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       I've been working on Recall for a while now, it had some initial
       traction in the beginning which has since died down now. I am
       facing the inevitable question of whether to continue with the
       project. I just put out a new release and it would be helpful to
       get advice from the community on what they think of the idea and my
       implementation.
        
       Author : paulrchds
       Score  : 143 points
       Date   : 2022-11-01 19:11 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.recall-app.com)
        
       | jrussino wrote:
       | I'm certainly in the target audience for this. Nice work!
       | 
       | Here's a feature request: make it easy for me to import/dump
       | stuff from the other methods that I've tried to use to store
       | things I'm interested in. For example: HN favorites, Reddit saved
       | posts, Firefox bookmarks, Instapaper bookmarks, ios notes
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Awesome, let me know if you would do a user interview?
         | 
         | Thanks for the feature request. I have import browser bookmarks
         | in my backlog. I think I can prioritise it higher. If you share
         | your email I can mail you when its ready.
        
       | happytiger wrote:
       | I love the concept but I'd be reticent to invest so much in a
       | platform that has the possibilities that if it hits it's likely
       | to go away from acquisition and if it doesn't is likely to go
       | away from lack of financial incentive.
       | 
       | We're storing some valuable stuff here. I wouldn't want to put
       | the kind of time I put into research and then find one day it's
       | gone (like Reader, Delicious, etc.)
       | 
       | What are the plans in those instances?
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | I have and FAQ point that addresses this here. Quoting from the
         | site:
         | 
         | What happens if Recall disappears one day?
         | 
         | It is understandable that there is some hesitation to invest
         | your time into adding your information to a new application and
         | the obvious fear that it may just disappear one day. I want to
         | reassure you that we are fully committed to Recall for the long
         | term. But in the unlikely and unfortunate case that Recall
         | doesn't work out we will ensure that there is more than enough
         | time for users to export their data so that it can be moved to
         | another application. We would also open-source the project to
         | allow users to host Recall themselves.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | If it were easy to export your data to markdown or sync with
         | other apps, would that ease your concerns?
        
           | Sakos wrote:
           | Other concerned potential user here. Absolutely, yes.
           | Particularly exporting markdown.
        
           | Operyl wrote:
           | The ability to schedule backups of my data, perhaps emailed
           | or something I can hit periodically myself (API?) would make
           | me hop on and pay now. Until then, I can't justify even
           | investing time to try right now.
        
       | ankaAr wrote:
       | Nice stuff.
       | 
       | I want a browser extension to "send to recall"
       | 
       | It could save me to have 100 tabs saved by groups of interest...
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Its on the roadmap :) https://www.recall.wiki/roadmap
        
       | aliqot wrote:
       | As someone who lives and dies based on written notes, thank you.
       | Sincerely.
        
       | heavytea21475 wrote:
       | This seems really well built. It's fast and responsive. It looks
       | nice. But I just don't understand what I would use it for.
       | 
       | It seems like the idea is to build a database of people, movies,
       | Wikipedia articles and such and then be able to find them via
       | search/links. But I'm not at all sold on why I need this in my
       | life.
       | 
       | Is there a way to make the value clearer? Am I just not in the
       | target audience? Who is going to see this and say "TAKE MY MONEY"
       | and why?
       | 
       | I'm thinking of products that were instant sign-ups for me...
       | 
       | Spotify: For one price, listen to all the music on Earth whenever
       | you want. TAKE MY MONEY!
       | 
       | Gmail: Fast email with 2 GB storage. This was such an instant
       | sign-up they had to make an invite system to slow people getting
       | access.
       | 
       | Maybe could add something like Lichess: Chess training and games,
       | with modern UX, offered open source as a public good. I mean, if
       | you're at all interested in chess, that's an instant sign-up,
       | right?
       | 
       | Trying to say, this idea of presenting a clear value isn't
       | limited to big players like Spotify and Gmail, but can also be
       | done by smaller companies if the value presented is really clear.
       | 
       | What should someone see that makes them instantly recognize they
       | need this in their life, because that's what I'm totally missing
       | here.
        
         | A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote:
         | <<This seems really well built. It's fast and responsive. It
         | looks nice.
         | 
         | I second that. It was really the first time in a while where I
         | did not have to wait just to see the landing page. It is a
         | little sad that is not considered normal, but here we are.
        
         | cyberge99 wrote:
         | Perhaps it's your vantage point. I just saw this on mobile, and
         | if it does what I think it does, I can't wait to try it out. At
         | least for me personally I think this may be exactly what I need
         | for knowledge (interest) management.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | It's definitely not for everyone. The idea is that you can
         | track things you are interested over your life, when you add
         | new content that is related to something you have added in the
         | past, it creates a link automatically resurfacing the old
         | content. It basically build a knowledge graph of all your
         | interests. Thanks for your feedback.
        
           | heavytea21475 wrote:
           | Is this supposed to be limited to things like people, movies,
           | shows, etc.? It seemed that way based on what search box
           | would accept. I couldn't even add a book via search. And
           | there was mention of articles / blogs... but there's no way
           | to import something like that from what I could tell, so it
           | would be all manual entry which seems to defeat the purpose.
        
         | JustinVx wrote:
         | > But I just don't understand what I would use it for.
         | 
         | Isn't that clearly stated in the name of the post: It "helps
         | you remember shit you are interested in."
         | 
         | Personally I run into interesting things all the time, and it
         | seems great to be able to have a place to store them so I don't
         | forget about them. That's clear value to me. I'm honestly a bit
         | puzzled how you don't see value.
         | 
         | For me, I would need an app in order to start using this
         | though. Otherwise it's just to much of a hassle to add stuff
         | (which means I wouldn't do it).
        
           | paulrchds wrote:
           | It's a PWA at the moment so it works quite well on mobile.
           | But proper mobile versions will come in the future.
        
       | untech wrote:
       | Can you perhaps sell this as an automated/smart Obsidian?
       | Personal knowledge bases are all the rage now, see a recent
       | discussion of Obsidian 1.0.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | For sometime I was actually considering making recall a plugin
         | for Obsidian.
        
           | evolve2k wrote:
           | I'm using obsidian and Zotero as an academic workflow for my
           | PhD.
           | 
           | There is a huge market for knowledge tools for students and
           | academics, and universities, libraries and high schools often
           | buy these tools in bulk to be a student resource.
           | 
           | I gather all my academic articles in Zotero and can cite them
           | into my papers from Zotero > Obsidian > Pandoc Cite
           | 
           | I think your tool could be a great way to help me gather all
           | the media around my research.
           | 
           | If you could tie into a citation workflow, into pandoc, you'd
           | be on a big winner.
           | 
           | Look into how academics might want to go from your tool >
           | obsidian > pandoc > word to generated cited references from
           | your tool.
           | 
           | https://citeproc-js.readthedocs.io/en/latest/csl-
           | json/markup...
        
             | evolve2k wrote:
             | Actually better yet, take an immersive design approach,
             | look into enrolling into a short degree by research, and as
             | the uni resources you up on 'how to do academic research',
             | polish your tool and pitch it to students and academics
             | from the inside.
             | 
             | I didn't know this before but if you have an undergrad, you
             | can add a one year honours in research even at a different
             | institution or a two year masters by research.
             | 
             | We'll that's how it works in Australia anyways.
        
       | turds wrote:
       | Turds to remember.
        
       | acuozzo wrote:
       | First off, I'd like to state that this is excellent work you've
       | done.
       | 
       | With that being said, I see two issues:
       | 
       | 1. The branding is unrelatable. I don't need help remembering the
       | things I'm interested in. Most people don't, I reckon. However,
       | I'd bet that most people have trouble organizing data related to
       | their interests. This right here is the heart of your product:
       | Bookmarks++. Bookmarks on anabolic/androgenic steroids.
       | 
       | 2. "Media" as the default selection immediately makes me feel
       | like this is another Letterboxd. I know it's not. I know it's
       | nothing like Letterboxd at all, but that's the feeling it gives
       | me.
       | 
       | So, yeah... the first feeling I got looking at the homepage was:
       | "Recall? Movie Posters? Is this Anki meets Letterboxd?"
       | 
       | I know that this isn't your intention, but as we both know: the
       | first five seconds are crucial. It's so easy to click away.
       | 
       | Good luck! I hope this helps and I hope you succeed.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | 1. Thanks for pointing this out. I have been playing around
         | with different versions of the copy. I have been struggling to
         | get something concise that explains the idea.
         | 
         | 2. I went with media as the main image as I thought it would be
         | the most relatable. I guess I could put the everything section
         | first.
        
       | deafpolygon wrote:
       | E2EE is my bare minimum nowadays for things like that.
        
       | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
       | All I want to know is, does it use Semantic Web? This is like the
       | perfect application for a semantic knowledge base.
       | (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q54837
       | https://guides.library.ucla.edu/semantic-web/wikidata)
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | yeah, wikidata is one of the sources used. The browser
         | extension I am working on will parse the semantic markup from
         | the page too.
        
       | p2hari wrote:
       | Could not find an email on the profile. I have a potential idea
       | which maybe we can discuss. Would help you to answer some of the
       | questions/concerns mentioned in the comments.
        
         | yawnxyz wrote:
         | his email is on the bottom left corner of the home page
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | paul@recall.wiki
        
       | nonethewiser wrote:
       | Not using Recall Graph built on Arrango DB by chance, are you?
       | https://github.com/RecallGraph
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Nope, but that looks cool.
        
       | HellsMaddy wrote:
       | This is super cool. I just tried it out by looking into a few
       | health/medical topics. So far, I've only tried the "internal"
       | experience of "create note with search", "expanding" and clicking
       | on links - I haven't tried saving links from my normal web
       | browsing. It's a nice alternative to using Wikipedia for quickly
       | researching a topic, the benefit being that it gives me bullet
       | points so I'm not overloaded with information.
       | 
       | I don't see myself replacing my Obsidian notes with this any time
       | soon, but it could serve the niche of the first pass of research
       | - a quick way to collect information, where afterwards I'd
       | consolidate my findings into more permanent notes in Obsidian.
       | 
       | What would make this really useful is more data sources. As far
       | as I can tell, Recall's "create note with search" only uses
       | Wikipedia right now. It would be awesome to be able to compile
       | information from multiple sources into one note. For example, I
       | was just looking into anemia. It would be cool if, in addition to
       | Wikipedia, I could pull in some information from WebMD, Mayo
       | Clinic, or Harvard Health, too. A more fine-grained way to pick
       | and choose what information I want to add would also be useful.
       | 
       | Nice project, I'll keep an eye on it! Also, good job with the
       | mobile UX, it's pretty good!
        
       | Breefield wrote:
       | I'd like a feature that reminds me of a particular piece of
       | information at a logarithmic cadence so I can commit it to memory
       | better by being reminded a few times within a few weeks/months,
       | but then a nudge 6 months down the line, etc.
        
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       | unit2044 wrote:
        
       | _HMCB_ wrote:
       | If data is stored locally, why would FAQs state that once it
       | becomes non-Freemium, they won't lock you out of your notes.
       | Shouldn't that be a given?
        
       | blueyes wrote:
       | Really interesting. For me, this solves some of the data ingest
       | and manual update problem of creating a "second mind".
        
       | iLoveOncall wrote:
       | It's cool that it's offline-first, but make an offline-only
       | version and I'll use it. Or a "bring your own DB" version. I'd
       | even pay a one-time fee for it.
       | 
       | I'm not giving my data to some random small startup.
        
       | mikesabat wrote:
       | My take on this idea (take it or leave it) was a bookmark app for
       | real life. Use cases: Pass a cool looking restaurant, bookmark
       | it. Hear about a movie, book or new series, bookmark it. Concert
       | or event coming to town, bookmark it.
       | 
       | Functionality to build on top of the core concept Reminders,
       | obviously Tools to plan & schedule with friends
       | 
       | Business model: Sell ads or coupons to the bookmarked locations.
       | Unfortunately this model sucks pre-scale, but it could be started
       | locally if that helps.
       | 
       | The idea could definitely be gamified, if people still do that
       | and if the planning with friends feature works there is a viral
       | aspect to the idea.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Thanks for sharing, its a useful idea for me to think about.
        
       | torial wrote:
       | One thought is if you could work on marketing / targeted theme
       | for people with memory issues (like from age, or illness). So
       | perhaps explore if you can sell it as a tool to assist those with
       | medical needs for it.
        
       | skipants wrote:
       | This looks cool. As someone who just keeps this info as tabs in
       | their phone browser that I may stumble upon randomly in the
       | future it really speaks to me.
       | 
       | One issue I have with data dumps like this is keeping them from
       | getting bloated. Say I use this a lot and have gathered 10,000
       | entries over two years -- how can I be sure that 1 entry I want
       | to recall isn't lost in the sea of the other 9,999?
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Thats where the bi-directional links come in. When you add
         | something new that is somehow related to something you have
         | added in the past, recall will automatically create a link for
         | you helping you resurface old knowledge when it is most
         | relevant.
        
       | bluedemon wrote:
       | This kind of reminds me of Collections that is in MS Edge.
        
       | civilized wrote:
       | Beyond the tool itself, I like what this tool encourages:
       | deliberate, conscious control of how we recall and explore our
       | interests. Not some algorithm hoovering up whatever our lizard
       | brains drove us to do at any given moment and offering us more of
       | that so we spend as much time on the app as possible. Just a
       | faithful servant helping us remember what we want to learn and do
       | and be.
       | 
       | Put another way: Twitter wants you to spend as much time on
       | Twitter as possible. If Twitter can interest you in fake
       | controversies where people get mad about stuff that isn't true or
       | makes no sense, Twitter will happily do that. But you're not
       | gonna put "dig into more fake Twitter controversies" in your
       | recall app. It's there to remind you of what you _truly_ want,
       | not just the things you can be tempted into wasting your life on.
       | 
       | I'd rather pay for an app that's going to make me better than get
       | a free app that's going to make me worse.
        
       | spking wrote:
       | I've been using mymind.com (paid), but I like the automatic
       | linking/resurfacing feature of this app.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Yeah I think the automatic bi-directional linking is the
         | biggest value add at the moment.
        
       | tkk23 wrote:
       | That's a beautiful branding. The UX seems to be very intuitive. I
       | would love to try it without registration. Since you store the
       | data in the browser, have you considered offering a fully offline
       | version that doesn't need registration for users to get hooked? I
       | would like to postpone syncing until the data becomes valuable.
       | 
       | To me, it would also be important that the data is stored in an
       | encrypted form on the server and that the key remains in the
       | browser and has to be stored by me.
       | 
       | Personally, I would like to have the option to discover people
       | who work on similar notes, think travel app [1] for mental
       | journeys. It would also be nice to have some social features like
       | voting on links or sharing notes or sets of notes so that others
       | can annotate them. Bonus points if those social features use an
       | open protocol so that users from other note taking apps can join.
       | 
       | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33344734
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | I have been planning on allowing users to start using the tool
         | without signing up and the data would just stay in the browser.
         | 
         | Unfortunately I would have to redo my syncing if the content on
         | the server was encrypted which I don't plan to do anytime soon.
         | 
         | The social idea is great.
        
       | sigmonsays wrote:
       | text files in a directory in git. You dont need much more!
        
       | rongopo wrote:
       | Surely people find I useful, as many useful things get lost.
       | 
       | To me, when something gets lost I accept it gladly, because IMHO
       | the thermodynamics of my effort vs my available time make it
       | irrelevant.
        
       | all2 wrote:
       | From the roadmap:
       | 
       | > Mobile apps in the Play and App stores.
       | 
       | > News subscriptions - this feature will allow you to subscribe
       | to news events relating to a note helping you stay informed on
       | things you are interested in.
       | 
       | > Add more built-in data sources.
       | 
       | > Improved categorization.
       | 
       | > Spaced repetition.
       | 
       | > News/article feed based on user interests.
       | 
       | Charge 5 bucks a month for those features and see if people bite.
       | That's a lot of stuff that most apps don't have. Especially the
       | subscriptions and the spaced repetition functionalities.
       | 
       | If people pay for your work, then you've got all the signal you
       | need to keep going.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Yeah you are right. Charging is the best way to tell if your
         | product is really providing value to users. I have been putting
         | it off always wanting to add more features first.
        
           | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
           | The best products have one feature that people go crazy for
           | and tell all their friends about. Find that feature, make it
           | great, charge for it.
        
             | all2 wrote:
             | The topical subscription is pretty cool. I'm sure I could
             | hack together some kludge (like Google News filters or
             | something), but if this app's implementation is easy, I'd
             | pay for that.
        
         | nonethewiser wrote:
         | This seems like a great idea.
        
       | billbrown wrote:
       | I have a need for this and basically use Pinboard and Notational
       | Velocity to satisfy it. For me to switch to your product, which
       | looks nice and well conceived by the way, I would have to see the
       | time investment and value as worthwhile.
       | 
       | Maybe it's having been burned too often by services that I pay
       | for but still fail, but I'd only make the effort if it was
       | independent of your continued operation as a business. If it were
       | all local to my computer or phone and relied on a cloud storage
       | service like iCloud or Dropbox, then I'd give it a whirl.
       | 
       | Sorry, but that's a possible hurdle you're facing if my
       | hesitation is common.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | If you could export all your data to markdown files would that
         | ease your hesitation?
        
           | billbrown wrote:
           | I appreciate any kind of export into plaintext, yes.
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | This is cool, but my browser already has a bookmarks manager
       | which does pretty much the same thing. I'm not going to sign up
       | for a new service for that functionality.
        
       | ohbleek wrote:
       | This could solve a problem I've been stuck on for a long time. I
       | read so many interesting things and I make useful connections
       | between topics and concepts, but I don't revisit it later and
       | forget much of what I have learned. I've experimented with
       | journaling about all of the things I've learned and read in a day
       | but it ends up being a chore. Maybe this would prove useful to
       | help me literally "recall" what I've learned.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Hope it can solve your problem. Please send me feedback on your
         | experience.
        
       | keithah wrote:
       | This seems very similar to Sofa which I've been using for years:
       | https://www.sofahq.com
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Ah this sofa looks cool. Hadn't seen it before. Recall is
         | similar but for all your content, not just media.
        
       | causality0 wrote:
       | Thought about pivoting slightly to the left and adding a "content
       | alert" feature? I could keep track of my interests in a hundred
       | different ways, but what I can't do is _keep up_ with them
       | without being inundated with irrelevant information. For example,
       | I want an alert when the bands I like release a new album. Not
       | when they go on tour, not when they have a guest drummer, not any
       | of the hundreds of bullshit  "fan engagement" emails or social
       | media alerts. Just content. Same for authors, directors, artists,
       | etc. You build _that_ system and I 'd pay a subscription to use
       | it.
        
         | paulrchds wrote:
         | Yeah, this was a feature I am working on. It shows it on the
         | site. Have a look by "Stay informed - Subscribe to news about
         | the specific things that interest you always keeping you in the
         | know."
        
           | causality0 wrote:
           | It sounds like that's not filtering out the non-content,
           | though. If I just wanted news about my interests I'd use a
           | Google alert.
        
       | zython wrote:
       | I'll save this for later.
        
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