[HN Gopher] Socialist Romania Computer Chips
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       Socialist Romania Computer Chips
        
       Author : picture
       Score  : 61 points
       Date   : 2022-09-29 20:00 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.cpushack.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.cpushack.com)
        
       | 9front wrote:
       | Socialist Romania did not pay to license Western chip
       | technologies. All production was based on stolen IP. Ceausescu
       | had a vast spy network stealing everything they could from
       | abroad. The spy network was dismantled when Pacepa, the
       | mastermind behind it, defected to US in 1978.
        
         | thriftwy wrote:
         | Participation in cross-border intellectual property agreements
         | is voluntary. Even though it is more "forced voluntary" these
         | days. But it is not an unalienable right.
        
         | yrgulation wrote:
         | Romania had the strongest ties with the western world among
         | communist bloc states, and as such access to some technology:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronics_industry_in_the_So...
         | 
         | The pacepa event you are referring to is when ceausescu was
         | directed by the russians to "penetrate" texas instruments. Here
         | is an article about it from 1985:
         | https://apnews.com/article/e45f1f4ba20cfa8c6e400948177970ed
        
         | flohofwoe wrote:
         | Same for East German chips (mainly Z80 and family), but with
         | the Western CoCom embargo in place for anything that was more
         | advanced than a toaster [1] there wasn't really a legal way to
         | obtain a license anyway.
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinating_Committee_for_Mul...
        
           | masswerk wrote:
           | It is to be mentioned, though, that some of the Eastern Bloc
           | chips were only on the outside identical to the Western
           | originals, but featured their own internal designs, some of
           | them even robuster and/or more feature rich than the
           | originals. It wasn't always just copy and paste.
        
             | flohofwoe wrote:
             | True, at least the East German Z80 clone U880 was most
             | likely "properly" reverse-engineered from a real chip's die
             | photos (similar to how the visual6502 netlist was reverse
             | engineered), with bug fixes applied in the process -
             | because the U880 has a slightly different undocumented
             | behaviour than an original Z80.
             | 
             | There are still conflicting stories to this day though
             | (e.g. some licensed clones from other Western manufactures
             | also differed in behaviour in those areas - so the U880
             | design could have been stolen from those), the only thing
             | that's for sure is that the U880 isn't a "transistor-
             | perfect" clone of an original Z80.
        
               | masswerk wrote:
               | Based on what I've read, this seems to be also true for
               | the soviet PDP-11 single-chip designs.
        
         | RadixDLT wrote:
         | "Devices licensed from Western manufacturers were often named
         | according to the Pro Electron standard. Microelectronica
         | assigned integrated circuit designations according to the
         | underlying technology"
        
       | docmechanic wrote:
       | Thank you for sharing this. I'm reminded of my surprise when my
       | Russian language teacher at university told me that Russians
       | celebrated Xmas, and with trees no less. This didn't compute with
       | the typical nationalistic propaganda that passes for 'news'.
       | 
       | "The socialist bloc of countries that arose after World War II
       | was not a monolithic entity, it had significant country and
       | cultural differences."
       | 
       | "Unlike the Soviet integrated circuit designation or the East
       | German semiconductor designation, the Romanian government did not
       | set standards for the labeling of semiconductors."
        
         | baybal2 wrote:
        
         | grishka wrote:
         | > Russians celebrated Xmas
         | 
         | Huh? I'm Russian and I don't remember when Christmas even _is_.
         | We celebrate the new year, and yes, there are trees. Christmas
         | is very much a religious holiday for religious people.
        
         | flohofwoe wrote:
         | > This didn't compute with the typical nationalistic propaganda
         | that passes for 'news'.
         | 
         | "Nationalistic propaganda" told you that Eastern Bloc countries
         | didn't celebrate Christmas, wat? The whole religious aspect of
         | Christmas was extremely toned down of course, but even the
         | communists didn't have the power to dismantle the Church
         | (surveil and suppress they did though).
        
           | thriftwy wrote:
           | Not sure about the rest of Eastern Bloc, in USSR the new year
           | took on the big celebration with tree and feast. Which made
           | the following (Julian) Christmas a small, quiet family
           | holiday for people still exhausted by the large one.
        
       | mariusmg wrote:
       | CIP03 forever baby !!:)
        
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