[HN Gopher] Matrix: Third Room Tech Preview [video]
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Matrix: Third Room Tech Preview [video]
Author : todsacerdoti
Score : 20 points
Date : 2022-09-28 21:47 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| Gigachad wrote:
| I love Matrix but it's really weird that they are spending time
| building a metaverse when there is still a lot to be desired in
| the plain instant messaging side. The server is still fairly slow
| even on their paid hosting plans, and stickers have been left in
| a half complete state for years now.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I don't think it's much of a metaverse competitor to be honest.
| I think they're just really happy with their federated message
| multi-receiver message exchange protocol and are experimenting
| with software that go beyond your standard messenger.
|
| There's not a lot features and popularity to be gained over
| more mature messengers. You need killer features to get out
| into the market. For Signal that's privacy, for Telegram it's
| UX, for Line/WhatsApp/WeChat it's omnipresence in certain
| areas, for iMessage it's preinstalled vendor-lock-in, for SMS
| it's "works everywhere". Even email can be used as a chat app
| these days (DeltaChat uses it as a protocol for their
| messenger, I believe) so what's the point of trying to get into
| the messenger market?
|
| So far, the places I've seen Matrix get popular are mostly
| among researchers/tech enthusiast spaces and open source
| products that needed something that was better than IRC but
| self-hostable enough. That's not a market with a lot of
| potential.
|
| I see some real advantages to some of these experiments.
| Stuffing collaborative document editing into a federated
| protocol like this is quite interesting, for example,
| especially combined with some ACLs. It's not something that
| many other protocols are well suited for and it might just
| prevent Element from fading away into obscurity like XMPP.
| Spunkie wrote:
| It seems to me matrix wants to encompass all forms of
| communication, vrchat being one of those.
|
| The marketing about it being a "metaverse" seems misplaced even
| if its technically true or not.
| Arathorn wrote:
| We tried to explain in the main https://thirdroom.io/preview
| blog that TR is a tiny team of three people who are driven by
| 3D and probably wouldn't otherwise be working on Matrix...
| while the rest of the Matrix core team is way bigger and
| frantically working away improving the core protocol and
| reference implementations, which are actually getting way
| better.
|
| https://matrix.org/blog/2022/08/15/the-matrix-summer-special...
| is a recent overview of all the perf and reliability work going
| on there.
|
| Meanwhile, TR is genuinely groundbreaking (i get 120fps
| fullscreen on my MBP in Chrome, which blows my mind), quite
| aside from the fact it doesn't require any infrastructure
| beyond a normal Matrix homeserver. So please don't throw the
| baby out with the bathwater!
| j3s wrote:
| part of me wishes the matrix folks would give their core software
| more love instead of embarking on side projects. basic things
| that have been missing for years include: -
| custom emojis - easy to use moderation tools - an
| admin dashboard - databases that don't grow to 200+GB and
| require strange manual compression - message edits sending
| notifications
|
| i'm a matrix user & really want the ecosystem to succeed, but
| helping operate cyberia.club's matrix system been expensive, to
| say the least.
|
| the shining light that i see in the distance is basically an
| open, federated Discord. but the more p2p and metaverse centric
| matrix gets, the less hope i tend to have for its future. it
| might be hard to stay away from that now, given their backers[1].
|
| i hope i'm wrong!! trying to stay positive. matrix is still great
| software, and it has served us well.
|
| [1]: https://venturebeat.com/data-infrastructure/element-
| bolsters...
| mccorrinall wrote:
| Try cinny.in
|
| It's much better than element. It implements stickers, custom
| emojis and just feels much better than element.
| Arathorn wrote:
| at the risk of repeating my other comment, we are doing a tonne
| of work to improve core Matrix. Third Room is a totally
| different and much smaller team.
| https://matrix.org/blog/2022/08/15/the-matrix-summer-special...
| details some of the ongoing work; and selfserve moderation is
| coming soon, as are custom emoji (which exists as a Matrix
| proposal, and many clients already implement it - just not
| Element yet).
|
| Unsure which of Element's investors you think would be pushing
| Matrix towards virtual worlds - both Protocol Labs and
| Metaplanet are looking on with interest, but I'm afraid the
| push to build out richer-than-chat comms on Matrix is all me &
| my cofounder Amandine rather than driven by them!
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