[HN Gopher] Bitcoin falls under $16,000
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       Bitcoin falls under $16,000
        
       Author : mfiguiere
       Score  : 63 points
       Date   : 2022-11-09 22:20 UTC (40 minutes ago)
        
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       | bpodgursky wrote:
       | Having bought Eth at I dunno, $150, it's funny watching people
       | panic or gloat about price swings from $1k, or $2k, or $7k.
       | 
       | Whatever, maybe I'll be wiped out tomorrow. Or maybe it'll be
       | $10k in a year or two. Let's ride it and see.
        
         | telesilla wrote:
         | I joke that I'll sell my ETH when it's worth half a million
         | USD. It was an insignificant investment at the time and it's
         | fun just going for the ride.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | spamizbad wrote:
         | Tons of people got into Bitcoin when it was over 20K. That's
         | part of what pushed it so high last year.
        
       | pessimizer wrote:
       | Bitcoin down 77% in a year.
        
         | gordon_freeman wrote:
         | performing neck-and-neck in going downhill as Meta stock. ;)
        
           | lostlogin wrote:
           | Can bitcoin sack staff?
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | With every bubble pop, exchange insolvency, token scam, crypto
       | startup bankruptcy, we are getting closer and closer to the
       | "real" value of bitcoin. Still ways to go I predict. However, I
       | also do think that value is comfortably > 0.
        
         | Gigachad wrote:
         | For actual use of Bitcoin I don't think the value even matters.
         | You buy it, transact it, and the seller sells it immediately.
         | It doesn't matter what the value was as long as it doesn't
         | change in between this process.
         | 
         | In my perspective the only real use of bitcoin is transferring
         | money where you can't use traditional payment providers.
        
       | WoahNoun wrote:
       | :tada: emoji
        
       | bogota wrote:
       | Im sure this will lead to great discussion
        
         | TechBro8615 wrote:
         | On the rare occasion when I meet a girl and she says "you must
         | have been really early into Bitcoin," it's the look of
         | disappointment on her face that motivates me to post derisively
         | about cryptocurrency every chance I get!
        
           | bogota wrote:
           | Well at least we are being honest now haha
        
       | rouxz wrote:
       | How long until ASIC mining to become unprofitable?
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | Mining will never really be unprofitable, because the size of
         | the pool will just regulate itself as needed.
        
           | Gigachad wrote:
           | Meaning the drop in value is a massive benefit to the planet
           | as miners shut their setups down.
        
           | poulpy123 wrote:
           | Ah yes the magic invisible hand of the market
        
         | bogota wrote:
         | Pretty hard to say since it depends on the price you pay for
         | electricity. But you can just watch the difficulty adjusting to
         | see when people have started to turn off miners
        
       | SevenNation wrote:
       | For those who may be new to this, what's happening now is the
       | final act of the Bitcoin Cycle.
       | 
       | The Cycle starts with nobody giving Bitcoin a second thought.
       | It's deader than a doornail. Yesterday's news. That is, if
       | anybody even remembers it. Winter.
       | 
       | Spring comes in the form of inexplicably rising exchange rate.
       | Few are paying attention because... Bitcoin is dead. There have
       | been rallies in the past, all failed. Too many failed rallies to
       | even count. So many hopes dashed. So many families broken. So
       | many lives warped beyond recognition.
       | 
       | Summer arrives with an out-of-the blue shot at making a new all
       | time high against the dollar. Will it or won't it? The excitement
       | drives the materialization of a new generation of promoters.
       | Those who have "done the math" and now believe in Bitcoin. People
       | who will tell you to mortgage your house, sell your car, and
       | borrow against your retirement because it's "going up forever."
       | 
       | The popular press starts to smell the sweet scent of clicks and
       | gets busy.
       | 
       | In late summer, problems with "custodians" begin. First with a
       | trickle of instability at an obvious scam. Maybe an exchange.
       | Maybe a yield farm. Maybe an admitted Ponzi.
       | 
       | Before long two, three, four of these custodians are tits up in a
       | pool of blood. "Victims" can't believe their misfortune! They
       | were lied to!
       | 
       | Influencer after influencer comes out of the woodwork to assure
       | followers that capitulation has happened. The exchange rate has
       | stabilized around a nice round number $10. $1000. $10000. $20000.
       | Further declines are not in the cards. Fortune favors the bold!
       | 
       | This goes on for some time, each episode tearing the exchange
       | rate to a lower level. It's Fall.
       | 
       | Eventually, the influencers move on to other audiences. Nobody
       | ever admits what a complete fool they have been. They just...
       | disappear.
       | 
       | Winter comes and the only ones left are the ones who warned the
       | Johnny-come-latelies that this is blood sport, that they are ill-
       | suited for the risks their taking on, and for the love of God,
       | get your damned money off of exchanges.
        
       | kjoedion wrote:
        
       | loandbehold wrote:
       | I thought it was a good asset to own in case of recession?
        
         | jancsika wrote:
         | Then what better time to buy a recession-proof asset?
         | 
         | (Did I gambler's fallacy correctly?)
        
         | agumonkey wrote:
         | Are we in a recession ?
        
           | piva00 wrote:
           | We are, a recession is usually called in retrospect after
           | some quarters, we are definitely in the beginning of a
           | recession.
        
             | ceejayoz wrote:
             | GDP was up last quarter. Probably this upcoming one, too.
             | If there's a recession coming, we aren't in it yet.
        
         | ceejayoz wrote:
         | It turns out that chanting "this is good for Bitcoin" doesn't
         | actually make that true.
        
         | andreygrehov wrote:
         | These are expected historical falls - https://ibb.co/TWyTDh5
        
           | 988747 wrote:
           | This graph only looks good because of logarithmic scale use.
           | This is how it looks like to normal people:
           | 
           | https://www.coindesk.com/embedded-chart/QMQGWJngBbWTR
        
             | MarkPNeyer wrote:
             | Why would you use anything but a logarithmic scale to
             | understand an asset over long periods of time?
        
               | ceejayoz wrote:
               | Because "lost nearly 80% YOY" shows up better this way.
        
         | yrgulation wrote:
         | A store of value i was told. Because see, unlike money, bitcoin
         | has value i was told.
        
         | bloodyplonker22 wrote:
         | This is the sales pitch for Bitcoin, and it does have some
         | merits if you consider the "digital gold" argument. However, as
         | it turns out, too many people got on the boat and started
         | thinking that bitcoin would make them "rich". They flooded the
         | market and Bitcoin transformed into a completely speculative
         | asset instead.
        
       | elorant wrote:
       | Good effing riddance.
        
         | kleer001 wrote:
         | Weeble wobbles but they don't fall down.
        
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