[HN Gopher] A Mechanical Neural Network Learns to Respond to Its...
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       A Mechanical Neural Network Learns to Respond to Its Environment
        
       Author : _Microft
       Score  : 24 points
       Date   : 2022-10-20 17:56 UTC (3 days ago)
        
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       | akihitosan wrote:
       | I think to call a big machine a material is very wrong.
        
       | mach1ne wrote:
       | >Learns to Respond to Its Environment
       | 
       | So we're back at this kind of antropomorphization.
        
         | juunpp wrote:
         | *Anthropos, and as if learning was unique to humans? What is
         | learning anyway if not the adaptation of the brain to its
         | inputs?
        
       | andrewflnr wrote:
       | Given the title "Mechanical Neural Network", the presence of a
       | conventional digital computer is really disappointing. I went in
       | to this article hoping for steampunk AI.
        
         | abecedarius wrote:
         | Here's an idea: ReLU basically = a seesaw + ropes that attach
         | at a movable distance from the fulcrum. Adjusting a 'weight' =
         | sliding the attachment. Nonlinearity = rope can pull but not
         | push.
         | 
         | I'm afraid getting the details to work in practice would
         | probably be horrible.
         | 
         | Not steampunk but sort of biopunk: years ago someone programmed
         | a DNA strand displacement mechanism to implement a particular
         | fixed neural network, as a proof of concept.
        
       | iNic wrote:
       | I don't understand the advantage of this over just having a
       | digital NN and then pushing the output to some electric motor?
        
         | mjburgess wrote:
         | It depends on how much koolaid you've drunk.
         | 
         | A NN implemented on a digital computer is a fixed way of
         | varying the electrical field of the CPU (etc.) given (eg.,) an
         | SSD state which produces a fixed way of varying (eg.,) a motor.
         | 
         | This is very (very) far away from adaptive motion at the
         | "tissue" level.
         | 
         | The semi-mystical notion that a NN is a kind of "programming of
         | reality" is false: just as a NN running on a CPU cannot perform
         | nuclear fusion, it likewise, cannot produce material
         | adaptation.
         | 
         | It is an open question whether any non-organic material is
         | adaptive, and I'd bet against it.
        
         | rongopo wrote:
         | Indeed there is not such advantage.
        
         | bufferoverflow wrote:
         | I think you're missing the point. I think it's to demonstrate
         | that fully mechanical systems can learn and react like a real
         | brain plus muscles and sensors.
         | 
         | The possible implication is, if consciousness can arise in a
         | digital neural net, it can also arise in a mechanical system,
         | you just need enough of levers and gears connected in a certain
         | way.
        
           | djokkataja wrote:
           | > I think it's to demonstrate that fully mechanical systems
           | can learn and react like a real brain plus muscles and
           | sensors.
           | 
           | That wasn't the point of the research as expressed in the
           | article (note that the final image has a label for "Control
           | electronics" underneath the mechanical system):
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           | > Thus, this work lays the foundation for artificial-
           | intelligent (AI) materials that can learn behaviors and
           | properties.
           | 
           | With applications such as:
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           | > use in aircraft wings to morph the shape in response to
           | wind patterns to boost efficiency, adding reactive rigidity
           | to buildings to better withstand earthquakes and other
           | disasters, shockwave-deflecting reactive armor, or even the
           | creation of surfaces able to perform acoustic imaging.
        
       | rongopo wrote:
       | What is the point of the video??
        
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