[HN Gopher] Logseq: Privacy-First, Joyful Platform for Knowledge...
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Logseq: Privacy-First, Joyful Platform for Knowledge Management
Author : cube2222
Score : 53 points
Date : 2022-10-15 20:55 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| celeritascelery wrote:
| One of my favorite things about logseq is that it supports org-
| mode markup syntax. I use it for talking org notes on the go
|
| https://coredumped.dev/2021/05/26/taking-org-roam-everywhere...
| __jem wrote:
| Wow, thanks so much for sharing this. I just decided to switch
| my life over to org-roam from Obsidian, and this makes me feel
| so much less locked into that decision! I decided against
| Logseq as my primary tool for other reasons, but this is great
| to know.
| andrepd wrote:
| The website is not loading on Firefox, unfortunately.
| sharps1 wrote:
| Loads fine in FF for me (Win11). Try with a separate profile.
|
| EDIT: Main website loaded and the Live demo seems to work.
| ajvs wrote:
| Having used other note taking software for the past decade (in
| particular outliners) Logseq is my new favourite, I just wish
| they'd focus on performance issues though.
|
| Indexing and general responsiveness slows down massively once you
| have a few million words stored, and you have to break up your
| data into many smaller notes or you'll suffer even greater
| slowdown. Despite this I'm putting up with it at the moment
| because they seem to be making good progress improving the app
| and it's open-source unlike many of their competitors.
| koyanisqatsi wrote:
| Is it programmable? Can I write snippets of code within logseq to
| traverse the graph and aggregate some data? I can imagine
| combining tensorflow.js with such code to create a personal
| search engine.
| cube2222 wrote:
| There is a plugin system, so I'd expect you to be able to go
| crazy with it.
| __jem wrote:
| It exposes limited scripting in Clojure if you don't to write a
| plugin in JavaScript. I wouldn't say it's fully programmable
| but somewhere in-between.
| solarkraft wrote:
| I use Logseq personally and for work almost daily since a year
| ago or so. It's pretty nice and the "least bad" PKM platform I'm
| aware of (no mandatory subscription, local data and source
| availability are important factors).
|
| Remember that if you use and like Logseq you can sponsor it:
| https://opencollective.com/logseq
| arde wrote:
| Logseq forces to use too many bullets for my linking. I prefer
| Dendron, although it takes a bit of an effort at first.
| cube2222 wrote:
| I've started using Logseq only a couple days ago, after having
| used Bear and Obsidian before.
|
| The thing about my note-taking has always been that I'm creating
| lists with increasingly nested bullet points, with some
| occasional prose in-between. The problem being that lists go down
| on the page (as you add new stuff at the top) and get forgotten.
| I haven't realized - until recently, that is - that outliner
| tools are actually created for this very use-case.
|
| I'm specifically not interested in the knowledge-base use-case.
| It's more like creating lists with points being current thoughts,
| topics, and ideas, and the sub-bullets being new
| realisations/further thoughts about the point, with the list
| occasionally getting very deeply nested. Something akin to
| discussing with yourself.
|
| Having now given Logseq a try, it looks like it's much closer to
| the increasingly-nested lists workflow I've been looking for. One
| of the bigger discoveries was the "turn this block into its own
| page" command, that kind of made the tool click and is a very
| good solution for when the lists get too deeply nested.
|
| Btw, what do people recommend for sync? I've heard of data-loss
| being a common problem with standard cloud sync.
| marcosfelt wrote:
| I just switched over to LogSeq from Roam Research, and I'm
| using Github for syncing and backup. I wrote a short blog post
| about it: https://kobifelton.com/notes/freeing-myself-from-
| roam-resear...
| Nuzzerino wrote:
| Have you tried syncthing?
| lab14 wrote:
| I've been using Workflowy for the last few years. Highly
| recommended.
| andrepd wrote:
| Workflowy is quite nice, but I do worry about it being online
| unencrypted.
| uhuruity wrote:
| Logseq's own sync is now in testing and you can access it if
| you're a sponsor ($15/month tier). I became one just to try it
| out. It works fine but has enough bugs that I wouldn't rely on
| it yet - but they are responsive to fixing the bugs that we
| report.
|
| Just saying this to let you know that their sync is reasonably
| far along in development and one option would be to wait it
| out.
| solarkraft wrote:
| > $15/month tier
|
| Oh my. I've been considering trying it out, but I'm not that
| high.
|
| Sync via Syncthing has problems with conflict resolution,
| unfortunately (but I think these could be reasonably easily
| resolved).
| noteguy wrote:
| Have you tried RemNote? Every bullet is a node, so there's no
| block/page choice to make. The syncing is real-time CRDTs for
| each bullet, so no conflicts.
| smeej wrote:
| The one feature that would just MAKE my PKM would be if Logseq
| could basically do for epubs what it can do for PDFs.
|
| I spend hours every day reading epubs, highlighting them, adding
| notes. It's almost all in KOReader, but it ends up trapped there.
|
| When I highlight and annotate PDFs in Logseq, they become
| connected with allllll my other notes. I even got a system
| running for scanning paper I receive to PDF, adding an OCR layer,
| and importing to Logseq.
|
| But I spend something like 200x the amount of time reading epubs
| as PDFs and I haven't found any local/FOSS tool that can bridge
| this gap.
| oever wrote:
| Web Annotations would in theory work better for epubs than they
| do for pdfs.
|
| Making web annotations in PDFs is either coordinate based (page
| + rectangles) or text bases (quoted text). The quoted text in
| PDFs is error-prone because PDF is a layout format. Text
| quotations are more precise in epubs.
|
| The base url for such annotations should be content-addressable
| storage, i.e. a hash instead of a plain url.
| sharps1 wrote:
| This video was helpful for me. There is a lot to unpack here as a
| beginner.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asEesjv0kTs&t=1882s
| emmab wrote:
| I had two main problems with LogSeq when I used it:
|
| 1. Not designed from the ground-up to prevent data loss. Has had
| data-loss issues in the past.
|
| <strikethrough>2. An electron app that doesn't let you open
| multiple documents at once. (edit: nevermind, seems like they did
| lots of feature development here)</strikethrough>
|
| That said, I don't know of any other good local-first outliners
| (i.e. like Workflowy).
| cube2222 wrote:
| Re #2, what do you mean?
|
| So far I've seen that there are tabs, you can open a document
| in the sidebar, and you can also open multiple windows.
| emmab wrote:
| Oh, nevermind on #2 then. Sounds like they've been doing a
| lot of feature development.
| cube2222 wrote:
| FYI, the tabs are a plugin.
| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| If you are looking for a simpler alternative check out Workflowy.
| Been using them since a long time and never found a reason to
| switch.
| karencarits wrote:
| I love LogSeq and am deeply impressed by what they have achieved
| in very short time. The embedded PDF reader is quite good and the
| option to add comments directly as blocks is amazing. Making
| queries is still a bit hard for beginners and not as flexible as
| in e.g. TiddlyWiki (https://tiddlywiki.com/), but it is becoming
| increasingly powerful
|
| There are, however, some annoyances left; for example, the
| support for ordinary checkboxes (not todo elements) is
| surprisingly limited for a software based on lists
| abendy wrote:
| I've been using Logseq for a couple of months. Generally very
| happy with it. I previously used Roam and prefer the local
| markdown files vs cloud.
|
| What resources do other users find most useful for Advanced Query
| documentation and discussion? The official documentation is
| pretty bleak. I've become pretty comfortable with Datascript and
| for the most part built out what I need. But nearly all of the
| really advanced tips have come from random gists and forum posts
| none of which I have seen in any documentation. Most Google
| searches bring up pages of examples that are exact copy/pastes of
| other pages, gists...
| krono wrote:
| That's a very vague privacy policy[0] with more tracking and
| analytics than I would have expected for something that claims to
| be "Privacy-First". I guess it only applies to the users'
| content.
|
| [0]: https://docs.logseq.com/#/page/Privacy%20Policy
| bachmeier wrote:
| That must be for the original version, which was online. You
| can download Logseq and use it like any other local app. I
| don't know how they'd get access to user content.
| uhuruity wrote:
| To add to the other reply you got, their own sync (which
| they're testing right now) claims to end-to-end encrypted your
| data (and, if I recall correctly, filenames/paths too?)
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