[HN Gopher] 75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifeti...
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       75% of the time we spend with our kids in our lifetime will be
       spent by age 12
        
       Author : gmays
       Score  : 77 points
       Date   : 2022-10-18 21:58 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | JoeAltmaier wrote:
       | Can confirm.
       | 
       | If you put a penny in a jar every time you spend time with your
       | kids until they get to school, then take a penny out every time
       | after that, you will never empty that jar.
        
         | silisili wrote:
         | Do you mean high school, or college? Surely not elementary...
        
       | gamerDude wrote:
       | This is also a reminder of the opposite. For those of us on here,
       | we have less than 25% of our time with our parents left.
       | 
       | I lost my father earlier this year. I count myself lucky that I
       | felt very satisfied and complete in our relationship.
        
         | netsharc wrote:
         | Long, but at the end he does the stats about approximate time
         | left with his parents:
         | 
         | https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/12/the-tail-end.html
        
         | Arrath wrote:
         | Fuck.
        
         | scarby2 wrote:
         | i likely have < 5% left. I moved internationally and have
         | parents in their 70s i will likely see them less than 200 days
         | in total.
        
       | PragmaticPulp wrote:
       | One of the things I have a hard time conveying to non-parents is
       | that the most time-intensive parts of parenting don't last
       | forever.
       | 
       | I've talked to a lot of young people who say they don't want kids
       | because they think their personal lives will permanently halt the
       | moment they have kids. I spend a lot of time trying to explain
       | that:
       | 
       | 1) I still spend a lot of time with friends and can do most of my
       | personal hobbies/activities on weekends. My wife and I are good
       | at sharing the load. You don't need 2 parents watching kids 100%
       | of the time.
       | 
       | 2) The sleepless nights and diaper changes are a mere blip on the
       | scale of a lifetime with kids. You deal with it, then the kids
       | grow up quicker than you think. Don't let the idea of the first
       | few months/years define your entire decision for how you want to
       | structure your family for the rest of your life.
       | 
       | 3) You actually _like_ hanging out with your own kids. I talk to
       | a lot of people who are anchored to some negative experience they
       | had 10 years ago babysitting for someone else 's kids, as if that
       | was representative of parenting life. It's not at all. At the end
       | of the day, I actually rush to finish up my work so I can have
       | more kid time. It's fun.
        
       | nathanaldensr wrote:
       | I wish the author had provided a source for their claim.
        
         | msufan wrote:
         | exactly -- it's almost like the author just made the number up
         | out of thin air or something...
        
         | dcotter wrote:
         | It looks like a back-of-the-envelope calculation to me: twelve
         | summers before the developmental changes she mentions divided
         | by sixteen, when they start driving, get a summer job, start
         | dating, etc. You could probably plot a curve of hours per
         | summer, starting to decline at twelve and declining fast after
         | sixteen...
        
         | EGreg wrote:
         | I don't.
        
           | hanoz wrote:
           | Quite. It's too depressingly plausible a thought as it is,
           | with digging up evidence that it is actually true too.
        
       | wang_li wrote:
       | While it may be a true statistic, it seems to dramatically miss
       | the boat. Time spent with a newborn, with an infant, with a four
       | year old, with a ten year old, with a sixteen year old, with a
       | twenty year old are not the same. You can have more interaction,
       | more contentment, more sense of continuity, and more sense of
       | family, in a Thanksgiving weekend spent with your adult child and
       | their family than the entirety of your kid's first year.
        
         | barbariangrunge wrote:
         | What percent of statistics are made up again? 75% maybe?
        
           | luxuryballs wrote:
           | 75% are made up, 62% are made up on the spot.
        
       | sklargh wrote:
       | My dad's death caused me to reevaluate the relative value of time
       | during my child's very early years. Prior to his death, I
       | primarily saw them as developmentally critical but personally
       | unfulfilling. After his death I reoriented much of my day to
       | maximize time spent. I regret that it took this event to make me
       | realize this but hey, personal epiphany has costs.
       | 
       | Also - many thanks to the OG Nest team; thanks to your hardware I
       | have high quality video of my son and my father together. They
       | were only able to meet outside due to peak COVID.
        
       | ourmandave wrote:
       | This reminds me of that song I really hate, _Cat 's in the
       | Cradle._
       | 
       | I've long since retired, my son's moved away
       | 
       | I called him up just the other day
       | 
       | I said, I'd like to see you if you don't mind
       | 
       | He said, I'd love to, dad, if I can find the time
       | 
       | You see, my new job's a hassle, and the kids have the flu
       | 
       | But it's sure nice talking to you, dad
       | 
       | It's been sure nice talking to you
       | 
       | And as I hung up the phone, it occurred to me
       | 
       | He'd grown up just like me
       | 
       | My boy was just like me
       | 
       | And the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon
       | 
       | Little boy blue and the man in the moon
       | 
       | "When you coming home, son?" "I don't know when"
       | 
       | But we'll get together then, dad
       | 
       | We're gonna have a good time then
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | Search out _Cat 's in the Kettle_ it may help the ear worm.
        
         | abraae wrote:
         | This is a verb between my grown son and I.
         | 
         | "You're cat's cradling me, aren't you!"
        
       | davidw wrote:
       | Well that's a downer.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | ProfessorLayton wrote:
       | A huge asterisk here is that this varies _greatly_ by culture.
       | For better or worse* certain cultures value strong family bonds
       | and time spent with the parents, as well as bilateral support
       | well into adulthood. Many cultures also encourage
       | multigenerational living within a single household (or in
       | extremely close proximity like my parents did).
       | 
       | For example, my parents were happy to have me live at home as
       | long as I wanted, and in fact encouraged me to stay so I could
       | save up. Ideally in their eyes I wouldn't even move out until I
       | was married. In my parent's culture, I'm not seen as a loser or a
       | burden because I'm living with them as an adult, only if I wasn't
       | contributing to the family's prosperity. Of course I wanted to
       | live my own life sooner than that, but that doesn't mean I left
       | as soon as I was 18.
       | 
       | Because of these strong family ties I live within minutes of my
       | parents, and still make sure to visit often, even if it's just
       | for dinner.
       | 
       | *Where this can breakdown is if one does not fit neatly within
       | the boundaries and expectations set by cultural norms.
        
       | daveslash wrote:
       | As a stepfather who came into my stepdaughter's life when she had
       | just turned 10, I'm not sure how this makes me feel.....
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | If it makes you feel better, _her_ memories will mostly be from
         | the post-ten year old era. Think how much of your elementary
         | life you can remember, and then your high school.
         | 
         | As CATS famously said, "You have no chance to survive make your
         | time."
         | 
         | We're not going to get out of life alive, and how we spend the
         | time we have is the only real decision we can make.
        
         | jameshart wrote:
         | For you the stats will be different. And that's fine.
         | 
         | It's not like it's the _best_ 75%.
        
       | thenerdhead wrote:
       | A nice reminder to call your folks more often and encourage
       | different ways of communicating until you find the right way.
       | (calls, letters, emails, etc)
        
       | cgsmith wrote:
       | The statistic might be accurate but what a terrible way to
       | explain it. "75% of the time we spend with...." what? You already
       | lost me.
       | 
       | Just say that by the time a child is 12, you have 6 more summers
       | left. The impact is greater even if the premise isn't true. Which
       | it isn't. It's a false premise. Now you have X years as an adult.
        
       | keithnz wrote:
       | on the flip side, a lot of kids experiences before 12 will be
       | forgotten, some will be super memorable for their entire lives,
       | but a lot of their memories of you as a "parent" and who you are
       | as a person will be after the age of 12.
        
         | JamesSwift wrote:
         | That was a bittersweet realization for me. Thinking back to my
         | own childhood memories and what age they correlate with. I have
         | a couple school-specific memories from 4-8 or so. Then they
         | kick in more fully from 8-13ish. Then it becomes more "normal".
         | My oldest is 8, so he probably will only now begin to remember
         | our life together.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | It's even more scary when you realize that many of your
           | memories from that far ago are "enhanced" by photos, etc (the
           | brain isn't great at distinguishing) - so take pictures/video
           | of the things you'd like to remember, it lasts longer.
        
         | PragmaticPulp wrote:
         | > on the flip side, a lot of kids experiences before 12 will be
         | forgotten,
         | 
         | A lot of children's life experiences before 12 will shape them
         | and their worldview for the rest of their lives, whether they
         | actively remember it or not.
        
       | Teknoman117 wrote:
       | Feels odd writing this, but for me, being able to defy this was a
       | positive consequence of the pandemic.
       | 
       | I lived alone after I finished college and started working. 3.5
       | years later this whole pandemic things starts. I ended up moving
       | back home for 2 years because my job went full remote. My
       | siblings and brother-in-law (sister's husband) joined as well.
       | 
       | It was surreal living together again as adults.
        
         | andirk wrote:
         | Who got the top bunk?
         | 
         | I love visiting my family but after a couple weeks, I feel like
         | a kid again and start acting like one. Asking for dinner,
         | sneaking out to smoke, staying up late watching cable TV. Any
         | extended amount of time feels unhealthy.
         | 
         | But now that they're about to start getting actually old, I
         | want to visit constantly because nothing is forever.
        
           | etrautmann wrote:
           | Isn't it crazy how much context changes behavior? I've found
           | the same. Hard not to be my high school self when back with
           | those friends.
        
           | Teknoman117 wrote:
           | > Who got the top bunk?
           | 
           | If I'm being honest, my parents had an enormous house, so we
           | all got our own rooms and there was still an office space
           | available. They sold it after we all moved out again.
           | 
           | We all made a tremendous effort to stay adults regarding
           | keeping the place in order and cooking. We'd cycle dinner
           | prep through all of us based on work schedules. It was
           | interesting, and since all of our collective friends took
           | lockdown extra seriously, there really was no one to go see.
           | 
           | My parents are in their early 50s, so they're definitely not
           | young anymore, but they're still some time away from
           | something I'd consider "actually old", but my definition may
           | be a bit skewed because 3 of 4 of my grandparents are still
           | with us and 2 of them have a clean bill of outside of being
           | in their late 70s.
        
         | chrischen wrote:
         | It's amazing how many people did this during the pandemic (me
         | included).
        
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       | thrown_22 wrote:
       | Well yes. There's a lot less need for dipper changes after 12.
        
       | 1-6 wrote:
       | Darn, wish I learned of this advice 10 years ago.
        
       | bmacho wrote:
       | Every human has exactly 1 testicle, or why you can't just take an
       | average and claim that for the group.
        
       | danschumann wrote:
       | "Spend all the evenings you can with the people who raised you
       | 'Cause all the times they will change, it'll all come around"
       | -Lorde
        
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