[HN Gopher] Kim Jung Gi has died
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Kim Jung Gi has died
There are articles about this in various places (I saw it on the
front page of cnn, highlighting just how influential he was), and
it does feel a bit like the world has lost a Mozart or a Rembrandt.
I'm not sure there has ever been anyone like him, or will be again.
Sad day -- only 47 years old, he had so much that everyone thought
was still ahead of him.
Author : stoeckley
Score : 418 points
Date : 2022-10-06 08:10 UTC (14 hours ago)
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| Temporary_31337 wrote:
| Can someone point to some of his famous works? Frankly it is the
| first time I've heard of him.
| stoeckley wrote:
| He is all over YouTube and did exhibitions around the world --
| I'd check out his drawing show videos.
| nottorp wrote:
| But are the drawings any good? Feels weird to have to watch a
| video instead of seeing the finished art.
| stoeckley wrote:
| The drawings are amazing, but the reason he is so well-
| known is his process, which you can only see in the videos.
| nottorp wrote:
| I like some. Not all. I'm afraid I fail to get
| enthusiastic about knowing how they were done, sorry.
| mmmpop wrote:
| If there was one thing that I thought all HN users had in
| common it was the appreciation for a tremendous
| intellectual gift and better yet, doing no evil with it.
| I guess you proved me wrong.
| rumpelstinkin wrote:
| well, there are plenty of dumb shits who would say that
| plenty of his drawings are the mark of the devil...
| NotHereNotThere wrote:
| His process is impressive, no sketches or hesitation; he
| just "prints" whatever was in his mind. The scenes are
| incredibly detailed, with complex perspectives
| [deleted]
| watwut wrote:
| That is because the way he draws is part of fascination
| with his art. The speed of it, that he does not need
| guidelines for perspective, that he just goes from top of
| head.
|
| If you are curious whether drawing is to your liking, you
| can just skip to the end of the video. Or, google his name
| and filter for images - the filter is in top bar.
| ehnto wrote:
| Presumably his finished work is for sale and display so
| naturally it's a bit less likely to see it up online in an
| easy viewing format. Check some of it out here though:
|
| https://www.kimjunggi.net/
|
| To answer the question though, yes wildly and objectively
| talented. Part of why you would want to watch a video is to
| see how he works, his competence is on full display more so
| than in the finished product perhaps.
| wodenokoto wrote:
| I think his drawings are great, though the big kicker is that
| he draws them without reference and without sketching or
| erasing.
|
| He is almost like a human printer, drawing one character or
| object to completion before moving on to the next.
|
| I particularly like his dragon hunter
|
| jpeg: https://www.liberdistri.com/359-thickbox_default/dragon-
| hunt...
|
| video: https://youtu.be/uNtmdB6N5Qo
| meigwilym wrote:
| Here's the Wikipedia article on him
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jung_Gi
|
| A good video was posted here by modernerd, describing his
| drawin process.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmqFbgKWoao
| brador wrote:
| Heart attack at 47, and he looks reasonably fit too in that
| linked video from 2019 (age 44).
|
| What to do with this information? I don't know. Maybe work on
| cardio, stop coffee?.
| badpun wrote:
| > Maybe work on cardio
|
| Maybe work less? I know four people who died of heart attack.
| Two of them were in terrible shape (obese, no exercise), while
| the other two were in very good shape, but were also
| workoholics in stresful jobs. One of them even got the attack
| while jogging in the park (he collapsed in a rarely frequented
| part of the park and was dead before anyone noticed) He was a
| CEO of a decent-sized company in his early fifties.
| sizzle wrote:
| Can any expert here help me understand why his heart attack was
| not reversible by administering tPA to dissolve blood clots?
| deepzn wrote:
| maybe he had genetic predisposition to heart attacks or
| cardiovascular disease. Maybe the stress on his heart went
| unchecked for years. Maybe it was a sudden embolism.
|
| Whatever the reason was, we should all be having regular heart
| health checkups or preventative care that is readily available
| and to help. I mean, by now we should be having watches or
| devices that can monitor and read our heart health and vitals
| 24/7. It's 2022, ridiculous.
| ekianjo wrote:
| you cant talk about the potential causes in here.
| uwagar wrote:
| hope its not the covid vaccine side effect!
| brador wrote:
| It was on the announcement Twitter linked, it said heart
| attack.
| ekianjo wrote:
| Heart attacks at 47 are rather rare. There is probably some
| underlying cause but it cannot be discussed here.
| [deleted]
| raydiatian wrote:
| Man that is heartbreaking, I hope his mind put on an absolute
| banger of a lightshow for his road out. RIP
| [deleted]
| wodenokoto wrote:
| He did a live drawing session 3 days ago in Paris and apparently
| died flying out from Europe.
|
| According to his Facebook:
|
| > It is with great sadness and a heavy heart that we inform you
| of the sudden passing of Kim Jung Gi. After finishing his last
| schedule in Europe, Jung Gi went to the airport to fly to New
| York, where he experienced chest pains and was taken to a nearby
| hospital for surgery, but sadly passed away. October 3, 2022
| After having done so much for us, you can now put down your
| brushes. Thank you Jung Gi. October 5, 2022 Hun Jin Kim If you
| wish to send a note or a drawing to his family, please send it to
| 1975-2022@kimjunggi.net
|
| https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid037QzdzNrwP...
| loceng wrote:
| [deleted]
| seymores wrote:
| Memento mori.
|
| rip
| crummy wrote:
| Here's a sped-up video showing him in action:
| https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1577731089602265089
|
| Absurd to see that kind of detail emerge like that.
| uup wrote:
| That guy has a really good sense of proportion.
| porbelm wrote:
| Holy crap, not a single line of sketchwork! Amazing.
| skohan wrote:
| Yeah it's unreal. And the result is so well-proportioned and
| 3-dimensional as well. I wonder how much of it was in his
| mind before he started, and how much was about figuring out
| what would fit along the way.
| belfalas wrote:
| I can't remember the source, but I remember learning that
| his specialty was 5-point perspective and he could keep
| most of the drawing visualized in his mind before he even
| started. But he also improvised a lot and made decisions on
| the fly.
|
| Unreal is definitely the right word, similar to watching
| Michael Jordan at his best.
| loceng wrote:
| He died of heart issue based on some replies to that tweet?
| canadiantim wrote:
| lupire wrote:
| My uncle died of heart attack at age 40...40years ago.
| relativeadv wrote:
| "Makes you wonder for sure"
|
| What are we talking about here?
| loceng wrote:
| lupire wrote:
| It's on Google
|
| https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Bangkok%20Thailand%
| 20s...
| loceng wrote:
| Not with honest articles at the top, see my reply here:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33108401
| thieving_magpie wrote:
| I googled it (plenty of results...) and this was the
| basic analysis I found:
|
| "The study of teenagers in Thailand following a second
| COVID-19 vaccination found that 18% -- not one third --
| experienced any detectable cardiac effect, and that 1 in
| 301, not 1 in 43, had confirmed myocarditis. A large
| proportion of purported abnormalities detected by testing
| were without symptoms, and 100% of the teens in the study
| fully recovered after 14 days, the authors reported."
|
| https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-heart-teens-
| vaccin...
|
| I'm not knowledgeable enough about anything regarding
| this subject to make any determinations about if that is
| being downplayed or misleading. I don't want to pretend
| like I understand it.
| loceng wrote:
| This Reuters article is disingenuous at best.
|
| They're downplaying the harm by changing the context.
|
| Re: "found that 18% -- not one third -- experienced any
| detectable cardiac effect"
|
| This research found 1:43 harm - because that harm
| included detection of damage to the heart via blood:
|
| "Troponin blood test - troponin is a protein which is
| released into the blood stream when the heart muscle is
| damaged. The troponin level provides a quick and accurate
| measure of any heart muscle damage. It's used to help in
| the assessment following suspected heart attack."
|
| Troponin was part of the research - and in 1:43 trooponin
| was detected post-shot vs. pre-shot.
|
| And 1:301 is still extremely bad, no? Certainly you can
| make a judgement on that? It is actually harming 1:43 but
| even harming a heart - which is permanent damage as the
| heart doesn't heal - 1:301 of harming a young person's
| heart is completely unacceptable - especially when
| they're at very little risk of any significant harm,
| nowhere near 1:301 from COVID itself.
|
| Also, 100% of the teens didn't recover after 14 days:
| there is permanent heart damage in 1:43.
|
| They also focus on only including myocarditis numbers to
| make their numbers seem less worse (1:301 is still
| horrific) - by excluding the case(s) of pericarditis from
| their numbers.
|
| Notice how Reuters is at the top of Google, and Reuters
| has routinely misled people to train them of these
| shallow-narrow talking points - to give them enough
| narrative to make them think the alarming research was
| less true than it actually is.
| n4r9 wrote:
| I guess that would be a big concern if 301 wasn't
| literally the number of participants in the study. What
| kind of confidence interval can you extrapolate from
| that?
|
| And elevated troponin is not definitive of permanent
| heart damage.
|
| In the context of Kim Jung Gi's death, studies suggest an
| excess of <5 cases of myocarditis per 100,000 vaccine
| doses for men aged 40-50: https://www.nature.com/articles
| /s41467-022-31401-5/figures/3
|
| I suspect this is considerably less of a risk to that age
| bracket than COVID.
| loceng wrote:
| "And elevated troponin is not definitive of permanent
| heart damage."
|
| What else causes heart damage and troponin to release?
|
| We're going on suspicions now rather than thoroughly
| reviewed science and data?
| retrobrandcool wrote:
| Right, i was going to suggest pfizeritis? 1st post ;)
| logicalmonster wrote:
| The safe and effective thing.
| Entinel wrote:
| They are making overtures about the vaccine.
| loceng wrote:
| permo-w wrote:
| what's going with twitter's mobile video player (on safari).
| literally no way to just watch the video without it being half
| obscured with the tweet it's attached to
| [deleted]
| dangerboysteve wrote:
| I have one of his early sketchbooks and was taken back on his
| imagery, ideas and layouts.
| drcross wrote:
| aplummer wrote:
| Are you referring to the vaccines administered to several
| billion people, that are proven to be safe and effective?
| drcross wrote:
| Keep repeating the mantra and it makes it true.
| mzs wrote:
| official statement: https://www.instagram.com/p/CjU2fHwuLjw/
| t0bia_s wrote:
| wodenokoto wrote:
| You won't find answers in a single case, which is why the
| question is irrelevant to this post.
| z7 wrote:
| You can actually, e.g.:
| https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/10/1651
| gcau wrote:
| Kim is quite famous in the art world. I remember a livestream
| where people sent it challenging ideas of things to draw, and he
| just casually draws them, entirely from memory, no references or
| googling of any images. Died way too young.
| modernerd wrote:
| I often come back to this video of Kim's process, which is a
| delight, and now only adds weight to the loss:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmqFbgKWoao
|
| "When I decide what to draw, I think about what. And then I
| create another me in my mind. Another me, a.k.a. mini-me, will be
| travelling through the space of what I want to draw. ... Now, I
| send a bunch of my mini-mes all over the space to find the best
| suited location for me to draw. Which perspective should I use?
| Where is the coolest angle or composition with the most impact?"
| alexb_ wrote:
| I saw someone on Twitter say that this isn't drawing, it's
| sculpting with Ink. Insane that he's able to do this.
| thevagrant wrote:
| It reminds me of Nikola Tesla, "Before I put a sketch on paper,
| the whole idea is worked out mentally. In my mind I change the
| construction, make improvements, and even operate the device.
| Without ever having drawn a sketch I can give the measurements
| of all parts to workmen, and when completed all these parts
| will fit, just as certainly as though I had made the actual
| drawings. It is immaterial to me whether I run my machine in my
| mind or test it in my shop."
| logicalmonster wrote:
| I've read anecdotes about genius programmers who just sit
| around playing videogames or watching movies for a bit while
| they work out the details of complicated problems in their
| heads and then just finish up and start typing out the right
| solution in one shot.
| hbosch wrote:
| I often operate this way, that I design and build and run or
| use constructions in my mind before I feel comfortable
| committing to sitting down at the computer and making it, or
| sketching it. I've been made aware, recently, that some
| people can't picture things in their mind, rotate them, apply
| physics to them, etc.
|
| One thing about working this way is it's very frustrating to
| people who operate by documenting in real time, in something
| like org or Notion. I am not a note taker and I never really
| have been. I actually find my thinking gets cloudier when I
| try to document something I personally find "intuitive".
|
| One example of this clash of styles was recently with a
| manager where he asked me, directly, how could I know how to
| design something if I hadn't written out the structure yet?
| How would I know to build space for a feature if I hadn't
| documented all the features that were required? I told him
| the requirements should be known, already, by anyone who was
| thinking about this problem... that for instance anyone who
| bothers to even imagine a "Create" action would
| automatically, symmetrically, imagine a "Delete" action and
| budget for that. He didn't agree and made me write it out
| anyway.
| groby_b wrote:
| Good on your manager. Beliefs of personal infallibility are
| vastly overrated.
|
| Sure, some things come in pairs. Some requirements are
| immutable and obvious. That's not the interesting part of a
| design, and if that's all it lists, then yes, you can
| probably skip writing a ton of detail. (Although current
| and future team mates are usually appreciative of knowing
| how something was designed, instead of just having to read
| the code - it makes it easier to distinguish mistake from
| intent)
|
| But the meat of a design is in the trade-offs you made, in
| the choices that could reasonably go several ways. And no,
| for any reasonably complex system, you can't hold all of
| those in your head. And worse, if it's a trade-off, your
| weights may be wrong - your work is part of a larger
| effort, and you might miss constraints that seem "outside
| your area" but play into it.
| lloeki wrote:
| Also reminds me of Feynman, who Fixes Radio By Thinking!
| jhugo wrote:
| Huh. This is the first time I read this quote, but it
| resonates so well. Does anyone else program this way? I
| usually sit for a while thinking about the problem, write the
| program mentally, try out edge cases, sometimes rework the
| program a few times, then once I feel it's correct I type out
| all the code, with that phase taking much less time than the
| "mental work". I'd estimate my usual process is about 90%
| thought, 10% typing. Anecdotally, from some teams I've worked
| in, people often find this process quite strange.
| bovermyer wrote:
| I'm the complete opposite. I'll think about the issue a
| little, but I'll just hack on it until it looks (and
| performs) right. Lots and lots of trial and error.
|
| I draw the same way. My sketches are tons and tons of lines
| in the wrong places that somehow end up looking right,
| because the majority of the lines are near to or in the
| right places.
| ryukafalz wrote:
| This is how I often program as well. I've realized that
| when you do this it's crucial to have lots of tests to
| validate the program's behavior, because it can easily
| look right and mostly run right without actually being
| correct.
|
| Though this only works for the implementation side of
| things in my experience; you still need a good mental
| model of roughly what you're aiming for architecturally,
| I think.
| lioeters wrote:
| Yeah, I'm the same way. I never sit and think a long time
| - I prefer to think by doing, to externalize my thoughts
| so I can move it around, change things, see the thinking
| process in front of me as code and observable bahevior.
| Then I just keep shaping it until it becomes what I
| envisioned at the start. But then, where did that
| "vision" come from? Thinking over a long time, usually
| days and weeks, sometimes years.
| mromanuk wrote:
| Yes, knowing every detail of what I'm doing would bore me
| to death. I would rather "not know" and be amazed when
| the finished product, whether it be a loaf of bread, an
| application, or a sketch, emerge.
| roflyear wrote:
| I have coded with a lot of people like this, and I think
| it is absolutely a fine way to approach things, and can
| even be good, but one piece of advice I always tell them:
|
| The job has only _started_ when it is working. That doesn
| 't mean you're done! :)
| Vaslo wrote:
| Same - I can see the beginning and a partial end, but I
| find most of my ideas and inspiration occur once I get
| into it, and i can never see the final process to get
| there - it happens as I go.
| extragood wrote:
| Kinda along those lines. What works best for me is to start
| with high level comments in plain English after thinking
| about what I'm trying to achieve for a bit. Then I make a
| skeleton of all the methods and classes that that will
| require. Then I'll comment each method (if not trivial) in
| plain English and only then actually begin development. The
| development phase seems to go by pretty quickly that way.
|
| And as another plus, that makes my code very readable for
| others. I leave the comments in.
| spookybones wrote:
| Some writers work this way, mostly famously George Simenon,
| who was possibly the most prolific writer ever.
| zimpenfish wrote:
| Corin Tellado's 4000 romance novels[1] would like a word.
| For reference, Simenon would be between Asimov and Stine
| on this list, I think.
|
| [1] https://thebookslist.com/most-prolific-authors/
| sjostrom7 wrote:
| It depends. If it's an interesting problem I have to work
| on, but I can't right away, I think about it as I'm going
| about my day. Driving, cooking dinner, rotting in a
| meeting. Then by the time I get to finally do it, it's
| close to a fully-formed solution.
|
| If it's a problem that I have to address right now, it's
| more like prototyping the first idea that comes to mind and
| then debugging and refining and being more critical.
| eduction wrote:
| I find this the most effective way to do things as well,
| although at times I lack energy to do it properly, and end
| up banging away on the keyboard before I've properly
| thought things through (spending more net energy than if
| I'd done it properly, by the time I'm done).
|
| Reminds me of Rich Hickey's Hammock Driven Development
| https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-
| transcripts/blob/master/Hi...
| thevagrant wrote:
| The quote from Kim Jong Gi reminded me of the quote from
| Tesla (as well as other notes I've read) because it seems
| to indicate that they can visualize at extremely high
| detail and do this at very high speed... while also
| accurately retaining the information for use later.
| qikInNdOutReply wrote:
| Well, its a comfy way to make water tight state machines?
| Is that the question?
| soogwoog wrote:
| Takes way too much RAM for my ADHD brain. If I work like
| that, solid concepts slip out of my grasp and I have to
| work them out all over again. Without writing things down,
| I miss obvious and important problems. Very envious of
| people who can maintain a large system in their head.
| echelon wrote:
| ADHD forces depth first search ("hyper focus") with a
| time penalty to avoid sinking too much into one effort.
| It's just a different search algorithm that will explore
| the problem landscape differently.
| roflyear wrote:
| It isn't strange, but I've found that writing code as I'm
| thinking helps me think about the problem.
|
| Also, the domain is so large in programming, it is
| impossible for me to contextualize the entire set of edge
| cases. From remembering what exceptions to handle to
| library interactions, types, etc.. returned from various
| methods, it is just not really possible to think about even
| a small system this way (as in a system with 4-5 methods
| that perform real logic beyond "format this"
|
| But, yeah - definitely large picture before I start to
| code. "Huh, yeah that calls that... ok.." but once I need
| to solve a problem "oh, this queue needs to be maintained
| this way... I need to compare these values against these
| values, oh, I need a second queue... I need to take this
| lock... oh this returns this type, which needs to be
| serialized so I need to figure that out..." - all of that
| stuff needs to be hashed out in a combination of paper &
| code. No way I can hold that in my head.
| skupig wrote:
| I found a lot of nuggets of wisdom in this collection of small
| lectures from his streams:
| https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrg1NICzlqVc_fV37bT7VmySD...
|
| RIP to a tremendously talented man.
| ksec wrote:
| This could very much be the definition of genius.
|
| May as well include the link on CNN
| https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/kim-jung-gi-death-cec/...
| hankchinaski wrote:
| For a second I thought it was Kim Jong-Un
| ReptileMan wrote:
| If we could change their places it will be fair trade.
| can16358p wrote:
| Yup, I was about to start spreading the celebration news...
| then I read the surname :(
| mkl wrote:
| Both have the surname Kim.
| can16358p wrote:
| Oh, then the first name. Thought Kim was the first name.
| treyfitty wrote:
| Gi is the "generational" name. Jung is the first name.
| Kim, last
| mkl wrote:
| Given name. "First" and "last" name are ambiguous, since
| the order (and number of names) differs between cultures
| (and some people change the order when they go somewhere
| else).
| hairofadog wrote:
| Oh, no, so sorry to hear it! He was incredible. What a loss. Best
| wishes to his family and those who loved him.
| t0bia_s wrote:
| lalalandland wrote:
| As I understand he died close to air travel. Sitting cramped
| for hours can create blood clots in legs etc.
| deepzn wrote:
| Not sure where he first had chest pains, but the message says
| on the way to the airport. Whether they reached the airport,
| or in the car, but don't think on the plane.
| summerlight wrote:
| Just in case for the someone who's genuinely curious about its
| possibility, it's very unlikely tied to vaccination since most
| of the blood clot/heart attack cases happen within several days
| after vaccination and these are already very rare. And we
| haven't observed any significant mid-term impacts as well. And
| I don't think Jung Gi had a recent vaccination since S. Korea's
| recent vaccination numbers are very low (a few thousand each
| day).
| rootusrootus wrote:
| > Sudden death of someone who looked in perfect shape and was
| only 47 brings a lot of questions.
|
| Not really. Dropping dead from a widowmaker in your 40s, while
| not common, is hardly unheard of. Could have been something
| else, too, like an aortic dissection. Nobody knows but his
| doctor and maybe his family. Speculating gets us nothing. We
| know how to lead healthy lives, should we choose. And accidents
| still happen.
| PointA2B wrote:
| There is no reason questions seeking the truth should ever be
| censored/shunned. The truth is a lot of users here likely took
| it, and don't want to even consider the possibility of side
| effects. Its disappointing but easy to understand the human
| nature behind it.
| croes wrote:
| Because it's a o e sided question. Why not also question if he
| was infected by corona virus? You know the virus that has a
| documented effect on the health of the heart.
|
| And the moment both groups are pretty large, the vaccinated and
| the least once infected with corona but the virus is never a
| suspect in certain groups.
|
| Blood clots, myocarditis etc. is only ever attributed to the
| vaccine and not the virus.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| > _Blood clots, myocarditis etc. is only ever attributed to_
|
| This class of statements, or rhetoric generalizations which
| cannot be read as a logical statement (where 'only ever' is
| strict), should be avoided. False universal statements add
| nothing to the style - they may easily detract -, they are
| gratuitous, they are offensive, and technically they clash
| with the requirement of respect which seems to be implicit in
| the guidelines.
|
| I can reassure you: yes, some of us wondered of what could
| have been the chance that blood circulation affecting
| diseases may have impacted, and also of the chances of other
| factors, and also of the weakness of such estimations, and
| finally of the limited time these vague thoughts deserve.
| croes wrote:
| You realize my last sentence refers to the certain groups
| in the previous sentence?
|
| These groups only the vaccine as the culprit even if
| someone dies by accident
| aceazzameen wrote:
| Because they're already jumping to a biased conclusion by
| asking the question. Heart disease was a top killer before
| Covid existed. For all we know he ate poorly but still looked
| fit. Or had a genetic condition. So why even ask that question
| here?
|
| Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics
| concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| > _Because they 're already jumping to a biased conclusion by
| asking the question_
|
| You <<jump[] to a biased conclusion>> only when the
| conclusion is held - which you cannot conclude. The poster
| should keep it open: you should do the same. As you are
| mandated by the guidelines and the constraint against weak
| interpretations.
| watwut wrote:
| There is also zero reason to assume he was vaccinated while
| traveling through multiple foreign countries.
|
| The vaccination status questions appear, because the
| theories about this being caused by covid vaccination flew
| over internet in anti vaccine circles. Just like every time
| famous person dies. The the whole political goal of these
| questions is to imply he was killed by vaccination while
| not needing to prove anything.
|
| And it IS manipulative political question. We don't know
| his vaccination status nor when he was vaccinated. That
| happens to be private health information.
| walterbell wrote:
| _> while traveling through multiple foreign countries._
|
| On the contrary, there are cases where people flying
| through multiple countries which have different
| approaches to health treatments have ended up taking
| multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-
| state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero
| clinical trials on that specific combination of
| treatments.
|
| To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being
| pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details
| matter. We are currently in the world's largest,
| unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate
| that the vast majority of participants have been healthy.
| Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to
| come and future generations will honor their sacrifice
| and contribution to science.
| jianshen wrote:
| I'm pleasantly surprised to see his name on HN. He had a table at
| NYCC this week and people have been leaving him gifts and
| messages. It's so sad.
|
| https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeZt8yNWIAE0HEZ?format=jpg&name=...
|
| Edit: Photo Credit to @Leah617
| shishy wrote:
| This is really sad, I used to see his drawings all the time on my
| Instagram and it was so sudden. He got me into drawing and really
| thinking about understanding perspective; I'm not good at drawing
| but man did it help my photography.
|
| Absolute loss. I don't know if it was a heart attack or maybe a
| pulmonary embolism... he had covid before and I think the long
| flights might have been taking a toll.
| deepzn wrote:
| Yes he's had a lot of travel. I met him in Paris last week. He
| and his entourage flew from Paris to Portugal to Poland and
| back to Paris all within 7-10 days. He's done several events in
| Paris the weekend before his death. I suspect he was fatigued
| and caused a bit of hypertension. I don't know if they were far
| away from a hospital or how long it took them to get there, or
| the severity of the heart attack, or if they gave an aspirin to
| help as a blood thinner(or even if that would help). But, so
| sad..a genius, lost at 47, I was reeling and so down the last 2
| days.
| chatterhead wrote:
| slater wrote:
| Stop with the conspiracy nonsense already. You are not the
| holder of "tHiNgS THEY DoN't WaNT U tO KnOW!!1~", as much as
| you'd like that to be the case.
| headsoup wrote:
| It's not a conspiracy theory, it's in the data quite
| clearly now.
| croes wrote:
| Sure? How do you find a controll group of people
| vaccinated but without corona virus infection?
|
| The virus is more likely the cause if there really is a
| spike in heart attack cases because pre vaccine studies
| already showed higher heart disease rates because of an
| infection.
| valarauko wrote:
| Plus, the cardiac involvements post vaccinations have
| almost all been in young men - adolescents mostly, with
| symptoms within days. Kim was not an adolescent, so it
| seems unreasonable to presume vaccination as the cause.
| pikseladam wrote:
| Is it confirmed? I just recommended him to a friend yesterday. I
| can't believe it.
| dagmx wrote:
| Yes his personal account posted the news in both English and
| Korean. His friends and the art community have been mourning
| and cancelling their combined appearances at light box
| (understandably)
| pikseladam wrote:
| so sad to hear that. he had both talent and hard work. best
| wishes to his family :(
| carabiner wrote:
| I read a great quote that conveys his talent:
|
| > Like if you saw your favourite band improvise their next #1 hit
| song from scratch live on stage on their first try. Like an
| author sitting down and reciting an unwritten novel from start to
| finish. Absolute unthinkable skill.
|
| https://twitter.com/kimsokol/status/1577748279475027968?s=46...
| xer0x wrote:
| Amazing! I only just discovered his work. It's sad, yet inspiring
| to see how many were touched by his art.
| 2mmcro wrote:
| RIP
| rtanks wrote:
| Such talent
| sizzle wrote:
| Can any expert here help me understand why his heart attack was
| not reversible by administering tPA to dissolve blood clots?
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| Update post title to be more descriptive for those who may not
| know:
|
| Kim Jung Gi, acclaimed comic book artist, has died
| BudaDude wrote:
| Here I was thinking it was Kim Jung Un's child or something.
| Thank you for the clarification.
| ynbl_ wrote:
| I saw the OP comment and assumed it was someone smugly
| putting aside DPRKs leaders problems and talking about his
| virtues.
| deepzn wrote:
| He was a master. Every human being should be aware of the raw
| talent he possessed and exercised. He was a true prodigy. It
| isn't wrong for people to compare him to Da Vinci, or
| Michelangelo as one of the greatest artists of all time.
| Different era's, etc, but it's just to show he was in a very
| rarified class of folks. Man, I'm going to really miss his art,
| and watching him dazzle the canvas live, straight from his mind.
|
| He was everything I loved growing up - robots, samurai, mech all
| the anime I've watched. He was so talented at multiple genres,
| could draw architecture or portraits of people with equally
| refined and masterful skill.
|
| He was the artist's artist, in a world full of artists, where
| people don't recognize individual artists anymore like back in
| the day with Da Vinci, Van Gogh, etc. Even though many of the
| artists in history were only celebrated well after their death.
| Glad, Kim Jung Gi, got the recognition he deserved while he was
| at his prime. He still had so much to offer, and I hate that he
| left the world too soon due to a stupid heart attack. I really
| want to discuss the solutions that we currently have and what
| people are working on to combat heart attacks in the future, and
| to be able to prevent them. It was so sad and devastating to have
| a loss of such proportions. His talent was immeasurable, but a
| genius or prodigy is apt. RIP Master Kim.
|
| If inclined, please check out his sketchbooks, they are ~$100,
| and are worth every penny. 100's of amazing detailed sketches
| found. Also some are erotic, or NSFW for sure haha, as KJG was a
| tad crazy.
|
| Also, people should know he was the nicest, most humble person
| ever. Always up for a photo with a fan or ready to sketch/sign
| for them. I was lucky to get a photo with him, and as always he
| is smiling pointing to me as if I'm "The Man" but Master Kim you
| are, and everyone knows it, and will cherish your art for ad
| infinitum. Rest easy Master Kim. Thoughts and Prayers for his
| family, and loved ones.
| privatdozent wrote:
| I keep coming back to this performance. Always blows me away.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qjq_4uaG0w
| ffwacom wrote:
| RIP
| olsgaarddk wrote:
| A few years ago I decided I wanted to buy one of his limited
| prints with some extra money I was to earn. Then I pushed it off
| for a bit due to a few poor excuses, and eventually forgot about
| it.
|
| And now his prints are of course ... out of print.
|
| I'm not saying I need a numbered and signed limited print like
| The Tigers New Clothes [1] but it would be nice with maybe just a
| regularly, unsigned, unnumbered poster on my wall.
|
| Are there any for sale?
|
| [1] https://www.liberdistri.com/en/accueil/100--the-tiger-s-
| new-...
| deepzn wrote:
| His sketchbooks are awesome, and often have a large
| poster/print in them. I think for sure they will have prints in
| the future, just not signed of-course any more as much as KJG
| would love to from up there.
| ghosty141 wrote:
| This hit me hard. I just recently got his 2022 sketchbook and it
| really got me hooked. So sad to see such a talented artist pass
| so early
| deepzn wrote:
| Me too, I got into him in 2019, and bought 1 sketchbook last
| year, and the 22 this year. I had the luxury of meeting him
| last week in Paris.
| grayscaleadam wrote:
| KJG was diagnosed with T2D years ago.
| Entinel wrote:
| Citation?
| grayscaleadam wrote:
| He discusses it in his interview with Proko I believe, saying
| how he needs to go for a daily walk etc.
| user68858788 wrote:
| He was one of the best illustrators of our time. He will be
| missed.
| dirtyid wrote:
| Does he do any planning or prep behind the scenes. I can't tell
| if this is magic or well rehearse magic. Either way, incredible
| talent.
| faultysnail wrote:
| None. It's from his imagination to the paper.
| grayscaleadam wrote:
| >89 comments
|
| >no mention of Diabetes.
|
| KJG had Type 2 Diabetes for some time now, due to bad nutrition -
| he mentioned that he would excessively drink coke and eat junk
| food as he drew, and he drew a lot.
|
| This isn't some widowmaker heart attack stuff that people are
| pushing here. He was in danger zone for awhile. Watching an
| interview with him would be monumentally insightful.
|
| @dang why is this comment flagged - it's pretty important people
| know the underlying mortality cause here?
| tpl wrote:
| Absolute master with a brush pen. A great loss for sure.
| pilaf wrote:
| What a tremendous loss for the world. RIP Mr. Kim :(
| methusala8 wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jung_Gi
|
| Wiki entry for those, like me, unsure who Kim Jung GI is.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Probably better served by the direct site:
|
| https://www.kimjunggi.net/
|
| --
|
| Edit: ...which still does not contain this critical piece of
| news. I cannot avoid thinking of that of Martin Perscheid,
| which on 5 August 2021 had an update "Unfortunately I currently
| find myself incapacitated, and responding to your queries will
| take a while". And ended with the same formula of former posts:
| "Thank you for your attention".
| badpun wrote:
| Heart attack at just 47 years old. And not because of obesity.
| Maintaining his unbelieviable skill level must have been pretty
| stressful for him.
| stoeckley wrote:
| He was certainly very busy, always traveling. This happened
| (from what I read) as he was leaving a show in Paris for a
| flight to New York.
| Bloedcoin wrote:
| Or he enjoyed it tremendously and it had nothing to do with
| stress.
| badpun wrote:
| You can enjoy things that are bad for you... Polish film
| director Zanussi said that it was always his goal to have
| poor health in the old age, because, if he didn't, it'd meant
| he hadn't push himself hard enough in the pursuit of
| excellence in his art.
| Bloedcoin wrote:
| Just because some person said this doesn't make it here
| suddenly true.
|
| I personally find this anecdote really shitty to be honest.
| Only a balanced mind and body can sustaine quality over a
| long time.
|
| Also bad health in old age is super critical for living
| long and bad. Would never thrive for this like laying in
| bed having pain every day being dependent
| finikytou wrote:
| id be pretty interested to see the number of not that old male
| dying from heart attack since covid. not pointing the JAB
| (while it is one of the known side effects) but I think the big
| one is the confinment, forcing people to stay home, bringing a
| lack of exercise and mental fatigue would definitly put a toll
| on the heart. not even talking about the increased absorption
| of alcohol to fight depression from being isolated and not able
| to live like before.
| watwut wrote:
| We do know that in USA, republican males are dying faster
| then democrat males.
|
| Also, there is no reason to imply that Kim Jung Gi had
| increased absorption of alcohol or was depressed last years.
| Especially since you are just speculating in order to push
| for political agenda.
| terminatornet wrote:
| who is being forced to stay home at this point?
| ideamotor wrote:
| Yes and this news should make us all reflect on those habits
| and try to improve.
| [deleted]
| avgcorrection wrote:
| Completely pointless speculation.
| notafraudster wrote:
| The biggest surprise to me is that he died of a heart attack in
| an airport, where presumably AEDs are in ready supply and
| people are everywhere so it'd be immediately noticed. I really
| thought the survival rate in such a circumstance, even for
| catastrophic heart attacks, was pretty good!
| sizzle wrote:
| Can any expert here help me understand why his heart attack
| was not reversible by administering tPA to dissolve blood
| clots?
| CaptArmchair wrote:
| I was recently taught in first aid class that the survival
| rate of an out-of-hospital heart attack is about 10-12%.
| Heart attacks have a ton of causes, lifestyle is just one of
| those. Sometimes, things go very wrong without an apparent,
| explainable cause. Medicine hasn't yet figured out everything
| that might cause a heart attack.
|
| Even with help on scene, people still die in hospital a few
| days later because of a mix of underlying causes.
|
| CPR on scene doubles the chances of survival, but they aren't
| a guarantee someone will survive. The entire point of
| learning CPR is to maximize the number of people that don't
| have to die in the event of a heart attack, no matter how
| minute that fraction.
|
| About 800k people suffer a heart attack in the U.S. yearly
| accordign to the CDC (this is both in-hospital as well as
| out-of-hospital).
| Dave3of5 wrote:
| > I was recently taught in first aid class that the
| survival rate of an out-of-hospital heart attack is about
| 10-12%.
|
| In my first aid course we were taught that the speed in
| which an AED is applied is the main contributing factor.
| Giving that most workplaces/homes/restaurants ...etc don't
| actually have an AED you would normally get one when the
| ambulance arrives.
|
| Someone in the NHS had worked out the graph for distance
| from ambulance and % survival. He gave us all our % chance
| survival if our office didn't have and AED based upon the
| average rate from our work places and that we needed to
| wait for the ambulance. This was under the assumption that
| someone would start CPR almost straight after the arrest.
|
| In our office this % without an AED was < 10% something
| insane like 6% chance survival. With an AED survival is
| much higher. He gave the figure of 95%+ survival rate for
| offices that had AED in them.
|
| I brought this up in a company meeting with all staff there
| and the question was how much is an AED. I had already
| asked this and it was PS750 for an older second hand one
| and PS1100 for a brand new one.
|
| Never bought the flipping AED.
|
| So from what I made out my life was worth < PS750 to the
| CEO.
| sokoloff wrote:
| Imagine if there was a meteor shield the company could
| buy for PS250. If they didn't buy it, is your life worth
| less than PS250 to them?
|
| You have to divide the cost by the likelihood of a life
| being saved to find the proxy figure for what that's
| worth. If there's a 1% chance that an AED will save a
| life during its useful lifespan, that suggests that
| they're valuing the life at less than PS110000 (assuming
| a company would be inclined to buy new and that there are
| no required inspections along the lifespan of the AED).
|
| I think the actual likelihood that any individual AED
| located in a company's workplace will save a life is much
| less than 1%.
| Dave3of5 wrote:
| The individual likelihood is not <1%. It's probably more
| like 10-15% per person. some would be low some much
| higher. But I wasn't the only employee there there was
| around 12 employees in that office. There were several
| who were > 50 years old and in the high risk category
| which could put them up to 25%.
|
| So given this plus your statement about the PS1100 for a
| brand new one divided by the lifespan which I think is
| 5-10 years for each PS110 per year I would say the value
| my life < PS1000.
|
| The CEO himself was very high risk and had actually been
| in the hospital recently for a suspected heart attack (a
| small one that didn't require intervention).
|
| > Imagine if there was a meteor shield the company could
| buy for PS250
|
| The chance of being hit by a meteor is several orders of
| magnitude smaller than having a heart attack so this
| comparison is invalid.
|
| A better comparison is being in a car crash and yes if
| they didn't spend PS250 per 5 years to drastically
| improve my chance of dying in a car crash my life is
| worthless to them.
|
| The company never listened to me on any of my suggestions
| so I think they were not listening and just denied my
| request the same as ever other request of mine they
| denied. I once asked for a new mouse and they denied that
| as well some CEOs are just like that.
| sokoloff wrote:
| The likelihood is not "10-15% per person" that, during
| the operational lifespan of any given AED, that someone
| would have a heart attack at work, be treated by that
| specific AED, and have that treatment be life-saving.
| (That was the point of the meteor comparison.)
| Dave3of5 wrote:
| The lifespan is 10-15 years depending on the model. Most
| people were at moderate risk, unfit, drinking alcohol,
| poor exercise, high stress job ...etc. For moderate risk
| 10-15% is the stat over a 5 year period. Most where
| moderate a few, 2 I think, were low and we had a few high
| and one very high risk given he'd possibly already had a
| small heart attack.
|
| Also note that you didn't take into consideration that
| the device is used for all in the office so over the 5
| years it's cost must be divided by the number of
| employees it will cover which in this case was around 12.
|
| Again your Meteor comparison was extremely poor. You are
| comparing something that is very common, a middle aged
| person having heart attack, to something extremely
| uncommon a similar demographic being hit by a meteor.
| Also to note that you can't say it it PS250 to protect
| from a meteor strike it would likely be extremely
| expensive to protect an office from that versus the
| insanely cheap PS1100 to almost guarantee that any of us
| survive a heart attack.
|
| I've eddited to show the actual lifespan of the AED which
| is 10-15 year
| watwut wrote:
| You are overestimating how often heart attacks in the
| office happen.
| Dave3of5 wrote:
| Nope ...
| blitzar wrote:
| Insurance would probably pay them out nicely - your death
| at work is probably worth +1x your annual salary - maybe
| more.
| Dave3of5 wrote:
| > Insurance would probably pay them out nicely
|
| I wouldn't have bet any money on that. The dude was
| unwilling to pay PS1100 for a life saving device what
| makes you think he would buy insurance that would pay
| upon employee death.
|
| I know for a fact I didn't have any of that cover as my
| current company does pay death in service and it's like 4
| times my yearly salary to my wife. So if he had anything
| like that he would have said so.
|
| He's was just a cheap fuck. Companies often cheap out of
| safety gear to make a quick buck happens everywhere all
| the time.
| meheleventyone wrote:
| That's pretty scary having had one a few years ago I didn't
| realise the risks of dying were so high. Is that for a
| specific case (e.g. heart stopped completely) or for all
| the stuff that gets lumped in there for example I was still
| walking around and so on despite the clot forming which
| probably has a more medical name but colloquially gets
| called the same thing.
|
| For context when I had mine at 39 I was swimming so swam on
| for another thirty minutes at a reduced pace, got changed,
| walked home, lay down for a bit before getting my wife to
| drive me to the hospital. Ended up with a stent put in. Got
| lucky I guess from being reasonably fit as there was no
| visible damage to the heart on an ultrasound.
| maccard wrote:
| They don't call it a widowmaker [0] for nothing.
|
| [0] https://www.menshealth.com/health/a21346168/widowmaker-
| heart...
| Entinel wrote:
| I know several people that have died or almost died from
| Widowmaker heart attacks. Seeing a cardiologist and cardio in
| general is one of those things that a lot of men ignore because
| they feel healthy but it cannot be stressed enough, once you hit
| 30/40s, find a good cardiologist especially if you have a history
| of heart attacks in your family.
| novok wrote:
| I don't have a history of heart attacks, and lot of doctors
| seem to discount this form of early checking. What do you do
| when your bloodwork is good?
| carabiner wrote:
| One thing I've heard is that under 40, people died from trauma
| (car crash) or suicide. After 40, the body really starts
| breaking down and people die from anything. Cancer, heart
| problems, lots of stuff out of the blue much without prior
| causes like smoking.
| sizzle wrote:
| Also get your blood work done annually and cholesterol/ lipid
| panels checked by a qualified physician as that will be the
| first line of defense to sound the alarm and prevent heart
| disease from progressing.
|
| I will never forget seeing a family member with their sternum
| cracked wide-open heart bypass, where they connect your heart
| to a machine while you are suspended in animation, so they can
| operate on bypassing your clogged arteries that could have been
| managed with a healthy lifestyle and drugs.
| liopleurodon wrote:
| probably another covid vaccine death
| mohas wrote:
| not having any art background I was captured by the mesmerizing
| technique he used to create instant universes, what a loss
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