[HN Gopher] Swedish amateur archivist "Rosa Mannen" shut down fr...
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Swedish amateur archivist "Rosa Mannen" shut down from YouTube
again
Author : acadapter
Score : 101 points
Date : 2022-11-07 15:17 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (sweden.postsen.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (sweden.postsen.com)
| norenh wrote:
| This is very sad news for all Swedes. Here is an article in
| english: https://sweden.postsen.com/trends/49453/The-YouTube-
| channel-...
|
| And for Swedes you can watch a short interview with him on
| Swedish Televison in the first 8 minutes of this program:
| https://www.svtplay.se/video/33989650/sverige/sverige-sasong...
|
| The program above is from the last shutdown and the example given
| there about his most popular clip was a very old show of Bonnie
| Tyler. SVT, at the time, made the clip available officially via
| SVT Play again but has since disappeared from their service
| almost as a reminder that culture will disappear from the public
| unless enthusiast like Rosa Mannen can make them available
| somewhere.
| dmix wrote:
| The design of that https://www.svtplay.se/ site is nice. I like
| the page transition when you hit play.
| surfsvammel wrote:
| SVT is public service TV in Sweden. SvtPlay their online
| streaming service.
|
| Lots of opinions about SVT (as there should be, it's public!)
| but if you ask me, it's super high quality and it's something
| that I'm very proud of, as someone from Sweden.
| mongol wrote:
| I am of a different opinion. I agree that SVT Play is
| technically well built and the service is useful. Also,
| there are good programs to be found. But I think it could
| be much better. For example the DW Documentary channel,
| which can be found on Youtube, has better documentaries on
| average, than are broadcast on SVT. Also, I feel like SVT
| has an abnoxious tendency to lecture their audience. I
| don't feel I am treated as an adult, but I am told what to
| think.
| bjornsing wrote:
| Telling people what to think is what Sweden is all about.
| :)
| kramerger wrote:
| SVT Play is a gold mine of high quality content. The music
| documentaries they did with BBC were amazing.
|
| Happy to fund it with my tax money, independent public
| service is important, and honestly I'm using it more than
| Netflix and HBO and the rest.
| dalke wrote:
| That was freaky! I live in Trollhattan and did NOT expect to
| immediately recognize the background scene of a picture linked-to
| from HN.
|
| If I'm not mistaken, here's the bench -
| https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2749468,12.270221,3a,60y,141... .
|
| While it's right by the Olidan Hydroelectric Power Station, the
| photographer used a telephoto lens so Rosa Mannen is in the
| foreground and the upstream Hojum Hydroelectric Power Station is
| in the background. Here's a closer shot of Hojum:
|
| https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2789593,12.2774802,3a,75y,21...
| dang wrote:
| We have deep respect for other languages, but HN is an English-
| language site. If there's an article about this in English, we
| can change the URL.
|
| https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
| cridenour wrote:
| Here's an English one:
| https://sweden.postsen.com/trends/49453/The-YouTube-channel-...
| dang wrote:
| Changed from https://www.gp.se/kultur/kultur/youtubekanalen-
| rosa-mannen-n.... Thanks!
| nkurz wrote:
| Perhaps this rule should be added to
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Or is it
| already there and I missed it?
| zokier wrote:
| What do you think happens when you upload captured TV-content on
| YT?? From copyright point of view there is not really much
| difference between 20 day old content and 20 year old content,
| its all equally protected. Just saying that the intent is
| "archival" doesn't change anything
| mrweasel wrote:
| Sadly we have many hobbyist who do great work, but they are
| completely naive about the world. I'd hate to see the work go
| to waste. I think archiving these things are important, sadly
| people who work like this are making a ton of assumptions about
| how the world works and often completely ignore legal issues.
| It's often good that they do, if someone sat down and tried to
| handle the legality of the project first, then it would never
| get off the ground.
|
| Right now there's some hope that some Swedish organisation, The
| Internet Archive, maybe even YouTube, can step in and save the
| work. Then again there's a risk that no one can help.
|
| It is not much different that people building a community on
| Facebook, because it's easy, it gives them a ready made
| platform. An easy to use platform. Then they're surprised when
| Facebook close their account for violating a policy that was
| always there, but they never actually read Facebooks terms and
| condition (which I can understand).
|
| I'm sorry it happened to the guy, but you're right: "What did
| you think would happen?" The only surprise is that it didn't
| happen earlier.
| vesinisa wrote:
| Yup, YouTube is probably the worst platform for archival. But
| isn't The Pirate Bay actually a Swedish site?
| naasking wrote:
| > Just saying that the intent is "archival" doesn't change
| anything
|
| Well, it sort of does because copyright laws have carve outs
| for libraries and archiving.
| RajT88 wrote:
| Youtube is the wrong place for this sort of thing, unfortunately.
|
| Archive.org is the right place for it.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| Youtube banned the archivist Jeff Quitney a few years ago. This
| particularly stings because a lot of wikipedia articles still
| cite and link to videos he uploaded.
|
| You can find (most of?) his videos here now:
| https://archive.org/download/Jeff_Quitney_me
| vintermann wrote:
| There was a Danish church organist I came across on YouTube,
| who had worked his way through pretty much every Danish
| hymnal/school song book, and many Swedish and Norwegian ones
| too. He'd been at it for years. Then suddenly he was gone. I
| assume one too many of the songs he'd played must have had
| been too recent, and got copystriked.
|
| It's pretty sad that even marginal, plainly non-commercial
| work of an archival nature isn't left alone.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| > _I assume one too many of the songs he 'd played must
| have had been too recent, and got copystriked._
|
| I bet whatever songs got him banned were in the public
| domain, but ContentID thought it sounded too much like a
| copyrighted recording of the same song. This sort of thing
| happens all the time to musicians who upload themselves
| playing classical songs. It's infuriating.
| pannSun wrote:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/twitter.com/Tayl...
|
| https://web.archive.org/web/20220000000000*/amren.com
|
| _Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine._
|
| No reason or explanation given, or hint at who excluded it.
| no-dr-onboard wrote:
| For those of us at home, Taylor Lorenz is the niece of Roger
| Macdonald, creator of The Internet Archive's "Television
| Archive".
| RajT88 wrote:
| To be clear: I'm not suggesting he archive a youtube video
| using the Wayback machine. (Does this even work?)
|
| I am suggesting he upload the files directly.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup
|
| https://github.com/etnguyen03/docker-tubeup
| kkfx wrote:
| A personal archive is a right place, with some file-sharing
| service to share...
| zokier wrote:
| archive.org is good for public domain content, which this
| clearly is not. The right place for this would be offline tape
| archive.
| Asparagirl wrote:
| The IA hosts lots of non-public-domain videos, including
| loads of rare ripped-from-VCR material. Copyright status
| rarely is an issue unless a copyright holder finds a specific
| video and makes an explicit DMCA claim against it.
|
| And even then, nothing is ever really deleted, just non-
| visible, for now...
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| You would think youtube would be fine with public domain
| content too. But this is not necessarily the case. Besides
| copyright strikes, youtube will also take videos down because
| they contain controversial content that advertisers don't
| like. They don't evaluate videos in the context of the video
| being old archived content representing old values from a
| different era.
|
| Particularly, I believe Jeff Quitney's channel (which was
| mostly old aerospace videos made by the US government, but
| was generally for whatever old film he got his hands on) got
| banned because some of the videos were old political
| propaganda which expressed views which are now verboten.
| [deleted]
| olodus wrote:
| True. That or something like a Peertube instance.
| Buxato wrote:
| Or Odysee
| aliqot wrote:
| Just found this site not long ago. I like the old youtube
| feel with new interface.
| RajT88 wrote:
| The content skews a little more fringey though. But
| otherwise agree.
| sschueller wrote:
| Archive.org should operate a peertube instance.
| vanderZwan wrote:
| Or even better: "that and". No reason to put all eggs in one
| basket, no? Especially when copying virtual eggs is so easy.
| [deleted]
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| History is copyrighted.
|
| Sorry.
| punchclockhero wrote:
| Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while. Used to download
| his music video rips off thepiratebay.
|
| Much respect to media hoarders of all creeds.
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