[HN Gopher] Stability.ai sent a take down request to Runway ML's...
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Stability.ai sent a take down request to Runway ML's SD v1.5 citing
IP Leak
Author : amrrs
Score : 67 points
Date : 2022-10-20 19:12 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| aliqot wrote:
| They claim to have not sent a takedown.
| https://i.imgur.com/ayMxTYp.png
| threevox wrote:
| Yeah suuuure, Emad
| capableweb wrote:
| Seems the CEO/Founder of Runway has replied that there hasn't
| been any leaks and it's a proper release, made as permitted by
| the license and therefore should be online soon again.
|
| > Cris here - the CEO and Co-founder of Runway. Since our
| founding in 2018, we've been on a mission to empower anyone to
| create the impossible. So, we're excited to share this newest
| version of Stable Diffusion so that we can continue delivering on
| our mission.
|
| > This version of Stable Diffusion is a continuation of the
| original High-Resolution Image Synthesis with Latent Diffusion
| Models work that we created and published (now more commonly
| referred to as Stable Diffusion). Stable Diffusion is an AI model
| developed by Patrick Esser from Runway and Robin Rombach from LMU
| Munich. The research and code behind Stable Diffusion was open-
| sourced last year. The model was released under the CreativeML
| Open RAIL M License.
|
| > We confirm there has been no breach of IP as flagged and we
| thank Stability AI for the compute donation to retrain the
| original model.
|
| https://huggingface.co/runwayml/stable-diffusion-v1-5/discus...
|
| Edit: According to Discord messages from Emad Mostaque (founder
| of Stability AI) they have taken back the takedown request and
| seems this is the official release of the Stable Diffusion model
| version 1.5.
| qeternity wrote:
| Does anyone have a good resource on Stability, their history, and
| relationship to Runway? I haven't followed the space closely in a
| couple of years but they seemingly exploded from nowhere and I'm
| not entirely sure what their mandate is.
| minimaxir wrote:
| tl;dr the development of the original Stable Diffusion was
| assisted via a collaboration between Runway and StabilityAI.
| jw1224 wrote:
| This is really strange, and is being handled very badly.
|
| RunwayML are an official partner of Stability AI. Stability has
| been delaying the release of their 1.5 model for several weeks
| now, citing unspecified "legal concerns".
|
| RunwayML has seemingly gone ahead and released it themselves
| anyway, forcing Stability to file a takedown request for leaking
| their IP.
|
| In the aftermath of the AUTOMATIC1111 debacle last week, this
| doesn't reflect well on Stability's comms. Things seem a lot less
| open since investors got on board...
| noworriesnate wrote:
| I hadn't heard of the controversy, it seems like this is a good
| summary:
| https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/y1uuvj/aut...
| nohat wrote:
| Maybe that post has been edited into coherence, but when it
| was posted that summary was misleading or flat wrong about a
| lot of points.
| mikkergp wrote:
| I get the impression we're about to see an ocean of litigation
| around AI and IP. If you're not a participant it will probably
| make good popcorn fodder. Though I don't doubt that there is a
| threat to graphics design and other creative jobs, may not be
| time to switch careers quite yet.
| gitfan86 wrote:
| Because there is a lot of money and fear involved I agree that
| there will be a lot of litigation, but the outcomes will be
| mixed at best for the copyright holders.
|
| Lots of people have memorized lyrics to copyrighted songs but
| no one is suing them for the memorization. They are only suing
| when the memorizer is trying to make money off of the song
| without permission of the copyright holder. The burden of proof
| is on the copyright holder to prove that the builder of the
| model was intending to distribute IP that they did not own.
| mikkergp wrote:
| > They are only suing when the memorizer is trying to make
| money off of the song without permission of the copyright
| holder.
|
| Granted everything I know about copyright law I learned in a
| few audio tapes in my car, but I think the question I have is
| not, can you sue AI for absorbing information, but is AI
| unique enough that you couldn't find byte strings or patterns
| that match source material too closely.
|
| See the recent twitter thread on CSParse for example:
| https://twitter.com/docsparse/status/1581461734665367554
| cma wrote:
| Are models that aren't overfit on something else copyrighted even
| copyrightable in the US? I know they are in the UK and it may
| differ from place to place.
| amrrs wrote:
| Stable Diffusion was released with Open RAIL License which allows
| anyone to fine-tune and release their own models while complying
| the ToS of the original SD release. It's quite strange IP Leak is
| quoted in the take down request.
|
| https://huggingface.co/spaces/CompVis/stable-diffusion-licen...
| fragmede wrote:
| Pedantically iiuc, Stable Diffusion 1.3 and 1.4 were released
| with that license but 1.5 has yet to be released officially.
| Besides a verbal promise from Emad which isn't legally binding,
| there's no reason a) 1.5 ever has to be released, but b) if it
| is, since it's Stability AI's IP, they're free to put whatever
| license they want on 1.5 including a proprietary for-money
| license which having a public torrent leak cuts in the revenue
| from.
| fragmede wrote:
| 1.5 is out now, so I suppose the point's moot.
|
| edit: never mind, jumped the gun and thought it was an
| official release but it turns out I was just confused.
|
| https://huggingface.co/runwayml/stable-diffusion-v1-5
| minimaxir wrote:
| That is the repo/release this takedown request was about.
|
| Note that it is not the stabilityai repo.
| ansk wrote:
| This is exactly why Stability's role as a middleman in these
| model releases is an indefensible business position. The research
| underlying stable diffusion does not belong to them, so any
| company which wants to fund the training of the next iteration of
| these models can easily step in and fill their role. And since
| Stability itself is not pioneering this line of research (rather,
| they are just facilitating the training and distribution of
| models), they will always be lagging behind other companies which
| employ the researchers themselves (i.e. Runway's apparent
| position in this debacle). Stability's role as middleman has been
| so far innocuous if not generally helpful, but now that this role
| has a market price of $1B, companies and researchers are going to
| be eager to cut them out of the process and reap the rewards for
| themselves.
| dhdgrygev wrote:
| I'm thoroughly confused. Is this the 1.5 release everyone was
| waiting for, or not?
| minimaxir wrote:
| Yes, but it was unclear.
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