[HN Gopher] The Many Branches of the Fediverse
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       The Many Branches of the Fediverse
        
       Author : nafnlj
       Score  : 68 points
       Date   : 2022-11-04 19:39 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | skybrian wrote:
       | I wonder which of these are also RSS readers? That might be a
       | good combination.
        
         | remram wrote:
         | I would rather have my microblogging system look more like a
         | feed reader than the opposite. E.g. folders, search, notes, re-
         | export multiple curated feeds...
        
         | nafnlj wrote:
         | Hubzilla allows you to subscribe to feeds as "channels," but it
         | doesn't provide a great feed reader experience from my limited
         | use. I have only made accounts with Mastodon, Pixelfed, and
         | Hubzilla, so entirely possible that some of the others do
         | interesting things with feed subscriptions/reading.
        
           | aliqot wrote:
           | feed reader on Vivaldi is also pretty bad. Right off the top
           | of my head:
           | 
           | - no right click to adjust poll interval, default is every 5
           | minutes(!)
           | 
           | - no ability to re-poll a single feed
           | 
           | - no right click to edit interval, must use main app settings
           | 
           | - subscribe button doesn't allow interval settings
           | 
           | - no feed categories
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           | - no feed ordering
           | 
           | There's more but I feel like a jerk just going off about
           | something free that nobody asked me to try. I want to
           | investigate submitting a PR, but I am in limbo as I'm
           | precluding from consorting with G.
        
         | friend_and_foe wrote:
         | Most servers implementing ActivityPub also allow RSS/Atom
         | subscriptions.
        
       | serverholic wrote:
       | Honestly, after using mastodon I'm a bit more bearish on the
       | fediverse. It's too complex for your average user and there are
       | still significant centralization risks.
       | 
       | Sure anyone can host a server but obviously that's pretty
       | technical.
       | 
       | If you don't host your own server then you place a lot of trust
       | on whoever owns it. They own your data and they decide which
       | external servers to share data with. Want to add a video game
       | centric mastodon server to your feed? Well you better hope your
       | server decides to partner with that server.
       | 
       | Not to mention that servers cost money, so you have to be sure
       | that whoever is hosting it can continue to pay for it. Mastodon
       | the organization is a non profit. Do they have the funds to host
       | millions of people? Probably not. Which means people have to find
       | a smaller server and hope that it stays funded.
       | 
       | This makes choosing your mastodon server a pretty important
       | choice. Most people seem to be going for mastodon official
       | servers which is causing them to be overloaded.
        
         | feet wrote:
         | Most of us carry internet connected computers in our pockets
         | now. How difficult would it be to automate setting up a server
         | on android or iOS? Could someone just install an app and have a
         | server available?
        
           | csande17 wrote:
           | The main problem with this idea is battery life. Mobile
           | devices are designed to go to sleep really often to conserve
           | battery, and you can't do that if you're running a server.
           | iOS in particular heavily restricts when and how apps can do
           | stuff while the screen is locked.
        
       | caycep wrote:
       | How "fediverse-ey" was say, USENET, Napster or Bittorent back in
       | the day?
        
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         | haunter wrote:
         | >Bittorent back in the day
         | 
         | What do you mean by this? Torrent never went away, there are
         | countless high quality private trackers and even some really
         | good public ones
         | 
         | But considering piracy + fediverse then DC++ was the most
         | fediverse-y one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC%2B%2B You
         | could connect to any given X server where you could share your
         | local drive + chat with other users too. It's still really good
         | to find some extremely niche stuff but torrent basically "won"
         | because of the hash based seeding system (as in multiple user
         | can share and peer the same stuff). DC was just seeing others'
         | HDD and find whatever you can and directly download from there.
         | But you didn't know that Joe's "Movie2012x264.mp4" and Jim's
         | "Movie2012.mkv" are the same thing or different.
        
           | hauxir wrote:
           | it was like that in the beginning of dc++ but they later
           | introduced hashing which did infact figure out the
           | commonality between the two.
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | IRC was not even fediversed, it was independent fiefdoms, but
         | it was fun.
        
           | remram wrote:
           | For a little while it was an open federation of sort. The
           | problem is that it had a single namespace of user and channel
           | names, so misbehaving servers would cause chaos.
           | 
           | Wikipedia has a summary:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat#EFnet
        
         | nemo44x wrote:
         | Much of the pre-2k internet worked this way. Anyone remember
         | Hotline or Carracho and dyndns.org for redirecting your dynamic
         | IP to a hostname?
         | 
         | The reason that approach ultimately lost was because it was
         | federated and therefore Balkanized more or less. However, it
         | was probably a better UX in many ways than putting everyone
         | together in 1 room.
         | 
         | But it was limited and cells would divide and divide further
         | with no great way of interacting on common grounds topics.
         | 
         | Maybe this is the way forward but I doubt it. I think we'll see
         | better approaches at centralization because that's where the
         | money is. We just need a way to digitize the norms you'd see
         | from the same peoples interactions at a bar, church, DMV,
         | sports venue, work, with friends, etc.
        
       | friend_and_foe wrote:
       | Hubzilla notably is building the Zot protocol, IMO the coolest
       | and most underrated federating protocol put there.
        
       | csande17 wrote:
       | I was expecting this to be about the various Mastodon groups that
       | have all instance-banned each other, so you can't communicate
       | with everyone in the fediverse without making multiple accounts.
       | (IIRC there are at least 3: the American alt-right, the American
       | left/progressives/etc, and the Japanese instances where people
       | draw pictures that are illegal to possess in most other
       | countries.)
        
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