[HN Gopher] World's largest exoskeleton mech suit inspires a new...
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       World's largest exoskeleton mech suit inspires a new sport
        
       Author : mardiyah
       Score  : 67 points
       Date   : 2022-11-05 16:16 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
       | Who wants mecha-racing? We _need_ mecha-fighting league, One Must
       | Fall 2097-style [0], or Robot Jox [1] style!
       | 
       | [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Must_Fall:_2097
       | 
       | [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Jox
        
         | orzig wrote:
         | I've got you: https://youtube.com/c/megabotsinc
         | 
         | They only did one real fight, but still 190k followers
        
       | bilsbie wrote:
       | What's holding us back on exo skeletons anyway? The idea shave
       | been around for decades?
       | 
       | I'd guess power sources? Small enough actuators? Or is it just
       | really difficult for a human to control?
        
         | njharman wrote:
         | Mainly what does having an expensive, fragile human who
         | requires tons of support (air, water, breaks) and legal
         | liability & regulation offer over a remote or now/soon
         | autonomous machine?
         | 
         | Answer, not enough to be profitable.
        
           | rpastuszak wrote:
           | I think that's a very good point. I agree that there's not
           | much market for it, but also that humans are completely
           | redundant here. Any huge mech would be easier to operate as a
           | drone than a huge human Tupperware.
        
         | modeless wrote:
         | You need a strong rigid cage to protect the operator, with
         | comfortable seating and controls, a large and heavy power
         | source, and something more practical than legs for movement.
         | Put all that together, and you essentially have an excavator.
         | 
         | Excavators can do amazing things in the hands of a skilled
         | operator. They have interchangeable tools and they come in a
         | wide range of sizes. Maybe the small ones feel more like
         | exoskeletons than the big ones. Some even have the operator in
         | a standing position. The smallest Bobcat (technically a
         | "loader" instead of an "excavator") is little more than a cage
         | with wheels and one big arm:
         | https://www.bobcat.com/na/en/equipment/loaders/skid-steer-lo...
         | 
         | I guess what you're really missing to make this feel like a
         | scifi exoskeleton is two arms, more degrees of freedom per arm,
         | a much more capable "hand", way more speed in all of the
         | actuators, and a more 1:1 control style. All of that would make
         | these things way more expensive and probably fragile, and maybe
         | it isn't worth the cost today, especially when considering
         | ongoing maintenance.
        
         | orbital-decay wrote:
         | In any industry, designing things for specialized tools
         | (cranes, forklifts) is typically much easier than designing a
         | universal tool to handle everything. (exoskeletons). They have
         | some niche uses like prolonged work with the arms raised,
         | though.
         | 
         | In military, passive exoskeletons are more useful than powered
         | ones. They are just fancy springs to rebalance and lighten the
         | load on soldiers.
         | 
         | For medical purposes, exoskeletons are used for thousands of
         | years. They are probably not what you'd call an exoskeleton,
         | though. A basic example is a splint.
        
         | MonkeyMalarky wrote:
         | Power to weight ratios?
        
           | dane-pgp wrote:
           | ^ This, particularly when viewed in terms of the square-cube
           | law.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law
        
         | sandworm101 wrote:
         | Lack of any real market for them. In any industrial
         | application, a human driving a forklift is way more efficient
         | than someone given superman strength via an exosuit. There are
         | some niche military applications such as rapidly loading a
         | truck by hand, piling sandbags and such. Replacement or
         | supplementing the function of damaged limbs is another niche,
         | but that isn't much of a market. Everyone wants one but nobody
         | expects to jog to work in one, as opposed to any number of
         | other vehicle options.
         | 
         | I read once about a Japanese exosuit powered by compressed air.
         | The market they were targeting was elder care. Using compressed
         | air meant you could assist/lift elderly people around water
         | without worry.
        
           | ShredKazoo wrote:
           | How about current wheelchair users who would like to go
           | hiking?
        
             | MichaelZuo wrote:
             | Most wheelchair users don't have the means to pay several
             | hundred grand for such a system, nor the expensive daily
             | maintenance it entails.
             | 
             | Maybe when it's mass produced in the millions like cars it
             | will be more affordable.
        
             | datameta wrote:
             | In fact there are a number of invisible disabilities that
             | take away a person's ability to hike. I was inspired to
             | start 3D-printing with the goal of developing a lower body
             | exoskeleton using "exotic" filaments that would make the
             | suit less bulky, more rugged, and longer lasting than the
             | admittedly amazing prototypes I've seen made of PLA.
        
           | Loquebantur wrote:
           | _Construction_ seems a good fit? Mining maybe, too.
        
             | TaylorAlexander wrote:
             | I think dexterity would be a problem for construction. Or
             | if you re-engineer the building to accommodate machines,
             | then you probably want more automation than a human in a
             | mech suit. Mining probably is all set with much larger
             | machines, though I know nothing about mining.
        
       | jollofricepeas wrote:
       | I wish him well, but..
       | 
       | The market for this is Japan.
       | 
       | If he can make it happen there, then exoskeleton sports can
       | potentially make it anywhere, no?
       | 
       | Who doesn't love a little lite mecha action.
        
       | jbverschoor wrote:
       | Mech warrior
        
       | walrus01 wrote:
       | When I saw "Canadian-born artist and..." I thought about the guy
       | who made a "bear proof" suit many years ago.
       | 
       | https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=troy+hurt...
        
       | myself248 wrote:
       | I had high hopes for Megabots, but it was pretty anticlimactic to
       | watch. There's potential here, but nobody's unlocked the formula
       | yet.
        
       | 0x08 wrote:
       | I wish TVP would have pointed out that he effectively build a
       | strandbeest that can be driven by a person inside the
       | strandbeest. still really cool. Normally these are self propelled
       | https://www.strandbeest.com/
        
       | dom96 wrote:
       | Off-topic but TIL that TVP (a polish TV network) has an
       | international news channel https://tvpworld.com/51656539/our-
       | stream
        
         | Kwpolska wrote:
         | (a Polish state-owned government propaganda broadcaster*)
        
           | baxtr wrote:
           | I am bit worried about Poland's push to restrict media. Isn't
           | that exactly what we're fighting for in Ukraine? A system
           | where many opinions can co-exist.
        
             | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
             | No. If it was, something would have been done about the
             | Crimea invasion. Ukraine is a proxy war to weaken a
             | problematic dictator.
        
       | solardev wrote:
       | Hmm, gotta say I was imagining some sort of exo-triathlon, not...
       | crab-walking? Spider-driving?
        
         | HankB99 wrote:
         | Competition will certainly deliver greater speed. I wonder
         | about a couple things.
         | 
         | 1) How do you define what is a mech? Would a mech with
         | something that rolls along the ground qualify? It seems like
         | that's the quickest/easiest way to gain speed.
         | 
         | 2) How can you protect the fans? A search of "monster truck
         | kills spectators" finds a lot of incidents. I didn;t count.
         | 
         | I suppose appropriate rules could solve either of these,
         | hopefully w/out bloodshed.
        
           | solardev wrote:
           | Nothing wrong with that they built. Seems like it'd be a cool
           | thing to bring to Burning Man. It just wouldn't quite qualify
           | as what I'd consider a "sport"... it's not much fun to watch
           | this thing lumbering around like a dying crustacean.
        
             | tanseydavid wrote:
             | NASCAR manages to pull in spectators though.
        
               | solardev wrote:
               | Now, if they combined the two... had this thing chasing
               | itty-bitty cars around a closed track, eating whatever it
               | catches... THAT, I'd pay money to watch.
        
               | sandworm101 wrote:
               | Been done. Truckasaurus was essentially a mech atop a
               | truck chassis and could pick up cars.
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1KsTWegnOs
        
               | solardev wrote:
               | Why can't every race be like this? NASCAR, Tour de
               | France, the Olympics... the sports world just generally
               | needs more fire-breathing mechs.
        
               | Maursault wrote:
               | Truckasaurus feels very badly about what happened.[1]
               | 
               | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP3mhnDlIkM
        
             | iancmceachern wrote:
             | There is a YouTube video from megaprojects about how mechs
             | are actually pretty bad war machines. I suspect it's
             | similar for sports.
             | 
             | A wheeled, tracked, or flying vehicle of similar size,
             | weight and cost is always superior. It's just a
             | fundamentally inefficient way to go about building and
             | locomoting a machine.
        
               | Aeolun wrote:
               | > It's just a fundamentally inefficient way to go about
               | building and locomoting a machine.
               | 
               | Since humans are built the way they are, this can't
               | actually be true right?
        
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