[HN Gopher] DALL*E 2 vs. $10 Fiverr Commissions ___________________________________________________________________ DALL*E 2 vs. $10 Fiverr Commissions Author : sberens Score : 142 points Date : 2022-10-08 19:27 UTC (3 hours ago) (HTM) web link (simonberens.me) (TXT) w3m dump (simonberens.me) | KaoruAoiShiho wrote: | The prompt he did is almost a captcha lol in terms of difficulty | for AI vs human. Try a painting... Do a video game concept art or | magic the gathering card. See how long it takes a human vs AI. | The results are way farther to the side of AI, such that he might | find it cost prohibitive to try to commission people to do it on | fiverr for a blog post. | mikelemmon wrote: | This post might as well be called "Check out what happens when | you use a wrench to put in a screw". | | It's just the wrong tool for the job. | hey2022 wrote: | How is this not the right tool? Where on DALLE-2 website does | it say that it should not be used for artistic graphs? | | Yes, we all have seen badly generated graphs from DALLE-2 | before, so it feels like this is an obviously limitation of AI | image generation tools. But why should this be such an obvious | thing to absolutely everyone? | darepublic wrote: | I have used fiverr for web assets before and I really had to make | clear that what I wanted were SVG assets with transparent | background. Nevertheless it was routinely not understood and I | always had to ask for redo for the purpose of correcting this. | Also in the same manner as this author, I found that word prompts | for images were inferior to me simply doodling out what I wanted | and having the more artistic Adobe inclined person create a | polished version with small variations. | roca wrote: | Google staff aren't allowed to share Imagen results with you, | unfortunately. | coding123 wrote: | y not? | saagarjha wrote: | You are asked to not share the images when you use it. | anigbrowl wrote: | Heh, remember when you signed up and still bought into | _Google 's mission is to organize the world's information | and make it universally accessible and useful._ | | It's kinda sad that Google desperately wants the cool | points for having its own DL models but you can only see it | in the form of a store window display. | saagarjha wrote: | The are almost no companies that operate with a full | public view into their in-progress projects. | anigbrowl wrote: | I'm teasing about Google's 'so great you can't even see | it' effort to build hype for its own offering. | vkou wrote: | > Heh, remember when you signed up and still bought into | Google's mission is to organize the world's information | and make it universally accessible and useful. | | They probably also remember signing an NDA, and maybe | taking some training about how _not all_ of the world 's | information should be made universally accessible and | useful to everyone. For instance, the contents of a | user's inbox. | mgraczyk wrote: | I just tried the prompts with Imagen and Parti. They are | similar to Dalle-2, with a bit more "variety" but none | reproducing the author's specific prompt the way the author | wants. For the prompt "a graph with 3 lines" both produce | graphs with 3 lines at least 1/6 of the time. | klyrs wrote: | Curious. I've played with quite a few of these models and one | of the very consistent "tells" is that they're extremely bad | at counting things. A friend of mine likes tarot and I tried | a few prompts... great results for the major arcana, but good | luck with "ten of cups"... without capability to edit & re- | prompt, the only viable strategy appears to be "ask it to | draw a bunch of cups repeatedly until you've collected all | the numbers." | | Getting 3 of something 1/6 of the time doesn't really sound | like it groks the request. | mgraczyk wrote: | Sure, but it doesn't have to count to be useful. When I run | this locally on desktop GPU, I get 16 results in a few | seconds. I can visually select the 2-3 that match what I | want and pick one of them. I can try again ten times for | 20-30 options, and it still takes less time than Fiverr. | | I would not use these models for graphs yet, but for cool | look tarot inspired "clipart" or background images, I think | they are already usable. | klyrs wrote: | The inability to count has some interesting knock-on | effects. My favorite being eyes and hands. Especially the | hands. The closer you look, the creepier it gets. That | thumb has fingers of its own?! Thus far, the greatest | utility I've seen has been on par with B-movies. | hey2022 wrote: | I am somewhat surprised at how bad these tools are at | generating hands and feet. Is it just a matter of not | having enough images to ingest? | | The faces often look very good and they also have | symmetric complexity and individual elements that come in | a specific quantity (2 eyes, etc). Lower quality models | do generate fly-like multi eye faces, but newer ones are | so much more precise! | dvcrn wrote: | funny timing, just yesterday I finished a little app I was | hacking on and needed a somewhat decent looking logo that was | blocking the release. Instead of trying my luck in sketch and | doodling around, I went to DALL E, and with my first prompt was | able to generate better logos than I could have drawn. I was | immediately unblocked and super happy with the results | | It's just amazing that non design people like me can just conjure | up decent looking, and _usable_ stuff with AI. I will definitely | use DALL E much more going forward for creative work | | The logos are a bit noisy and need redrawing in a proper vector | tool but its a great starting point to try out different ideas | immediately | | (The results: | https://twitter.com/dvcrn/status/1578710631838289922) | smoldesu wrote: | This is like asking a caricature artist to design a bridge. | DALL-E is not a graphing tool, so it's weird to see it treated as | one. A better version of this article might explore the | differences between DALL-E and Fiverr-designed characters, to | contrast how AI and humans approach visual storytelling. | hey2022 wrote: | That's not a fair analogy. If anything, you could say "this is | like asking a caricature artists to draw a bridge". Sure their | bridge might not end up being architecturally or structurally | correct, but it will mostly look like a bridge. | | These image generation tools are being discussed as something | that could replace graphic designers (didn't OpenAI refuse to | open source DALLE-2 at a least partially due to this concern?). | So it is absolutely a reasonable idea to compare image | generation vs a human designer. | | Saying that, the prompt the author chose to use was hard to | parse even to humans, I am not surprised the tools failed so | badly. | naillo wrote: | Almost feel like this was intentionally framed this way to | build more engagement (via comments where it's posted). It's | pretty well known dalle and stable diffusion are bad at text | and precise vector-style graphics. Do this on a professional | art piece and let's see how much $10 gets you. | acapybara wrote: | But how do we know if the Fiverr provider is using Stable | Diffusion? | sberens wrote: | Can you elaborate on how it looks like I framed it to build | more engagement? | TulliusCicero wrote: | I think it's just that it's such a strange comparison to | make, like making an article entitled, "Who's better at | doing donuts in the parking lot: helicopters or planes?" | | The image generation models weren't trained on chart | images, everyone already knows they're gonna be bad at | that. Fiverr artists will obviously be better, though even | then, who the hell is paying people on fiverr to draw | generic charts? | | If you wanted to compare them, it would make more sense to | compare them based on how they're actually used (especially | in the case of the AI models): to make art. | | Though if your title was more specific, ala "DALL-E 2 vs | $10 Fiverr Commissions: Who's Better at Charts?" you'd | probably get somewhat fewer complaints. Having the title be | generic implies that you're gonna be looking at | common/primary use cases. | extrememacaroni wrote: | My man just look at the title, I clicked wondering if | dall-e made better anime characters than $10 fiverr | artists. But all I got was plots, who in their right mind | asks for plots on fiverr. | | Am I being engaged right now, was your comment also to | generate engagement.hm. | make3 wrote: | wtf this is the worse possible use of DALL-E, it's not intended | for that at all | scalablenotions wrote: | AI Whisperer is totally going to be a job | mhb wrote: | To demonstrate the flaws in DALL-E don't you just have to get it | to draw anything that includes hands? | lossolo wrote: | It's a lot better now, just generated this using SD: | | https://imgur.com/lVyUQFb | | https://imgur.com/KJRPHi9 | | But it's still not perfect, a few more examples in a grid, as | you can see hands are still a problem: | | https://imgur.com/ugpvE4a | mhb wrote: | Maybe it's better when hands are a central element, but I | don't think I've ever seen it draw some that aren't weird | when they are just a peripheral element of an image. But I | haven't used it that much and those may be better too. | thih9 wrote: | But this kind of drawing doesn't require any artistic skills; | it's a graph. | | It seems fastest to just draw it yourself; even the pencil | drawing was already decent; and you can buy color pens for less | than $12. | hey2022 wrote: | Right, "I don't need a designer, I can draw a logo myself". | amelius wrote: | Ugh. This could have been so much better. | | It's not at all surprising that an AI is bad at drawing graphs, | and it is also not surprising that even a non-artist human can | draw graphs pretty well. | nullc wrote: | It's not even that "AI is bad at drawing graphs"-- these models | were specifically trained on "aesthetic images". | IshKebab wrote: | Why is it not surprising? I don't see any fundamental reason | for it. I think these models will be able to produce sensible | graphs fairly soon. | | You could equally say "it's not surprising that DALL-E can't | draw words"... except that Imagen seems to be pretty good at | it. | | I think the real reason it's not surprising to you is that | you've already seen enough DALL-E results to understand its | limitations. It's not surprising that _DALL-E_ can 't draw | graphs. | smoldesu wrote: | We don't know if it's surprising, the author never tells us | their hypothesis. They don't state any particular reason for | the prompt they used, they don't explore the contents or | qualities of the prompt compared to other AI-generated art, | and they don't run multiple trials. Because of that, we can't | conclude anything useful from this article. There's no frame | of reference or scientific inquiry involved. If you find it | entertaining, that's fine. As a scientific comparison, this | verges on parody. | hey2022 wrote: | This is not a scientific experiment. The author compared | results of a specific prompt. | | Why are so many people overthinking this? | girvo wrote: | > Why are so many people overthinking this? | | From reading the comments here, they're overthinking it | because they seem to be taking this as a pre-planned | "attack" on AI art generation, rather than just an | interesting anecdote on the limitations of these tools. | | As someone who has not played with said tools, it was an | outcome I found interesting to know: DALL-E et al. can't | do specific graphs or even specific logical things very | well a lot of the time. That's good to know, and I didn't | previously! | blagie wrote: | I do see a fundamental reason: The current crop of AI tools | are horrible at logic. It's a complete inversion of how we | think of computers. | | If I want to convey happy emotions in the style of Rembrandt, | SD or DALL-E will do brilliantly. If I want an apple BELOW a | table, or worse, a geometric shape like a triangle, they'll | crash-and-burn. | | GPT-3 is also really empathetic, but struggles simple logic | (and especially mathematics). | | Graphs are like the horror case for these. | | I can think of ways to make them better at this, but it's not | a weekend of hacking. | TulliusCicero wrote: | The most obvious reason would be that they're probably | largely trained on art-type images, not charts and graphs. | Uptrenda wrote: | What a ridiculous and poorly thought-out experiment. Visual art | can be incredibly detailed, complex, and imaginative. None of | these qualities are captured by trying to create... plots... | Literally anyone can do that using Excel or Google Sheets. You | can't call this 'art' and you certainly can't call this science. | No attempt has been made to conduct any kind of objective | analysis of the results beyond 'lol, not too shabby.' What a | half-assed post. I'd love to see someone like Gwern take on such | a task. | charcircuit wrote: | I think this is more of a showcase of these model's poor graphing | skills and not a comparison between these models and fiver | artists. | mgraczyk wrote: | One missing dimension for this comparison is how long it takes to | get results. | | I've been using Imagen/Parti/Stable Diffusion already as a | replacement for "clip art" because it takes ~15 seconds to get | results and they are free. Fiverr takes at least 100 times that | long and costs $10. | | For tasks where the exact content isn't important and you can't | invest more than a few seconds or wait a more than a few seconds | for results, generative models are already a great solution. | OJFord wrote: | Wait, 'Fiver[r]' costs $10? I assumed it was.. a fiver. Did it | start off making sense and inflate? | barbecue_sauce wrote: | I believe the creator sets their own rates on fiverr. | jvanderbot wrote: | Some can be had free, but I quickly run up against usage limits | and end up paying for it. | astrange wrote: | You can't use Imagen/Parti unless you work at Google, so it | sounds like he's getting paid for it. | modeless wrote: | There are no usage limits if you happen to have a gaming PC. | lostmsu wrote: | It also takes less than 10 minutes on PC. | hey2022 wrote: | Would love to see a similar comparison of fiverr vs AI but for | clip art! | dchuk wrote: | Ignoring the obvious misapplication of AI art generators: What an | absolutely baffling graph idea. That thing makes no sense | whatsoever | ThalesX wrote: | I spent maybe over $100 on DALL-E trying to recreate a math | t-shirt I used to have that I liked. Very much unsuccesful. | [deleted] | panzi wrote: | AIs (at least currently) have problems counting. So anything | containing a number ("3 lines") will be difficult for them. | | (My bias: I'm generally for _art_ to be created by artists. I | find AI generated images to be a fun _game_ , though. Exploring | the minds of those AIs, in a way.) | fareesh wrote: | Drawing graphs is probably one of the worst comparisons one can | do in terms of evaluating these models. They seem to be trained | to generate either photorealistic or stylized images. | sberens wrote: | I had personally never seen this side of the models, so I | wanted to share this finding. | | I agree that they were trained more on artistic images, but I | was still surprised with how bad they generalized to a more | theoretical(?) context. | mgraczyk wrote: | I think the path forward for something like this is models | that learn to execute python code and incorporate the results | into their outputs. There are already projects that can | generate correct matplotlib calls for prompts like yours, but | I don't think we are to the point where those python outputs | can be automatically combined with a diffusion model for | style or whatever. | post-it wrote: | It's not about it being theoretical, it's moreso that the | language model is still far more simplistic than our own, and | struggles with anything but the most basic relations between | nouns. The "horse riding an astronaut" post is a good example | of this.[0] | | [0] https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/horse-rides-astronaut | ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote: | See also "Shirt without stripes" | https://github.com/elsamuko/Shirt-without-Stripes | throwaman123 wrote: | It's funny to see this comment on HN, because it gets | refuted so many times by now you should be able to punch | into google and find it. | | https://twitter.com/Plinz/status/1529013919682994176 | post-it wrote: | I just asked Stable Diffusion to generate 10 images of | "horse riding an astronaut" and 10/10 were of an | astronaut riding a horse. | noduerme wrote: | One thing they're not very good at is deducing spatial | relationships. Concepts like "above", "inside" and "behind", | or "after". I'd say the prompts you gave make sense to a | human who is thinking of a visual progression from left to | right. | | I bet you could write a few copilot prompts to generate code | which would draw a graph like this, though. | thorum wrote: | Text to graph is a great idea, but you don't want an image | generation AI like DALL-E. You want a natural language-to-code | model like GPT-3/Codex that is able to accurately translate your | requirements into code that programatically generates the image | using a good graph library. | | Wouldn't be surprised if this is already possible with today's | tech, and just waiting to be built. | | edit: just tried OP's prompt with Codex and Colab and generated | this image: https://i.imgur.com/OyxJCbz.png | | Not quite accurate, but shows the potential for a better language | model or some prompt engineering to encourage fidelity to the | prompt | userbinator wrote: | The labels in the charts are strangely reminiscent of Madoka | Runes: https://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Runes_chart_expanded.gif | NoToP wrote: | This is not surprising for several reasons. One of which is Dalle | simply can't count. Asking it for 3 of anything will give | questionable results. Dalle also doesn't understand relations | between objects. It will fail on anything of the form A on top of | B. Indeed usually the order of words is irrelevant to the output. | Lastly, features of certain length scales (such as lines below | some thinness) are always garbled. Try generating the standard | face cards in a deck of playing cards to see what I mean. | andai wrote: | Now I am somewhat sleep deprived but I found the description of | the graph incomprehensible. "Starts near the bottom and goes up" | I interpreted as, it is a vertical line, and that its direction | would be expressed in the graph as a vector or something. (The | horizontal position of this vertical line appeared to be | unspecified, which puzzled me.) | | In fact, my first urge was to ask you to just draw the dang thing | already, so I am very glad you included the sketch later! | | This might say more about me than your prompt, though, but I | thought I'd share the data point. | | Perhaps I would have been more successful if I read the | instructions with pencil in hand, sketching it out as I went | along instead of trying to fit the whole instructions in my head | first and then visualize it. | hey2022 wrote: | In my experiments with these tools I came to a conclusion that | they are not very good at understanding very detailed clear | directions. Which is fine! | | I have a lot of fun treating AI as an absurdist philosophical | visualizer. Feeding it very abstract prompts and getting back | bizarre results that somehow make sense! | baxtr wrote: | Cool article! I think on a more general note it underlines what I | have been thinking for some time now: most people, also on HN, | get this generative art stuff totally wrong. | | Yes, this will be the end for _some_ artists but not for others. | DALLE2 et al. are merely new tools for new generation of artists. | And, we are still figuring out how to use these tools | effectively. | | In other words: The "AI" is a tool that we humans will use to get | things done faster/better etc. Nothing less, but also not much | more. | lovehashbrowns wrote: | The more worrisome aspect for me isn't that it's already going | to replace some artists. | | I always thought in my head that this level of creativity would | remain our domain for centuries. Even as of like two or three | years ago I thought that. | | It's insane to me that today some artists feel they're going to | be replaced soon. The idea of centuries is completely shattered | for me and now I don't know if we're a year or 50 years away | from AI replacing humans entirely in the creative domain. I | spent the other day completely in an existential crisis, tbh. | astrange wrote: | The only reason an artist would think they're being replaced | is someone told them they would. So the solution is to not | tell them that, as it's not true. | | (The main instigator on Twitter is a guy who draws "realistic | Pokemon" and hates that an AI may have stolen the art he | already stole from The Pokemon Company.) | moonchrome wrote: | >I always thought in my head that this level of creativity | would remain our domain for centuries. | | From what I've seen these networks are rehashing learning set | images into something matching some criteria to produce | visually pleasing results. Not to belittle the results - it's | impressive - but the stuff I'm not seeing here is | understanding of generated material - nonsensical z-order, | scale/proportions, configuration. | | Fantasy images are an easy target because it's all about | visually pleasing nonsense. | girvo wrote: | From what I've seen, these tools aren't making _new_ styles | (yet? I guess they will eventually, now _that_ would be | existentially fascinating /horrifying) -- so my worry with | them is that they'll basically lock us in to what we have | _today_. | | But then that's sort of a self-limiting factor: it means | theres still space for human creativity in creating _new_ | things, new styles (as not every style exists yet!) -- at | least until said new style gets loaded into the model, I | suppose? | | Fascinating stuff, really. | svnpenn wrote: | > Yes, this will be the end for some artists | | This isn't art. It's a graph meant to represent data. | milsorgen wrote: | I think people overlook the fact that there's more to a photo | than shutter speed, more to a comic than the drawing... There's | message, composition, design, focused iteration, etc, etc. I | really enjoy using DALLE for simulating photographs as it | forces me to think outside of just the viewfinder. | mysterydip wrote: | To your point, I read in a board game group the other day of an | artist using AI generation for a first pass with new clients to | save themselves time. "Is this close to what you want?" then | does the actual art with alterations by hand. If the client | says no or flakes out, a lot less effort was lost than before. | TulliusCicero wrote: | While this is true to a certain extent, you're probably | underselling it a bit. A lot of "evocative" art (e.g. art on | Magic The Gathering cards) can now be done by complete non- | artists playing around with prompts for a little while, in less | time than it would take a professional artist to make the art | manually. | | Now, if you're actually Wizards of the Coast, you probably | wanna spend the money with real artists anyway, but for any | smaller teams, I can see the appeal of just using AI for that | kind of use case now. | Thorentis wrote: | I was hoping for a chance to actuslly compare things like | artistic license, stylistic choices, etc. But instead the author | chose an absolutely terrible prompt. AI image generation is not | intended to generate graphs, and I'm surprised it was even able | to do anything passable given how few it was probably trained on | (if anything I'm more impressed with the AI than I was expecting | to be). | | Please do this again with a better prompt. | darepublic wrote: | Stop prompt blaming this guy. It's a legit experiment in my | opinion | bowsamic wrote: | Please explain why you think that, because I can't possibly | imagine what your justification is | ThalesX wrote: | Not GP but I did the same thing with trying to design a | t-shirt... how is this not relevant? We're trying to asses | various tools to get our jobs done, not trying to create a | peer reviewed scientific paper. | duskwuff wrote: | And it's a legit criticism. There are three major issues I | see here: | | 1) The prompt uses fairly complex grammar which is | incompatible with a token-based parser. In particular, | symbolic references like "The third [...] starts below the | second, and generally follows the second" are going to be | lost on it. | | 2) The prompt includes details which a generative network is | spectacularly unlikely to be able to handle, like asking for | text labels with words like "prosecution" which are unlikely | to be present in its training material. (Generally speaking, | image generation models can only output short words which | they've seen many times, like "STOP" or "PIZZA", and even | those can be iffy.) | | 3) Speaking of training material, most of the training | material given to image generation models consists of | photographs and artwork. Technical diagrams are much less | common, and when they do encounter those images, they're | unlikely to be paired with the sorts of detailed descriptions | that would be required to produce them on demand. | kaetemi wrote: | I've gotten a complete 11 word sentence generated in an | image in Midjourney so far. It seems somewhat better at | text than the other models somehow. | smoldesu wrote: | An experiment is only a single part of the scientific method, | and one can easily neglect the rest of the steps. This | article doesn't start with inquiry or a hypothesis from the | author. We just get data and "I told you so" at the bottom, | which doesn't illustrate anything. | | It's funny that what we _don 't_ see is a shorter prompt. If | you ran this experiment with just "A graph with 3 slightly | wavy lines", maybe the difference between AI and human | results would be closer. Maybe that's the basis for a | legitimate research project, but it's frustrating that the | author takes the ball to the 80-yard-line and just gives up. | sberens wrote: | Hmm did you read to the end of the post? Because I included | a section showing the results on "a graph with 3 lines." | smoldesu wrote: | You're right, I shouldn't have bailed after the first few | paragraphs. Sorry about that :p | binarysolo wrote: | This post is (intentional?) rage bait for nerds - as everyone | else says this is the wrong comparison. | sberens wrote: | I certainly didn't intend this as rage bait, but I can see how | some people would have expected comparisons for typical dalle | prompts. | | I had never seen someone try to generate graphs with dalle so I | thought it was worth sharing. | mattnewton wrote: | Complicated generative models are the wrong tool for the job | here.. And arguable Fiverr commissions are too, these graph | prompts look like they would take about the same amount of time | it took to write the prompt to do in a vector art program once | you got some beginner skills in one. To me this is almost like | asking it to graph functions and comparing it to excel's graphing | tools. | madrox wrote: | I'm pretty sure the author spent more time writing and tweaking | their prompt than it would've taken them to simply draw the graph | they wanted. This isn't merely a matter of illustrating prompt | engineering in humans vs machines. | | I get the point the author is trying to make, but I really wish | the example felt less contrived. | sberens wrote: | The actual timeline is reversed; I started with the sketch, | submitted it to fiverr, realized I wanted to make a comparison | to dalle, and only then I tried to come up with a prompt that | could encapsulate the whole image. | | I can see how it felt contrived, but I hoped to make an apples- | to-apples comparison on a real use case. Then to reduce the | complexity I tried it on a much simpler prompt. | chuckwalla55 wrote: | how long before 90% of the work on fiverr is AI generated? | pmayrgundter wrote: | You got it. | axg11 wrote: | This is a great idea executed very poorly. I would love to see a | larger sample size of AI vs Fiverr with a wider range of prompts. | Graphs are difficult for current models and that was already well | understood. | mikotodomo wrote: | Those tools are for generating images and art, not precise | schematics. The post is criticizing them for failing at something | they aren't meant to do. | arcastroe wrote: | Ha. This is is great. One part that caught my eye was in regards | to the first Fiverr drawing. The author says: | | > However, it seems they didn't catch the part where I said the | black line should go between the first and third lines. | | To me it seems the Fiverr person did attempt this part, but | misinterpreted it. The black line is behind the blue line, but in | front of the green and red lines. Does that count as "between" on | the z-axis? | hey2022 wrote: | I found this comparison interesting! DALLE-2 was being | discussed as a potential end of the graphic design industry. So | seeing how bad it is at interpreting and visualizing this | particular use case was great. | | The prompt used by the author was hard to parse - I had to re- | read it several times. Not surprised both some humans and AI | failed. | bscphil wrote: | I noticed this too! I think their result is a completely valid | interpretation of the original prompt. | montebicyclelo wrote: | These text-to-graph problems seem like a good candidate for | someone to create a training-dataset/benchmark of. | | Bear in mind that the training data for these models has been | mostly images and their alt text, scraped off the web. There is a | good chance that there's nothing remotely like the examples given | here in the training data. (People don't caption their graphs | like that.) These models are undoubtably good at doing what they | have been trained to do - but I think no-one disagrees that | there's plenty of room for improvement. | | (And bear in mind that these text2image models only released this | year, and that this tech in general has only been invented in the | last couple of years, so it's very early days...) | wnkrshm wrote: | This is the niveau of comparing the performance of a fast-food | employee taking a weird order to trying to enter it on a touch- | screen panel. | vanadium1st wrote: | I am a guy who does those kinds of Fiverr commissions. Not the | $10 ones, but plenty of $50-100 dollars ones. I have a lot of | thoughts and concerns about the impact of Dalle-2 on visual arts | as a whole, but I see no threat at all to my Fiverr business. | | 90% of my clients couldn't do anything without a human in chat | that walks them through all the steps. There's no possible | interface simple enough for them to do everything without my | help. They can't figure out which files they want and what to do | with them once they got it. If there's any possible customisation | option - they will use it to make the pre-made template uglier, | and then will ask me if I could do something to make it look good | again. That's what they are paying me for. | lifeisstillgood wrote: | Forgive the dumb question but what kind of output do you make? | | Do people ask for graphs on fiverr like the article? (I can | only imagine sort of "must have a powerpoint ready for 9am in | Tokyo sort of thing. I know that's a real industry even if that | industry always seemed to me like everyone gathering round a | fake painting with everyone knowing it's a fake) | | Anyway - always interested. | gnicholas wrote: | Could a webform be used to ask the questions that you ask | (based on a very large decision tree, of course), and then | either (1) format the results in a way that AI can generate an | appropriate image, or (2) have a human look at the results and | in 4 minutes use AI to generate an appropriate image? | | Do you think that people in your line of work, or adjacent | lines of work, will use AI to offload brainstorming or to get | inspiration? | | My guess (as a complete outsider) is that the skill of drawing | will remain important, but that there will emerge a new skill: | an AI translator, who serves as a midwife for the creation of | AI art. | NoToP wrote: | Midwaif | shredprez wrote: | Bingo. Artists have a new creative tool with new constraints, | tricks, and prerequisite skills. I think the idea it'll | destroy other forms of art (and art-derived commerce) is an | unlikely one since it can be used to fuel many of the | creative arts that currently exist, but I suppose we'll find | out soon enough. | Bakary wrote: | AI is moving so fast that we might be a couple of years prior | to having a program capable of conversing with a dumb and | indecisive person like this and outputting what they want | yieldcrv wrote: | The only substantive comment is that this is the nerdiest most | useless comparison far divorced from any utility in this trending | topic | | Let's show all the ways that these AI obliterate $10 Fiverr non- | AI commissions, thats what people want to see | ahmedbaracat wrote: | Thanks for sharing. Interestingly, I wrote a blog post about a | similar topic: What will happen if ML builders and domain experts | had co-ownership of the data and the model.* I am planning to | generate the first training seed images by using Fiverr and | giving the logo designers ownership rights of the | data/model/profits. | | https://blog.barac.at/a-business-experiment-in-data-dignity | | * vs the current trend of training diffusion models on 400M | images from the Internet (many of them being garbage) with mixed | licenses and letting the user take responsibility of the | generated images licensing issues. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-10-08 23:00 UTC)