[HN Gopher] Ardour 7.0 ___________________________________________________________________ Ardour 7.0 Author : frankzander Score : 158 points Date : 2022-10-15 15:02 UTC (7 hours ago) (HTM) web link (ardour.org) (TXT) w3m dump (ardour.org) | dang wrote: | Related: | | _Ardour -Audacity Alternative to Record, Edit, and Mix on Linux, | OS X and Windows_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27740936 | - July 2021 (55 comments) | | _Paul Davis, lead developer of Ardour on fixing big Linux audio | issues_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739517 - July | 2020 (41 comments) | | _Ardour 5.9 released_ - | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347758 - May 2017 (46 | comments) | | _Ardour 5 released_ - | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281137 - Aug 2016 (64 | comments) | | _Ardour 4.0 released_ - | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9403131 - April 2015 (1 | comment) | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Note that I only started reading HN in 2019, which is why you | won't any info from me in earlier items. | smoldesu wrote: | Holy cow, a nice-looking clip based workflow! | | The other day I bought Bitwig because I was looking for this | _exact thing_ on Linux. I don 't regret it one bit, but it's | amazing to see the beginnings of an open source solution to this! | Hats off to the contributors who pulled through and made this | happen. | conradfr wrote: | Bitwig seems interesting but is so expansive (speaking as a | Reaper user). | | Were you caught in the Bitwig drama around the release of their | plug-ins last week? ;) | squeaky-clean wrote: | I don't know about recent drama but just want to add I won't | ever buy Bitwig because if their servers have an error, it | can lock you out of the app or crash running sessions. These | have happened multiple times. Even if you activated Bitwig | offline, it will still try to reach the licensing server | every few minutes. If the licensing server throws a 500 | error, it refuses to open and closes any running sessions | without saving. | | Most recent incident | | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwig/comments/nvikhf/psa_dont_ope. | .. | | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwig/comments/nvhy81/bitwig_rever. | .. | | https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566368 | AndyPa32 wrote: | The recent drama has been resolved. For a week or so there | was some uncertainty whether all new Bitwig devices would | be part of the Studio edition and therefore covered with | the cost of the update plan. Bitwig (the company) put out a | paid add-on with new devices and announced that there would | be other paid add-ons in the future. That caused a lot of | negative responses in the community. After a week the | Bitwig company apologized, made the add-on part of the | regular Studio distribution and ensured that in the future | all new devices would be part of the Studio - effectively | no additional paid add-ons. | | The thing with the licensing server has been fixed. I tried | that by turning off my router. No session closing and no | data loss whatsoever. | gavinray wrote: | If you're interested, there's a $20 plugin for REAPER that | introduces a fantastic clip-launcher workflow, complete with | MIDI controller integration/remote controls. | | https://www.helgoboss.org/projects/playtime/ | bambax wrote: | Didn't know about that, thank you! (Their terminology is | confusing though: a "VST" that only works in Reaper is a | Reaper plugin, not a VST proper...?) But anyway, will try it! | squeaky-clean wrote: | Reaper has it's own specific plugin format and language, | JSFX (no relation to javascript), so that's probably why | they specify it uses the VST format. But also relies on | Reaper specific APIs making it only work in Reaper. | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Reaper has some VST(TM) extensions that only it supports. | So if you create a VST(TM) plugin that uses one of them, | it will not run (correctly) in other hosts. | smallerfish wrote: | Playtime doesn't support linux though, does it? | smoldesu wrote: | That looks awesome, I'd be interested in giving it a whirl | once they add Linux support! Currently I'm sticking with | Bitwig for the excellent DrivenByMoss Push1 integration, but | eventually I'd like to give Reaper a try (since it has the | same Push1 plugins). | stefanos82 wrote: | What is the original story behind Ardour's creation? | | What motivated you writing such complicated application? | | P.S.: I have the GUI layout and I don't care what people say | about GTK! | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | I wanted a DAW to record my own fledging attempts at electronic | music. I took a vow in the 80s to never use Windows, Apple | systems seemed overpriced, and I had years of *nix experience, | including a bit of Linux. In the late 90s there was a Linux app | called "Multitrack" which seemed capable on the surface, but it | turned out not to be. I called Digidesign to ask them if I | could port ProTools to Linux for them (for free), and they | laughed. So I thought "how hard could it be to just write my | own?" ... 22+ years later, here I am. | | A longer version is here: | https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ardour-20th-birthday/102333 | protomikron wrote: | That's a cool story. | | Ardour is awesome and shows that specialized niche software | can compete or even out-compete commercial proprietary | software (like QGIS in the GIS space). | | I hope it will be around for a long time and it's a nice | piece of software, thx Paul. | frankzander wrote: | you might find this interesting | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZndTAbjPqm0 - I think Paul | talks a bit about the background of Ardour and it's history | gavinray wrote: | This is incredible, massive bunch of features! | | Congrats on shipping | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | I'm Ardour's original developer and I'm happy to answer any | questions anyone may have about the release. | keepquestioning wrote: | Have you made any money from it? | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Ardour revenue is about US$180k/yr at present. I make a | reasonable middle-class income from it, help support another | full time developer, and put aside any surplus to help pay | other people associated with the project (e.g. website, | documentation). | mixmastamyk wrote: | Does it interact with pipewire any? Or prefers existing apis | like jack? | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | No native Pipewire API support and none planned. On Linux, | there are audio/MIDI backends for ALSA and JACK. Pipewire | mostly supports the JACK API (and likely will do so | completely in the near future). | | [EDIT: if you can work with playback only (e.g. during | editing or mixing), we also have a PulseAudio backend on | Linux that will (like JACK) also talk to PipeWire. ] | slim wrote: | Ardour was impressive since the first time I opened it. Thank | you for making such high quality software for linux. | | what was your motivation to start this project? | | how do you use ardour yourself? | | do you have any music to share ? | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Ardour history (also posted downthread): | https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ardour-20th-birthday/102333 | | I don't use Ardour much myself. When I make music, I mostly | use the amazing VCV Rack or its slightly-more-FLOSS fork, | Cardinal | | As for music, not really but last December I did release | this: https://pauldavismusic.bandcamp.com/album/suspended- | generati... | yupis wrote: | Can I use to make a Dj mix? | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | You'd have to explain what "a DJ mix" means to you before I | could answer that. | nxpnsv wrote: | That said, it certainly is possible to make _a_ DJ mix with | Ardour... | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | It's all gone Pete Tong. | stelcodes wrote: | Hi Paul, just wanted to say thanks for working so hard on | Ardour. I just started playing with Ardour in Fedora on my | Framework laptop, but I've been thinking about buying a M1 mac | to make music because I miss Logic and Ableton. These release | notes have got me hyped because now I might not want to! I'm | very excited to try out the clips and freesound features. I'll | definitely be buying a license soon. You (and the rest of the | brilliant Ardour contributors) seriously rock! | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Thank you. Just to be clear about one thing: nobody buys a | license for Ardour, it is released under the GPL. | | You _can_ choose to pay us for the service of building it for | you, or if you like, providing a ready-to-run version that we | can actually support. That revenue allows myself and other | Ardour contributors to work on Ardour as a way of making a | living. | makapuf wrote: | Thanks also, I had the privilege to exchange with you on | the linux-audio-dev mailing list a few times way back in | the time of quasimodo and creation of LADSPA, I learned so | much thanks to your dedication and knowledge about audio | programming and how to create an useful api ! | beardyw wrote: | I installed a copy of Ubuntu Studio on a spare machine a couple | of years ago. I had come from Windows and Reaper and was used to | one app where everything was controlled by the app. I was | relatively new to Linux but kind of new my way around. But I | found the principal of separate applications talking to each | other a compelling idea, but in practice totally frustrating! I | had VSTs I wanted to use and I got some to work though I don't | remember how, but many synths just wanted to act alone via | communication. Has anyone done anything to make all that less of | a headache? Or was I doing it wrong? | | Not suggesting this is any fault of Ardour's. | squarefoot wrote: | I've used LinVST in the past to run Windows VSTs on Linux with | mixed success, but it was more of a hit and miss; today I'm | extremely happy with Yabridge which is a lot more polished, | doesn't crap out at every WINE update and also is much quicker | to operate. | | https://github.com/robbert-vdh/yabridge | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Plugins on Linux work just the same way they do on macOS and | Windows. | | But yes, it is true that to some extent, there was a tradition | from the late 90s to the 20-teens to create synths as | standalone apps for Linux, connected via JACK. | | That is really going away now, and you can run U-he synths, | Helm, Vitalium, Serge and many others as plugins just like you | do on macOS and Windows. | [deleted] | NexRebular wrote: | How's the latency situation nowadays on FreeBSD? | armitron wrote: | I've looked at Ardour in the past but GTK put me off from | investing serious time into it. Now that there is REAPER, I have | to ask, what does Ardour do better and why would one pick Ardour | over REAPER? | adamnemecek wrote: | It's open source. | frankzander wrote: | What's your problem with GTK? I mean I like good UIs and this | is what attracts me. So Ardour has a good looking UI (IMHO). | How does the window toolkit impact you? | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Reaper is a fine DAW, and there are many fine DAWs. For the | most part, which DAW is better for a given user depends a great | deal on their prior experience, specific expectations and | likely workflow. Neither Ardour nor REAPER are "better" than | the other - they are different, and some people will love one | and hate the other. More typically, some people will find a | particular workflow that they use cumbersome in one of the DAWs | and easier in another. | | If you'd like, you can listen to myself (lead dev of Ardour) | spend 2.5hrs chatting with Justin Frankel (lead dev of Reaper). | It won't do much to answer your specific question, but might | reveal that the similarities in our development processes and | history and goals are much broader than you might expect: | http://adc.equalarea.com/2022/02/07/adc1/ | | If you're a user of Ardour, why would our choice of GUI toolkit | have much impact on your use of the program? | armitron wrote: | I appreciate the time you took in crafting this response, I | will listen to the conversation that you linked. | | Regarding GTK, I could never stomach the specific "feel" that | it has, and it's also been incredibly buggy for me on | platforms other than Linux, and I use macOS and Windows a lot | too. I haven't found a single GTK app that I can tolerate | using on Windows or macOS so far. I find QT a lot better in | that regard. | | I was a heavy user of Inkscape (GTK) back when there were no | free alternatives, but when Krita (QT) matured I switched to | it and never looked back. | PaulDavisThe1st wrote: | Not much of Ardour uses GTK (the editor and mixer all use | our own stuff). You will find GTK in text entry, treeviews, | menus and the filebrowser. In the long term we'd like to | drop back to just GDK (window and event primitives), but | those 4 "widgets" are major things to implement correctly, | and that's not likely to happen any time in foreseeable | future. | spacechild1 wrote: | This interview is a gem, thanks a lot for sharing! ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-10-15 23:00 UTC)