[HN Gopher] DaVinci Resolve for iPad ___________________________________________________________________ DaVinci Resolve for iPad Author : dagmx Score : 337 points Date : 2022-10-20 15:37 UTC (7 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.blackmagicdesign.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.blackmagicdesign.com) | retskrad wrote: | Apple massively increased the price of the the entire iPad line- | up in Europe. It's going to be interesting to see what impact it | will have on Apple's earnings. Will Apple's goodwill make people | accept the new prices or will Apple's brand take a hit for | increasing the price in times where people are financially | vulnerable? | collegeburner wrote: | well Apple's an American company and we have one of the few | relatively strong currencies in the world. so anything we | export is going to get very expensive for y'all very quick. | don't be so fast to blame Apple. | | Apple's cost of business in europe is also going up from fines | and requirements to e.g. migrate charging. so it's not | surprising that is passed through to european customers. | | also there are plenty of good substitutes and Apple has always | been more of a premium brand so i don't think the "financial | vulnerability" argument holds water here. | Bud wrote: | samatman wrote: | Apple doesn't need Europe. The region it's included in is worth | 19% of Apple's business, and that region includes the Middle | East, India, and Africa. Europe might be 10% of the business, | maybe a bit more, maybe less. | | Worth keeping in mind. They're quite able to wind down business | in Europe if the alternative is being forced to build their | devices in a way they don't want. | | Raising prices to match the extra cost of doing business in | Europe is a no-brainer. If that means it's no longer profitable | to sell to the subcontinent, no problem, they'll just... stop | doing that. | sangnoir wrote: | > They're quite able to wind down business in Europe if the | alternative is being forced to build their devices in a way | they don't want | | This assumes Apple's management has the stomach for the | resulting negative revenue growth and the subsequent reaction | from Wall Street. | | Also, a huge chunk of their cash offshoring / tax | minimization strategy is based in Europe: they'd revert to | _USB-A_ charging ports if the choice was between that and | shutting down the Irish office. | samatman wrote: | Why would they pull out of Ireland? They could have one | store in Dublin, that sells the last model iPhone which was | grandfathered in, while supplies last, for a couple grand, | or whatever the price ends up being once Europe is done | objecting. | kaba0 wrote: | Maybe have a look at the "Brussel effect" wiki page. The EU | is big enough to make worldwide changes financially the | rational choice, so these choices are made based on EU laws. | not_math wrote: | Even if it's just 10%, you don't abandon 10% of your market. | That's 8 billions for Apple just last quarter. | krzyk wrote: | EMEA does not include India. | | And the MEA is peanuts compared to the first E when you think | about money available to spend. | diebeforei485 wrote: | Have you read any of Apple's financials? | | It says right there, in every single one of Apple's | quarterly and annual reports: | | > Europe includes European countries, as well as India, the | Middle East and Africa | smoldesu wrote: | It's cute to imagine a world where that happens, but there | isn't a chance Apple abandons their multi-billion dollar | European investments because everyone hates the lightning | connector. The premise of Apple leaving Europe is an idle | threat. | simonh wrote: | Given that keeping prices the same would weigh down their | earnings as well, since they're reported in dollars, the | financial impact of this is not a simple thing to calculate. | haunter wrote: | Oh wow company makes $1,7b profit instead of $1,9b. The end | is near. Capitalism is really a cancer when the only thing | matters is growth growth and growth. | | The Facebook movie was really spot on with the "A million | dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool? A billion" line | cyberlurker wrote: | They have a responsibility to their shareholders. I think | raising prices amid inflation is the responsible thing to | do... these are not essential goods like food and fuel. | pb7 wrote: | You could opt for consumer electronics from European | companies instead. | bitL wrote: | People still don't understand exponential function / | compound interest... | hemantv wrote: | Hate capitalism as much as you want. But it's the only | system that consistently uplift people and improve standard | of living over time. | | It's the best system among all the bad systems out there. | wahnfrieden wrote: | sounds like hardened political rhetoric to me and | classical capitalist realism - no place for that here | dijonman2 wrote: | How does your comment differ from your own judgement? | wahnfrieden wrote: | where am I repeating a hardened propaganda line? all I | did was identify one | simonh wrote: | If you can find evidence of a different system that's | come anywhere close to raising living standards of | ordinary citizens nearly as much, I'd love to hear about | it. And no, China doesn't have a communist economy, | pretty much everything productive about China is | capitalist. | wahnfrieden wrote: | wengrow & graeber's recent research shows plenty of | evidence (post discovery of agriculture and well beyond | dunbar's number), that's a good place to start with your | question. tangentially, mark fisher is also good for | unpacking what you've said | tshaddox wrote: | It's certainly not simple for me to calculate, but I would | guess that Apple has people with more information and more | experience calculating such things. It's not usually a | company often associated with being bad at making money. | astorsnk wrote: | It's not like they did it out of spite or greed - both the EUR | and GBP have plummeted against the USD over the last year. One | area they could look at though is outrageous storage premiums. | The price jump between levels is now a joke. | e3bc54b2 wrote: | > The price jump between levels is now a joke. | | It has always been a joke. Now it just ain't funny anymore. | bitL wrote: | 300 to 600EUR increase for the most basic iPad is not | reflecting 25% EUR collapse. | astorsnk wrote: | They're likely pricing in further changes. Better to assume | things will get worse and price that in once, than have to | reprice every few months. | soneil wrote: | The european price is actually better than it was last time | around, which is surprising. Using Irish numbers (because | I'm Irish ..) | | At announcement (Sept 2021), the 9th gen was $329 US, which | was EUR280 (at the time). Plus +23% VAT gives us EUR345.22. | The actual retail price was EUR399 - 15.5% higher? | | At announcement, the 10th gen is $449 US, which is EUR459. | Plus +23% VAT gives us $564.75. The actual retail price is | EUR599 - 6.5% higher. | | The hike is the increase in the base price, plus the | exchange rate, plus the accompanying tax. We're actually | closer to parity on this release than the last release. | | (Also - you must admit rounding 399 to 300 is rather | disingenuous.) | diebeforei485 wrote: | Apple still sells the 9th gen iPad. How much does it cost | today in Ireland? | soneil wrote: | EUR450. | | It's still $329 in the US, which is EUR336 here, or | EUR413 after tax. So it's 9% higher than parity - better | than it was (at release), but not as close as the 10th | gen is. | | What I tend to see in apple's european pricing is three | (well, 2.5) things. One is that they're ridiculously | hooked on round numbers. 413 is never going to be 413 on | the sticker. And two, is that it's very rare that they | change the sticker price after it's released. (Sounds | silly when they've just bumped the 9th gen & ipad mini, | but I'm genuinely struggling to think of any prior | examples). | | So the .5 is that this means their prices include what's | essentially a gamble on the currency. It doesn't just | reflect where the rate is now, it reflects where they | think it's going. This time last week, we were paying | less dollars for the 9th gen than the US was - and | they've taken the unusual step of actually correcting for | that. In short, the house always wins. | | I just don't buy the theory that the increase is a | punishment for the EU's decision on usb cables etc. The | EU and US prices are aligned within roughly the same | margin they're usually aligned by. It seems people don't | realise how quickly a 20-something% shift in currency and | a 20-something% tax rate add up (on top of the increase | on the US price), and they'd rather grasp at theories | than calculators. | bitL wrote: | 9th gen is 339EUR in Germany (3rd party sellers). | | Also, when it comes to a market, typically sellers have | to adjust pricing to market conditions or they move | categories. 340EUR is already cost for a premium Android | tablet and iPad just started at that price. | mritun wrote: | That's interesting! It could partly be explained by falling | Euro but could also be Apple increasing prices to include the | "fine" taxes. Cost of doing business invariably gets passed on | to customers. | Jamesmoorez wrote: | BolexNOLA wrote: | Man BMD has been absolutely crushing it the last 2 years or so. | The number of people I see jumping to resolve as their main NLE | is staggering. They were often mocked when they jumped into the | cinema camera game in the early 2010s and now their imaging | hardware is a production mainstay at all levels of the industry. | | I am very curious to see how their foray into iOS goes here. | Could be huge. Frankly I just feel like I lack the imagination | for what this opens up. Can't wait to experiment! | post_break wrote: | Pretty incredible this can come out before Final Cut Pro for | iPad. | jbverschoor wrote: | apple has some real issues since about a year or two | birdman3131 wrote: | Its not out yet. | BudaDude wrote: | It will be before Final Cut most likely | ExMachina73 wrote: | I think this shows that Final Cut Pro on iPad was never really | in the cards. Furthermore, Apple is using this Davinci Resolve | release in their own marketing materials. I love Final Cut Pro, | but as time goes by it seems like it's headed the way of | Aperture, after competitors like Adobe Lightroom took over the | marketshare - cancellation. Especially when other developers | are creating great software like Resolve and LumaFusion. Not to | mention hundreds of film editors wrote an open letter to Tim | Cook "begging for Final Cut Pro commitment." | oDot wrote: | In a fairly related note -- if there's an available editor here | that knows anime style and pacing, please let me know where I can | see your stuff | lvl102 wrote: | This is nice but any serious video editor would use a Macbook | instead no? Why bother with this version? | barkingcat wrote: | Field editing, showing clients live renders as they give you | suggestions for edits, being able to grab the ipad and work on | some ideas while on the go. | | All of these comments "why use ipad instead of Macbook to do x" | has been answered a long time ago. The massive market sale | through rate for the ipad ecosystem answers the justification | better than anyone on this site can answer. | | Same for the Lightroom/Photoshop on iPad folks - why use | lightroom on ipad? so you can do it on the go without opening | up your macbook. And use the pencil. | yamtaddle wrote: | For some things, you need a "real" computer. | | For some things, you need a tablet ("LOL what could that | possibly be?" Oh, I dunno, does your laptop have multiple very- | high-quality cameras built-in with all kind of fancy depth- | sensors and AR-related hardware, an accelerometer, et c.? GPS | and/or cell radio? Touch & drawing input? Stupid-high idle | battery life, with near-instant-on from any level of sleep? | Sure, some have _some_ of that, but how many have all, | especially without peripherals? How comfortable is it to use | while standing, or while walking around? How good 's your | laptop at replacing a scanner? Reading PDFs or ebooks while on | the go?) | | The more things i-devices can do well-enough that were | previously desktop- or laptop-only means more times you don't | need to have _both_ devices to be able to do all the things you | want to do. | | It's harder to go the other way (making laptops/desktops good | at the things tablets are good at--most of those require adding | more, expensive hardware, and changing or hybridizing the form | factor) so the trend is in the direction of making tablets more | and more capable. | smoldesu wrote: | It wouldn't be such a concerning trend if Apple was simply a | really good hardware vendor. Instead, the iPad is a toll-road | with a 30% tax that goes straight to Apple. If they gave iOS | alternate app stores _or even just opened the iPad | bootloader_ (as we know is fully possible on M1), people | wouldn 't be shifting in their seats as much. Instead, Apple | is innovating in one hand and extorting in the other, and | then pretending like both can't exist without the other. | | There isn't a company in the world that has a larger R&D | budget than Apple. If $200 billion dollars in liquid funding | can't design a decent, _freedom respecting_ tablet, then | Apple hasn 't fixed much of anything (in my opinion). | twobitshifter wrote: | Apple Pencil is iPad only | NonNefarious wrote: | BudaDude wrote: | The biggest reason would be the portability. If you are on a | plane, using an iPad is often much easier than a full laptop. | dopa42365 wrote: | List of people color grading hollywood movies on their ipad | during plane flights: | eole666 wrote: | This is nice, but it's not that incredible : Windows tablets | running Resolve smoothly exists since many years (Surface Pro), | and they do run the full davinci resolve suite on top of an | actual desktop OS. | | On the other hand, M1/M2 ipads pro should be way more powerfull | than the Surfaces if you need to do some heavy editing/color | grading. And it seems they optimized this version for the pencil | use. | Ruq wrote: | Ok, this is a pretty big deal. | BudaDude wrote: | Agreed. iPad pros have had a serious lack of professional video | editing software. This may be the thing that makes me buy an | iPad Pro. | teeray wrote: | So excited for this. I really love editing photos on my iPad in | Lightroom... I find it relaxing. Much more so than if I had to | grab my laptop to do it. Looking forward to doing the same with | my drone footage now. | darkteflon wrote: | To all the experienced DVR users: does it have good native media | management capabilities? | | I'm an FCPX user and always felt that was a big black mark | against FCPX. For instance, it seems designed to manage your | media on a per-project basis, and can't easily be shoehorned into | having a single large (organised) library accessible from many | loosely-coupled projects. Disconnected original media drives | don't have graceful failure states - even when using a local | proxy workflow. Tagging, sorting and displaying large media | libraries always feels quite cumbersome. That kind of thing. | | Keen to hear whether DVR is more sensible - I'm quite keen to | give it a go if so. | clean_send wrote: | This is incredible on so many fronts. 5-10 years ago, I would | choose my computer based on it's potential to edit video. A | decade ago, most laptops couldn't handle the load of uncompressed | video. 5 years ago, having iMovie on your Ipad allowed us to make | sub <5 minute videos of low-res/processed files. Now we have an | intersection of 1. an Ipad is powerful enough to handle this type | of data processing and 2. BMD has found ways of dealing with the | huge file sizes and rendering / editing in real time. Unreal. I | imagined this would come some day but not today. | simonh wrote: | We're still getting used to how much things have changed in the | M1+ era. | bitL wrote: | How is iPad going to handle RAW 8k video? Its highest storage | is small, good only for a scratch disk at best or for very | short movies. | barkingcat wrote: | LumaFusion, aka the only way to edit professional video on | iPad before this announcement, supports direct | editing/ingestion and working directly on an external ssd. | With USB-C and thunderbolt supported on the M1 ipads, the | experience is basically, hook up your 4TB samsung external | portal drive, and edit away. You don't need to copy the | information onto the ipad itself. The export also goes to the | external drive. | | If BMD did not support this fuction for Resolve, they will | have a hard time competing against LumaFusion. | | However I think LumaFusion will be very carefully monitoring | this market. It is theirs to lose. | drcongo wrote: | LumaFusion is a fantastic app, but I do find it a bit | fiddly to use sometimes - really precise edits are much | harder than they should be. Looking forward to giving | Resolve a go though. | simonh wrote: | When it does support it, probably very well. iPads could | support editing and playing back multiple simultaneous 4K | video streams long before desktop Macs could due to the huge | bandwidth between cpu, memory and gpu of A series chips. M | chips dialed that up to 11. | | As to your storage concerns USB-C iPads, apart from having up | to 2TB of internal storage and up to 16 GB of memory, support | external drives just as well as any laptop. The time when | high end iPads had below low end desktop specs is long gone. | mkaic wrote: | If you have a camera that shoots RAW 8k video, I'd wager you | aren't using an iPad to edit on. | Gordonjcp wrote: | Yes, but you might be using an iPad to take your rushes and | throw together a quick assemble right there on set, "there | that's how it'll look", and even import the timeline into | your proper project. | bitL wrote: | OK, iPad Pro has something like 4k-5k video camera, which | produces a lot of RAW data anyway (assuming software can | access RAW feed with some lossless compression applied), so | the problem is still there unless you want to prepare | videos with ugly artifacts from compression. | Retric wrote: | iPad Pros can have 2TB onboard and hook up to external | storage just fine. There isn't much difference between | that and the average laptop. | | That said 90% of users are probably going to be working | with compressed 4k video because they don't notice the | difference and it saves time. | wil421 wrote: | Not many people are going to care. I know a lot more people | with 4k and lower short videos from iPhones/GoPros/Drones you | name it. Being able to edit personal videos on the fly would | be very nice. | Vrondi wrote: | Now that mobile devices are getting this powerful, we need | them to start supporting larger storage again. | conductr wrote: | They are expandable now up to 40Gb/s per tech specs | Gigachad wrote: | The iPad has options up to 2TB SSD and supports USB4 | external storage along with 10Gbit ethernet. | yieldcrv wrote: | I don't think it is the tool for the job | dylan604 wrote: | I don't think it is the tool for _that_ job, but for | footage acquired on the iPad it will do just fine thank you | very much. The iPads are being used for shooting way more | frequently than I 'd have given credit, until I realize | that if an iPad was available back when I was unable to | afford other equipment, I'd have used the hell out of it | too. We shot the shit out of | VHS=>SVHS=>Hi8=>Digi8=>DV/MiniDV as if it were film. Now, | there's image stabilization, light as a feather, prices are | a fraction of prior so for the price of one thing you can | get like 3 or 4, and then consider them crash cams, etc. | Then when you get done shooting, there's 0 time wasted on | transfering to your editor as your friggin camera is the | editor and the color corrector. I mean, why the hell would | you not do this if you're a broke ass college film student. | hell, even elementary school kids could be doing this. it's | mind boggling what kids have at their finger tips now. | yieldcrv wrote: | I was talking about the specific thing I responded to. 8k | RAW video on a device without the storage for it. But I'm | sure there are proxies possible. | | You can likely find some out of touch people to | proselytize to somewhere else on this thread. | dylan604 wrote: | And i was agreeing with you. The proselytizing as you | call it was me being able to expand past the nonsense | proposed and offered up a more compelling workflow. Sorry | to offend thy sensitivities on expanding upon a | conversation. | thetinguy wrote: | External drives just like people using macbooks | bitL wrote: | Does iPadOS support them well though? | Gigachad wrote: | Surprisingly yes. It used to be a limitation that apps | would have to import the file on to local storage, edit, | export back to external. But now extra APIs have been | added and video editors can edit on external storage. | | The iPad has been sitting in this limbo state where they | are way more powerful than most people expect but still | not really worth it when you can get a MacBook for the | same price and do more. | scarface74 wrote: | Yes, you plug it in and it shows up in the Files app as | another storage source along with iCloud and any third | party service you have like OneDrive, Dropbox, Google | Drive or you can store files locally in the iPad. | regular wrote: | z9znz wrote: | Has anyone here used an iPad as their primary editing tool? | | Unless one were really constrained by weight or items, I don't | know why someone wouldn't just edit on their Macbook. | | I think it's great that you can do this on an iPad; I just wonder | how useful it really is. The Macbook Air is pretty small and | lightweight already. | | It would be interesting to see a side by side editing session | comparison with two people, one using an iPad, and the other | using a laptop. | FractalHQ wrote: | Too bad iPad OS is a joke. A gutted version of a real software | program running on an M1 should not be exciting news in 2021. | jokoon wrote: | I tried it something like 1 or 2 years ago, it crashed. | | I don't if there are CPU or GPU requirements. | mkr-hn wrote: | How could you try something that didn't exist? | taylorbuley wrote: | Another easy way to use Resolve for free. Anyone here can and | should use Resolve for quick and dirty color correction. Like | having a good mic, it really makes your video stand out in terms | of quality. | andrewmunsell wrote: | I've used LumaFusion for years since it's the only real editor | option on the iPad. They took _forever_ to launch vector scopes | and they still don 't have keyframe easing or basic speed | ramping, so it's good to see some competition here. | | The syncing feature may just push me to use Resolve full time, | since it'd let me do basic cutting and even color grading on the | iPad and any intensive work on my computer seamlessly. | mortenjorck wrote: | This is "only" two of the seven modules included in the desktop | version, but even just one would be a breakthrough on the iPad. | | The full DaVinci Resolve is nuts: it covers a complete, | Hollywood-level workflow of DAM, editing, grading, sound, and VFX | (with probably the most generous freemium model in existence, by | a good margin). The iPad version covers one of the two edit | workflows (the one more tailored to broadcast than film) and | color grading, which will cover quite a few use cases without | anything else. I can especially see this being used by serious | YouTubers and independent content creators. | | I wonder if the asset management module is planned, as that would | seem to be the next-most broadly useful module. | [deleted] | TheRealPomax wrote: | As long as folks don't think it's an NLE, because that's the | one thing it isn't. | | (Even though half of its users try to use it for that, get | stuck, post on the forum, and then get the other half yelling | at them because "it's not an NLE". 17 and 18 took things in the | right direction, but it's still going to take a few more | versions before people giving it a shot because they think it's | a free Premiere or After Effects get burnt) | | Edit, because people seem to not understand how Resolve is | fundamentally different from a "normal" NLE like Avid's or | Adobe's (suggesting they don't actually use Resolve, which is | fine, but downvoting because you disagree is kinda weird when | it _really_ isn 't like normal NLEs): | | Resolve has NLE functionality, but it didn't start as an NLE, | and its main focus wasn't to "be an NLE". This is first and | foremost grading software, born out of wanting the best tool | for grading cinema/broadcast video, the thing Black Magic sells | cameras for. And of course, the best grading software needs a | minimally functional edit view because you can't grade clips if | you can't work with clips. And so it had that. | | And while BM has been steadily improving that view and wants to | morph Resolve to a more general purpose video editing suite | (and in the processing become more like a real NLE rather than | software with NLE functionality) you're still in a node-graph- | based grading suite, just with NLE bells and whistles. A lot of | what you'd do to your clips or layers, you still do in the | "color" view in Resolve. | | If you think you downloaded an NLE, that's going to be weird | and unexpected. If you know you're working in grading software | that also has a pretty great NLE functionality at this point, | things make a bit more sense. Of course, the cry for "real" NLE | behaviour is strong, and if many of your users want something | (and your name isn't Adobe) you start adding what users want, | to the point where BM now wants Resolve to become a full video | editing suite, so we're getting there. But slowly. And it won't | truly "be an NLE" until probably several version from now. | cowmix wrote: | I've seen quite the opposite. A good percentage of people | coming from Premiere or After Effects feel burnt for all the | years they spent in the Adobe suite. Just in stability alone | is Resolve leagues better. The "batteries included" feature | set is not only comprehensive in all parts of the video | production pipeline, it is world class in many of the | specific categories it competes in. | ayewo wrote: | What's NLE in this context? | boulos wrote: | Non-Linear Editor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non- | linear_editing | jpk wrote: | Non-Linear Editor, which includes things like Adobe | Premiere, AVID Media Composer, etc. | Joeboy wrote: | And Davinci Resolve's Edit page (I don't know why the ggp | says it's not an NLE). | fragmede wrote: | It's an nle like after effects is one. It's not _not_ an | nle but it 's roots are elsewhere so because of that, | it's hard to see it as one, despite advances in the | software. | Gordonjcp wrote: | What do you think the Edit page and the Cut page are? | fragmede wrote: | Scary new technology that wasn't around back in the day. | Grandpa Simpson said it best: "I used to be with 'it', | but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with | isn't 'it' anymore and what's 'it' seems weird and scary. | It'll happen to you!" | _aavaa_ wrote: | Can you provide some context as to why it's not a NLE? | Everywhere i've seen it talked about it's described as an NLE | [deleted] | fattire wrote: | Of course it's a non-linear editor roughly on par with | Avid, Final Cut, or Premiere. With all due respect, this | person has no idea what they're talking about. | | The Cut page (as opposed to the Edit page) is what's | apparently to be included on iPad, but it's 100% as legit a | NLE as any other. I wouldn't call After Effects a NLE per | se, but the node-based corollary to AE in Resolve is called | Fusion and doesn't appear to be (initially) included on | iPad. | TheRealPomax wrote: | Moved this response as an edit to the main comment on | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33277308 instead, | but keeping this comment rather than deleting it, because | the replies to it have value to the discussion. | fattire wrote: | (You edited your comment to oblivion, but because it was | so embarassingly wrong, I don't blame you.) | | My original response: | | "close enough to a NLE"?? What the-- | | DaVinci Resolve has included a standalone non-linear | editor since 2014. Today it has every major feature one | would expect from a NLE-- with the noted exception of a | lack of some codecs in the Linux version due to licensing | issues, AAC being conspicuously one of them. So ffmpeg is | often needed for transcoding media. I have a fair amount | of familiarity with Avid, Final Cut Pro (7, not X), and | to a lesser degree Adobe Premiere, and some experience | with other NLEs from OpenShot to iMovie to Lightworks to | Blender's NLE. Not only is DVR a feature-packed NLE- it | ALSO includes a ProTools-like audio editing component | called Fairlight, a node-based 2d/3d After Effects-like | component (which integrates neatly with Blender) called | Fusion, and a best-in-class color grading tool, for which | Resolve is probably best known, which has roots going | back to the DaVinci color correction systems of the | 1980s. | | DaVinci Resolve has not one NLE interface, but TWO-- the | traditional Avid-like Edit page, and a new "Cut Page" | (the one that appears in the iPad demo videos), which I | think first showed up in DaVinci Resolve 17 (18 is | current) and that is meant as a faster UI for doing a | rough assembly that heavily integrates with the "Speed | Editor" specialized hardware. For a while, there were | deals where the Speed Editor came free with a ($300) | Studio License. Now, I think it's $400 maybe (?) The paid | Studio version includes extra features like more plugins | (many of which use neural networks to, say, infer depth | or separate objects from backgrounds), headless python | scripting, 3d audio, 8k export, and pro stuff like that. | | I'm presuming the iPad version will also work with the | Speed Editor (it can connect via bluetooth or USB). | | And since you mentioned it, the Fusion-style node system | is considered superior by many pros to the older layers- | based system used by After Effects, which is why it has | been adopted by newer software from Unreal to Blender to | nuke, etc. Also, you _can_ drop effects "on" clips and | layers-- this can be done in the Edit page as per | tradition, and works as expected. | | Since DaVinci Resolve is meant to run in CentOS, I've | helped collaborate on a method for running it in a Linux | container as well for anyone who might be interested: | | https://github.com/fat-tire/resolve | cowmix wrote: | The "Cut Page" has been a godsend for me. I'm going | through about 1500 hours of footage right now and that | editing mode is the only thing that has made my task even | remotely possible for me to pull off. | myself248 wrote: | > Since DaVinci Resolve is meant to run in CentOS, I've | helped collaborate on a method for running it in a Linux | container as well for anyone who might be interested: | | Soooooooooo interested, but sadly it seems NVidia-only. | | If Blackmagic would put some of their port-to-iOS muscle | on a make-it-work-with-AMD team, it'd be useful to me. | Alas, I have a knack for picking losers. | fattire wrote: | Only for lack of hardware to test it on. There is an open | issue if you want to try your hand at getting it to work | on non-NVidia, though it will run best on some kind of | dedicated GPU due to the heavy graphics operations it | does. | | See https://github.com/fat-tire/resolve/issues/8 | Joeboy wrote: | > in any normal NLE, you put your effects on your clips, | or your layers. You don't do that in Resolve, because | it's grading software | | You can add effects onto clips in the Resolve NLE. If you | just want to use Resolve as an NLE (ie. you don't want to | colour-grade your work or do complex VFX in Fusion), you | don't need to go near a node graph. | | Perhaps there is some pedantry to be done about whether | it _is_ an NLE or _has_ an NLE. No dispute that it used | to be colour grading software and the NLE was bolted on | later (like a decade ago). | [deleted] | Joeboy wrote: | > you're still in a node-graph-based grading suite, just with | NLE bells and whistles. A lot of what you'd do to your clips | or layers, you still do in the "color" view in Resolve. | | The Edit Page isn't node-graph-based, it's a timeline with | tracks and clips. What NLE functionality don't you have in | the Edit Page? | cowmix wrote: | AFAIAC "nodes" are a feature of Resolve, not a bug. | Joeboy wrote: | In their place for sure, but I'm not sure how a node- | based NLE would work. | fattire wrote: | As you mentioned, the nodes are used in Fusion and the | Color page, where they belong, not in either timeline | editor (Cut Page & Edit Page). | regular wrote: | gamblor956 wrote: | DaVinci Resolve is professionally regarded as an NLE and has | been for several versions. In some ways, it is a better NLE | than Premiere. | | While it _was_ primarily grading software, Black Magic has | stated its intent for it to be used as a general purpose | video editing solution. | totetsu wrote: | Hell if you arrange the toolbars and the camera and squint | your eyes right, then wack yourself with a brick, even | Blender can be used as an NLE | trynewideas wrote: | Aside from the non-linear animation (NLA) tools, which are | pretty mature, Blender's video editing is pretty close to | an actual feature since 3.2.0's Video Sequencer quality-of- | life improvements.[1] | | Video Sequencer docs: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/3. | 3/video_editing/introdu... | | Compositor docs: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/3.3/com | positing/index.htm... | | It's still clearly built to help animators tie together | renders, with most of the actual "editing" happening in the | NLA tools. But it's also not the hack/kludge experience | that it was in the 2.x series. | | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJNbXYnt9Q | cowmix wrote: | I bebop back and forth between Blender and Resolve and, | yes, Blender has made some great improvements but I | _STILL_ have sound sync issues on 3.3. Otherwise, Blender | is pretty good - but I prefer Resolve overall. | | One thing that Blender has over Resolve on Linux is the | ability to import ANY mp4 source video. Stupid licensing | issues prevent Resolve (and even the paid Studio version) | from doing that. | sprkwd wrote: | I feel seen. :/ | andybak wrote: | DAM? | tjkrusinski wrote: | Digital asset management. Simply: indexing and storing large | audio and video files in a durable way. | DoctorOW wrote: | Even when Resolve was only ever those two modules (and back | then the edit was pretty basic) I thought it was incredibly | good. DaVinci's dedication to publishing free (of charge) | software is one of the few things keeping Adobe in check. | dylan604 wrote: | Slight nitpick, but Blackmagic is releasing the product for | free. Before the acquisition, DaVinci would _NEVER_ have | released Resolve for free. At least based on their pricing | models from decades prior. | gizajob wrote: | What's your point? Resolve has been free for ages. | dylan604 wrote: | That the name of the company giving something away should | be accurately noted. DaVinci is no longer a company. It | is a brand owned by a company. The brand doesn't set the | pricing. The company does. | DoctorOW wrote: | Whoops sorry, I meant Blackmagic. | Melatonic wrote: | My problem was I always found it to have weird holdovers in | terms of UI from hardware integration days of colour | correctors. Hopefully that is gone now. But for example you | used to not be able to just drag your full screen viewing | window to a second monitor - they forced you to get their | little hardware PCIe card. Given that most Nvidia cards will | do 10 bit colour now with the studio drivers I hope they have | rethought this. | dylan604 wrote: | They prefer for the GPU cores to be doing math rather than | displaying image. That's why you can get away with the GPU | not being in a full lane width slot. The little PCIe did | more than just send out an HDMI signal back then as well, | as most of it went to an SDI or even older analog component | BNCs. No GPU I've ever seen has had those connectors. | [deleted] | digitallyfree wrote: | My AMD W8100 has a SDI port. They're only seen on the | workstation cards, not the consumer ones. | angry_octet wrote: | NVIDIA Quadro FX SDI cards, ~2008-2020. | dylan604 wrote: | holy jeebus, i had never heard of this board. but a quick | search found this bit of oddity: | | "DVI-to-DVI Connection | | Connect one end of the DVI cable to the DVI connector on | the SDI Output card and the other end to the "north" DVI | connector on the NVIDIA Quadro FX 4600/5600 card as | shown. The SDI output will not work if the cable is not | connected to these two connectors." | | So it was an external pass thru type system that just | converted DVI to SDI. They joined the daughter card via | external oddball cable rather than making an internal | ribbon cable connection. | angry_octet wrote: | Yep, it was just to convert computer graphics into | broadcast TV world. Probably powering a bunch of TV | stations weather broadcasts for the next decade. | dylan604 wrote: | That's still a few rungs up from the older skool tech of | a large round table top with the different gauges for | things like temp/pressure/humidity/etc on it that rotated | at a set speed with a stationary camera mount so that the | gauges would spin underneath it. For a lot of small cable | companies this was the "weather" for that cable company. | It would be setup at the head end where all of the | various satellite dishes were pulling the feeds. An ex- | coworker's family was responsible for that existing, so I | used to hear all sorts of "back in the day" themed | stories about it. | digitallyfree wrote: | I've seen a lot of students serious about video editing | switching from (typically pirated) Premiere Pro to Resolve as | the free version got better and better. One student told me | his high school filmmaking class was switching from FCP to | Resolve so that everyone could easily work on their projects | at home. It's pretty much the only freeware professional | editing suite available - and if some of those students later | work in the industry they'll prefer the system they're | familar with. | | When I used Resolve several years ago the system requirements | were high but you could mitigate that by using a proxy | workflow. | NonNefarious wrote: | CharlesW wrote: | This is a good reference for anyone complaining that the new iPad | is "too powerful", which happened a bunch in the recent | announcement threads. Yes, not everyone's going to be editing 8K | video on their iPad, but everything that makes that possible | makes lots of other current and future advanced use cases | possible. For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad | has an important part in Apple's mixed reality plans. | [deleted] | SSLy wrote: | > For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad has | an important part in Apple's mixed reality plans. | | The LIDAR is there to serve as a playground for the app | developers, including in-house. A glorified dev board. I doubt | iPads themselves will be a part of Apple's XR plans. | CharlesW wrote: | > _I doubt iPads themselves will be a part of Apple 's XR | plans._ | | iPads are serving as a proxy for the Reality headset today. | Meaning, you can go to https://www.apple.com/augmented- | reality/ right now to get a preview of how Apple will be | selling Reality to customers. | | We don't yet know how Reality will work with iPads/iPhones, | but one can read the tea leaves by thinking about how Apple | will leverage technologies like Handoff, Continuity, AirPlay, | etc. It's not crazy to think that Reality will leverage | nearby devices for storage, connectivity, and even compute | and GPU. | | In other words: Rather than wondering _if_ iPads will be part | of Apple 's MR plans, I recommend thinking about _how_ iPads | will increasingly be part of Apple 's MR plans. | Valgrim wrote: | Simple question here: Video files are HUGE. An iPad, even with a | fairly large storage for a tablet, would be quickly swamped by | the files, and to transfer the RAW video files to and from the | device would make it quite frustrating. | | Is there a way to connect an external drive on an iPad? | andrewmunsell wrote: | Presumably, you could edit using proxies on your iPad and only | have those actually synced to the iPad itself for space saving. | It's not 1:1 to your source footage, but depending on how you | encoded the proxy it certainly would be good enough for cutting | footage on the go and you could sync the project back to your | computer to continue working. | Melatonic wrote: | Yeah proxies would be the way to go with this - that or short | form content. You could easily have a bunch of high quality | videos on an iPad to edit a single 2 or 3 minute video which | may be their target audience here. Once you are done send | those high quality source files up to a cloud storage and | delete them locally. | | Personally I am still waiting for someone to really get the | proxy workflow right - it still requires too much manual | control and planning. Someone needs to create a very robust | asset management plane that does a better job of autolinking | files when they are accidentality unlinked (could be easily | done with a simple AI analyzing video content of different | files along with an audio analyzer). | andrewmunsell wrote: | > Personally I am still waiting for someone to really get | the proxy workflow right - it still requires too much | manual control and planning. Someone needs to create a very | robust asset management plane that does a better job of | autolinking files when they are accidentality unlinked | (could be easily done with a simple AI analyzing video | content of different files along with an audio analyzer). | | I'm hoping that the iPad app will push BM to be the ones to | do this. Given that the concept of a filesystem on an iPad | is very different (yeah, the Files app exists but it's | terribly buggy if you are using network shares and stuff) | and the need for auto-linking goes up quite a bit. | | If their MVP iPad app evolves into something that "just | works" across devices, then I think they will have a really | good value proposition in a field where short-form or fast | produced social media content can be done on the go. | wil421 wrote: | On my M1 Air I use a 500gb USB C San Disk drive as my scratch. | You can get much higher drives and connect it over USB C. | VanTheBrand wrote: | All usb-c iPads support external drives and the old lightning | ones have limited support with an adapter | sneak wrote: | The iPad Pro has faster storage than most people's computers, | and the same i/o as the Macbook Air (USB3/Thunderbolt). | | It would not be swamped, no. | dmicah wrote: | Sounds like it from their description ("USB-C media disks"): | | Supported file formats include H.264, H.265, Apple ProRes and | Blackmagic RAW, with clips able to be imported from the iPad | Pro internal storage and Photos library, or externally | connected iCloud and USB-C media disks. | asadlionpk wrote: | Yup, the drive shows up in the Files app when mounted. | barkingcat wrote: | Lumafusion (the incumbent product in this space) can edit | directly on an external drive without copying the information | to the ipad itself. | | I use a 4tb samsung ssd and on usb-c , it's pretty much as fast | as you need it to go, and if you need more space, you can get | 8TB ssd's - it's more expensive, but it's easy enough to get. | lostgame wrote: | Embarrassing that this exists before Apple gets its own Final Cut | Pro on their so-called 'iPad Pro'. | | Never understood how they could have the audacity to call it an | iPad 'Pro' when none of Apple's actual by-name 'Pro' software was | - or, to this date - 5 years later - still is. | | No 'Logic Pro', no 'Final Cut Pro'...still no Xcode, either. | Other than illustrators/designers, can someone please explain to | me what 'Pro' can use an iPad 'Pro' for any serious professional- | grade tasks? | | The mind boggles. | | Similar to a game console, I purchase hardware for the software | it can run. I don't _care_ if it 's as powerful as my equivalent | MacBook Pro; because there's nothing I can use to take advantage | of that power. | whyenot wrote: | DaVinci hasn't been released yet. This is an announcement that | it will be released for iPad in Q4. FCP could still be released | first. | rcarr wrote: | Come on, this is disingenuous. If it was going to be released | first it would have been the software shown off in the promo | videos. They wouldn't show a competitor if they were about to | drop one of their flagship pieces of software on iPad for the | first time, they'd be making a song and dance of it. | teamspirit wrote: | Now if we can just get Logic (with VSTs). I'd love to leave my | MBP at home when I'm on the road and still be able to write | music. | seanw444 wrote: | Full-fledged mobile DAW is one thing I'm surprised doesn't | really exist. That would make so much money. I know I'm not the | only person that gets sudden ideas that _need_ to be expressed | audibly before the inspiration is gone, on the go. | [deleted] | VanTheBrand wrote: | One of the things that makes this a big deal is an iPad is often | the most color accurate highest quality display anyone has. | Ancapistani wrote: | Yep. I do almost of my photo editing on my iPad for this | reason. For video I've been using my iPad as an external | display and color grading in Resolve. | Gigachad wrote: | You don't realize how extremely off consumer monitors are until | you compare it to a calibrated one like the ipad. | rcarr wrote: | Does anyone know what stabiliser they used in the promos when | they were showing off the iPad Pro filming the car and then | editing the footage in DaVinci? | lencastre wrote: | Asking for a friend who is amateur, how does this compare to | LumaTouch's LumaFusion? | Gordonjcp wrote: | It's a full-blown editing, VFX, and grading package, used for | some really heavy-duty productions. If you don't want to edit | larger than 4k resolution, the free-as-in-beer version does | nearly everything else that the paid-for one does. The paid-for | one is about 200 quid. | | The training materials (I've linked to them below) are second | to none, not just for video editing tools but for any software | I've ever seen. Have a look at them - there are some training | videos and several very comprehensive books backed up with | high-quality sample material. | | On a PC, you'll need a decent graphics card but I managed with | a Core i5-4570, 16GB of RAM, and a GT1030 - I am a patient man, | though, and don't mind kicking off a render and going for a cup | of tea with a good book. | | Dig through the training material: | | https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/... | gespadas wrote: | This is awesome!!! It's great to have this option as an | alternative on-the-go. | onebot wrote: | Love this!!! I am huge DaVinci fan because it runs cross-platform | (yes linux too). The price is amazing for such a high quality | product. Need to see what you really can do on the iPad, I doubt | the VFX stuff is there. But this is great. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-10-20 23:00 UTC)