[HN Gopher] First evidence of social relationships between chimp... ___________________________________________________________________ First evidence of social relationships between chimpanzees, gorillas: study Author : hhs Score : 73 points Date : 2022-10-01 15:56 UTC (7 hours ago) (HTM) web link (source.wustl.edu) (TXT) w3m dump (source.wustl.edu) | ogig wrote: | Of course such similar animal cohabiting in the same area will | have "social relationships". Some birds have social relationship | with mammals, as evidenced in many human to bird relationships. | After many years observing corvids seems to me that carrion crows | and magpies do have something that could be called social | relationship. | | Don't want to be dismissive of the merits of this study, but to | my eyes this is another "water is wet" paper. We keep insisting | in this anthropocentric approach to understanding the world and | it leads to plenty of biases. | | You are an animal, you have social relationships with other | species (your dog, ie). Asume others animals, like you, do the | same. | | PS: Wrote after some late night wine, excuses. | zasdffaa wrote: | No it's not obvious _at all_. Chimp tribes kill each other, | ditto human tribes, and many other species. | | Added: to me it's about the last thing I'd have expected. | Sharlin wrote: | As always, science is just as much about confirming null | hypotheses as it is about disproving them. Either way can be | equally good science. Having scientific evidence that X happens | is much more valuable than having a hypothesis that X happens. | And obviously evidence almost never conveys just a single bit | of information. This paper is about _how_ and _when_ and | _where_ and _to what degree_ X was observed to happen, not only | whether X did happen. | ComplexSystems wrote: | Sadly, real-world Science is almost never about confirming | null hypotheses. There is an enormous amount of research that | never gets published for this reason; because the authors had | some interesting idea and it just happened to not pan out. | matheist wrote: | Paper full-text available at: | https://www.cell.com/iscience/fulltext/S2589-0042(22)01331-1 | | Choice quotes: | | > _gorillas were not observed visiting any of the five Ficus | locations on the two days prior to the cofeeding event and | visitation to figs was rare on the days after cofeeding. During | ape follows, we also observed the gorilla group immediately | change their travel direction to head toward chimpanzee | vocalizations originating from the canopy of Ficus with ripe | figs_ | | > _Affiliative interactions included play with individuals of | both species engaged in chasing, wrestling, play biting, and play | hitting._ | | > _We also observed gesturing between species to initiate social | interactions. Intriguingly, chimpanzees exhibited chest-beating | which is a behavior characteristic of gorillas._ | | > _In contrast to predictions of competition between species, | nearly all interspecific associations were tolerant or | affiliative. Aggression was observed between gorillas and | chimpanzees, but did not escalate to killing as reported from | Loango, Gabon (Southern et al., 2021)._ | pelasaco wrote: | I always remember the "World War Chimp": | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLn9GwHoUy0 | btheshoe wrote: | My friend works in that exact lab as an on campus job. He's been | telling me about his job watching gorillas, always thought it was | really cool. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-10-01 23:00 UTC)