[HN Gopher] DaVinci Resolve for iPad
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       DaVinci Resolve for iPad
        
       Author : dagmx
       Score  : 337 points
       Date   : 2022-10-20 15:37 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | retskrad wrote:
       | Apple massively increased the price of the the entire iPad line-
       | up in Europe. It's going to be interesting to see what impact it
       | will have on Apple's earnings. Will Apple's goodwill make people
       | accept the new prices or will Apple's brand take a hit for
       | increasing the price in times where people are financially
       | vulnerable?
        
         | collegeburner wrote:
         | well Apple's an American company and we have one of the few
         | relatively strong currencies in the world. so anything we
         | export is going to get very expensive for y'all very quick.
         | don't be so fast to blame Apple.
         | 
         | Apple's cost of business in europe is also going up from fines
         | and requirements to e.g. migrate charging. so it's not
         | surprising that is passed through to european customers.
         | 
         | also there are plenty of good substitutes and Apple has always
         | been more of a premium brand so i don't think the "financial
         | vulnerability" argument holds water here.
        
         | Bud wrote:
        
         | samatman wrote:
         | Apple doesn't need Europe. The region it's included in is worth
         | 19% of Apple's business, and that region includes the Middle
         | East, India, and Africa. Europe might be 10% of the business,
         | maybe a bit more, maybe less.
         | 
         | Worth keeping in mind. They're quite able to wind down business
         | in Europe if the alternative is being forced to build their
         | devices in a way they don't want.
         | 
         | Raising prices to match the extra cost of doing business in
         | Europe is a no-brainer. If that means it's no longer profitable
         | to sell to the subcontinent, no problem, they'll just... stop
         | doing that.
        
           | sangnoir wrote:
           | > They're quite able to wind down business in Europe if the
           | alternative is being forced to build their devices in a way
           | they don't want
           | 
           | This assumes Apple's management has the stomach for the
           | resulting negative revenue growth and the subsequent reaction
           | from Wall Street.
           | 
           | Also, a huge chunk of their cash offshoring / tax
           | minimization strategy is based in Europe: they'd revert to
           | _USB-A_ charging ports if the choice was between that and
           | shutting down the Irish office.
        
             | samatman wrote:
             | Why would they pull out of Ireland? They could have one
             | store in Dublin, that sells the last model iPhone which was
             | grandfathered in, while supplies last, for a couple grand,
             | or whatever the price ends up being once Europe is done
             | objecting.
        
           | kaba0 wrote:
           | Maybe have a look at the "Brussel effect" wiki page. The EU
           | is big enough to make worldwide changes financially the
           | rational choice, so these choices are made based on EU laws.
        
           | not_math wrote:
           | Even if it's just 10%, you don't abandon 10% of your market.
           | That's 8 billions for Apple just last quarter.
        
           | krzyk wrote:
           | EMEA does not include India.
           | 
           | And the MEA is peanuts compared to the first E when you think
           | about money available to spend.
        
             | diebeforei485 wrote:
             | Have you read any of Apple's financials?
             | 
             | It says right there, in every single one of Apple's
             | quarterly and annual reports:
             | 
             | > Europe includes European countries, as well as India, the
             | Middle East and Africa
        
           | smoldesu wrote:
           | It's cute to imagine a world where that happens, but there
           | isn't a chance Apple abandons their multi-billion dollar
           | European investments because everyone hates the lightning
           | connector. The premise of Apple leaving Europe is an idle
           | threat.
        
         | simonh wrote:
         | Given that keeping prices the same would weigh down their
         | earnings as well, since they're reported in dollars, the
         | financial impact of this is not a simple thing to calculate.
        
           | haunter wrote:
           | Oh wow company makes $1,7b profit instead of $1,9b. The end
           | is near. Capitalism is really a cancer when the only thing
           | matters is growth growth and growth.
           | 
           | The Facebook movie was really spot on with the "A million
           | dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool? A billion" line
        
             | cyberlurker wrote:
             | They have a responsibility to their shareholders. I think
             | raising prices amid inflation is the responsible thing to
             | do... these are not essential goods like food and fuel.
        
             | pb7 wrote:
             | You could opt for consumer electronics from European
             | companies instead.
        
             | bitL wrote:
             | People still don't understand exponential function /
             | compound interest...
        
             | hemantv wrote:
             | Hate capitalism as much as you want. But it's the only
             | system that consistently uplift people and improve standard
             | of living over time.
             | 
             | It's the best system among all the bad systems out there.
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | sounds like hardened political rhetoric to me and
               | classical capitalist realism - no place for that here
        
               | dijonman2 wrote:
               | How does your comment differ from your own judgement?
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | where am I repeating a hardened propaganda line? all I
               | did was identify one
        
               | simonh wrote:
               | If you can find evidence of a different system that's
               | come anywhere close to raising living standards of
               | ordinary citizens nearly as much, I'd love to hear about
               | it. And no, China doesn't have a communist economy,
               | pretty much everything productive about China is
               | capitalist.
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | wengrow & graeber's recent research shows plenty of
               | evidence (post discovery of agriculture and well beyond
               | dunbar's number), that's a good place to start with your
               | question. tangentially, mark fisher is also good for
               | unpacking what you've said
        
           | tshaddox wrote:
           | It's certainly not simple for me to calculate, but I would
           | guess that Apple has people with more information and more
           | experience calculating such things. It's not usually a
           | company often associated with being bad at making money.
        
         | astorsnk wrote:
         | It's not like they did it out of spite or greed - both the EUR
         | and GBP have plummeted against the USD over the last year. One
         | area they could look at though is outrageous storage premiums.
         | The price jump between levels is now a joke.
        
           | e3bc54b2 wrote:
           | > The price jump between levels is now a joke.
           | 
           | It has always been a joke. Now it just ain't funny anymore.
        
           | bitL wrote:
           | 300 to 600EUR increase for the most basic iPad is not
           | reflecting 25% EUR collapse.
        
             | astorsnk wrote:
             | They're likely pricing in further changes. Better to assume
             | things will get worse and price that in once, than have to
             | reprice every few months.
        
             | soneil wrote:
             | The european price is actually better than it was last time
             | around, which is surprising. Using Irish numbers (because
             | I'm Irish ..)
             | 
             | At announcement (Sept 2021), the 9th gen was $329 US, which
             | was EUR280 (at the time). Plus +23% VAT gives us EUR345.22.
             | The actual retail price was EUR399 - 15.5% higher?
             | 
             | At announcement, the 10th gen is $449 US, which is EUR459.
             | Plus +23% VAT gives us $564.75. The actual retail price is
             | EUR599 - 6.5% higher.
             | 
             | The hike is the increase in the base price, plus the
             | exchange rate, plus the accompanying tax. We're actually
             | closer to parity on this release than the last release.
             | 
             | (Also - you must admit rounding 399 to 300 is rather
             | disingenuous.)
        
               | diebeforei485 wrote:
               | Apple still sells the 9th gen iPad. How much does it cost
               | today in Ireland?
        
               | soneil wrote:
               | EUR450.
               | 
               | It's still $329 in the US, which is EUR336 here, or
               | EUR413 after tax. So it's 9% higher than parity - better
               | than it was (at release), but not as close as the 10th
               | gen is.
               | 
               | What I tend to see in apple's european pricing is three
               | (well, 2.5) things. One is that they're ridiculously
               | hooked on round numbers. 413 is never going to be 413 on
               | the sticker. And two, is that it's very rare that they
               | change the sticker price after it's released. (Sounds
               | silly when they've just bumped the 9th gen & ipad mini,
               | but I'm genuinely struggling to think of any prior
               | examples).
               | 
               | So the .5 is that this means their prices include what's
               | essentially a gamble on the currency. It doesn't just
               | reflect where the rate is now, it reflects where they
               | think it's going. This time last week, we were paying
               | less dollars for the 9th gen than the US was - and
               | they've taken the unusual step of actually correcting for
               | that. In short, the house always wins.
               | 
               | I just don't buy the theory that the increase is a
               | punishment for the EU's decision on usb cables etc. The
               | EU and US prices are aligned within roughly the same
               | margin they're usually aligned by. It seems people don't
               | realise how quickly a 20-something% shift in currency and
               | a 20-something% tax rate add up (on top of the increase
               | on the US price), and they'd rather grasp at theories
               | than calculators.
        
               | bitL wrote:
               | 9th gen is 339EUR in Germany (3rd party sellers).
               | 
               | Also, when it comes to a market, typically sellers have
               | to adjust pricing to market conditions or they move
               | categories. 340EUR is already cost for a premium Android
               | tablet and iPad just started at that price.
        
         | mritun wrote:
         | That's interesting! It could partly be explained by falling
         | Euro but could also be Apple increasing prices to include the
         | "fine" taxes. Cost of doing business invariably gets passed on
         | to customers.
        
       | Jamesmoorez wrote:
        
       | BolexNOLA wrote:
       | Man BMD has been absolutely crushing it the last 2 years or so.
       | The number of people I see jumping to resolve as their main NLE
       | is staggering. They were often mocked when they jumped into the
       | cinema camera game in the early 2010s and now their imaging
       | hardware is a production mainstay at all levels of the industry.
       | 
       | I am very curious to see how their foray into iOS goes here.
       | Could be huge. Frankly I just feel like I lack the imagination
       | for what this opens up. Can't wait to experiment!
        
       | post_break wrote:
       | Pretty incredible this can come out before Final Cut Pro for
       | iPad.
        
         | jbverschoor wrote:
         | apple has some real issues since about a year or two
        
         | birdman3131 wrote:
         | Its not out yet.
        
           | BudaDude wrote:
           | It will be before Final Cut most likely
        
         | ExMachina73 wrote:
         | I think this shows that Final Cut Pro on iPad was never really
         | in the cards. Furthermore, Apple is using this Davinci Resolve
         | release in their own marketing materials. I love Final Cut Pro,
         | but as time goes by it seems like it's headed the way of
         | Aperture, after competitors like Adobe Lightroom took over the
         | marketshare - cancellation. Especially when other developers
         | are creating great software like Resolve and LumaFusion. Not to
         | mention hundreds of film editors wrote an open letter to Tim
         | Cook "begging for Final Cut Pro commitment."
        
       | oDot wrote:
       | In a fairly related note -- if there's an available editor here
       | that knows anime style and pacing, please let me know where I can
       | see your stuff
        
       | lvl102 wrote:
       | This is nice but any serious video editor would use a Macbook
       | instead no? Why bother with this version?
        
         | barkingcat wrote:
         | Field editing, showing clients live renders as they give you
         | suggestions for edits, being able to grab the ipad and work on
         | some ideas while on the go.
         | 
         | All of these comments "why use ipad instead of Macbook to do x"
         | has been answered a long time ago. The massive market sale
         | through rate for the ipad ecosystem answers the justification
         | better than anyone on this site can answer.
         | 
         | Same for the Lightroom/Photoshop on iPad folks - why use
         | lightroom on ipad? so you can do it on the go without opening
         | up your macbook. And use the pencil.
        
         | yamtaddle wrote:
         | For some things, you need a "real" computer.
         | 
         | For some things, you need a tablet ("LOL what could that
         | possibly be?" Oh, I dunno, does your laptop have multiple very-
         | high-quality cameras built-in with all kind of fancy depth-
         | sensors and AR-related hardware, an accelerometer, et c.? GPS
         | and/or cell radio? Touch & drawing input? Stupid-high idle
         | battery life, with near-instant-on from any level of sleep?
         | Sure, some have _some_ of that, but how many have all,
         | especially without peripherals? How comfortable is it to use
         | while standing, or while walking around? How good 's your
         | laptop at replacing a scanner? Reading PDFs or ebooks while on
         | the go?)
         | 
         | The more things i-devices can do well-enough that were
         | previously desktop- or laptop-only means more times you don't
         | need to have _both_ devices to be able to do all the things you
         | want to do.
         | 
         | It's harder to go the other way (making laptops/desktops good
         | at the things tablets are good at--most of those require adding
         | more, expensive hardware, and changing or hybridizing the form
         | factor) so the trend is in the direction of making tablets more
         | and more capable.
        
           | smoldesu wrote:
           | It wouldn't be such a concerning trend if Apple was simply a
           | really good hardware vendor. Instead, the iPad is a toll-road
           | with a 30% tax that goes straight to Apple. If they gave iOS
           | alternate app stores _or even just opened the iPad
           | bootloader_ (as we know is fully possible on M1), people
           | wouldn 't be shifting in their seats as much. Instead, Apple
           | is innovating in one hand and extorting in the other, and
           | then pretending like both can't exist without the other.
           | 
           | There isn't a company in the world that has a larger R&D
           | budget than Apple. If $200 billion dollars in liquid funding
           | can't design a decent, _freedom respecting_ tablet, then
           | Apple hasn 't fixed much of anything (in my opinion).
        
         | twobitshifter wrote:
         | Apple Pencil is iPad only
        
           | NonNefarious wrote:
        
         | BudaDude wrote:
         | The biggest reason would be the portability. If you are on a
         | plane, using an iPad is often much easier than a full laptop.
        
           | dopa42365 wrote:
           | List of people color grading hollywood movies on their ipad
           | during plane flights:
        
       | eole666 wrote:
       | This is nice, but it's not that incredible : Windows tablets
       | running Resolve smoothly exists since many years (Surface Pro),
       | and they do run the full davinci resolve suite on top of an
       | actual desktop OS.
       | 
       | On the other hand, M1/M2 ipads pro should be way more powerfull
       | than the Surfaces if you need to do some heavy editing/color
       | grading. And it seems they optimized this version for the pencil
       | use.
        
       | Ruq wrote:
       | Ok, this is a pretty big deal.
        
         | BudaDude wrote:
         | Agreed. iPad pros have had a serious lack of professional video
         | editing software. This may be the thing that makes me buy an
         | iPad Pro.
        
       | teeray wrote:
       | So excited for this. I really love editing photos on my iPad in
       | Lightroom... I find it relaxing. Much more so than if I had to
       | grab my laptop to do it. Looking forward to doing the same with
       | my drone footage now.
        
       | darkteflon wrote:
       | To all the experienced DVR users: does it have good native media
       | management capabilities?
       | 
       | I'm an FCPX user and always felt that was a big black mark
       | against FCPX. For instance, it seems designed to manage your
       | media on a per-project basis, and can't easily be shoehorned into
       | having a single large (organised) library accessible from many
       | loosely-coupled projects. Disconnected original media drives
       | don't have graceful failure states - even when using a local
       | proxy workflow. Tagging, sorting and displaying large media
       | libraries always feels quite cumbersome. That kind of thing.
       | 
       | Keen to hear whether DVR is more sensible - I'm quite keen to
       | give it a go if so.
        
       | clean_send wrote:
       | This is incredible on so many fronts. 5-10 years ago, I would
       | choose my computer based on it's potential to edit video. A
       | decade ago, most laptops couldn't handle the load of uncompressed
       | video. 5 years ago, having iMovie on your Ipad allowed us to make
       | sub <5 minute videos of low-res/processed files. Now we have an
       | intersection of 1. an Ipad is powerful enough to handle this type
       | of data processing and 2. BMD has found ways of dealing with the
       | huge file sizes and rendering / editing in real time. Unreal. I
       | imagined this would come some day but not today.
        
         | simonh wrote:
         | We're still getting used to how much things have changed in the
         | M1+ era.
        
         | bitL wrote:
         | How is iPad going to handle RAW 8k video? Its highest storage
         | is small, good only for a scratch disk at best or for very
         | short movies.
        
           | barkingcat wrote:
           | LumaFusion, aka the only way to edit professional video on
           | iPad before this announcement, supports direct
           | editing/ingestion and working directly on an external ssd.
           | With USB-C and thunderbolt supported on the M1 ipads, the
           | experience is basically, hook up your 4TB samsung external
           | portal drive, and edit away. You don't need to copy the
           | information onto the ipad itself. The export also goes to the
           | external drive.
           | 
           | If BMD did not support this fuction for Resolve, they will
           | have a hard time competing against LumaFusion.
           | 
           | However I think LumaFusion will be very carefully monitoring
           | this market. It is theirs to lose.
        
             | drcongo wrote:
             | LumaFusion is a fantastic app, but I do find it a bit
             | fiddly to use sometimes - really precise edits are much
             | harder than they should be. Looking forward to giving
             | Resolve a go though.
        
           | simonh wrote:
           | When it does support it, probably very well. iPads could
           | support editing and playing back multiple simultaneous 4K
           | video streams long before desktop Macs could due to the huge
           | bandwidth between cpu, memory and gpu of A series chips. M
           | chips dialed that up to 11.
           | 
           | As to your storage concerns USB-C iPads, apart from having up
           | to 2TB of internal storage and up to 16 GB of memory, support
           | external drives just as well as any laptop. The time when
           | high end iPads had below low end desktop specs is long gone.
        
           | mkaic wrote:
           | If you have a camera that shoots RAW 8k video, I'd wager you
           | aren't using an iPad to edit on.
        
             | Gordonjcp wrote:
             | Yes, but you might be using an iPad to take your rushes and
             | throw together a quick assemble right there on set, "there
             | that's how it'll look", and even import the timeline into
             | your proper project.
        
             | bitL wrote:
             | OK, iPad Pro has something like 4k-5k video camera, which
             | produces a lot of RAW data anyway (assuming software can
             | access RAW feed with some lossless compression applied), so
             | the problem is still there unless you want to prepare
             | videos with ugly artifacts from compression.
        
               | Retric wrote:
               | iPad Pros can have 2TB onboard and hook up to external
               | storage just fine. There isn't much difference between
               | that and the average laptop.
               | 
               | That said 90% of users are probably going to be working
               | with compressed 4k video because they don't notice the
               | difference and it saves time.
        
           | wil421 wrote:
           | Not many people are going to care. I know a lot more people
           | with 4k and lower short videos from iPhones/GoPros/Drones you
           | name it. Being able to edit personal videos on the fly would
           | be very nice.
        
           | Vrondi wrote:
           | Now that mobile devices are getting this powerful, we need
           | them to start supporting larger storage again.
        
             | conductr wrote:
             | They are expandable now up to 40Gb/s per tech specs
        
             | Gigachad wrote:
             | The iPad has options up to 2TB SSD and supports USB4
             | external storage along with 10Gbit ethernet.
        
           | yieldcrv wrote:
           | I don't think it is the tool for the job
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | I don't think it is the tool for _that_ job, but for
             | footage acquired on the iPad it will do just fine thank you
             | very much. The iPads are being used for shooting way more
             | frequently than I 'd have given credit, until I realize
             | that if an iPad was available back when I was unable to
             | afford other equipment, I'd have used the hell out of it
             | too. We shot the shit out of
             | VHS=>SVHS=>Hi8=>Digi8=>DV/MiniDV as if it were film. Now,
             | there's image stabilization, light as a feather, prices are
             | a fraction of prior so for the price of one thing you can
             | get like 3 or 4, and then consider them crash cams, etc.
             | Then when you get done shooting, there's 0 time wasted on
             | transfering to your editor as your friggin camera is the
             | editor and the color corrector. I mean, why the hell would
             | you not do this if you're a broke ass college film student.
             | hell, even elementary school kids could be doing this. it's
             | mind boggling what kids have at their finger tips now.
        
               | yieldcrv wrote:
               | I was talking about the specific thing I responded to. 8k
               | RAW video on a device without the storage for it. But I'm
               | sure there are proxies possible.
               | 
               | You can likely find some out of touch people to
               | proselytize to somewhere else on this thread.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | And i was agreeing with you. The proselytizing as you
               | call it was me being able to expand past the nonsense
               | proposed and offered up a more compelling workflow. Sorry
               | to offend thy sensitivities on expanding upon a
               | conversation.
        
           | thetinguy wrote:
           | External drives just like people using macbooks
        
             | bitL wrote:
             | Does iPadOS support them well though?
        
               | Gigachad wrote:
               | Surprisingly yes. It used to be a limitation that apps
               | would have to import the file on to local storage, edit,
               | export back to external. But now extra APIs have been
               | added and video editors can edit on external storage.
               | 
               | The iPad has been sitting in this limbo state where they
               | are way more powerful than most people expect but still
               | not really worth it when you can get a MacBook for the
               | same price and do more.
        
               | scarface74 wrote:
               | Yes, you plug it in and it shows up in the Files app as
               | another storage source along with iCloud and any third
               | party service you have like OneDrive, Dropbox, Google
               | Drive or you can store files locally in the iPad.
        
         | regular wrote:
        
       | z9znz wrote:
       | Has anyone here used an iPad as their primary editing tool?
       | 
       | Unless one were really constrained by weight or items, I don't
       | know why someone wouldn't just edit on their Macbook.
       | 
       | I think it's great that you can do this on an iPad; I just wonder
       | how useful it really is. The Macbook Air is pretty small and
       | lightweight already.
       | 
       | It would be interesting to see a side by side editing session
       | comparison with two people, one using an iPad, and the other
       | using a laptop.
        
       | FractalHQ wrote:
       | Too bad iPad OS is a joke. A gutted version of a real software
       | program running on an M1 should not be exciting news in 2021.
        
       | jokoon wrote:
       | I tried it something like 1 or 2 years ago, it crashed.
       | 
       | I don't if there are CPU or GPU requirements.
        
         | mkr-hn wrote:
         | How could you try something that didn't exist?
        
       | taylorbuley wrote:
       | Another easy way to use Resolve for free. Anyone here can and
       | should use Resolve for quick and dirty color correction. Like
       | having a good mic, it really makes your video stand out in terms
       | of quality.
        
       | andrewmunsell wrote:
       | I've used LumaFusion for years since it's the only real editor
       | option on the iPad. They took _forever_ to launch vector scopes
       | and they still don 't have keyframe easing or basic speed
       | ramping, so it's good to see some competition here.
       | 
       | The syncing feature may just push me to use Resolve full time,
       | since it'd let me do basic cutting and even color grading on the
       | iPad and any intensive work on my computer seamlessly.
        
       | mortenjorck wrote:
       | This is "only" two of the seven modules included in the desktop
       | version, but even just one would be a breakthrough on the iPad.
       | 
       | The full DaVinci Resolve is nuts: it covers a complete,
       | Hollywood-level workflow of DAM, editing, grading, sound, and VFX
       | (with probably the most generous freemium model in existence, by
       | a good margin). The iPad version covers one of the two edit
       | workflows (the one more tailored to broadcast than film) and
       | color grading, which will cover quite a few use cases without
       | anything else. I can especially see this being used by serious
       | YouTubers and independent content creators.
       | 
       | I wonder if the asset management module is planned, as that would
       | seem to be the next-most broadly useful module.
        
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         | TheRealPomax wrote:
         | As long as folks don't think it's an NLE, because that's the
         | one thing it isn't.
         | 
         | (Even though half of its users try to use it for that, get
         | stuck, post on the forum, and then get the other half yelling
         | at them because "it's not an NLE". 17 and 18 took things in the
         | right direction, but it's still going to take a few more
         | versions before people giving it a shot because they think it's
         | a free Premiere or After Effects get burnt)
         | 
         | Edit, because people seem to not understand how Resolve is
         | fundamentally different from a "normal" NLE like Avid's or
         | Adobe's (suggesting they don't actually use Resolve, which is
         | fine, but downvoting because you disagree is kinda weird when
         | it _really_ isn 't like normal NLEs):
         | 
         | Resolve has NLE functionality, but it didn't start as an NLE,
         | and its main focus wasn't to "be an NLE". This is first and
         | foremost grading software, born out of wanting the best tool
         | for grading cinema/broadcast video, the thing Black Magic sells
         | cameras for. And of course, the best grading software needs a
         | minimally functional edit view because you can't grade clips if
         | you can't work with clips. And so it had that.
         | 
         | And while BM has been steadily improving that view and wants to
         | morph Resolve to a more general purpose video editing suite
         | (and in the processing become more like a real NLE rather than
         | software with NLE functionality) you're still in a node-graph-
         | based grading suite, just with NLE bells and whistles. A lot of
         | what you'd do to your clips or layers, you still do in the
         | "color" view in Resolve.
         | 
         | If you think you downloaded an NLE, that's going to be weird
         | and unexpected. If you know you're working in grading software
         | that also has a pretty great NLE functionality at this point,
         | things make a bit more sense. Of course, the cry for "real" NLE
         | behaviour is strong, and if many of your users want something
         | (and your name isn't Adobe) you start adding what users want,
         | to the point where BM now wants Resolve to become a full video
         | editing suite, so we're getting there. But slowly. And it won't
         | truly "be an NLE" until probably several version from now.
        
           | cowmix wrote:
           | I've seen quite the opposite. A good percentage of people
           | coming from Premiere or After Effects feel burnt for all the
           | years they spent in the Adobe suite. Just in stability alone
           | is Resolve leagues better. The "batteries included" feature
           | set is not only comprehensive in all parts of the video
           | production pipeline, it is world class in many of the
           | specific categories it competes in.
        
           | ayewo wrote:
           | What's NLE in this context?
        
             | boulos wrote:
             | Non-Linear Editor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-
             | linear_editing
        
             | jpk wrote:
             | Non-Linear Editor, which includes things like Adobe
             | Premiere, AVID Media Composer, etc.
        
               | Joeboy wrote:
               | And Davinci Resolve's Edit page (I don't know why the ggp
               | says it's not an NLE).
        
               | fragmede wrote:
               | It's an nle like after effects is one. It's not _not_ an
               | nle but it 's roots are elsewhere so because of that,
               | it's hard to see it as one, despite advances in the
               | software.
        
               | Gordonjcp wrote:
               | What do you think the Edit page and the Cut page are?
        
               | fragmede wrote:
               | Scary new technology that wasn't around back in the day.
               | Grandpa Simpson said it best: "I used to be with 'it',
               | but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with
               | isn't 'it' anymore and what's 'it' seems weird and scary.
               | It'll happen to you!"
        
           | _aavaa_ wrote:
           | Can you provide some context as to why it's not a NLE?
           | Everywhere i've seen it talked about it's described as an NLE
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | fattire wrote:
             | Of course it's a non-linear editor roughly on par with
             | Avid, Final Cut, or Premiere. With all due respect, this
             | person has no idea what they're talking about.
             | 
             | The Cut page (as opposed to the Edit page) is what's
             | apparently to be included on iPad, but it's 100% as legit a
             | NLE as any other. I wouldn't call After Effects a NLE per
             | se, but the node-based corollary to AE in Resolve is called
             | Fusion and doesn't appear to be (initially) included on
             | iPad.
        
               | TheRealPomax wrote:
               | Moved this response as an edit to the main comment on
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33277308 instead,
               | but keeping this comment rather than deleting it, because
               | the replies to it have value to the discussion.
        
               | fattire wrote:
               | (You edited your comment to oblivion, but because it was
               | so embarassingly wrong, I don't blame you.)
               | 
               | My original response:
               | 
               | "close enough to a NLE"?? What the--
               | 
               | DaVinci Resolve has included a standalone non-linear
               | editor since 2014. Today it has every major feature one
               | would expect from a NLE-- with the noted exception of a
               | lack of some codecs in the Linux version due to licensing
               | issues, AAC being conspicuously one of them. So ffmpeg is
               | often needed for transcoding media. I have a fair amount
               | of familiarity with Avid, Final Cut Pro (7, not X), and
               | to a lesser degree Adobe Premiere, and some experience
               | with other NLEs from OpenShot to iMovie to Lightworks to
               | Blender's NLE. Not only is DVR a feature-packed NLE- it
               | ALSO includes a ProTools-like audio editing component
               | called Fairlight, a node-based 2d/3d After Effects-like
               | component (which integrates neatly with Blender) called
               | Fusion, and a best-in-class color grading tool, for which
               | Resolve is probably best known, which has roots going
               | back to the DaVinci color correction systems of the
               | 1980s.
               | 
               | DaVinci Resolve has not one NLE interface, but TWO-- the
               | traditional Avid-like Edit page, and a new "Cut Page"
               | (the one that appears in the iPad demo videos), which I
               | think first showed up in DaVinci Resolve 17 (18 is
               | current) and that is meant as a faster UI for doing a
               | rough assembly that heavily integrates with the "Speed
               | Editor" specialized hardware. For a while, there were
               | deals where the Speed Editor came free with a ($300)
               | Studio License. Now, I think it's $400 maybe (?) The paid
               | Studio version includes extra features like more plugins
               | (many of which use neural networks to, say, infer depth
               | or separate objects from backgrounds), headless python
               | scripting, 3d audio, 8k export, and pro stuff like that.
               | 
               | I'm presuming the iPad version will also work with the
               | Speed Editor (it can connect via bluetooth or USB).
               | 
               | And since you mentioned it, the Fusion-style node system
               | is considered superior by many pros to the older layers-
               | based system used by After Effects, which is why it has
               | been adopted by newer software from Unreal to Blender to
               | nuke, etc. Also, you _can_ drop effects  "on" clips and
               | layers-- this can be done in the Edit page as per
               | tradition, and works as expected.
               | 
               | Since DaVinci Resolve is meant to run in CentOS, I've
               | helped collaborate on a method for running it in a Linux
               | container as well for anyone who might be interested:
               | 
               | https://github.com/fat-tire/resolve
        
               | cowmix wrote:
               | The "Cut Page" has been a godsend for me. I'm going
               | through about 1500 hours of footage right now and that
               | editing mode is the only thing that has made my task even
               | remotely possible for me to pull off.
        
               | myself248 wrote:
               | > Since DaVinci Resolve is meant to run in CentOS, I've
               | helped collaborate on a method for running it in a Linux
               | container as well for anyone who might be interested:
               | 
               | Soooooooooo interested, but sadly it seems NVidia-only.
               | 
               | If Blackmagic would put some of their port-to-iOS muscle
               | on a make-it-work-with-AMD team, it'd be useful to me.
               | Alas, I have a knack for picking losers.
        
               | fattire wrote:
               | Only for lack of hardware to test it on. There is an open
               | issue if you want to try your hand at getting it to work
               | on non-NVidia, though it will run best on some kind of
               | dedicated GPU due to the heavy graphics operations it
               | does.
               | 
               | See https://github.com/fat-tire/resolve/issues/8
        
               | Joeboy wrote:
               | > in any normal NLE, you put your effects on your clips,
               | or your layers. You don't do that in Resolve, because
               | it's grading software
               | 
               | You can add effects onto clips in the Resolve NLE. If you
               | just want to use Resolve as an NLE (ie. you don't want to
               | colour-grade your work or do complex VFX in Fusion), you
               | don't need to go near a node graph.
               | 
               | Perhaps there is some pedantry to be done about whether
               | it _is_ an NLE or _has_ an NLE. No dispute that it used
               | to be colour grading software and the NLE was bolted on
               | later (like a decade ago).
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | Joeboy wrote:
           | > you're still in a node-graph-based grading suite, just with
           | NLE bells and whistles. A lot of what you'd do to your clips
           | or layers, you still do in the "color" view in Resolve.
           | 
           | The Edit Page isn't node-graph-based, it's a timeline with
           | tracks and clips. What NLE functionality don't you have in
           | the Edit Page?
        
             | cowmix wrote:
             | AFAIAC "nodes" are a feature of Resolve, not a bug.
        
               | Joeboy wrote:
               | In their place for sure, but I'm not sure how a node-
               | based NLE would work.
        
               | fattire wrote:
               | As you mentioned, the nodes are used in Fusion and the
               | Color page, where they belong, not in either timeline
               | editor (Cut Page & Edit Page).
        
               | regular wrote:
        
           | gamblor956 wrote:
           | DaVinci Resolve is professionally regarded as an NLE and has
           | been for several versions. In some ways, it is a better NLE
           | than Premiere.
           | 
           | While it _was_ primarily grading software, Black Magic has
           | stated its intent for it to be used as a general purpose
           | video editing solution.
        
           | totetsu wrote:
           | Hell if you arrange the toolbars and the camera and squint
           | your eyes right, then wack yourself with a brick, even
           | Blender can be used as an NLE
        
             | trynewideas wrote:
             | Aside from the non-linear animation (NLA) tools, which are
             | pretty mature, Blender's video editing is pretty close to
             | an actual feature since 3.2.0's Video Sequencer quality-of-
             | life improvements.[1]
             | 
             | Video Sequencer docs: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/3.
             | 3/video_editing/introdu...
             | 
             | Compositor docs: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/3.3/com
             | positing/index.htm...
             | 
             | It's still clearly built to help animators tie together
             | renders, with most of the actual "editing" happening in the
             | NLA tools. But it's also not the hack/kludge experience
             | that it was in the 2.x series.
             | 
             | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJNbXYnt9Q
        
               | cowmix wrote:
               | I bebop back and forth between Blender and Resolve and,
               | yes, Blender has made some great improvements but I
               | _STILL_ have sound sync issues on 3.3. Otherwise, Blender
               | is pretty good - but I prefer Resolve overall.
               | 
               | One thing that Blender has over Resolve on Linux is the
               | ability to import ANY mp4 source video. Stupid licensing
               | issues prevent Resolve (and even the paid Studio version)
               | from doing that.
        
             | sprkwd wrote:
             | I feel seen. :/
        
         | andybak wrote:
         | DAM?
        
           | tjkrusinski wrote:
           | Digital asset management. Simply: indexing and storing large
           | audio and video files in a durable way.
        
         | DoctorOW wrote:
         | Even when Resolve was only ever those two modules (and back
         | then the edit was pretty basic) I thought it was incredibly
         | good. DaVinci's dedication to publishing free (of charge)
         | software is one of the few things keeping Adobe in check.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | Slight nitpick, but Blackmagic is releasing the product for
           | free. Before the acquisition, DaVinci would _NEVER_ have
           | released Resolve for free. At least based on their pricing
           | models from decades prior.
        
             | gizajob wrote:
             | What's your point? Resolve has been free for ages.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | That the name of the company giving something away should
               | be accurately noted. DaVinci is no longer a company. It
               | is a brand owned by a company. The brand doesn't set the
               | pricing. The company does.
        
             | DoctorOW wrote:
             | Whoops sorry, I meant Blackmagic.
        
           | Melatonic wrote:
           | My problem was I always found it to have weird holdovers in
           | terms of UI from hardware integration days of colour
           | correctors. Hopefully that is gone now. But for example you
           | used to not be able to just drag your full screen viewing
           | window to a second monitor - they forced you to get their
           | little hardware PCIe card. Given that most Nvidia cards will
           | do 10 bit colour now with the studio drivers I hope they have
           | rethought this.
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | They prefer for the GPU cores to be doing math rather than
             | displaying image. That's why you can get away with the GPU
             | not being in a full lane width slot. The little PCIe did
             | more than just send out an HDMI signal back then as well,
             | as most of it went to an SDI or even older analog component
             | BNCs. No GPU I've ever seen has had those connectors.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | digitallyfree wrote:
               | My AMD W8100 has a SDI port. They're only seen on the
               | workstation cards, not the consumer ones.
        
               | angry_octet wrote:
               | NVIDIA Quadro FX SDI cards, ~2008-2020.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | holy jeebus, i had never heard of this board. but a quick
               | search found this bit of oddity:
               | 
               | "DVI-to-DVI Connection
               | 
               | Connect one end of the DVI cable to the DVI connector on
               | the SDI Output card and the other end to the "north" DVI
               | connector on the NVIDIA Quadro FX 4600/5600 card as
               | shown. The SDI output will not work if the cable is not
               | connected to these two connectors."
               | 
               | So it was an external pass thru type system that just
               | converted DVI to SDI. They joined the daughter card via
               | external oddball cable rather than making an internal
               | ribbon cable connection.
        
               | angry_octet wrote:
               | Yep, it was just to convert computer graphics into
               | broadcast TV world. Probably powering a bunch of TV
               | stations weather broadcasts for the next decade.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | That's still a few rungs up from the older skool tech of
               | a large round table top with the different gauges for
               | things like temp/pressure/humidity/etc on it that rotated
               | at a set speed with a stationary camera mount so that the
               | gauges would spin underneath it. For a lot of small cable
               | companies this was the "weather" for that cable company.
               | It would be setup at the head end where all of the
               | various satellite dishes were pulling the feeds. An ex-
               | coworker's family was responsible for that existing, so I
               | used to hear all sorts of "back in the day" themed
               | stories about it.
        
           | digitallyfree wrote:
           | I've seen a lot of students serious about video editing
           | switching from (typically pirated) Premiere Pro to Resolve as
           | the free version got better and better. One student told me
           | his high school filmmaking class was switching from FCP to
           | Resolve so that everyone could easily work on their projects
           | at home. It's pretty much the only freeware professional
           | editing suite available - and if some of those students later
           | work in the industry they'll prefer the system they're
           | familar with.
           | 
           | When I used Resolve several years ago the system requirements
           | were high but you could mitigate that by using a proxy
           | workflow.
        
         | NonNefarious wrote:
        
       | CharlesW wrote:
       | This is a good reference for anyone complaining that the new iPad
       | is "too powerful", which happened a bunch in the recent
       | announcement threads. Yes, not everyone's going to be editing 8K
       | video on their iPad, but everything that makes that possible
       | makes lots of other current and future advanced use cases
       | possible. For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad
       | has an important part in Apple's mixed reality plans.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | SSLy wrote:
         | > For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad has
         | an important part in Apple's mixed reality plans.
         | 
         | The LIDAR is there to serve as a playground for the app
         | developers, including in-house. A glorified dev board. I doubt
         | iPads themselves will be a part of Apple's XR plans.
        
           | CharlesW wrote:
           | > _I doubt iPads themselves will be a part of Apple 's XR
           | plans._
           | 
           | iPads are serving as a proxy for the Reality headset today.
           | Meaning, you can go to https://www.apple.com/augmented-
           | reality/ right now to get a preview of how Apple will be
           | selling Reality to customers.
           | 
           | We don't yet know how Reality will work with iPads/iPhones,
           | but one can read the tea leaves by thinking about how Apple
           | will leverage technologies like Handoff, Continuity, AirPlay,
           | etc. It's not crazy to think that Reality will leverage
           | nearby devices for storage, connectivity, and even compute
           | and GPU.
           | 
           | In other words: Rather than wondering _if_ iPads will be part
           | of Apple 's MR plans, I recommend thinking about _how_ iPads
           | will increasingly be part of Apple 's MR plans.
        
       | Valgrim wrote:
       | Simple question here: Video files are HUGE. An iPad, even with a
       | fairly large storage for a tablet, would be quickly swamped by
       | the files, and to transfer the RAW video files to and from the
       | device would make it quite frustrating.
       | 
       | Is there a way to connect an external drive on an iPad?
        
         | andrewmunsell wrote:
         | Presumably, you could edit using proxies on your iPad and only
         | have those actually synced to the iPad itself for space saving.
         | It's not 1:1 to your source footage, but depending on how you
         | encoded the proxy it certainly would be good enough for cutting
         | footage on the go and you could sync the project back to your
         | computer to continue working.
        
           | Melatonic wrote:
           | Yeah proxies would be the way to go with this - that or short
           | form content. You could easily have a bunch of high quality
           | videos on an iPad to edit a single 2 or 3 minute video which
           | may be their target audience here. Once you are done send
           | those high quality source files up to a cloud storage and
           | delete them locally.
           | 
           | Personally I am still waiting for someone to really get the
           | proxy workflow right - it still requires too much manual
           | control and planning. Someone needs to create a very robust
           | asset management plane that does a better job of autolinking
           | files when they are accidentality unlinked (could be easily
           | done with a simple AI analyzing video content of different
           | files along with an audio analyzer).
        
             | andrewmunsell wrote:
             | > Personally I am still waiting for someone to really get
             | the proxy workflow right - it still requires too much
             | manual control and planning. Someone needs to create a very
             | robust asset management plane that does a better job of
             | autolinking files when they are accidentality unlinked
             | (could be easily done with a simple AI analyzing video
             | content of different files along with an audio analyzer).
             | 
             | I'm hoping that the iPad app will push BM to be the ones to
             | do this. Given that the concept of a filesystem on an iPad
             | is very different (yeah, the Files app exists but it's
             | terribly buggy if you are using network shares and stuff)
             | and the need for auto-linking goes up quite a bit.
             | 
             | If their MVP iPad app evolves into something that "just
             | works" across devices, then I think they will have a really
             | good value proposition in a field where short-form or fast
             | produced social media content can be done on the go.
        
         | wil421 wrote:
         | On my M1 Air I use a 500gb USB C San Disk drive as my scratch.
         | You can get much higher drives and connect it over USB C.
        
         | VanTheBrand wrote:
         | All usb-c iPads support external drives and the old lightning
         | ones have limited support with an adapter
        
         | sneak wrote:
         | The iPad Pro has faster storage than most people's computers,
         | and the same i/o as the Macbook Air (USB3/Thunderbolt).
         | 
         | It would not be swamped, no.
        
         | dmicah wrote:
         | Sounds like it from their description ("USB-C media disks"):
         | 
         | Supported file formats include H.264, H.265, Apple ProRes and
         | Blackmagic RAW, with clips able to be imported from the iPad
         | Pro internal storage and Photos library, or externally
         | connected iCloud and USB-C media disks.
        
         | asadlionpk wrote:
         | Yup, the drive shows up in the Files app when mounted.
        
         | barkingcat wrote:
         | Lumafusion (the incumbent product in this space) can edit
         | directly on an external drive without copying the information
         | to the ipad itself.
         | 
         | I use a 4tb samsung ssd and on usb-c , it's pretty much as fast
         | as you need it to go, and if you need more space, you can get
         | 8TB ssd's - it's more expensive, but it's easy enough to get.
        
       | lostgame wrote:
       | Embarrassing that this exists before Apple gets its own Final Cut
       | Pro on their so-called 'iPad Pro'.
       | 
       | Never understood how they could have the audacity to call it an
       | iPad 'Pro' when none of Apple's actual by-name 'Pro' software was
       | - or, to this date - 5 years later - still is.
       | 
       | No 'Logic Pro', no 'Final Cut Pro'...still no Xcode, either.
       | Other than illustrators/designers, can someone please explain to
       | me what 'Pro' can use an iPad 'Pro' for any serious professional-
       | grade tasks?
       | 
       | The mind boggles.
       | 
       | Similar to a game console, I purchase hardware for the software
       | it can run. I don't _care_ if it 's as powerful as my equivalent
       | MacBook Pro; because there's nothing I can use to take advantage
       | of that power.
        
         | whyenot wrote:
         | DaVinci hasn't been released yet. This is an announcement that
         | it will be released for iPad in Q4. FCP could still be released
         | first.
        
           | rcarr wrote:
           | Come on, this is disingenuous. If it was going to be released
           | first it would have been the software shown off in the promo
           | videos. They wouldn't show a competitor if they were about to
           | drop one of their flagship pieces of software on iPad for the
           | first time, they'd be making a song and dance of it.
        
       | teamspirit wrote:
       | Now if we can just get Logic (with VSTs). I'd love to leave my
       | MBP at home when I'm on the road and still be able to write
       | music.
        
         | seanw444 wrote:
         | Full-fledged mobile DAW is one thing I'm surprised doesn't
         | really exist. That would make so much money. I know I'm not the
         | only person that gets sudden ideas that _need_ to be expressed
         | audibly before the inspiration is gone, on the go.
        
           | [deleted]
        
       | VanTheBrand wrote:
       | One of the things that makes this a big deal is an iPad is often
       | the most color accurate highest quality display anyone has.
        
         | Ancapistani wrote:
         | Yep. I do almost of my photo editing on my iPad for this
         | reason. For video I've been using my iPad as an external
         | display and color grading in Resolve.
        
         | Gigachad wrote:
         | You don't realize how extremely off consumer monitors are until
         | you compare it to a calibrated one like the ipad.
        
       | rcarr wrote:
       | Does anyone know what stabiliser they used in the promos when
       | they were showing off the iPad Pro filming the car and then
       | editing the footage in DaVinci?
        
       | lencastre wrote:
       | Asking for a friend who is amateur, how does this compare to
       | LumaTouch's LumaFusion?
        
         | Gordonjcp wrote:
         | It's a full-blown editing, VFX, and grading package, used for
         | some really heavy-duty productions. If you don't want to edit
         | larger than 4k resolution, the free-as-in-beer version does
         | nearly everything else that the paid-for one does. The paid-for
         | one is about 200 quid.
         | 
         | The training materials (I've linked to them below) are second
         | to none, not just for video editing tools but for any software
         | I've ever seen. Have a look at them - there are some training
         | videos and several very comprehensive books backed up with
         | high-quality sample material.
         | 
         | On a PC, you'll need a decent graphics card but I managed with
         | a Core i5-4570, 16GB of RAM, and a GT1030 - I am a patient man,
         | though, and don't mind kicking off a render and going for a cup
         | of tea with a good book.
         | 
         | Dig through the training material:
         | 
         | https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/...
        
       | gespadas wrote:
       | This is awesome!!! It's great to have this option as an
       | alternative on-the-go.
        
       | onebot wrote:
       | Love this!!! I am huge DaVinci fan because it runs cross-platform
       | (yes linux too). The price is amazing for such a high quality
       | product. Need to see what you really can do on the iPad, I doubt
       | the VFX stuff is there. But this is great.
        
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