[HN Gopher] A Danish political party led by an AI ___________________________________________________________________ A Danish political party led by an AI Author : bubblehack3r Score : 42 points Date : 2022-10-16 18:26 UTC (4 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.vice.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.vice.com) | RobotToaster wrote: | I for one welcome our new robot overlords democratically elected | politicians. | cloudking wrote: | Smart comment for when it's parsed later to determine your | alignment :) | kthejoker2 wrote: | His username suggests he might be doing the determining :) | hunglee2 wrote: | logical conclusion will be to skip political representation and | go directly to policy. Interesting experiment, look forward to | seeing more, as we definitely need to upgrade our political O/S | mtgx wrote: | parminya wrote: | If you skip representation, you don't know what you're | optimising for. If you include representation, then you will | not exclude groups you didn't know existed in the process (or | even groups who are generated by AI's policy development | process). Skipping representation would be an awful, | authoritarian distopia. | kbob wrote: | Ah, to be in a stable democracy where political campaigns can be | whimsical! | | Here in [insert country], it's a grim struggle against the forces | of [disliked party] who want to destroy our way of life, and it's | dangerous to risk losing a few voters to silliness. | hypertele-Xii wrote: | Well they have only 11 of the required 20_000 signatures to be | an eligible voting target in elections, so this new party isn't | even part of the political process yet. | cpeterso wrote: | This reminds of "liquid democracy": voters can delegate their | votes (including fractional votes) to other people | (representatives, friends, caregivers, etc), organizations, or, | in this case, an AI. I'd say most voters already do this, | referencing voter guides from their preferred political | organizations or local newspapers. | | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_democracy | | Science fiction author Alastair Reynold touches on different | types of democracies in a couple of his novels. One example is | the demarchists, cyborgs with a direct democracy where everyone | votes on even minor issues using brain implants. | | Another was a proportional democracy where voters who got the | "right answers" in previous elections would have their future | votes more heavily weighted, effectively becoming indirect | representatives of other voters. | alexvoda wrote: | How is the last example different from an incumbents paradise? | To me it looks like a road to autocracy. | | As for the demarchists, The Orville had an episode about this. | There are many reasons it does not work in practice at a medium | or large scale. | Taniwha wrote: | We all know how this ends: put your AI on to the internet and it | becomes a nazi | antegamisou wrote: | Can't tell if this is tongue-in-cheek, but a few years back an | AI bot by Microsoft ended up spewing racist replies after a | while online! | | https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35902104 | Mockapapella wrote: | This pops up every few years and I always leave frustrated by | a lot of the discussion around it. Tay had a feature where it | would repeat things that were tweeted at it/sent in a DM | (can't remember which, but that feature was 100% present), | 4chan users caught whiff of this, and if I remember correctly | that is where a lot of the overt "holocaust-denying racist" | comments came from. | | Another piece of information that I've never been able to | find out about Tay is how was it constructed. Nearly all | progress in AI since that point has occurred with a frozen | model. Once a model is trained, that's it, no more learning, | no more optimizing. Sure you can fine tune it, but that's not | nearly the same as learning on the fly like Microsoft claimed | Tay was able to do, and even so those concepts only became | popular several years after Tay was around. If anyone knows | more about how Tay worked under the hood, I'd be really | interested in knowing because this has been an unsolvable | mystery just lingering in the back of my mind for years now. | roywiggins wrote: | GPT-3 is susceptible to a variant of this. User input that | masquerades as instructions will get it to parrot you. | | https://simonwillison.net/2022/Sep/12/prompt-injection/ | Taniwha wrote: | exactly | ohiovr wrote: | The image of the beast will be AI. | thedorkknight wrote: | The "Beast" was Nero. Like that was actually his nickname. It | adds up to 666 in gematria, which John of Patmos was using. The | image of the beast was literally his image on Roman coins, | which was the only legal currency, so they needed it to buy and | sell. Also, branding of slaves was sometimes done on their | hands. | | This is the imagery that John of Patmos was pulling from, not | visions of microchips, barcodes, vaccines, or AI. He was under | Roman oppression and all the imagery used in Revelation is | directly relevant to it's writer's own context - no need to | editorialize and fear monger | more_corn wrote: | I could have sworn you said "best". One of the images sci-fi | authors hold of AI is an intelligence you can direct to be | fair. "Design a housing policy so it's fair to the highest | number of people" | | Humans might claim we want fairness but our policies inevitably | favor the people who make the policy. AI as an ostensibly | objective party might be able to be more fair. | | Of course we probably won't like it because when presented with | objectively fair policies we'll wonder why we can't have | policies that unfairly favor our group anymore. For example a | fair housing policy will probably favor people who don't have a | lot of power. | | Think for a moment about who that is and you'll prove my point. | yrgulation wrote: | Gotta fix all them bugs first. | ginko wrote: | What is the political process/oversight on updates and upgrades | to the algorithm? | Genbox wrote: | What is the process/oversight on changes in human politicians? | noduerme wrote: | It won't end well if Leader Lars is stolen by the Pirate Party | next door... | teddyh wrote: | Digital pirates don't steal, they _copy_. | pstuart wrote: | It would be interesting to pair this with the legal code being an | annotated spec. | | Every regulation could have annotated associated/assumed costs | and benefits, with links to measurement of outcomes. | greenbit wrote: | Wasn't this an episode of Black Mirror? | anonporridge wrote: | My read of that episode is more about the non human nature of | public figures. | | Media personalities, politicians, high level executives, and | leaders of any kind generally aren't real people. They're | figureheads. They're simulations of human beings occupied by a | real human playing the character. And when the human behind the | scene starts deviating from the character they're supposed to | play in service of the institution or the meme it leads, they | get replaced and a new pilot takes over running the simulation. | | We individual humans aren't in charge. We are all just hosts | for memes. https://wearehostsformemes.com/ | guerrilla wrote: | > Media personalities, politicians, high level executives, | and leaders of any kind generally aren't real people. They're | figureheads. They're simulations of human beings occupied by | a real human playing the character. And when the human behind | the scene starts deviating from the character they're | supposed to play in service of the institution or the meme it | leads, they get replaced and a new pilot takes over running | the simulation. | | There's a word for that: actors. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-10-16 23:00 UTC)