[HN Gopher] My First Piano
       ___________________________________________________________________
        
       My First Piano
        
       Author : jbd
       Score  : 42 points
       Date   : 2022-11-01 20:16 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.jeromeleroy.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.jeromeleroy.com)
        
       | bombolo wrote:
       | > my parents displayed a bunch of trinkets, including a 19th-
       | century clock made entirely out of metal which vibrated
       | 
       | I bet it was the mother...
        
       | geff82 wrote:
       | Oh dear, that story, except the abuse, could be me. I bought a
       | Bechstein upright last year, an R124 with S/N 215798. The R (for
       | Residence) and A models differ a bit. R is more refined, and the
       | differences between individual pianos are much less than in the A
       | series. You can buy an R blind, but should never do so with an A.
       | That said, just like the OP, I had great As at the Bechstein
       | center. Buying this piano was a deep experience. It's a nerdy
       | thing, too. Because you have to deep dive into why some pianos
       | cost 4000 and others cost 40000. And it was deep in an emotional
       | way. Deciding to sink the cost of a car in something... so
       | emotional... not necessary to survive... is an act of love.
       | 
       | Bechstein itself is to be loved, too. While their pianos are
       | super premium just as those from Steinway, they also produce the
       | Hoffmann-brand on their own, which is much more affordable. In
       | contrast, Steinway more or less sells rebranded pianos from Asia
       | as their lower brands.
       | 
       | For those not into pianos: Steinway and Bechstein are premium
       | manufacturers from Germany, like BMW and Mercedes. (Fazioli would
       | be the Rolls Royce then).
        
         | reikonomusha wrote:
         | Steinway also makes pianos in the USA, with a slightly
         | different design than their Hamburg-built ones.
         | 
         | I personally find them to be over-priced (since they have a
         | stage monopoly), and lacking the quality control that Bechstein
         | or Fazioli have.
        
           | Cupertino95014 wrote:
           | I had a conversation with a prof from University of the
           | Pacific (which is in Stockton, go figure) who was in charge
           | of their piano program. He strongly contested the "new
           | Steinways are shit" trope, after playing a whole lot of them
           | and buying them for his students.
           | 
           | There's actually a book I read about the _making_ of one
           | particular Steinway concert grand, which is now retired after
           | an illustrious career on stage at Carnegie Hall and other big
           | places. I think this is it: https://www.amazon.com/88-Keys-
           | Making-Steinway-Piano/dp/0517...
           | 
           | (reviews are a little mixed, so read those before you buy
           | it.)
        
           | geff82 wrote:
           | You are of course 100% right. That said, the New York
           | Steinway factory mainly builds for the American continent.
           | Where I live, Steinways come from Hamburg, Germany.
        
       | zwieback wrote:
       | Nice story, he looks proud and a little scared in the final
       | picture, probably some interesting times ahead.
       | 
       | My uncle had a Bechstein concert grand. When he passed away the
       | family expected it would fetch a nice sum but were told that it
       | was cracked and worth just enough to pay for disposal fee. Sad!
        
       | AlbertCory wrote:
       | I took lessons from someone who had TWO grand pianos, a Steinway
       | and a Bechstein. They sold their house, and I became the
       | custodian of the Bechstein on indefinite consignment. It had a
       | cracked sound board, but she was sure that collectors would
       | overlook that and be willing to pay at least $20K, given the
       | illustrious name.
       | 
       | Finally a technician came and examined it, and offered $2K, which
       | he said was mostly charity. Eventually I was getting my floors
       | refinished and the piano had to go, and her daughter took it.
       | 
       | The only pianos that definitely fetch a lot are Steinway grands,
       | and maybe a few smaller brands like Bosendorfer. Full uprights?
       | Maybe a little. Spinets? Forget it.
        
         | reikonomusha wrote:
         | Bechstein, Bosendorfer, Bluthner, Fazioli, Steinway, Shigeru
         | Kawai, (golden era) Baldwin all fetch good prices for a piano
         | that's in good musical condition.
        
           | kawera wrote:
           | Pleyel too.
        
         | zwieback wrote:
         | Wow, 4 comments on this post and two are about cracked
         | Bechstein soundboards!
        
           | geff82 wrote:
           | This can happen on all pianos. Do not forget that having ,,a
           | Steinway" or a ,,Bechstein" for many people means that the
           | piano is 100 years old (I think of my neighbor's 100 year old
           | Steinway with a cracked soundboard, too). In so many years, a
           | lot can happen. And in 100 years, the piano will sure not
           | have been kept in perfect environmental conditions (which is
           | a difficult topic for piano owners).
        
           | reikonomusha wrote:
           | This is rarely a defect of the piano as built, and more that
           | people don't realize that pianos NEED an environment with a
           | stable humidity of about 45% year-round. If humidity changes
           | drastically, the wood will crack and the piano action will
           | suffer.
           | 
           | You can either install a humidity control system (known as
           | "Dampp-Chaser systems") onto the piano itself, or invest in
           | whole-home humidity control. The latter is always preferable
           | when possible.
           | 
           | If you don't do either of these, the piano--even the $250,000
           | ones--will fall apart over the course of a decade or two.
           | Almost all used pianos held onto by people who don't play
           | (e.g., the piano is furniture) almost always are busted.
        
         | bluGill wrote:
         | A grand piano can be rebuilt, for $20000 investment that
         | bechstien could have been like new again. This is a great deal
         | if you have room for a large grand as most places (not people)
         | buying grand pianos want new even though a rebuilt used is just
         | as good.
        
           | reikonomusha wrote:
           | Rebuilding can be a great option, but you really don't know
           | what you're going to get on the other end. Pianos definitely
           | have "personalities", that is, quirks, unique
           | characteristics, etc. You may get a "like new" piano, but it
           | also may not be all that nice sounding.
           | 
           | Even 5 brand new pianos, same size, same manufacturer, same
           | production year will sound different to a pianist's ears.
           | Some will be warmer, others brighter; some sensitive, some
           | temperamental; some duller, others sparklier; etc. Many of
           | these qualities can be adjusted a bit through a process
           | called "voicing" and "regulation", but general wisdom among
           | piano technicians is to _not_ try to push a piano too far
           | away from its  "natural" timbre.
           | 
           | Rebuilding with a new soundboard would be a huge job.
           | Depending on where OP lives and just how much work the
           | rebuild entails, it could be closer to $40k.
        
             | Cupertino95014 wrote:
             | Yeah, I don't think most people are up for that, as
             | evidenced by the lack of interest I got. I had a piano tech
             | from San Francisco, and he was not encouraging about it.
        
       | barkingcat wrote:
       | Great journey.
        
       ___________________________________________________________________
       (page generated 2022-11-01 23:00 UTC)