[HN Gopher] What to read to become a better writer
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       What to read to become a better writer
        
       Author : gglanzani
       Score  : 97 points
       Date   : 2022-09-24 11:30 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | trenning wrote:
       | Two books which I read this year that have helped me become a
       | better writer are,
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       | Charles Bukowski On Writing
       | 
       | Kurt Vonnegut Letters
       | 
       | These books aren't so much about how to write better but more so
       | a look into the minds of two good authors. Helped me get over
       | some of the hurdles of writing. Probably not very useful if
       | you're looking to be an improved work document writer but for
       | creative writing they were great.
        
         | bigmattystyles wrote:
         | Add Orwell's essay on the English language.
         | https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...
        
       | zeroonetwothree wrote:
       | This isn't very interesting, these are all well known books you
       | can find listed elsewhere. I was hoping for something original.
        
         | ayewo wrote:
         | At the end of the article, they link to their online writing
         | course that costs PS1,475 so this is more of an ad than an
         | attempt at originality.
         | 
         | https://education.economist.com/courses/professionalcommunic...
        
       | freddyym wrote:
       | Orwell's Politics and the English Language is a masterful essay.
       | Forget that he gets his own rules wrong when setting them (twice)
       | - but it rarely fails. It also happens to be the basis for the
       | Economist's style guide...
        
       | kwijibob wrote:
       | I clicked with interest.
       | 
       | Ugly cookie popup was the first thing I read.
       | 
       | Then some big ads at the top and sides begged for my attention.
       | 
       | Next was the paywall box selling me some complicated subscription
       | deal.
       | 
       | Dreaming of a world wide web that cherishes writing.
        
       | eatonphil wrote:
       | The books that (I think) made the biggest impact on my writing
       | are Zinsser's On Writing Well, everything Hemingway (e.g. The Sun
       | Also Rises, A Moveable Feast), Antoine de Saint-Exupery's Wind,
       | Sand and Stars, and Beryl Markham's West with the Night.
       | 
       | The common theme being simplicity and informal, but correct,
       | speech.
        
       | snitzr wrote:
       | How to Write, Speak and Think More Effectively by Rudolph Flesch
       | is still a great book and good bang for your buck. I got mine on
       | bookfinder.com
        
         | copperx wrote:
         | Huh, spam bots are getting better every day. That's a good book
         | suggestion.
        
       | koheripbal wrote:
       | I have found re-reading my own writing helps tremendously.
       | 
       | We often do not appreciate how vague we are and how many biases
       | we embed in our writing until we read them again outside of our
       | current mindset.
       | 
       | This is why portant emails should be composed, and then wait
       | until later before re-reading.
       | 
       | You will often find yourself rewriting entire communications
       | because your original message was
       | unclear/emotional/combative/etc...
        
         | blockwriter wrote:
         | I've been doing an exhaustive review of my diaries from the
         | last 6 odd years. I am amazed by how many sentences start with
         | one idea, lapse in the middle, and conclude almost as if
         | another person had taken over. Evidently, some thought had
         | transpired in that interval, but I failed to transcribe it to
         | the page.
        
         | eatonphil wrote:
         | > portant emails
         | 
         | portant?
        
           | exac wrote:
           | The point is that re-reading catches errors, like the
           | spelling of "important".
        
         | tomrod wrote:
         | > This is why portant emails should be composed, and then wait
         | until later before re-reading.
         | 
         | Not sure if intentional, but if so this was a fantastic way to
         | emphasize your point!
        
       | mattbee wrote:
       | My recommendation is _First You Write a Sentence._ by Joe Moran.
       | It feels like a recent classic and I re-read chapters all the
       | time.
        
       | chiefalchemist wrote:
       | I've read the Pinker book. There were some useful takeaways.
       | However, in general I found it long winded which is ironic as
       | most writing tips include a recommendation of brevity.
       | 
       | Read it if you feel you must, but lower your expectations.
        
       | TeacherTortoise wrote:
       | https://archive.ph/38AGY
        
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       | montefischer wrote:
       | From Schopenhauer's essay, "On reading and books":
       | 
       | > No literary quality can be attained by reading writers who
       | possess it: be it, for example, persuasiveness, imagination, the
       | gift of drawing comparisons, boldness or bitterness, brevity or
       | grace, facility of expression or wit, unexpected contrasts, a
       | laconic manner, naivete, and the like. But if we are already
       | gifted with these qualities--that is to say, if we possess them
       | potentia--we can call them forth and bring them to consciousness;
       | we can discern to what uses they are to be put; we can be
       | strengthened in our inclination, nay, may have courage, to use
       | them; we can judge by examples the effect of their application
       | and so learn the correct use of them; and it is only after we
       | have accomplished all this that we actu possess these qualities.
       | This is the only way in which reading can form writing, since it
       | teaches us the use to which we can put our own natural gifts; and
       | in order to do this it must be taken for granted that these
       | qualities are in us. Without them we learn nothing from reading
       | but cold, dead mannerisms, and we become mere imitators.
       | 
       | Gutenberg link:
       | https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11945/11945-h/11945-h.htm#li...
        
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         | mjw1007 wrote:
         | Did Schopenhauer go on to give any reasons to believe that the
         | things he was claiming there are true?
        
         | xboxnolifes wrote:
         | I dislike this view, for learning to write or anything else. It
         | has an implicit assertion that all human quality is innate, and
         | we only ever learn how to recognize and express it. This means
         | that we can never actually learn anything new, we can only
         | learn new ways to pull from our innate quality, and everything
         | else is just imitation.
         | 
         | It implies we are born with some sort of immutable value locked
         | inside of us, which I disagree with.
        
           | rizzom5000 wrote:
           | I read it more like the word 'attain' means to internalize
           | those writing abilities are your own; and reading others will
           | not work to achieve developing such an ability. As such, this
           | advice is about the same as most advice I've seen from great
           | writers - read a lot, but write more.
        
       | geocrasher wrote:
       | Stephen King, On Writing. No matter what your writing style is or
       | what your subject matter is, be it fiction or not, this book will
       | turn any writer into a better writer.
       | 
       | Note that I didn't say it'll turn any writer into a good writer.
       | It'll turn them into a better one. A good writer could become
       | great and a terrible writer can become slightly less terrible.
       | It's all subjective.
       | 
       | One thing I've learned is that some people have a way with words
       | and some just don't. And there's nothing wrong with that. But all
       | of us need to write at some point and that book will definitely
       | help because it helps the person focus on what's most important
       | to the story rather than what's the most important to the writer.
        
         | notart666 wrote:
         | That's not how that works. Writing is about practice,
         | repetition and feedback. Improvement is gradual and lifelong to
         | say that only certain kinds of people get better is a pretty
         | bad take. Anyone can become competent at writing. It's just
         | many do not have the prerequisite requirements to begin
         | improving on certain parts and never learn of their deficencies
         | or how to fix them.
        
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       | ohiovr wrote:
       | I found recording a read aloud of what I write helps me condense
       | writing flow.
        
         | weekendvampire wrote:
         | 100%. After I'm done with my last draft I always read the whole
         | thing loudly, and end up changing at least a word or two in
         | every paragraph. Usually it's the small stuff - eg. using "he
         | instead went" instead of "instead he went" because my brain
         | expects a sentence a certain way that "flows" well and I've
         | written something else.
        
           | jamiek88 wrote:
           | I've developed that further to getting Siri to read it out to
           | me.
        
         | ayewo wrote:
         | Even better is to listen to how your words flow using a Text-
         | to-Speech (TTS) tool. I got this tip on HN.
         | 
         | I use it a lot for long articles that I've already spent far
         | too much time editing to help me catch sentences that could be
         | broken up for clarity.
        
           | waboremo wrote:
           | This is an amazing tip! I use TTS quite a lot for checking
           | certain accessibility issues, never once thought to use it
           | for my own writing.
        
       | queuebert wrote:
       | That is a pretty low effort list.
       | 
       | I have read dozens and dozens of books on writing, and for non-
       | fiction nothing beats Writing with Style by Trimble.
        
       | pdm55 wrote:
       | Walter Mosley made an interesting observation about the writing
       | process. When he rereads his first draft of a novel, he notes the
       | places where the words go awry: where something is amiss; where a
       | character seems shallow, poorly developed. (I'm just recalling
       | this from memory.) Mosely simply notes those spots in the novel.
       | And keeps reading. Right to the end. He says he finds that when
       | he fixes those sections, that's when the writing starts to
       | sparkle.
       | 
       | The book I read was Mosley, "This is the Year You Write Your
       | Novel".
       | 
       | I guess his message is to not be aggrieved when one's writing
       | seems like sh*t. That observation might be the start of a good
       | piece of writing.
       | 
       | Alternatively there's the quip of Oscar Wilde: "I was working on
       | the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took out a
       | comma. In the afternoon I put it back again."
        
       | skilled wrote:
       | There's no such thing as _better writer_. You either have passion
       | and then use inspiration to fuel that passion or you don 't. Not
       | everyone is privileged to have higher-education or have the
       | ability to learn the entire Oxford dictionary.
       | 
       | I've worked with editors at Fast Company, Entrepreneur,
       | TheNextWeb and others, and I have not _ever_ tried to read a book
       | to make myself a better writer. What does that even mean?
       | 
       | And on numerous occasions I have gotten away with submitting
       | first drafts that get published "as is" without anyone telling me
       | otherwise. Am I some omnipotent writer, or were the editors
       | incompetent? I doubt it.
       | 
       | I think what a lot of people also don't understand about writing
       | is that some of the best work out there (articles, books, etc.),
       | for the person who put it out - it can be compared to having
       | participated in a triathlon because it has THAT immense of an
       | effect on your mental state of being.
       | 
       | Want to be a better writer? Find out what your passion is and
       | write about that. No book and no order of semicolons is going to
       | make you "better" unless what you write about is what lights the
       | fire underneath your feet.
        
         | GavinMcG wrote:
         | > Not everyone is privileged to have higher-education or have
         | the ability to learn the entire Oxford dictionary.
         | 
         | That you bring up education and vocabulary suggests that you
         | _do_ think there 's such a thing as better writers. One obvious
         | example: compare a given three-year-old to you. You are almost
         | certainly a better writer. Compare _you_ at three years old to
         | today. Same story.
         | 
         | Sure, you may be right that passion is required. But why
         | dismiss skill?
        
           | skilled wrote:
           | Exactly, I am talking about _skill_ and the use of words as a
           | means to add flare to a story, but it does not make you
           | _better_. Just because you can translate a black and white
           | story (which conveys the message /lesson) using all the
           | colors of a rainbow does not make you better.
        
             | GavinMcG wrote:
             | Do you mean "flair"?
             | 
             | You're right that people can disagree about what to value,
             | but I'd think that given a set of values, maximizing them
             | is better than not. If you're a writer who does care about
             | using all the colors of a rainbow, doesn't learning how to
             | use indigo and orange make you _better_ than when you only
             | knew black, white, red, and green?
        
         | dasil003 wrote:
         | > _Want to be a better writer? Find out what your passion is
         | and write about that. No book and no order of semicolons is
         | going to make you "better" unless what you write about is what
         | lights the fire underneath your feet._
         | 
         | That's fine if your goal is to become a Writer. However if
         | writing is just the means to the end of communicating an idea
         | or persuading an audience, then it may not be possible to align
         | your passion. That doesn't make improving your technique any
         | less important or achievable though.
        
           | skilled wrote:
           | Yes, and that what's I'm arguing. There should be a
           | distinction whenever a title such as "read this to become
           | better" is presented, especially for writing.
           | 
           | There's no consideration for the absolute basic level of
           | entry to writing, and it imposes on the person an unrealistic
           | perspective which may lead that person on a meaningless
           | journey on "becoming" something that they are inherently not
           | able to become.
           | 
           | Hence me mentioning higher education. I'm well aware of
           | people who are absolute artists with words, but that same
           | story can be said/explained in practical ways.
           | 
           | Perhaps I should have made that clearer.
        
             | GavinMcG wrote:
             | It seems like you're using a different definition of
             | "better" than the article author or most of the people
             | responding to your comment. You seem to treat things as a
             | binary - as though the headline is only justified if it can
             | take a non-writer and turn them into a writer. And in that
             | light, your criticism makes sense: reading an article isn't
             | going to do the job without passion and a certain latent
             | capability.
             | 
             | But I'd suggest that others mean "better" in the _relative_
             | sense of  "greater than" or "more" and mean it to refer to
             | skill or dexterity of a sort. If someone has a certain
             | degree of skill or dexterity - the degree that makes them a
             | member of the article's target audience - then, the author
             | is claiming, they can increase their skill by engaging with
             | the recommended material. And I'm curious whether you
             | disagree with _that_ position.
             | 
             | If you agree with it, this might just be a case where
             | people are talking past each other based on different
             | definitions, despite agreeing about the substance of the
             | article.
        
         | copperx wrote:
         | Thank you. I'm not a writer, but there's an undeniable urge to
         | communicate when I feel excited about something, especially
         | when I have synthesized new knowledge. I suspect this urge is
         | universal.
         | 
         | That being said, achieving clarity often requires tremendous
         | effort.
        
         | greymalik wrote:
         | > There's no such thing as better writer
         | 
         | If someone hones their craft such that they become more
         | effective at articulating their thoughts, at making their
         | argument more persuasive, at moving their audience, at reaching
         | more people, wouldn't we say that they've become a better
         | writer than they used to be?
        
           | skilled wrote:
           | I'd call those people marketers.
        
             | unlaxedneurotic wrote:
             | Say there are two people with same understanding of a
             | nuanced argument. One fails to articulate that argument in
             | a written form such that the reader is able to understand
             | it. The other is successful in doing that. I'll say the
             | second person is a better writer. No marketing involved.
        
       | awinter-py wrote:
       | what to write to become a better writer
        
       | harrylove wrote:
       | [insert Sean Bean "One does not simply read to become..." meme]
       | 
       | I don't make a living as a writer but writing has made my living.
       | Here's my advice to improve as a writer in general, not as a
       | writer of a specific genre or purpose, and not to improve a
       | specific piece of writing.
       | 
       | 0. All advice needs salt.
       | 
       | 1. Recognize that all writing is personal and all reading is
       | subjective. No one has a perfect lens. Be willing to be wrong.
       | Even if you're right, guaranteed someone else thinks you're
       | wrong.
       | 
       | 2. Are you writing to be authentic or writing to be popular?
       | Writing to persuade or to inspire? To amuse or confront? All of
       | those may be in conflict at times. Recognize and accept the
       | conflict, then make your choices in peace. See rule #1.
       | 
       | 3. Everyone loves simple language.
       | 
       | 4. But try not to be bland. This is the value of rhythm, voice,
       | word choice, tropes and schemes, idioms, patterns, and so on.
       | 
       | 5. There really is something to copying other people's writing as
       | a way of finding your own writing voice. So you need to read
       | widely to find people worth copying. In general, avoid the angry
       | advice writers.
       | 
       | 6. Practice. Click the Publish button once in a while. You don't
       | end up pitching for the Yankees by reading about baseball.
       | 
       | 7. Writing is pretty fantastic, isn't it?
       | 
       | 8. Language evolves. Just like foxes and toaster ovens. Accept
       | it. Thank people for their critique of your apparent misuse of
       | language and then please continue challenging the rules.
       | 
       | 9.
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       | 10. Leave something to the imagination. Think of it like an
       | offering to the gods.
       | 
       | 11. No one cares about your writing as much as you do. See rule
       | #1.
        
         | adamisom wrote:
         | Damn good writing.
        
         | roland35 wrote:
         | What's rule #9?!? I need to know!
        
         | stanislavb wrote:
         | Thank you!
        
         | darkteflon wrote:
         | Superb.
        
       | sverona wrote:
       | Vernacular Eloquence by Peter Elbow is my go-to.
        
       | dnc wrote:
       | An essay on writing by Raymond Carver [1] (as well as pretty much
       | anything by Raymond Carver and authors he mentions in the essay
       | :)). It's about good fiction writing, but, I think, good to keep
       | in mind for writing in general.
       | 
       | [1] https://bryanafern.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/on-writing-
       | ra...
        
         | notjulianjaynes wrote:
         | No discussion of Carver is complete without mentioning his
         | relationship with editor Gordon Lish.
         | 
         | >Carver had been up all night reviewing Lish's severe editorial
         | cuts--two stories had been slashed by nearly seventy per cent,
         | many by almost half; many descriptions and digressions were
         | gone; endings had been truncated or rewritten--and he was
         | unnerved to the point of desperation.
         | 
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20220617140639/http://www.newyor...
        
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