[HN Gopher] Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture
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       Cree releases LEDs designed for horticulture
        
       Author : milleramp
       Score  : 69 points
       Date   : 2022-11-02 20:08 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (cree-led.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (cree-led.com)
        
       | foobarian wrote:
       | Iirc chlorophyll has 2 very distinct absorption peaks [1] so it
       | should be possible to design lights that target those
       | frequencies. But knowing how LEDs work and the hacks with
       | wavelength adjustment we use with phosphorus and others I'm sure
       | it's not easy.
       | 
       | [1]
       | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Chloroph...
        
         | tiagod wrote:
         | Cree acknowledges this in the link, listing "Reduce complicated
         | spectral analysis" as a feature, implying its just an easier
         | way to achieve what is already done with multiple LEDs working
         | together.
        
         | kylehotchkiss wrote:
         | Does each plant have it's own sweet spot of color balance?
        
         | mytailorisrich wrote:
         | I mix 6000K/6500K (daylight) LED strips with 2700K (warm white)
         | ones and plants seem very happy about it and it is OK for
         | humans, too.
         | 
         | In fact I previously used only 6000K LED strips (in an
         | insulated box so no other light at all) on cycad and other
         | seeds and got very healthy plants.
         | 
         | I think the key for commercial applications like vertical farms
         | is to optimise energy use by trying not to waste electricity on
         | wavelengths that won't do much to boost production.
        
       | FounderBurr wrote:
       | Cree has to be one of the most abused brand names in the history
       | of commerce.
       | 
       | I'd love to find out how they manage that and stay on top.
        
       | etrautmann wrote:
       | PPF = Photosynthetic Photon Flux, in case you're curious like I
       | was.
        
       | swayvil wrote:
       | I bought some grow lights last year. Monios. Lightweight. Hang 4'
       | strip on string. Miracle of economic design. A finely tuned
       | spectrum. Blazing fuchsia. Like aliens are landing. Plants like
       | em.
        
         | agentwiggles wrote:
         | Those are remarkably inexpensive!
        
       | jjeaff wrote:
       | I think it is a pretty cool fact that because of the ability to
       | use LED lights in this manner where they emit only the ranges of
       | light wavelengths that are beneficial to plants, you can actually
       | capture sunlight with solar panels. Convert that light to
       | electricity. Then re-emit that electricity as light through these
       | narrow range LEDs as well as store it and emit it over longer
       | periods of time. You actually end up with more plant growth than
       | would be possible if the plants were directly in the sun.
        
       | ninefathom wrote:
       | Three words:
       | 
       | About. F*king. Time.
       | 
       | Anybody in horticulture or botany knows what a BFD this is.
       | Anybody else... it's major.
       | 
       | Those of you wondering about the green spectrum, try running a
       | commercial greenhouse with fuchsia-tinted lighting. You'll have a
       | paradise of lush, happy plants that never go anywhere (i.e. they
       | won't sell).
        
         | tpmx wrote:
         | So what kind of cannabis do you grow? :-)
        
           | h2odragon wrote:
           | cannabis is _fine_ with purple light. My begonias, however,
           | which are supposed to have a bright multicolored foliage as
           | their main feature, come out looking about as impressive as
           | cabbage under purple lights. with a bit of extra  "warm
           | white" light they become colorful again.
           | 
           | "peak efficiency" is fine but the rest of what the plant is
           | doing counts too and those less efficient processes may have
           | benefits in the final product.
        
         | Zak wrote:
         | Cree, Nichia, Osram, and Samsung were already selling
         | horticulture-optimized white LEDs. What seems to be new here is
         | a choice between three options for blue/green ratio.
        
         | JohnJamesRambo wrote:
         | Haha why don't they sell?
        
           | ninefathom wrote:
           | Because humans are visual creatures, and we like our plant
           | leaves green, and our flowers bright.
           | 
           | Rephrased, just like in cooking, presentation is very
           | important in commercial agriculture and horticulture, too.
           | People hesitate to buy things that don't look like they
           | expect.
           | 
           | Nothing Cree is doing here hasn't been done before in terms
           | of plant growth, but they've made it hella easier to have a
           | horticultural/agricultural LED installation that fits
           | seamlessly into existing business processes with minimal
           | headache.
        
       | lloydatkinson wrote:
       | I wonder if we can get our hands on this, as hobbyists and not a
       | giant factory.
        
         | dwater wrote:
         | Cree is a part supplier to loads of manufacturers of commercial
         | products. You can add Cree as a search term when looking for
         | high quality LED lighting (and you'll get lots of knockoffs
         | depending on where you're looking).
        
         | genmud wrote:
         | Digi-Key stocks CREE stuff, looks like they even have this
         | product [1]. Obviously you need to roll your own board, or hand
         | solder/wire them but that wouldn't be too difficult.
         | 
         | 1 - https://www.digikey.com/short/97452z74
        
         | nathanvanfleet wrote:
         | Try Amazon
        
       | rgmerk wrote:
       | While these might be new to Cree's offerings, LED grow lights
       | have been widely available for a few years now.
       | 
       | They're even used in "vertical farms" to grow herbs (other than
       | cannabis) hydroponically indoors, exclusively in artificial
       | light, with very little human intervention:
       | 
       | https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/10/ocado-inves...
       | 
       | Pick the sci-fi scenario of choice here, the tech exists and is
       | economically viable, at least for high value crops that place a
       | very high premium on freshness.
        
         | deltarholamda wrote:
         | They are new to Cree, who is a more mainstream manufacturer.
         | 
         | The growlights that power the vertical farms (which are, let's
         | be honest, mostly weed farms) come from vendors (e.g. Fluence)
         | that are more specialized, and therefore are fairly expensive.
         | About $1500 per 4x4 foot grow area, last prices I saw.
         | 
         | I dunno if this will ever be economically feasible outside of
         | high-value crops. A Spyder rig from Fluence draws about 630W.
         | But yep, it is at least a step forward, and way better than the
         | weird fluorescent/MH/HID options.
        
           | rgmerk wrote:
           | My point on the "sci-fi scenarios" was more for crewed
           | exploration and settlement of space in the medium and long
           | term future.
           | 
           | While there are plenty of other reasons to be skeptical about
           | that, the ability to supply them with some fresh food without
           | requiring magic biotechnology is certainly one barrier
           | crossed off the list.
        
           | zokier wrote:
           | I think you might be confusing lighting fixtures (what
           | fluence makes) vs actual leds (what cree does). I suspect
           | fluence is probably using osram leds for their products.
        
       | anarajpur524 wrote:
       | Please my account is hacked please my name is inayatkhan
        
       | Zak wrote:
       | The new development here seems to be that these are white LEDs
       | that can be specced in terms of blue/green ratio, rather than
       | metrics based around human vision (color temperature, tint, and
       | color rendering index).
       | 
       | Cree and other manufacturers have been offering horticulture-
       | specific LEDs for some time, both red/blue and red/blue-weighted
       | white like these. Here are some of their competitors:
       | 
       | Samsung:
       | https://www.samsung.com/led/lighting/applications/horticultu...
       | 
       | Osram: https://www.osram.com/os/applications/horticulture-
       | lighting/...
       | 
       | Nichia: https://led-
       | ld.nichia.co.jp/en/product/lighting_hortisolis.h...
        
       | homero wrote:
       | Enterprise grow lights
        
       | MrBuddyCasino wrote:
       | ,,By maximizing green content and minimizing red content versus
       | standard lighting LEDs, this LED color enables significant
       | enhancements to luminaire cost and performance."
       | 
       | I thought plants look green because thats what they reflect?
       | Meaning that the other wavelengths are absorbed for
       | photosynthesis.
        
         | genocidicbunny wrote:
         | Yeah that seems odd to me. Chlorophyll largely doesn't do
         | anything with 500-600nm wavelengths, and that's where this LED
         | outputs a lot of energy. If this was a bulb that could switch
         | between red and green that might be useful for dealing with
         | day/night cycles for plants, but this LED seems like it just
         | outputs more green light than normal?
        
           | scrumbledober wrote:
           | A graphic on the page notes that these are designed to be
           | used with red 660nm bulbs. A lot of current grow lights are
           | white, blue, and red bulbs. It seems these are aiming to
           | create the blend of blue and white so manufacturers can blend
           | them with red without worrying about the white/blue mix.
        
           | tiagod wrote:
           | Sensitivity of Seven Diverse Species to Blue and Green Light:
           | Interactions with Photon Flux https://journals.plos.org/ploso
           | ne/article?id=10.1371/journal...
           | 
           | >In contrast to the significant effects of blue light,
           | increasing green light in increments from 0 to 30% had a
           | relatively small effect on growth, leaf area and net
           | assimilation at either low or high PPF. Surprisingly, growth
           | of three of the seven species was not reduced by a treatment
           | with 93% green light compared to the broad spectrum
           | treatments.
           | 
           | Seems like green light is not useful for all cases, but I
           | would indeed like to know exactly why that's the case.
        
             | jakedata wrote:
             | It's possible that some green light improves aesthetics.
        
         | TD-Linux wrote:
         | The red content is intended to be supplied by a separate red
         | LED. A red LED produces red much more efficiently than the
         | phosphor on a white LED, so it saves power to leave red out
         | entirely if you know it will be paired with red.
        
         | reportingsjr wrote:
         | This web page claims that the different frequencies of
         | photosynthetically active light can cause different reactions
         | in plants: https://www.voltlighting.com/grow/best-light-
         | spectrum-plant-...
        
           | ninefathom wrote:
           | That, too. But it's also much easier to sell plants that look
           | the right color to people perusing them. Ever see a
           | commercial or resale garden center using fuchsia-tinted grow
           | lights? No? That's because they're out of business.
        
             | mediaman wrote:
             | The plants look terrible when the light is on, for sure.
             | 
             | But I know of plenty of commercial greenhouses that use
             | them prior to shipping to retail.
        
               | ninefathom wrote:
               | That's assuming a wholesaler business that ships to
               | retail. There are plenty of us out there who actually let
               | people - even commercial customers - into our greenhouses
               | in person. Until this development by Cree, all of our
               | viable options for LED lighting were huge pains in the
               | posterior (hence I'm still on fluorescent). This is much
               | much simpler, and will definitely accelerate my own
               | switch to LED.
               | 
               | In a way, you might say that until now, LED grow lighting
               | was only feasible on a very very large scale, or a very
               | small scale, and the medium-sized local nurseries and
               | greenhouses were just out of luck. Cree seems to have
               | changed that.
        
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