[HN Gopher] 3M Glass Cloth Tape 361
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       3M Glass Cloth Tape 361
        
       Author : tosh
       Score  : 47 points
       Date   : 2022-10-20 18:43 UTC (3 days ago)
        
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       | DemeterFarm wrote:
       | Anyone have any examples of what they use this for? I don't have
       | much that needs to be taped AND fireproof.
        
         | dtgriscom wrote:
         | Myself, I often use it as a back-up strip for submerged arc
         | welding.
         | 
         | (Well, I would if I did any submerged arc welding...)
        
         | jcims wrote:
         | Had the same question. I always have a roll of that aluminum
         | tape around and find uses for it in hot spots. This seems like
         | it could be better in cases where there's some flex. It's
         | probably got a lot higher tensile strength than most tapes,
         | too.
        
         | CamperBob2 wrote:
         | If, say, you had a crystal oscillator or voltage reference that
         | is temperature-compensated or oven-stabilized, but also
         | vulnerable to short-term instability due to convection currents
         | or other airflow-related issues, you might wrap it in this type
         | of tape, or use the tape to secure an aluminized heat wrap
         | material that doesn't adhere well enough on its own.
         | 
         | Or if you're out of https://www.grainger.com/product/3M-Duct-
         | Tape-Nuclear-Grade-...? and need something in a pinch.
         | 
         | Obscure thing to see here, for sure.
        
         | waiwai933 wrote:
         | The recommended applications seem like they make sense?
         | 
         | > * Permanent sealing of high temperature ducts or chambers
         | 
         | > * Applications requiring heat treatment followed by clean
         | removal of the tape with little or no stain
         | 
         | > * Protect surfaces against abrasion
         | 
         | > * High temperature masking
         | 
         | > * Bundling, holding and wire harnessing
        
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         | exmadscientist wrote:
         | It is expensive enough that you only want to use it when
         | necessary, but they [1] built this place [0] with it. The hot
         | water drill they used to bore into the Antarctic ice cycled
         | between +100 degrees C and -40 degrees C daily, which caused it
         | to develop leaks. This tape is one of the few materials that
         | can survive in those conditions and hold the thing together.
         | Nothing else they tried could do it.
         | 
         | [0]: https://icecube.wisc.edu/ [1]:
         | http://www.psl.wisc.edu/projects/large/icecube
        
           | joshvm wrote:
           | Winterover '20-21 here (there are other WOs on HN). We call
           | it "driller tape" because it's was used all the time when the
           | strings were installed (i.e. during drilling). Generally
           | useful stuff for sticking things outdoors, though you do need
           | to be quick with it. We also have a lot of teflon coated
           | cable on station because everything else goes rock solid
           | within a few minutes in winter. I rewired a bunch of people's
           | heated goggles with that stuff (with an adapter for an off-
           | head battery) because the factory cabling would break.
           | 
           | However it's not made by 3M, the stuff we have at Pole now is
           | Nitto P-212 [0][1]. It's possible we or other experiments
           | used 3M in the past - given it's been a decade since we broke
           | the ice - but the stuff on station definitely has that
           | blue/white branding on the inside of the roll.
           | 
           | Just to give an idea of how oddly stringent we are down
           | there, and how experimental a lot of this is - regular things
           | break all the time even in relatively controlled
           | environments. Simple solutions like that tape are preferred
           | where possible. The year before I wintered, the IceCube
           | summer crew had to replace over 100 PSU fans in the cluster
           | with equivalent Noctuas because the OEM ones would fail
           | weekly. We did the same with DOM power supplies - I think we
           | use exclusively Meanwell now. Never had any issues with those
           | in my deployment, so it made quite a big difference. It's a
           | harsh continent :)
           | 
           | [0]: https://www.nitto.com/eu/en/products/e_parts/heat_resist
           | ant0...
           | 
           | [1]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/annals-of-
           | glaciology...
        
             | exmadscientist wrote:
             | To be fair I never spent time on the Pole myself (though I
             | did get to ship one piece of Irreplaceable Science Stuff*
             | thataway...) (*Containing punch cards! Real genuine punch
             | cards! ...as shims.), I just spent some time about a decade
             | ago onsite in China with Jeff, where he talked quite a bit
             | about driller's tape and how we didn't have any there in
             | China. I tracked down the stuff myself based on his
             | description, so I'm not surprised if I got the specific
             | manufacturer wrong.
        
           | twawaaay wrote:
           | These specialty tapes seem expensive but when you need them
           | you need them and nothing else will help. And then the price
           | does not matter that much.
        
       | sc970 wrote:
       | civil aircraft engineers will carry this and 3M 425 aluminium
       | 'speed tape' with them which covers most jobs.
       | 
       | This is for sealing the cargo hold wall panels to ensure they are
       | completely covered in flam proof materials. Normally a visual
       | inspection is carried out each week to look for any damage in the
       | holds.
        
         | aasasd wrote:
         | At the Baku Formula 1 race this year, the Alpha Tauri team
         | taped together the rear wing on Yuki Tsunoda's car when it
         | began flapping around--perplexing some fans. (Dynamic
         | adjustment of the wing didn't work after that, of course, and
         | more importantly Tsunoda finished thirteenth outside of the
         | points, making the effort moot.) In the discussions, it
         | surfaced that 'speed tape' is what's used in F1, also with some
         | educating photos like an airplane turbine being sealed with
         | such tape.
        
           | Cthulhu_ wrote:
           | 13th is still respectable, and if the people in front had
           | issues they would have gone up in the ranks - better to
           | finish in less than ideal circumstances than not try at all.
        
             | aasasd wrote:
             | Eh, five drivers retired from that race, including both
             | Ferraris--so Tsunoda was in fact third last, ahead only of
             | young Schumacher and Latifi. I mean, it was an okay try,
             | but regrettably it went nowhere.
        
               | markdown wrote:
               | Young? I'm pretty sure he was racing when I was a child
               | 30 years ago.
        
               | aasasd wrote:
               | That's the not-young one. This year's Mick Schumacher is
               | Michael's son.
        
         | sc970 wrote:
         | For reference. MEA A320 weekly check https://masco.com.lb/wp-
         | content/plugins/documents/A320%20WEE...
        
           | bragr wrote:
           | Tangent but this caught my eye:
           | 
           | >Cleaning of vacuum waste lines with chemical cleaning agent
           | and crushed ice
           | 
           | Is there like a special ice cleaning slurry they use? Or do
           | they just dump a bucket of ice and some chemicals in the
           | lavatory and flush?
        
             | sc970 wrote:
             | Just some ice and chemical then flush.
             | 
             | Skychem or Honeybee 76 is the chemical
        
             | galangalalgol wrote:
             | Some people use ice to clean RV tanks too. Flush a bunch of
             | it then drive a while and let it bang around as it melts
             | then drain it. Probably would work on a boat too.
        
             | martyvis wrote:
             | And in between checking maintenance log book and tire
             | pressures:-
             | 
             | Replace the Espresso Machine Frother P/N: 227431250 as per
             | DEV 338A Part III
        
         | jasonhansel wrote:
         | IIRC it's surprisingly common to see bits of speed tape on
         | commercial airliners, used to temporarily seal things off until
         | they can be repaired more permanently.
        
       | woah wrote:
       | How much does this stuff cost?
        
         | mrb wrote:
         | 4 USD per yard: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LN84Q2G
        
           | norvvryo wrote:
           | Or $105 for 60yd
           | 
           | https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/3m/361-3-4-X60YD-.
           | ..
        
           | chrisseaton wrote:
           | Are aerospace engineers really working in 'yards'?
        
             | walrus01 wrote:
             | Flight itself is certainly done in feet and knots and such.
             | 
             | But I would hope that fasteners on aircraft are all metric
             | these days.
        
       | tromp wrote:
       | Glass cloth 361 sounds like a good name for a cloth to wipe Go
       | (the game) stones.
        
         | benj111 wrote:
         | Sounds like a prog rock band to me.
        
       | swayvil wrote:
       | I need this tape. For my collection.
       | 
       | Here it is at Amazon
       | 
       | https://a.co/d/g6NchR8
        
         | genericone wrote:
         | Definitely one more tape to add to my bin of tapes: various
         | widths of kapton, various vhb mounting tapes, anisotropic
         | electrically conductive 9703, and ultra-slippery rulon tape...
         | all of which I never use of course.
        
           | capnahab wrote:
           | and the helicopter leading edge tape, I have a 50m roll I
           | have used 3 iches of.
        
           | loxias wrote:
           | Bi-directional filament tape (aka "hexayurt tape") is a good
           | one. Bonds quickly to most things, has absurdly great tensile
           | strength as well.
           | 
           | I also have an "exotic tapes" bin. :)
        
             | amelius wrote:
             | Here's a list of other types of adhesive tape:
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adhesive_tapes
             | 
             | For example, do you already have a toupee tape in your
             | collection? :)
        
         | FPGAhacker wrote:
         | This the kind of thing I wouldn't buy at amazon. It's small,
         | expensive and mechanically simple. A good recipe for
         | counterfeiting.
        
       | duxup wrote:
       | >Silicone adhesive provides good holding power and clean removal
       | across a wide range of temperatures
       | 
       | Adhesives are amazing... I wish I understood them better.
        
         | busyant wrote:
         | agree. materials science in general is far more interesting
         | than i would have guessed when i was a student.
        
           | amelius wrote:
           | But the design-fabricate-test cycle is much longer than a
           | typical edit-compile-test cycle. What do you do in the mean
           | time?
        
         | marmetio wrote:
         | This resource covers every level from pop sci to pro
         | https://www.stevenabbott.co.uk/practical-adhesion/
        
       | matgessel wrote:
       | My favorite tape for attenuating bright or annoying LEDs is ruby
       | litho tape (3M Lithographers Tape 616). It passes deep red light
       | and dims bright green and blue LEDs to a faint red. It's perfect
       | for green/amber status lights; the green "OK" is mostly blocked
       | and the amber "Problem" shines through. Removes easily without
       | leaving a mark.
       | 
       | https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40068069/
       | 
       | https://www.amazon.com/3M-Lithographers-0-375-width-length/d...
        
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       | rektide wrote:
       | Yowza. 2.25" roll, 60 yards long is $280 on $bigsite. 33.75 sq
       | ft. I guess $1.55/linear-foot of pretty wide (2.25") very awesome
       | tape aint that bad but this is definitely a bit more than I was
       | expecting. Sounds rad though, keeps planes flying, so I get it.
       | 
       | Comments also mention 425 aluminum "speed tape", which seems to
       | be between half to third the price.
        
       | rowanG077 wrote:
       | For all the grief 3M has put on humanity they still make some
       | pretty neat stuff.
        
         | bragr wrote:
         | Sometimes I just bump around their site looking at all the neat
         | stuff they offer and especially the oddball niche application
         | stuff. They really have a glue or tape for just about any
         | scenario!
        
           | jasonhansel wrote:
           | The best places for that are websites like Grainger and
           | Fastenal. They sell all the things you see all the time in
           | commercial businesses, but never realized you could actually
           | buy. (Of course, they tend to be surprisingly expensive.)
        
             | hedora wrote:
             | Also, check out U Line. They are more packaging /
             | facilities focused.
        
         | anoother wrote:
         | Genuinely serious and ignorant question: What grief?
        
           | bragr wrote:
           | As a huge chemical conglomerate with a long history, they've
           | been involved in their fair share of pollution incidents and
           | other controversies.
           | 
           | https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-3m-pfas-toxic-
           | foreve...
           | 
           | https://www.reuters.com/business/3m-agrees-pay-98-mln-
           | resolv...
        
           | swader999 wrote:
           | Management by post it notes comes to mind.
        
           | exmadscientist wrote:
           | 3M products are great because they always do what they say
           | they're going to do. They usually even overperform by a large
           | margin. They're one of my suppliers of choice for industrial
           | applications or anything R&D where we don't quite know how
           | good it has to be yet.
           | 
           | 3M toxic chemical waste is also a core 3M product, and
           | overperforms too. Some of their Superfund sites, particularly
           | the C8/PFOA/fluorinated crud ones, are among the worst
           | around. (I grew up on the other side of the city from their
           | worst one! Yay!)
           | 
           | And, like any company in the fluorinated chemicals business,
           | 3M has overperformed at ozone depletion and greenhouse
           | forcing. I can give them a pass on that particular one, since
           | society as a whole didn't care much about that stuff until
           | recently. I can't, however, give them a pass for how nasty
           | Scotchgard was/is and how much of it was sprayed on/near me
           | as a child. If you remember Scotchgard, don't look up what it
           | really was or you might regret your parents' life choices.
        
             | hinkley wrote:
             | I recall once researching superfund distribution on some
             | sort of thesis that the West Coast is Better, only to
             | discover that Washington State is top ten for a superfund
             | sites, and in large part because of all of the nasty ways
             | we've come up with to preserve lumber over the years. Well,
             | shit.
             | 
             | It's no PFOAs but it's a class of chemicals specifically
             | selected for preventing decay so it's up there. We really
             | should know better by now.
        
               | bbarnett wrote:
               | People get mad at concrete re:co2, but compare its
               | lifespan to wood, without preservatives.
               | 
               | How many houses, without preservatives in the wood, would
               | rot and be rebuilt, compared to 100% concrete/rock
               | housing?
               | 
               | And with each rebuild, comes all the wiring, plumbing,
               | which is rarely recycled well, and recycling isn't
               | environmentally cost free.
               | 
               | ICF seems a good idea to me.
        
               | SECProto wrote:
               | > How many houses, without preservatives in the wood,
               | would rot and be rebuilt, compared to 100% concrete/rock
               | housing?
               | 
               | This isn't a great comparison, as unreinforced concrete
               | is not used for structures. If you're speaking about
               | steel reinforced concrete, they usually have a lifespan
               | in the 100 year range for something protected from the
               | elements like structural walls (assuming the aggregate is
               | well chosen to avoid sulphate attack). For comparison,
               | much of the housing stock in my area is stick framed and
               | is of a similar age - ~70 years.
        
               | LgWoodenBadger wrote:
               | Probably very few since interior wood is not pressure
               | treated.
        
               | walrus01 wrote:
               | One can go down a pretty nasty toxic waste rabbit hole if
               | you research all the attempts at chemical treatment for
               | wood utility poles (for electrical grid and telecom,
               | historically). Particularly a place like WA, OR, ID, BC
               | having plenty of trees also has a mostly aerial
               | electrical and telecom distribution last mile. And of
               | course the companies that own and must maintain these
               | poles have an interest in them lasting as long as
               | possible...
               | 
               | My understanding right now is they've gone back to more
               | traditional tar/creosote impregnated and coatings.
        
             | stevespang wrote:
        
           | hinkley wrote:
           | Scotchguard is the biggest black eye I know of. I don't know
           | what's in it now but it used to be cancer in a can.
        
           | markdown wrote:
           | You (and most Americans... maybe most humans), have PFOA's
           | (forever chemicals) in your blood that came from 3M.
           | 
           | https://www.healthvermont.gov/sites/default/files/documents/.
           | ..
           | 
           | https://theintercept.com/2018/07/31/3m-pfas-minnesota-
           | pfoa-p...
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | One of those 3 Ms must stand for "malevolence".
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | There are times when they have been less recalcitrant than
         | their competitors. Faint praise for sure but when you are doing
         | PR bits for recapturing solvents for reuse instead of
         | exhausting them or burning them, years before your peers are
         | getting sued for not doing the same, you might not be angels
         | but you're also probably not the devil either.
        
       | wackget wrote:
       | I've got a propane pizza oven which has some hot spots on the
       | base.
       | 
       | Could I use this tape to cover up some of the holes in the bottom
       | gas pipe to reduce the amount of heat which hits the base?
        
         | CamperBob2 wrote:
         | Look for Thermo-Tec 13575 or similar part # at your local auto
         | parts store. It will likely work better than glass cloth tape
         | for that purpose.
        
         | coryrc wrote:
         | No, but I bet a metal hose clamp would work.
        
         | userbinator wrote:
         | Are you referring to the burner? That's far hotter than this
         | tape can withstand:
         | 
         |  _Withstands temperatures from -65degF /-54degC to
         | 450degF/232degC and intermittent temperatures up to
         | 550degF/288degC or higher, depending on the type and duration
         | of the heat source_
        
           | amelius wrote:
           | Any tape that can do it?
        
             | murderfs wrote:
             | Basalt tape might be an option: it's commonly used for car
             | exhaust insulation.
        
               | userbinator wrote:
               | As hot as exhaust pipes get, I doubt it would compare to
               | being directly next to an open flame.
        
       | stevespang wrote:
        
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