[HN Gopher] Up to 30% of online reviews are fake and consumers c...
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       Up to 30% of online reviews are fake and consumers can't tell the
       difference
        
       Author : elorant
       Score  : 80 points
       Date   : 2022-11-04 20:00 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | ravenstine wrote:
       | What I'm curious of is how reliably people can identify fake
       | reviews. Is it that ~30% of customers suck at distinguishing
       | them, or is it fuzzier than that and there's an overall 30%
       | chance the review you think is trustworthy actually isn't?
       | 
       | I've bought a _lot_ of stuff on Amazon, and while I do think
       | there 's tons of fake reviews and craptacular products for sale,
       | I've yet to come away with the same opinion of Amazon that many
       | people have here. That is, the idea that Amazon is basically an
       | unnavigable swamp of a marketplace. Somehow, I've avoided bad
       | products to such an extent that I can't name a bad purchase off
       | the top of my head. Ok, there was _one_ time I got an air filter
       | that was used and repackaged (eww!) but it wasn't obvious and
       | Amazon didn't know about it, and that's different than flimsy
       | Chinese goods with fake 5 star reviews. I feel like I can spot
       | fake reviews and other nonsense from a mile away, but I don't
       | know if that feeling is real or not.
        
       | regular wrote:
        
       | baxtr wrote:
       | Is there a browser plug-in which Scans reviews and then does some
       | AI magic to say if a review is fake or not?
        
       | prottog wrote:
       | Online reviews and rating systems do need an overhaul. I once
       | tried to leave a review of a poor experience I had while staying
       | at a short-term rental property, sticking to the facts with no
       | melodrama; and the platform rejected my review as being "against
       | policy". There's clearly no incentive at all for the platform to
       | accept anyone's poor review, since that would mean less business
       | for the platform.
       | 
       | Not to mention all the e-commerce reviews that are along the
       | lines of, "1-star: item was perfect and was everything I wanted
       | it to be but it arrived three days late" or "5-stars: item sucks
       | so bad that I returned it but the platform's return policy is
       | great".
        
         | tracker1 wrote:
         | I kind of wish Amazon would have three up/neutral/down vote
         | options... product, seller, amazon platform... so that they can
         | distinguish between customer service experience and the product
         | itself. Then aggregate the scoring into an overall review
         | experience.
         | 
         | Leaving descriptive reviews ranked by positive/negative on the
         | product itself. An leaning heavier on "insightful" feedback to
         | shape rankings a bit.
        
           | spacemadness wrote:
           | I think it's incredibly convenient for Amazon to wrap it up
           | in one score so it looks like the seller is at fault.
        
         | cutenewt wrote:
         | Netflix removed 5-star ratings a while back; they don't have
         | reviews either.
         | 
         | Seems like it hasn't impacted the user experience. Arguably
         | improved the experience.
         | 
         | Perhaps other sites like Amazon and AirBnb should remove
         | ratings and reviews too?
        
           | another_devy wrote:
           | In case of e-commerce reviews are crucial not sure of
           | ratings. If I'm buying an item and couple of reviews point
           | out something wrong in design or usage I avoid it. Without
           | reviews it's not possible
        
           | jokethrowaway wrote:
           | Don't you have access to everything on Netflix? It's a
           | different model
           | 
           | On other platforms you're spending time and money, on Netflix
           | only time.
        
           | marcosdumay wrote:
           | The user experience on Netflix is quite bad. Trying to deduce
           | things for a well optimized application from their example is
           | hopeless.
        
           | yakak wrote:
           | I was pretty disappointed with Netflix after they canceled
           | the star system. Before they cancelled it they could fit my
           | likes to other people with similar likes, after they
           | cancelled it they could insist their own content was good
           | enough for everyone.
        
           | superbaconman wrote:
           | Three star reviews feel more intuitive anyway: 1 bad 2
           | average 3 good.
           | 
           | But when it comes to product reviews, accounts of hardware
           | failures is super important imo.
        
       | insane_dreamer wrote:
       | Fake reviews are not the only problem. It's the fact that most
       | reviews are going to either be from someone who loved the product
       | enough to take the time to write about, or had such a bad
       | experience (which could be anything and maybe not related to the
       | problem) that they feel compelled to write about. So you wind up
       | with 5-stars and 1-stars and not much inbetween.
        
         | hcurtiss wrote:
         | It seems like this is a thesis that could be tested
         | empirically. It makes intuitive sense to me, but if I'm honest,
         | that kind of inverted bell is not what I actually see very
         | often on Amazon.
        
           | insane_dreamer wrote:
           | I have not done any systematic check, but I often see this
           | type of inverted curve in product reviews. -- Though either
           | the 5-star side or the 1-star side will be significantly
           | higher than the other.
        
           | r00fus wrote:
           | Amazon has a lot of paid-for reviews, so you would likely see
           | it if you remove the paid entries.
           | 
           | In some cases on very bad products, you see tons of 5 star
           | reviews and a lot of 1 star reviews - and if it's high on the
           | fakespot list, I can only conclude it's a bad product.
           | 
           | I've mostly given up on Amazon except where I can't find the
           | product elsewhere (or on time).
        
             | tracker1 wrote:
             | I still use amazon a lot.. but not always reviews... often
             | I know the product I'm looking for. I'll also tend to look
             | at the negative reviews.. are the reviewers just not
             | knowledgeable about what they bought, broke in shipping, or
             | actually a bad product/seller. It will vary a bit. What
             | sucks, is competitors will pay for bad reviews too.
        
         | taeric wrote:
         | I'd go farther with this thought experiment. As long as the
         | reviews are done by consumers that are not trained or practiced
         | at the art of reviewing, you will expect a lot of "worked for
         | me" and "I paid enough that I am compelled to like this" style
         | reviews. It is literally the idea behind luxury pricing.
         | 
         | Turns out, objective reviewing of items is difficult. And will
         | almost certainly lead to a gaming of the reviews if the
         | companies are able to do so.
        
         | tracker1 wrote:
         | I'm more inclined to review if it's a technical product and
         | there aren't already (many) quality reviews, good or bad. It's
         | really hard picking certain items from the pack, and sometimes
         | unless you already know, you have no idea.
        
       | jraby3 wrote:
       | Do fakespot and similar services work?
        
         | Someone1234 wrote:
         | Fakespot does its best, but Amazon and similar don't expose
         | very much information to determine if a review is fake (be it
         | manual review OR via a service like Fakespot).
         | 
         | Plus there are two kinds of "fake reviews": Automated reviews
         | ("spam"), and then reviewers who got free samples/paid. The
         | second is almost impossible to detect as real people are really
         | writing the reviews (and even calling them "fake" is hard
         | because the person may still give an honest review sometimes).
         | 
         | You can sometimes spot fake reviews, but that is just due to
         | laziness, if they're trying even a little bit it could be very
         | hard to spot in particularly at volume. I will say one good
         | trick is to read "new" reviews rather than most helpful/liked,
         | since they game those too.
        
       | insane_dreamer wrote:
       | I'd like to think I'm pretty good at spotting which reviews are
       | fake, but I'd love to do a test to find out if the ones I thought
       | were real were actually fake.
       | 
       | It won't be long before someone writes a GPT-3 model that can
       | write hundreds of different reviews indistinguishable from real
       | ones, and that sound and look different from each other, based on
       | a product description and images.
        
       | rdtwo wrote:
       | Only 30%. No way like 90%
        
         | yamtaddle wrote:
         | 30% are fake and fool shoppers.
         | 
         | 60% are fake but don't fool shoppers.
         | 
         | 9% are fake but so good they fooled the researchers, too.
        
           | smittywerben wrote:
           | The 5% that fool themselves: '1/5 stars - This stupid modem
           | doesn't have wifi. The $20 a month modem from Comcast has
           | wifi.'
        
       | seydor wrote:
       | You can find a review to confirm your biases every time. In the
       | end , everything is a hunch
        
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       | dam_broke_it wrote:
       | Always go by the 1 or 2 star reviews.....
        
         | acchow wrote:
         | Isn't that attack spam from competitors?
        
         | spamizbad wrote:
         | In my experience its always best to leave negative reviews in 3
         | star reviews. 1 star reviews get buried/removed, but if you let
         | that criticism sneak into a 3-star review it's likely not bad
         | enough for the platform to notice.
        
         | unity1001 wrote:
         | You'd end up not being able to buy anything...
        
         | mikestew wrote:
         | 2 and 3 star reviews. 1 star reviews, in my observation, are
         | consistently along the lines of "UPS left the package in the
         | rain! 1 star!", which has fuck all to do with the product.
        
           | Toutouxc wrote:
           | Also people who don't seem to understand how the product,
           | their life and the universe in general work. The "can't make
           | coffee from cat litter, blames Obama in all seriousness, two
           | typos per word" kind. I always wonder how these people look
           | in real life and if I meet some of them on the street.
        
             | nebula8804 wrote:
             | Its the outcome of gutting the educational system, poor
             | methods of teaching (instead of teaching critical thinking
             | they teach how to take the test), and just the fact that in
             | a country of ~332 Million the bottom 20% could be like 67
             | million people(the bottom 20% is not a direct correlation
             | but still you get the point).
        
           | VancouverMan wrote:
           | Such things are still part of the overall purchasing
           | experience, though. If I'm about to order a product online
           | and for whatever reason there may be delivery-related
           | challenges involved that others have experienced, I'd
           | certainly like to know beforehand.
        
             | regular wrote:
        
       | egberts1 wrote:
       | I grilled a red lobster complete with scallop, pearl onions, and
       | capers and then simmered it in a butter dish for an hour.
       | 
       | It was so delicious.
       | 
       | (Hey, I am not a bot, these are my current experience of what I
       | am actually reading on Amazon reviews).
       | 
       | More funny Amazon reviews that I found:
       | https://eliteseller.com/blog/funny-amazon-reviews/
        
       | OJFord wrote:
       | I've had two fairly detailed, not low-effort, reviews _not_
       | approved for publication on Amazon.co.uk recently. After the
       | first I swore I 'd never bother again (it was pretty _high_
       | -effort to be honest, relatively) but something got the better of
       | me.
       | 
       | Neither time has there been any indication of what the problem is
       | (I guessed the first one was my reference to a 'knob', as in for
       | turning, which the product had - but couldn't find any such
       | similar Scunthorpe in the second) and even if they did give you
       | some idea, they invite you to _start again from scratch_ - not
       | edit it, it 's not saved, not even your photos. I'd love to see
       | click-through metrics on that, does _anyone_ bother?
        
         | heavyset_go wrote:
         | Amazon banned me from leaving reviews entirely after I left a
         | couple of negative reviews for products I bought.
        
         | jersak wrote:
         | I had the same experience. Id say they just don't approve most
         | of the reviews. I would think most (real) people only leave a
         | good review when things go EXTREMELY WELL. Not the same for bad
         | reviews though, which means real people will more often than
         | not leave reviews pointing problems and shortcomings than
         | praising a product. That, at least in my head, would result in
         | less sales and so making the review workflow painful for the
         | user is by design.
        
           | sokoloff wrote:
           | I just checked on my account and I have 126 published reviews
           | on Amazon. I can recall around 10 that were denied, about
           | half of which seemed "OK, that's fair in retrospect" and a
           | modest edit and resubmit got them published. The other half
           | of the denies I couldn't really figure out and just ignored
           | (some of which were solid product, 4 or 5 star reviews).
           | 
           | I have several 1-star reviews among the published.
        
       | Scoundreller wrote:
       | Only 30%????
        
       | lapcat wrote:
       | As an App Store developer, it's painfully obvious that _at least
       | 30%_ of App Store reviews are fake.
        
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       | throwawaysleep wrote:
       | Lots of reviews are paid. I get half my electronics refunded by
       | leaving 5 star reviews on Amazon that sellers have asked for in
       | the packages.
        
         | ravenstine wrote:
         | How does this kind of transaction take place? I've bought
         | plenty of things on Amazon that I've left 5 star reviews for,
         | including electronics, but haven't once been approached with
         | refunds or incentives.
        
           | laweijfmvo wrote:
           | I've often received little cards in my orders asking for a
           | screenshot of a 5-star review in exchange for a 90% off
           | coupon for my next purchase, or something like that.
        
             | ravenstine wrote:
             | Come to think of it, I believe I've had such material come
             | with some of my purchases but I've ignored them because I'm
             | so advertising-averse. I'll have to pay attention for these
             | next time. haha Though I still won't leave a 5 star review
             | if I don't genuinely think the product is worth that.
        
       | SoftTalker wrote:
       | I assume all online reviews are faked or at least biased. I don't
       | believe any of them, especially those that appear on the same
       | site or include affiliate links to the product being sold.
        
         | nomel wrote:
         | I tend to believe the review distribution. For a reasonable
         | product, they're usually normal distributions. For a bad
         | product, they're almost always bimodal.
        
       | another_devy wrote:
       | Lower ratings most of the times are honest reviews and if seller
       | replies to them you can see how much they care about the customer
       | and if they are being honest business
        
       | eatsyourtacos wrote:
       | How do fake reviews on something like Amazon work? Wouldn't they
       | only allow you to leave a review if you have purchased the item?
       | 
       | I get that for a cheap product a seller could have a bunch of
       | dummies buy it and then leave reviews, but that... doesn't seem
       | very viable for most things.
       | 
       | Or are normal people getting paid to leave high reviews for
       | something they bought and would not normally review?
        
         | baxtr wrote:
         | Easy. Check out some telegram channels. There, people get
         | offers for specific products. You order them, write a review,
         | send in a proof and then get reimbursed for the item. So you
         | can keep items for free. In some cases you even get some extra
         | money on top.
        
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