power for the
| Xbox, Steam Link, etc
| pcdoodle wrote:
| For sure!
|
| I found a pioneer amp that sucked 200W sitting there doing
| nothing. No increase when volume was turned up either. I
| compared to an older 1970s model that started at 3w and went up
| from there with the volume.
| HailTheGreenOne wrote:
| That's a difference between class A and B amplifiers. The
| former draw the same power all the time but are very linear,
| the latter don't consume much power at idle in exchange for
| small harmonic distortion.
| dpkirchner wrote:
| Some libraries have meters you can check out.
| [deleted]
| eisa01 wrote:
| I'd actually recommend a wifi smart plug with energy monitoring
|
| Easier to read the display on your phone ;)
| sally_glance wrote:
| Yes, get a cheap IoT plug supported by Tasmota and enjoy
| monitoring, toggling and time-based schedules without "phone
| home" features :-)
| sassy_quat wrote:
| (: guestimates are good enough, everything pales in
| comparison to the freezer, turn that off and the power bill
| goes down
| maccard wrote:
| Nah they're really not. My freezer is basically nothing
| because it only gets opened once every few days. You might
| need a new freezer.
| kadoban wrote:
| Are freezers really that bad? Does it depend if they're
| chest or standup?
|
| I don't remember my bill going up when I added a freezer, I
| didn't really measure though.
| gumby wrote:
| A chest is much better. The reason is intuitive: if you
| open it the cold air remains inside except for a little
| turbulence at the top and, of course, the new air that
| pours in to replace whatever you've just removed.
|
| Whereas, when you open an upright one, cold air
| immediately starts pouring out the bottom of the opening,
| with warmer air coming in at the top to replace it.
| closewith wrote:
| The thermal mass of the air is tiny - cooling it is
| negligible.
|
| Chest freezers have better insulation and door seals,
| which is why they're more efficient.
| akira2501 wrote:
| Your energy use is going to be much more impacted by how
| full you keep your freezer. For the same reason.. the
| more product you have in there, the less air you have in
| there.
|
| Your chest freezer will typically use about the same
| about of yearly kWh as a standing freezer would, but the
| chest freezer will typically have about 30% more
| capacity.
|
| So.. it's "better," but if you're not going to keep it
| full, you may not actually be saving any total energy.
| briHass wrote:
| Modern freezers really aren't that bad. Chest freezers
| being better than standing, because less of the cold air
| escapes when it is opened.
|
| The US requires all consumer appliances to have an Energy
| Guide sticker (the yellow and black thing) which
| estimates an annual KWh use and cost at average electric
| prices. My cheapo 4cuft chest freezer uses about 200 KWh
| annually, or about $25. Not nothing, but $2 a month isn't
| going to register compared to most things.
| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| Actually a freezer only averages like 25-50 watts. It pulls
| a lot of power when the compressor is running, but the
| compressor usually isn't running.
| akira2501 wrote:
| Yea, but it keeps my food cool and thus edible for several
| days longer than it otherwise would. Power usage of a
| device isn't the problem, power used not doing useful work
| for me is.
| lostmsu wrote:
| I got a bunch of TP-Link Kasa devices of that sort. Awesome.
| denysonique wrote:
| A generic plug consumption meter is around $10 on eBay
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| Television isn't my primary choice for media, but when I do I
| just unplug it when I'm done. 0W standby. Same for basically
| everything other than the refrigerator and wifi.
| baq wrote:
| You don't want to do this with an OLED TV though.
| [deleted]
| thfuran wrote:
| I don't want to do that with anything. It's ridiculous to
| have to go through the trouble of doing that.
| ciupicri wrote:
| Why not?
| ErneX wrote:
| OLEDs do pixel refreshing every once in a while while
| turned off, but they require power to do this obviously.
| tintedfireglass wrote:
| Why? does turning off an oled TV cause problems?
| baq wrote:
| Yes. OLEDs run a short matrix refresh cycle every few
| working hours and a long one every hundred or so after you
| put them to standby; you probably won't break anything, but
| the TV quality will degrade quicker. (Not sure about the
| not breaking part, though ;) I leave mine powered on.)
| aqfamnzc wrote:
| Is that the case with all OLED displays? like a phone
| screen, etc.?
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| It needs power or it degrades faster? Sounds like a great
| reason for me to never buy an OLED tv.
| baq wrote:
| There are plenty of reasons to not get one and they don't
| matter since for me no other TV technology even remotely
| makes sense due to picture quality being so vastly
| superior than anything except plasma.
| paganel wrote:
| > vastly superior than anything except plasma.
|
| One more reason for me to cherish my 2011 plasma TV.
| Also, it has none of that smart-tv non-sense, which is a
| big plus.
| GuB-42 wrote:
| Since the topic is power draw, it is important to note
| that plasma TVs require much more power than LCD and
| OLED, at least when they are turned on. By how much is
| not trivial but it is usually at least double for a
| similar sized screen.
|
| Of course, if your new TV is using 25W in standby, it
| doesn't really matter, but I am assuming something
| reasonable here.
| [deleted]
| ValentineC wrote:
| I'm seeing videos and articles saying that leaving it on is
| to let the OLED pixels refresh every 4 hours. How important
| is it, really?
|
| The pixel refresh thing doesn't seem to make any scientific
| sense to me as a layperson.
| Mindless2112 wrote:
| Might be worth finding out whether you're wasting your time. As
| measured on a Kill-a-Watt, my 2013 LG TV consumes 0.0 watts
| when on standby.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| If you do it right it's hardly a waste of time worth
| considering. My TV is plugged into an outlet that is
| controlled by a lightswitch, so I don't need to contort
| myself around furniture to reach to 'unplug' it. In other
| situations, I've used a power strip placed so the switch on
| the strip is easily accessible, sticking out from behind the
| cabinet. Even if the power draw on _this_ TV is negligible, I
| think it 's a habit worth maintaining because it costs me
| nothing and it will save me having to reacquire the habit in
| the future with new appliances. Also part of me feels
| reassured that technology has not yet rendered me too lazy to
| use a simple switch.
| Mindless2112 wrote:
| That is less effort that I was envisioning. But personally
| I prefer to take the stance of not inviting power vampires
| into my house.
| [deleted]
| unixhero wrote:
| I even have a separate chromecast connected to my Sony tv. The
| builtin doesn't appear until the TV has booted up and is nicely
| ready for use. While the original chrome cast ultra I can reach
| no matter what, and casting to it starts the TV up.
| [deleted]
| brnt wrote:
| I have every single device plugged in to a switchable extension
| cord for this reason. No need to trust a manufacturer, not even a
| 1-5W consumption (times the number of devices).
| foepys wrote:
| I also put everything except my fridge, freezer, and router on
| switchable extension cords. Why waste even a single watt-hour
| on things I don't use?
| RL_Quine wrote:
| It feels like over optimization. The base load of my house is
| around 1kW which is still completely irrelevant in the scheme
| of how much owning the property costs. The literal cost
| you're adding as well as the mental cost of having to switch
| things on and off all the time shouldn't be ignored. There's
| a timer on the outlets for the soldering gear though, that
| adds a bit of peace of mind.
| brnt wrote:
| Is heating/hot water in that 1.5kW?
| RL_Quine wrote:
| Heating and hot water is gas, cooling is electric.
| brnt wrote:
| Amazing. That's about a factor 4 more than average total
| consumption around here. Which I am beating by almost a
| factor 2.
| zbrozek wrote:
| In the PG&E service territory in California, that base load
| will run you about $5500 annually. That's more than the
| property tax on my townhouse.
| maccard wrote:
| Thays 50x the base load of my house, and would cost
| thousands a year to run idle. With current costs in the UK,
| close to $10,000
| julianlam wrote:
| I have a Sony Bravia from the 2010s (a dumb one) that has a
| standby mode, engaged when you power off the TV via remote.
|
| The TV also turns off-off when you use the physical button, but
| there's seemingly no functional difference, the unit still powers
| on via remote if fully off.
|
| I have a feeling that all the physical power button really does
| is put the unit on standby, but also turn off the little red
| standby LED.
| ThePowerOfFuet wrote:
| > the unit still powers on via remote if fully off.
|
| Then it's not fully off.
|
| > I have a feeling that all the physical power button really
| does is put the unit on standby, but also turn off the little
| red standby LED.
|
| Sounds about right.
| freetime2 wrote:
| Just checked my Sony Android TV from 2019 and found it is drawing
| 16W while turned off. Turning off the Chromecast built-in
| service, the remote start service, and enabling Eco mode did not
| seem to make a difference.
|
| I already disliked this TV and was unlikely to buy another from
| Sony (for example occasionally it will "crash" while in standby
| mode and stop responding to any input, requiring me to unplug it
| and plug it back in). But learning this further damages my
| opinion of both Sony and Google.
| gausswho wrote:
| Chromecast doesn't have a power sleep mode right? I e always
| wondered why especially since it can CEC power on when asked to.
| Maybe there's a device that I can use to proxy between Chromecast
| and TV to do this?
| kevincox wrote:
| I use the chromecast to wake up the TV via CEC. Just starting
| to play something will turn on the TV.
|
| If only it could turn off the TV instead of showing the
| wallpapers it would be perfect.
| jerlam wrote:
| Could be a poor implementation of Chromecast standard when
| integrated into the TV's.
|
| My Chromecast connected to my TV is also powered by a USB port on
| the TV. It seems to turn off when the TV is in standby, I have to
| wait for it to initialize when I turn my TV on. This detail could
| have been easily lost over the years.
|
| I do agree with people who say the Chromecast was best when it
| first came out. It did one thing well (albeit in an indirect
| way). Like all hardware, it has been slowly adding more and more
| features that will require it to draw more power, connect to the
| internet more, track more usage, integrate with more Google
| services, etc.
| eisa01 wrote:
| That may be the TV not delivering power to the USB port when in
| standby
|
| That's how this Sony behaves
| interestica wrote:
| I've a 2015 model that's becoming harder to use because of the
| outdated software and I'm not sure of a fix. The panel still
| looks great.
| 5co wrote:
| pier25 wrote:
| Depending on what you do either get an Nvidia Shield or an
| AppleTV.
|
| I'd recommend the Shield for Plex or the AppleTV for streaming
| Netflix, etc.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Yeah I don't even bother with the built in "smarts". Turn off
| wifi and bluetooth, don't plug in ethernet, and hook up a
| decent streaming box like an Apple TV or Shield. With that,
| it doesn't matter how outdated the TV's software is.
| vladgur wrote:
| AppleTV is fully capable of playing local content. You can
| either use Infuse player or sideload Kodi
| duskwuff wrote:
| You can also install VLC for the Apple TV (it's on the App
| Store). It can play content from local network shares.
| huhtenberg wrote:
| In which way is it becoming harder to use? The smart TV part of
| it?
| interestica wrote:
| It's simple enough to say "use an exterior device" (which I
| do), but even input switching is managed in software and can
| be a nightmare sometimes. It would be great if there was just
| a light OS install. It'd likely bring the power use down as
| well.
| toast0 wrote:
| If you don't use live TV, consider using an external HDMI
| switch (or a receiver) so that the TV can stay on a single
| input?
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Can recommend the receiver route, at least if you also
| want to have a decent speaker setup (even just 2.1
| stereo+sub). Receiver firmware is more more minimal and
| no-nonsense, plus most receivers have physical remote
| buttons for all inputs which makes switching faster.
| jbotdev wrote:
| I have a Sony OLED TV from 2020 with Android TV and Chromecast,
| and power usage on my UPS is reporting as 0W when off (probably
| rounding down). I never had to disable it, but I also never setup
| network connectivity or the Android TV features in the first
| place.
| mring33621 wrote:
| Horrible site. Twice bothered me to login and then went gray on
| gray, very hard to read
| glowingly wrote:
| Never bothered me to login. FF 104 with ublock origin. Black on
| white.
|
| Relevant posts:
|
| > I measured the standby power consumption on my set, and it
| uses an extreme 23 W, or 200 kWh per year For context, this
| would be approx 10% of the average consumption of a German...
|
| > My Apple TV uses 1.2 W in standby
|
| > Have anyone else measured their set and seen similar figures?
| Any way to lower it? > I tried setting Eco to high, and that
| lowered it by a whopping 0.5 W in standby to 22.5...
|
| > edit: According to the specs, it's supposed to draw 0.5 W in
| standby? What is going on? >
| https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/televisions-project...
|
| > Thanks, I had already turned off remote start (it lowered
| standby by 0.5 W). Remote Device Settings did not affect it
| much either
|
| > I reset the TV to factory settings, set it up without logging
| in to Google, and declining all privacy policies and "extra"
| services. Still idling around 23 W
|
| > After some trial and error, disconnecting the ethernet cable
| seems to be the trick. Then the TV is able to idle at 0.5 W
| after a few minutes
|
| > Something must be terribly wrong with the software though,
| that keeps the SoC active if it has internet connectivity? I
| found in the Norwegian specs that "network standby" should draw
| only 1 W
|
| > I'm no longer using the smart features after I upgraded to an
| Apple TV last year, so in principle this is not a problem for
| me to lose Chromecast, but it is quite irresponsible of Sony to
| have such buggy firmware
|
| [EDIT: I forgot to include the concluding post:]
|
| > Indeed, I disabled Chromecast from the app menu and then the
| SoC is powering down to the 0.5-1W levels after a minute or so
|
| > So to summarize: > If the TV has a network connection and
| Chromecast is enabled, the SoC is not powering down such that
| the set idles at roughly 25W instead of the 0.5-1W per the
| specifications
|
| > This is not good if it applies to more people than me, as
| each set would consume about 200 kWh per year in standby
|
| > German households consume 130 TWh electricity per year, or
| 1500 kWh per person. So this is sizeable in an European
| setting, and would help tremendously with the electricity
| saving targets that may come this winter due to the war
|
| > Now, how to get the attention of Sony and Google to fix this?
| This may even be in breach of the ecodesign guidelines!
|
| by eisa01
| mey wrote:
| For comparison, my external Nvidia shield (2019) consumes around
| 3W in standby and 8W max.
|
| https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_shield_android_...
| funstuff007 wrote:
| has anyone used these shields to convert old VHS tapes to
| digital?
| agilob wrote:
| Ok so... Why would you ask this question? Can you convert
| them using another chromecasted device?
| Grazester wrote:
| And this has built in Chromecast.
|
| I love my Shield.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| I love that my home screen is now jammed full of bullshit and
| it cannot be used without a Google account and if you use
| your personal Google account Nvidia needs a ton of
| permissions.
|
| Other than that I actually do the love the little device but
| I feel more and more jerked around when I shell out only to
| have junk foisted on me later.
| scarface74 wrote:
| I thought about getting a Shield. But only as a low
| maintenance Plex Server appliance. I wouldn't voluntarily
| look at any interface on my TV designed by an ad company.
|
| I have a few Roku TVs around my house and I recommend them
| to most people. But I also have AppleTVs connected to my
| most used TVs.
| lizknope wrote:
| All the ads on the home screen suck now. When I first got
| my shield I made another account just for it because I
| didn't want it connected with the rest of my google stuff.
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