[HN Gopher] Ugliest Airplane Ever Built Predicted the Future
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       Ugliest Airplane Ever Built Predicted the Future
        
       Author : prostoalex
       Score  : 53 points
       Date   : 2022-10-07 01:54 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | pier25 wrote:
       | Honestly I think it's actually kinda cute. Would totally work in
       | a Ghibli film.
        
       | krisoft wrote:
       | Based on the title I was so sure it will be about the Northrop
       | Tacit Blue.
       | 
       | Ugliest airplane (in my opinion): check. Predicted the future (by
       | being a fore-runner of modern low observeability stealth planes):
       | check.
        
         | pedalpete wrote:
         | For reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Tacit_Blue
        
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       | theteapot wrote:
       | Ugly?! I quite like it. The mig15's stouter big brother.
        
         | rosywoozlechan wrote:
         | I agree, it's not ugly at all. Looks super cool.
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | Some guy on YouTube builds model planes propelled by power tools.
       | This one reminds me of the plane he built with a leaf blower as
       | its propulsion system:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBC6AZY_O80
        
       | MichaelCollins wrote:
       | The Stipa-Caproni was certainly odd, but I wouldn't call it ugly.
       | Imho, the ugliest plane ever made was the M-15 Belphegor, which
       | has the unusual distinction of being a _jet powered_ crop dusting
       | biplane.
        
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         | capableweb wrote:
         | Hey now, I think the M-15 Belphegor is not that ugly, just
         | unique :)
         | 
         | The Boeing Phalcon 707 however, is a really ugly airplane.
         | Something with its look just make me wanna look away in shame.
        
           | anigbrowl wrote:
           | > Boeing Phalcon 707
           | 
           | I'm not sure what's worse, the nosecone or the name.
        
           | orthoxerox wrote:
           | The whole thread makes me want to rewatch Dastardly and
           | Muttley in Their Flying Machines.
        
           | 867-5309 wrote:
           | Charlie Brown would like a word..
        
           | northwest65 wrote:
           | Now that is ugly, I'm dying to see if somebody can one up
           | that one!
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | Even better... a jet-powered _biplane_ crop duster. And boy is
         | that some ugly shit.
        
           | p_l wrote:
           | The name Belphegor reflects some of the feelings about how it
           | looked, I guess, as it is one of the devils/demons in
           | Christian apocrypha
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | > the Stipa-Caproni was the direct predecessor of the turbofan
       | engine
       | 
       | That's a bit of a stretch. The axial flow turbojet design's
       | compressor evolved in stages into the turbofan.
        
       | p1mrx wrote:
       | Looks like the old Google App Engine logo:
       | https://imgur.com/a/h1S7Nop
        
       | anigbrowl wrote:
       | Given that it's apparently extremely stable in flight and the
       | takeoff/landing are the main issues (largely because pilots
       | literally couldn't see what they were doing), I wonder if this
       | design will make a comeback for unmanned drones? it seems ideal
       | for low power applications where agility isn't the top
       | consideration.
        
       | mannykannot wrote:
       | The design appears to have an exit nozzle area at least equal to
       | that of the inlet. If so, this is sub-optimal from a propulsive
       | efficiency point of view. The cross-sectional area inside is
       | clearly less (mainly due to the engine nacelle), making this a
       | convergent-divergent nozzle, which is desirable only when the
       | flow goes supersonic. For subsonic conditions, a convergent
       | nozzle, with its exit narrower than its intake, is better.
       | 
       | See de Piolenc, 'Ducted Fan Design vol. 1.', 2001
        
       | kulor wrote:
       | Reminds me of the sleek F6 which looks like someone simply added
       | a cockpit and wings to a jet engine:
       | https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/collections/british-ai....
        
       | vehgtuft wrote:
        
       | dingaling wrote:
       | Same principle later implemented by Willard Custer but using wing
       | channelling rather than the fuselage
       | 
       | https://www.historynet.com/custers-channel-wing/
        
       | vehgtuftg wrote:
       | This isn't convincing. The turbofan is a good idea because the
       | propulsive efficiency is better than a turbojet.
       | 
       | The Stipa is a ducted fan, but the resemblance to a turbofan is
       | superficial.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbofan#Principles
        
         | Retric wrote:
         | You can also stick a propeller on a turbojet to increase
         | efficiency without the need for extra ducting though at a cost
         | of cabin noise. That saves weight, but copying this design is a
         | net gain at high speeds.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propfan
         | 
         | It includes an interesting chart where Turbofan is only better
         | above about a Mach 0.75.
        
       | GekkePrutser wrote:
       | I absolutely love the Caproni C22J in Microsoft flight simulator.
       | He wasn't just building weird planes, this one is amazing.
        
       | hodgesrm wrote:
       | I came here expecting to see something about the A380. Completely
       | wrong but not disappointed! The Stipa Caproni is definitely in a
       | class of its own!
       | 
       | p.s., A380s are nice inside but the outside hardly makes the
       | heart sing. They remind me of the Spruce Goose. [0]
       | 
       | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_H-4_Hercules
        
         | chasil wrote:
         | A380s were a big bet that does not appear to have worked out.
         | 
         | A few exponential increases in aircraft travelers could prove
         | this wrong, and restart production, but that does not seem a
         | near-term future.
         | 
         | It was a noble effort, though.
        
           | bobthepanda wrote:
           | The major issue is increased open skies agreements and better
           | twin engine planes totally obviating a lot of hub-to-hub
           | travel.
           | 
           | The only real hubs with enough traffic to support a double
           | deck plane are the massive Middle Eastern ones.
           | 
           | Also, unlike the 747, the A380 is too heavy to be a
           | freighter.
        
             | chasil wrote:
             | Interesting.
             | 
             | I did not know that it wasn't designed with this
             | flexibility. This seems short-sighted.
        
               | bobthepanda wrote:
               | The 747 was actually designed with this in mind from the
               | get-go (hence the raised jumbo hump to allow front-nose
               | loading), because the expectation was that they would not
               | be in service very long until supersonic transports
               | became the norm.
               | 
               | The A380 is just too heavy when empty to carry much
               | freight. It was already a struggle to find engines that
               | could fly the thing, and for airports to upgrade runways
               | to deal with its weight.
        
           | nawgz wrote:
           | I think the weight constraint must make it incredibly hard to
           | fly outside of select routes; it is not trivial to build a
           | runway which you can land and takeoff those bad boys from
           | 
           | I can't see a world they ever build more of them in
        
       | csours wrote:
       | The airplanes of the late 1920s through the late 1930s are
       | absolutely wild. Engines were starting to become more capable,
       | designers had more of a clue, people were willing to spend money
       | on things... but the designers didn't have the whole clue yet, so
       | you get some really amazing things like open top monoplanes that
       | flew at 10k feet.
       | 
       | This YouTube channel covers some really interesting stuff from
       | that time frame:
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0g8HiAbNAE
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       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFNOtsucKE
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       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwa9unx9mpQ
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       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Qz6c38sGk
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       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVnxQCa4ieM
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       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DNGBIqiOaw
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       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD0SYy-stt4
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       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2v5MvgAkaI
       | 
       | Oh, and the Stipa Caproni herself:
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3K0QPfmznY
        
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