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RISC-V Celebrates Upstreaming of Android Open Source Project RISC-V
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Author : ndesaulniers
Score : 70 points
Date : 2022-10-24 18:38 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| neilv wrote:
| I've realized that my only interest in RISC-V all along has been
| the disruptive opportunity to possibly get open and auditable
| firmware and hardware (for human rights, empowerment, and
| security).
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| If AOSP on RISC-V helps promote RISC-V in a way that increases
| the likelihood of viable open firmware and hardware emerging in
| the ecology, that's great.
|
| However, if, like some dev boards I've seen, we end up heading
| down a path of more of the same problem we already have with
| user-hostile platforms (just musical chairs of who's making the
| money from it), I'll save myself some trouble, and just keep
| using x86-64 and ARM.
| cbm-vic-20 wrote:
| Yep. The RISC-V cores themselves will run the same
| instructions, but there will almost certainly be a lot of
| proprietary devices on the SoC they reside on. Chip vendors
| save money by not paying ARM for a license. Maybe that savings
| will be passed on to customers. Probably not.
| Pet_Ant wrote:
| Most devices will continue to be blackboxes. Most of the
| support for RISC-V comes from players looking to [commodotise
| their complements](https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/st
| rategy-letter-v/) and avoid the ARM-licensing tax. They have no
| interest in openers, just in less material cost and more
| flexibility for themselves. However, this will allow for a
| parallel community of open hardware to be built (in a way that
| you can't due to the patents, licensing, and overall cruft of
| x86/x86-64) that is compatible with the tools and software that
| is being built for these ARM-tax dodgers. So you'll be able to
| build a desktop that runs a fully open RISC-V CPU and board at
| 10 times the price and half the cost of a blackbox solution and
| while it will only run at half the speed, you will be able to
| be a legitimate Windows license for it. That is a realistic
| dream.
| evilos wrote:
| I know it is besides your point but the thought of going
| through all that and then running windows on it made me
| laugh.
| nerpderp82 wrote:
| You _should_ be able to take that AOSP and run it on hardware
| you designed yourself. Getting RISC-V and AOSP together pulls
| in thousands of more folks from the mobile phone ecosystem.
| This can only be a good thing.
|
| The low end always eats the high end, so if AOSP is running on
| budget RISC-V SoCs, it is only a matter of time before it is
| encroaching on the middle and highend.
| kramerger wrote:
| > my only interest in RISC-V all along has been the disruptive
| opportunity to possibly get open and auditable firmware and
| hardware
|
| Someone PLEASE explain this to me? How in gods name will an
| open ISA result in open firmware and standarized hardware??
|
| And what is open ISA anyway? Is MIPS open? How about PowerPC?
| Or, I don't know.. microblaze??
| snvzz wrote:
| SBI (in practice, opensbi) has been standardized for years.
|
| UEFI on RISC-V (which is optional and runs after SBI does) was
| standardized early this year.
|
| The pieces are in place for proper, standardized boot process,
| way before phones/servers/laptops flood the market.
|
| I think RISC-V is a good position for boot chaos to be entirely
| avoided.
| loufe wrote:
| Alibaba cloud supporting this effort with developer hours is a
| smart play. Migrating away from Western-controlled technologies
| (the complicated story of ARM China notwithstanding) is a good
| political play. I would wager that an independant and further-
| developed China will before too long start to push their own
| propietary systems once their chip and software industries
| approach American maturity.
|
| That aside, oh how I love seeing open source thrive, regardless
| of the reason.
| lsllc wrote:
| Maybe it's me, but I'm getting a 404 on this link!
| 0xcde4c3db wrote:
| It seems to only load consistently for me if I navigate to it
| from the front page of riscv.org, but it might just be some
| intermittent issue in their CMS.
| nerpderp82 wrote:
| https://archive.ph/2iDvR
| WASDx wrote:
| Going to their main site https://riscv.org/ and _then_
| refreshing the article worked for me...
| [deleted]
| snvzz wrote:
| To me it was 404 earlier, worked later.
|
| Some sort of CMS issue... perhaps they have out-of-sync
| backends.
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