[HN Gopher] Is algae the new kale? ___________________________________________________________________ Is algae the new kale? Author : Brajeshwar Score : 96 points Date : 2022-11-11 16:13 UTC (6 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.nationalgeographic.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.nationalgeographic.com) | endo_bunker wrote: | I've considered eating algae as an alternative source of DHA with | less risk of microplastic contamination, but I've had a hard time | finding definitive evidence of what types of algae contain | significant levels of DHA. | dinosaurdynasty wrote: | Algal supplements might be the easiest way of doing that. | (That's what I currently do.) | | And from what I understand it's mostly micro-algae with | EPA/DHA. | flareback wrote: | I've seen this movie, I don't want that life | flavius29663 wrote: | you know, some people were really squeamish about eating | aquatic roaches, and they were reserved for penal | colonies...but over time the public at large started to love | them, they also gave them better names, like "crabs" and | "lobsters". | [deleted] | hunterb123 wrote: | anyone can eat algae if they want to, most don't want to. | | some people do want to eat crab and lobsters, some don't. | | it's not a naming issue or a perception issue, it's a choice | issue. | flavius29663 wrote: | I don't think anyone is saying to not eat what you want | anymore, it's about having another option. | hunterb123 wrote: | The entire piece is about guilt tripping the reader into | eating algae under the threat of climate change. | | The title is called "Is it time to start eating algae?" | even... | | The answer to the title is no, unless you want to, which | you can already. | | If it was about another option it would be a recipe | article, not a climate change article. | BlueTemplar wrote: | "[...] | | The earth hath then become small, and on it there hoppeth the | last man who maketh everything small. His species is | ineradicable like that of the ground-flea; the last man liveth | longest. | | "We have discovered happiness"--say the last men, and blink | thereby. | | They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they | need warmth. One still loveth one's neighbour and rubbeth | against him; for one needeth warmth. | | Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they | walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbleth over stones or | men! | | A little poison now and then: that maketh pleasant dreams. And | much poison at last for a pleasant death. | | One still worketh, for work is a pastime. But one is careful | lest the pastime should hurt one. | | One no longer becometh poor or rich; both are too burdensome. | Who still wanteth to rule? Who still wanteth to obey? Both are | too burdensome. | | No shepherd, and one herd! Every one wanteth the same; every | one is equal: he who hath other sentiments goeth voluntarily | into the madhouse. | | "Formerly all the world was insane,"--say the subtlest of them, | and blink thereby. | | [...]" | | (Not sure that blowing up the biosphere, literally so when | considering geological timescales, is a better alternative...) | squidlogic wrote: | For anyone curious, this excerpt is by Nietschze in Thus | spake Zarathustra. | [deleted] | xjwm wrote: | Tuesday is Soylent Green day. | imwillofficial wrote: | No, it's not time. Jesus. | c7b wrote: | I love the seaweed that you sometimes get in restaurants (rarely | where I live, unfortunately). But the article makes me a bit | skeptical, it doesn't mention any downsides at all, it sounds | more like a marketing piece than a balanced assessment. | | I don't even know what questions I'd have to ask, off the top of | my head I'd like to know what the risks regarding eg mercury and | microplastics contamination are. Also, would we be eating 'wild' | algae, or would they be farmed? I guess it'd have quite different | implications both ecologically as well as nutrient-wise. | basch wrote: | seaweed salad? | | this stuff was awesome https://www.delish.com/food- | news/a33596417/costco-seaweed-sa... | photochemsyn wrote: | Origin of supply seems fairly important to keep track of: | | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21732-z | | > "Distribution of metals and metalloids in dried seaweeds and | health risk to population in southeastern China (2018) | | Most sources report levels low enough to not cause health | risks, but eating large quantities ( > 5g day ) is probably not | the best idea, and it should be tested for lead, mercury and | cadmium (industrial waste sources). Arsenic and iodine are also | naturally accumulated in seaweeds, particularly iodine, which | while a necessary trace element, can be dangerous in high | concentrations. | NikolaNovak wrote: | is 5g a large quantity? I must be missing significant | context. | swader999 wrote: | Better than crickets, but I'll stick to beef thanks. | pmontra wrote: | I also have beef and also vegetables and fruit. Plenty of space | on my table for all of them. | | About algae, there are a lot of different vegetables of all | shapes, consistency and colors. The only difference is that in | nature algae grow under water instead of under the rain. | Considering how many of our vegetables are farmed without even | seeing the rain once in their life, that's a non problem. | [deleted] | presidentender wrote: | It may be practical to feed that beef algae instead of corn. | trimbo wrote: | Related: | | Feeding Cattle Seaweed Reduces Their Greenhouse Gas Emissions | 82 Percent | | https://caes.ucdavis.edu/news/feeding-cattle-seaweed- | reduces... | ck45 wrote: | It's supposed to reduce cow farts. See e.g. | https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/09/24/seaweed-to-cow- | fee... | Gordonjcp wrote: | Don't feed cows corn, feed cows grass. | nemo44x wrote: | Depends what you want to do with the meat. Corn fed beef is | superior for certain applications like BBQ. | Gordonjcp wrote: | Corn-fed beef is bland and greasy. Next you'll be telling | me that Aberdeen-Angus beef is good... | wrycoder wrote: | It's a matter of taste. I find much grass-fed beef to be | dry and tough. | | Speaking as someone who has actually raised grass-fed | beef. | Gordonjcp wrote: | What breeds did you have? | wrycoder wrote: | First time was a Beefalo crossed on a Jersey cow. Second | time was a White-faced Hereford crossed on the same cow. | Gordonjcp wrote: | Not come across Beefalo, maybe not something we have over | here. | | Hereford are good but they're a proper "good old- | fashioned roast beef Sunday dinner" breed. | | We mostly had Charolais crosses, and Luing cattle which | you don't really see outside Scotland. They're smallish | but the meat is amazing. | nemo44x wrote: | I mean, every top ranked bbq joint in Texas uses it. Sone | of the better BBQ restaurants in the UK import it. | | Aaron Franklin has gone on about why and it's because of | the long cook times. BBQ is smoked and seasoned so I'm | not sure the bland opinion matters. | Apocryphon wrote: | I've wondered if the move to get rid of livestock to reduce | wasteful resource consumption can just be focused on getting | rid of beef. Poultry cultivation is far less water intensive | than raising cattle. If everyone just ate chicken and pork that | would be a significant improvement. | | https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/beef-uses-ten-... | maxbond wrote: | I've had the pleasure of having freshly harvested spirulina. It | was buttery and wonderful and rich, eating a few grams felt like | a big slice of chocolate cake. | | Eating algae is not a compromise or a burden, it's a fabulous | luxury we should all experience. | TheAceOfHearts wrote: | Cody'sLab has a few videos about growing his own algae for | consumption which are pretty interesting: | | https://youtu.be/64cEmjtwRgw | | Personally, I'm not opposed to this kind of food but integrating | it into your existing diet can be challenging. | nkingsy wrote: | Spirulina Is much happier warm. Harvesting is kind of boring. | Got a 5 gallon bucket topper with a fine mesh strainer for | engine oil. Scoop out a bunch, flush repeatedly with fresh | water, you get a green gelatinous cake that doesn't taste like | much (tofuish?) | | No one liked it. It would do in a pinch. | Victerius wrote: | Only if the rich do it first. | | I won't eat bugs, lab grown meat, algae, or any other | experimental food until the rich do it first, and do it | consistently, not just once as a demonstration. | | My logic is simple. If the rich don't embrace an innovation, it | tells me that the innovation is either not what it's cracked up | to be, that it gives a poorer quality product than the | traditional option, or that the rich think the innovation is for | suckers or the poor. If that's the case, I'll stick with the | traditional option. | incone123 wrote: | I want to agree with you, but some rich people will try (or | promote) any fad. I'm thinking of Gwyneth Paltrow. | somebody78978 wrote: | Algae isn't an experimental food; plenty of rich people eat | sushi, for example. | JoeAltmaier wrote: | Isn't that seaweed? I'm confused. | [deleted] | seszett wrote: | "Seaweed" is a rather ill-defined term in English that | regroups a lot of different algae. Nori is made from red | algae, that are included under the term seaweed. | goatcode wrote: | If plenty of people are already doing it, why is the article | titled with the question of whether we should start doing it? | | It's because the article is talking about making it more of a | primary source of nutrition. It isn't even the primary | ingredient in sushi. | | So, if the rich (and politicians) start eating it as a | primary source of nutrition, then the commenter to whom you | were replying might consider it similarly. | seszett wrote: | I'm probably rich at least on a global scale, and I have always | eaten algae because it's part of several regions' cuisine, | including my home place in Europe. | | So go ahead, you can eat algae too, it's not a new experimental | kind of food. | colordrops wrote: | I've read that one of the reasons that thyroid cancer is so | prevalent in east Asia is due to seaweed consumption. Seaweed has | 10,000x times the iodine of other food products, and a percentage | of that iodine is potentially radioactive. I don't have a source | so take this with a grain of (uniodized) salt. | jackmott42 wrote: | Maybe we could just impregnate people a bit less instead? | rs999gti wrote: | Found the westerner everyone. I want those benefits, but I | don't want to make the tax base to pay for them | rubyist5eva wrote: | G7 countries are already all below replacement fertility rates. | throwaway8689 wrote: | No problem. We can find replacements. | [deleted] | no_time wrote: | Okay, now find good ones. | rubyist5eva wrote: | I didn't say it was a problem. OP was suggesting we make | less people, and we already are. | whycombinetor wrote: | I've eaten 4.6g of spirulina in the last 24 hours in the form of | the Bolthouse Farms Green Goodness smoothie. No taste issues to | speak of. I for one welcome our new algae overlords. | wrycoder wrote: | Spirulina is not algae. It's bacteria. [0] | | I avoid it, possible ALS risk.[1][2][3] | | [0] | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplemen... | | [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanotoxin | | [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3295368/ | | [3] | https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/1748296090327848... | whycombinetor wrote: | Ouch, today I learn "blue-green algae" isn't "algae". | wrycoder wrote: | My wife got on a spirulina smoothie kick awhile back, so I | did some research. We sent it back. | | Lake Mascoma isn't too far from us, and we do see | cyanobacteria blooms around here. | netfl0 wrote: | fucking no. | mjul wrote: | If you want the high-end take on this, check out the Spanish | Michelin star chef, Angel Leon. He is known as "chef del mar", | making novel dishes with the plants from the ocean. | | Here is a short portrait in English: | | https://thebestchefawards.com/2021/06/06/angel-leon/ | | His restaurant, Aponiente: | | https://www.aponiente.com/en/ | calme_toi wrote: | This reminds me when I was in kindergarten, the most popular | diet/health supplement are some green/blue tablets which are | claimed to be made of some sea plants or algae called Spirulina | and with multiple benefits. | | I think Amway is still selling those tablets in some countries | now. | dustractor wrote: | It is definitely time to protect the sources of quality algae. | hunterb123 wrote: | You first, Sarah Gibbens | incone123 wrote: | It's time get people used to the idea of eating algae. Then they | won't question the Soylent Green. | marricks wrote: | I love all these whacky avenues people take when eating just | plants is a very low foot print option available to almost | everyone. | | We don't need to eat crickets, we don't need to eat algae, we | don't need bioreactors for growing meat. | | I think the main reason we don't hear more about just how goddamn | efficient a bowl of lentils and rice is, or oatmeal, is because | it's not sexy. You just can't make a start up on beans and rice. | | Which is a shame, because beans and rice are healthy and tasty. | And also are one of the avenues to save the planet. | wintermutestwin wrote: | >because beans and rice are healthy | | I disagree. A high carb diet make me fat. A high protein diets | does not. | | There is no vegan way for me to eat my daily protein target | without eating far too many carbs along with it. | | (edit: I should have stated that there is no way beyond eating | highly processed foods) | ericmcer wrote: | I feel the opposite, as soon as I start supplementing with | whey protein or adding meat I put on muscle and weight, but | with mostly beans/rice/lentil diet I have consistent energy | and stay light. | | I think the "protein" obsession we have currently (even my | milk carton brags about protein content) might be dialed back | in the near future. It came from the weight lifting | community, and lifting weights is one of the least healthy | and functional ways to stay in shape. Hopefully we view | hiking and doing physical activities as being "in shape" soon | versus going to a gym to do a bunch of isolated movements | with weight. | wintermutestwin wrote: | In my 20-30s, I was a long distance cyclist which required | a high carb diet and I had persistent belly fat. Now I | primarily lift weights and eat a high protein diet and I | have lost all the belly fat and as an added bonus, my | posture is no longer perma-hunched. | ericmcer wrote: | Which version of you would have done better at something | like... running around with your kids at the park? Or | running a mile to catch a train? | | My main point is that defined abs and a giant chest and | arms have little to do with health and performance, but | the body-building culture has convinced us all that they | do. It got ridiculous in the 90s when Arnold and Stallone | were portrayed as heroes good at everything due to their | big muscles, when the reality was that Arnold needed help | wiping his own ass when he was at his biggest. | | But if your goal is attracting a mate or intimidating | other males bench press and bicep curls are your path. | | I am also coming from a place as someone who hit 315 on | bench in my mid 20s but felt like an old man. | wintermutestwin wrote: | Technically, I would have been far more injury prone | running during my cycling days because of the terrible | imbalances due to "mono sporting" as a cyclist. And I am | not a musclebound gym rat now either. I spend more of my | exercise time walking than anything else these days. | | Not trying to sidestep your point here though and I | understand and agree with what you are getting at re: | over focus on lifting. | issa wrote: | 2 things: | | - everyone is different | | - there are plenty of low-carb, high-protein vegetarian | sources (see: tofu) | wintermutestwin wrote: | Actually, the problem with tofu is that it has a very high | fat to protein ratio. If I were to get my protein from | tofu, I'd take in way too many calories from fat. | wintermutestwin wrote: | Yes, you are right - I left out highly processed foods | (tofu, seitan, etc) because I don't think they are healthy. | forgetfulness wrote: | The processing in tofu is merely blending of soy beans, | filtering and curdling, unless cheese is in the same | category for you, I'd say that particular millenia-old | foodstuff is not in the same category as Beyond Burgers | or hot pockets. | subsuxbjes wrote: | There is you just don't care to learn and are stuck in your | own ways. That's fine, but don't act like it's not possible | because it is and it's not hard. | marricks wrote: | Seems like you are pluralizing your own anecdote. Sorry for | your issues though. | version_five wrote: | It's not hard to understand. Meat tastes good and is satisfying | to eat, and is the preferred centerpiece of many cultures' | meals. So there is a market to find substitutes that will have | the same appeal. Not that I think crickets or algae fill the | niche, but at least people are trying something. Vegetarians | saying "why doesn't everyone eat just plants, I do it" are | ignoring culture and projecting their narrow view onto others | ravenstine wrote: | > I think the main reason we don't hear more about just how | goddamn efficient a bowl of lentils and rice is, or oatmeal, is | because it's not sexy. | | No, we don't hear about it more because it's not healthful. If | it were, the human digestive system would be like that of | cattle, but it's not. You can feed everyone carby, fibrous | meals, but that's not optimal and not even necessarily better | for the environment. | | The reason algae is proposed as a way to feed people is that | it's _not_ dumping a bunch of carbs, fiber, and incomplete | protein down everyone 's gullets. Humans don't need to be | consuming these things, and there's drawbacks to diets that | aren't based on what our species developed to primarily consume | over the last 4 or so million years. There's aspects of algae | that are preventing it from being a serious food source across | the world, but if those roadblocks can be overcome then it can | be a game changer because of where it can be grown and what | kinds of nutrients it's capable of producing. | | In the present, there's no good reason to believe that | "everyone" needs to eat more plants and less meat. Meat is a | part of the atmospheric carbon cycle, _just as are crops_. On | the contrary to what you 're suggesting, and putting aside the | fact that fossil fuels are being used throughout livestock and | agriculture, individuals can eat whatever they see fit for | themselves. | CuriouslyC wrote: | Sorry, but lentils are pretty much the closest thing to a | single food that meets all of a human's nutritional needs in | existence. If you pair lentils with a small amount of spinach | and eggs that gets you there. | | Your comments about what "people" were designed to eat also | sounds pretty ignorant, since we're not genetically | homogenous for starters. Most humans of European descent have | evolved for seasonal carbohydrate consumption, which is why | they make you fat in excess (good luck surviving a hard | winter lean). The only people who really shouldn't be eating | carbs are indigenous people from very cold areas with a | primarily marine diet. There are pockets of indigenous | Americans from desert regions who don't do fantastically with | carbs either, but those people mostly have issues with a | caloric surplus in general. | | Seaweed is a better food (and habitat) for fish than humans. | We should create artificial reefs and forests to feed fish, | then sustainably harvest fish from those manmade "farms". | gruez wrote: | >Your comments about what "people" were designed to eat | also sounds pretty ignorant, since we're not genetically | homogenous for starters. ... | | Source for this? I don't doubt that there are groups with | genetic adaptations to food (eg. genes for lactase | persistence), but I'm not aware of anything for carbs. | Gordonjcp wrote: | And that's great, but how far do the lentils travel to get | to your kitchen? | bobbylarrybobby wrote: | Lentils and rice are a complete protein. While they don't | provide 100% of the nutrients you need, if you throw in a few | green vegetables you'll be absolutely fine. | | Crops use something like 1% of the resources to grow that | meat does. It's not just about where carbon is stored, but | land and water usage and where carbon is produced (cows fart. | a lot.). Overall plant-based diets are far superior for the | planet than meat-based diets, and contrary to popular opinion | they don't have to suck. | BlargMcLarg wrote: | There is token research that creatine supplements are | especially beneficial for vegans, and creatine isn't the | only thing mostly found in animal-based foods. Given | nutritional sciences has a history of being a rollercoaster | ride, maybe it isn't the best idea to make wild claims | which don't mirror how the world behaves at large. | | Water and land usage is also A: grossly overstated (you | can't grow anything except grass on most land) and B: cited | as something against _all_ meat when chickens, goats, | ducks, geese and pigs use far less of both. At that point, | substantiate or correct your statement to 'beef'. | gruez wrote: | >A: grossly overstated (you can't grow anything except | grass on most land) | | The overwhelming majority of soy grown globally is fed to | livestock. That's definitely does not fall under your | category of "can't grow anything except grass on most | land". | | "More than three-quarters (77%) of global soy is fed to | livestock for meat and dairy production. Most of the rest | is used for biofuels, industry or vegetable oils. Just 7% | of soy is used directly for human food products" | | The proportion is lower for corn, but only because a huge | chunk is being used for fuel. If we exclude that, it | would still be the overwhelming majority. | | https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/charts/104842/corn_dom_u | se.... | Gordonjcp wrote: | That's because soy isn't really suitable for human | consumption, and about 80% of the soy plants that you | grow consist of stuff that humans can't eat. | | How do you plan on solving the problem of eating the bits | of soy plants that humans can't eat? | hannofcart wrote: | > Lentils and rice are a complete protein. While they don't | provide 100% of the nutrients you need, if you throw in a | few green vegetables you'll be absolutely fine. | | Sounds like the South Indian Sambar with rice meets this | criteria. | | Or rice-dal-subji combo in North Indian cuisine. | goodpoint wrote: | > We don't need to eat crickets, we don't need to eat algae, we | don't need bioreactors for growing meat. | | While this is true, algae has been a common, almost staple food | for thousands of years in Asia. | | TFA, "start eating algae" only betrays its narrow perspective. | marricks wrote: | Completely valid, I worried about that after I typed it but | decided to leave it in to relate more to the article which | opens on a wacky start up idea. | coinbasetwwa wrote: | Being vegetarian is extremely unhealthy, drives the obesity | epidemic, and is far more likely to cause individuals to become | depressed. Good luck getting heme iron, carnitine, carnosine, | taurine, creatine, B12, Vit D, and DHA in a meat free diet. | subsuxbjes wrote: | What? This is honestly so wrong you can't be taken in good | faith. | slothtrop wrote: | Only _relatively_ low footprint. You 're underestimating the | fossil fuel consumption needed in the form of ammonia (for | fertilizer), farming equipment (smelting for steel, also | requires coke from coal), transport, manufacturing, plastics | (greenhouses, packaging), etc. This is all essential to feed | the world, and there's nothing low footprint about it. Btw, | compare the consumption needed for a tomato/100g vs chicken, | and you'll be surprised. | | All of this is a moot point if demand were to stop growing, and | that will only happen when population does. Another accelerant | is that as more of the world is lifted out of poverty, demand | increases. All of the increases in efficiency and swaps for | green energy are outpaced by demand, and will continue to be. | | Btw, immigrants are not moving to the 1st world so they could | consume less. They're going to eat meat, buy gadgets and single | family homes. In fact govt policy is counting on it (that's | what a GDP increase means, more consumption). Reduction in | overall meat consumption helps, but you shouldn't bet on it to | end, nor is it the most exacerbating source of emissions (plus, | I hope, seaweed infused feed could trivialize methane emissions | as it rolls out). | | The alternative to lower demand is a staggering transition away | from fossil fuels (only like 15% of fossil fuel consumption is | for electricity), but that will probably take awhile. Lowering | immigration rates would marginally help (probably not as much | as people think) but that would be unpopular anyway. It's | simultaneously "just" to pad the numbers of those consuming | like Westerners (literally what "a better life" describes), and | a moral imperative for the same concerned class to pressure | Westerners to avoid consuming arbitrary things, or in general. | Regardless, increase in consumption will arrive in the rest of | the world. | | I think expanding access to contraceptives worldwide is | probably the greenest possible thing that can be done right | now. That's not coming from a perspective of anti-natalism | either. EDIT: use your words if you disagree, like adults. If | you can't even elucidate how, you should question your premise. | ianai wrote: | Being from the land of great red and green chile (spelled | correctly), I love legumes/pulses! I'd mix them with rice more | but potatoes and wheat (tortillas) go with my metabolism much | better. | | I also love falafel though and find the texture close enough to | a burger for my uses. | | Edit-nonetheless the mock up stuff is fun and fills needs. Love | me some "benevolent bacon". | reality_inspctr wrote: | you eat so many bugs all the time, ground up in food. this | dismissive old crank attitude is ignoring simple truth. also a | lot of the world happily eats bugs as a delicacy. they're not | whacky, you're being quick to frame something you don't know | much about as dismissible. | hammock wrote: | Beans + rice is easily the most common meal on the planet, as | the cheapest complete protein source around. We live in a | bubble, never mind saving the planet | sometimeshuman wrote: | A quick Google search reveals that beans are not a _complete_ | , since they lack several essential amino acids. | | Edit: correction, it appears that soybeans are the exception. | But when one thinks of having a serving of "beans and rice", | soybeans are unlikely to be the bean served. | wrycoder wrote: | Pinto beans and rice are complete, for example. The amino | acid deficiencies are complementary. | sannee wrote: | Surely you can just eat more beans until you get enough | methionine to satisfy your protein synthesis needs. We are | not (yet, in the western world) at the point of having to | eat a starvation diet (where the amino acid profile is | actually important, since you are trying to eat as little | as possible). | forgetfulness wrote: | That's why it's the beans+rice combination that's complete, | because they're complementary in composition. | | But the truth is that you don't need to eat them in the | same meal, and most people don't have a shortage of grain | in their diets if they aren't going out of their way to | make it so. Porridge in the morning and lentils at lunch | and you've done it. | bch wrote: | beans != beans + rice; | | See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33564109 | sometimeshuman wrote: | My mistake, I had blindly dismissed rice since it is | commonly known to be a nutrient poor food. But several | sources confirm the parent post and your comment are | correct*. It's also too often repeated that a vegetable | based diets will be lacking essential amino acids which | seems like a gross falsehood now if you can get there | with two wildly available plants that make up a common | low-cost meal. I am baffled by the disconnect. | | *I don't cite the source since I am unsure if there are | caveats or if the claim is controversial. | stonemetal12 wrote: | I think the disconnect is that for meat you don't have to | think about it. When it comes to plants, suddenly you | have to know something about what you are eating. There | are plenty of plant diets that are viable, you just have | to research a little bit. | | Everyone always mentions beans and rice, but Potatoes by | themselves are a complete protein. Some of the essential | amino acids aren't found in high quantities in potatoes, | so you have to eat a lot of them if you go that route. | They are missing some vitamins and minerals as well, so | you have to add sweet potatoes if you don't want scurvy. | bch wrote: | > complete protein source | | On the "complete protein" concept, by a famous popularizer of | plant-based protein-combining[0] | | ---- | | There is no need to combine foods at individual meals. | | "In 1971 I stressed protein complementarity because I assumed | that the only way to get enough protein ... was to create a | protein as usable by the body as animal protein. In combating | the myth that meat is the only way to get high-quality | protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression | that in order to get enough protein without meat, | considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually, it | is much easier than I thought. With three important | exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a | plant food diet." | | --- | | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_for_a_Small_Planet | | Edit: adjust description of what Lappe was popularizer of | metadat wrote: | Why did you quit there, leaving the 3 exceptions as a | cliffhanger!? | | > The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] | fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or | cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and | fat). | | This part could be important for some folks. :) | bch wrote: | I wanted you to tune in next week for the thrilling | conclusion? ;) | | Thx for the amendment. | goethes_kind wrote: | Animal protein still seems to be of higher quality. Even | among rich vegans in first would countries, the children | comparatively less developed compared to their peers. | | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X | 1... | | https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/113/6/1565/6178918?lo | g... | eYrKEC2 wrote: | Did you know that cows can up cycle agricultural waste into | protein? Human's can't eat corn stalks, for instance. | fullstick wrote: | We could upcycle agricultural waste by returning it to the | earth. Let it decompose and return nutrients to the soil. | wrycoder wrote: | We do that, after the cows are done with it. | jlg23 wrote: | > I think the main reason we don't hear more about just how | goddamn efficient a bowl of lentils and rice is, or oatmeal, is | because it's not sexy. | | I consider food that can be mass-produced in those 71% of the | world's surface that cannot grow lentils or rice quite sexy | indeed. | Avicebron wrote: | Huge swathes of the human population doesn't eat that much | meat, India being my go to example of delicious vegetarian food | spanning a very very long time. | [deleted] | rs999gti wrote: | > doesn't eat that much meat, India being my go to example | | Indian/Pakistani food may be vegetarian but it tastes good | because of animal products like eggs, butter, cream, milk, | and cheese. | | It's vegetarian but not vegan. | | Source: I grew up eating this type of food daily | rs999gti wrote: | Edit: before you jump on me, yes I know Indian food has | spices. But the animal products are what add the richness | and savoriness to the food | valarauko wrote: | Plenty of Indian foods are already vegan or can be made | vegan with simple substitutions. | Kiro wrote: | There are lot of things we don't need to do. I hate lentils and | beans but love whacky food as you call it. | | Taste is subjective. | dinosaurdynasty wrote: | (micro)-algae can be a really good source of long-chain | omega-3's (EPA/DHA), which are otherwise difficult to get in a | plant-based diet. | | While beans and rice are pretty damn good (or what I tend to | do, beans and potatoes) it definitely isn't complete | nutritionally and there is pretty important stuff that's | missing or there isn't enough of (EPA/DHA, Vitamin D, Vitamin | B12, etc). | | Variety is also good just because of allergies and | oversensitivites to certain foods and even just taste | preference. Just about anything is better for the planet than | meat! | forgetfulness wrote: | It's like the phenomenon of businessmen and politicians | preferring to dazzle the public with implausible gadgetbahn | concepts, instead of opting for presently-existing trains, of | the various types that actually exist. | | The concrete existence of train technology causes the ball to | get pushed further than the the 3D render stage to the far less | exciting endeavors of drafting up projects, gathering political | support, securing funding, doing environmental impact studies, | battling NIMBYs in court, and may end up undercutting the | bottom line of auto manufacturers that could make campaign | contributions, and won't line up the pockets of visionary | consultants writing reports on how other solutions to car | traffic and long commutes could be dreamed up. | | https://www.cat-bus.com/2017/12/gadgetbahn/ | [deleted] | Gordonjcp wrote: | That's great if you live in a part of the world where you can | grow lentils and rice. | | Even down south here at 57degN it's still more ecologically | sound to eat meat and potatoes, because potatoes grow pretty | well and tough heathery grasses and sedges grow pretty well, | and we can't eat those but sheep can. | dr_dshiv wrote: | I would totally imagine a beans and rice drive-through focused | on getting healthy family dinner for lowest possible price. | Call it "Bowls" and allow upsells on toppings. | stevenkkim wrote: | Also, can you imagine the positive impact on health and well- | being? | | Also, my impression is that at least in the U.S. there isn't a | shortage of farmable land. It's just that most of it is used to | grow corn and soybeans, and most of the corn is being used to | feed cattle and make ethanol. | | I think a lot more work needs to be done to show how tasty | plant-based foods can be. Anecdote: growing up, I hated brussel | sprouts b/c we ate them boiled; now I love them oven-roasted. | Salads can be amazing if a bit of effort is put into them (more | than just iceberg lettuce and dressing). | marricks wrote: | I try not to post too many empty "I totally agree" comments | but man, brussel sprouts are amazing. | | Who ever popularized boiling them is a damn fool. Pan friend | then oven roasted, just amazing. Best thing in the world. | | Also you're right on all points, but god, love me some | sprouts. | pfarrell wrote: | In addition to changing to roasting, and depending on how old | you are, brussels sprouts may have literally been different | when you were a kid [0]. Dutch biologists worked to alter the | sprouts we eat and have changed the bitterness. That's why | they've had such a renaissance. I never had them as a kid, | but I distinctly remember my brother making them at | Thanksgiving around 2010 and we were shocked at how much we | enjoyed them and couldn't figure out why they had such a bad | reputation in pop culture. | | 0: https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/do-brussels-sprouts- | taste-... | stevenkkim wrote: | Very cool article, thanks for sharing! | scythe wrote: | Algae has what I sometimes call the "hempseed problem": it tastes | awful. Hempseeds are highly productive, nutritious, and smash | almost every other whole plant food on the crucial protein:fiber | ratio, coming in at 12:1. The only problem is, you have to eat | them. | | Japan pretty much identified every kind of seaweed that you can | eat without puking a thousand years ago and the list is not long. | A tablespoon of spirulina is a great way to ruin a smoothie, | never mind that it mostly comes from the disappearing Lake Chad. | | So it's heavily processed, and it could certainly get into food | products that way, but nobody will notice -- or care -- that | they're eating algae-derived food products. If you doubt that, | just look up where xanthan gum comes from, or consider that | _Aspergillus niger_ is the primary source of citric acid. | [deleted] | bob234 wrote: | stuff4ben wrote: | All of the people who are saying they'd never eat it and will | stick with their beef/chicken/pork are the same kind that said | hell no to EVs. They'll die out and the world will adapt to a | changing food economy just as we did with the changing fuel | economy. | BlargMcLarg wrote: | EVs are barely making a dent into the problem, even coupled | with everyone going fully vegan (a pipedream). The economy | still continues to occupy any new room available under "we must | grow" incentive. | | You'll die out with the others at this rate of token changes. | vinyl7 wrote: | Eat the bugs, live in a pod, own nothing and be happy | [deleted] | [deleted] | hunterb123 wrote: | "All of the people who have different life choices than me will | die out one day" | | Is that all cultures you're waiting to die out that are using | ICE vehicles and eating chicken, or just Western peoples? | | Lots of babies and and future babies who live those lifestyles | you're going to have to wait to die... | tianqi wrote: | mberning wrote: | More propaganda from the "eat bugs" and "you'll own nothing and | be happy" cabal. | blacksmith_tb wrote: | Eating seaweed and bugs sounds a lot better than starving to | death? Especially since in both cases they appear to be just | intermediate sources of nutrients that will get turned into | innocuous food-a-likes like burgers and bacon. Sure, the | cynical take is no one would willing eat them straight up | (though obviously nori is around sushi, hijiki is in soup etc.) | but I am not too put off by the idea... | mberning wrote: | False dichotomy. Just like green anything. Kill the planet or | go back to pre-industrial living standards. How about no. Why | not use our talent and resources to find ways to increase the | standards of living while also improving their affordability | and lessening their impact on the environment. | opsec0001 wrote: | Algae? With all that sh*t we have in the oceans? I'll pass | dsp_person wrote: | I was looking into algea/spirulina for B12, but found some | sources indicating it is not a bioavailable form of B12, and also | prevents real B12 from being absorbed. | | I'd be interested to know any counter research to this. | | > almost all algae revealed vitamin B12 analogues instead of the | real thing. Analogues are not only ineffective, but also | potentially dangerous. Most researchers have consequently | dismissed algae as a B12 source and recommend natural B12 | supplements as a safe alternative | | > In order to properly understand the discussion about the B12 | content of algae, it is important to first take a closer look at | analogues. Also known as pseudo B12, analogues are molecules | which are so chemically similar to real B12 that they bond to the | same transport molecule. In contrast, however, they have no | vitamin effect on the body whatsoever. This is detrimental to | health, as only real B12 that is bound to this specific transport | molecule can be used by the body. | | https://www.b12-vitamin.com/algae/ | manmal wrote: | Why not just take B12 produced with microbes (= most | supplements)? Those are considered vegan. Trying to get B12 | from algae sounds unnecessarily complicated, considering our | B12 has in all of our history been of microbial origin. | | But I also wouldn't shun algae just because they occupy some | B12 transporters. There's all kinds of metabolic tradeoffs with | every kind of food, and we are designed to tolerate that. Most | metabolic pathways are 4-5x redundant IIRC. | coinbasetwwa wrote: | Yep. People need meat. | manmal wrote: | B12 absorption is finicky, and meats contain rather small | amounts. Injections and sublinguals are actually better at | increasing levels than meat. | zmaurelius wrote: | Organ meats such as beef liver provide a significant amount | of B12. If you are just eating muscle meat, then you will | have to eat a lot. | manmal wrote: | Excess liver consumption is a risk factor for vitamin A | toxicity though, and the B12 amount varies wildly. Red | meat consumption also increases cancer risk. It's safer | to take supplements from a reputable source. | uxcolumbo wrote: | Guess what? Farm animals need B12 supplements. | | So why not just take B12 supplements ourselves? Cut out the | middleman and as a bonus lower stress on our biosphere and | reduce our carbon footprint. | newman555 wrote: | For B12? You do know that animals don't produce B12, but | microorganisms (that can be found in soil and untreated | water) and that farmed animals eat B12 supplemented food? | | So no, people don't need meat. Not for B12, or for proteins | or for iron or for anything else. | | Do people _want_ to eat meat? That's a different story. | knaekhoved wrote: | Why do vegans almost uniformly look so scrawny and fucked | up if Veganism doesn't cause nutritional deficiencies? | CaptainNegative wrote: | They also need Hi-C Flashin' Fruit Punch because rib eye is | low in ascorbic acid. | version_five wrote: | You can get that from eating whale skin, much tastier and | healthier | kethinov wrote: | I saw that episode of Battlestar Galactica. It was generally | unpopular with the people. | terramars wrote: | love foraging seaweed and eating it in a bunch of different | things. large scale consumption of it is pretty difficult unless | you're somewhere that conveniently has both a lot of good stuff | locally and has a food culture that knows how to prepare it. | cooking with eg kelp is not trivial. there are probably lots of | interesting industrial and processed seaweed products that could | be very good, especially the animal feed applications, but i | think these kinds of articles overlook the very real problems | associated with building cuisine from ingredients that aren't | widely adopted. | JackFr wrote: | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headli... | beckingz wrote: | Yes it tastes great in sushi and miso soup. | rs999gti wrote: | And ice cream too | xxr wrote: | Do you mean ice cream where it's the central flavor, or in | the form of carrageenans as a thickener? | Ekaros wrote: | As meat eater I'm not wholly against it. If the texture and taste | is palatable why not. | petamask wrote: | Seaweed is a staple ingredient in Korea. We eat it in all sorts | of ways. I remember being shocked by the smell of rotting | seaweeds on a Welsh beach. Never saw it happening in Korea. We | eat those! | la64710 wrote: | No | jansan wrote: | There was a mid sized scam by a company praising algae as the | future in Germany a few years ago.The company claimed that they | would soon produce huge quantities of algae for nutrition, | cosmetics, fuel, etc.. They collected money from private | investors (which how they did it was illegal), but they had | nothing but a small prototype that did not even work well, is was | all smoke an mirrors. A very nice but gullible friend of mine | lost about 5000EUR in that. | | Since then I am VERY sceptical about articles praising algae as | the next big thing. | UncleOxidant wrote: | https://archive.ph/0tg3q | strangattractor wrote: | I thought Kale was Algae - good to know. | oifjsidjf wrote: | While real sea-grown algae might be light what will happen is the | same as with modern animal and plant farming: animals are fed | corn which makes their meat sub-par nutrientwise and most of the | soil for plants is depleted. | | So if we now grow algae in "reactors" their nutrient profile will | be artificial and out of line of their natural counterparts, thus | making them no better than any other modern highly processed | food, so we might as well stick to rice and potatoes in that | case... | mattwest wrote: | What do you mean sub-par nutrientwise? In terms of average | health outcomes, does grassfed beef show a significant benefit | compared to feedlot finished beef? | galangalalgol wrote: | I've seen no direct studies. But there seems plenty of | evidence that the fatty acid profiles between the two are | very different. And the profile in grassfed is closer to in | line with what is currently recommended. | cowmoo728 wrote: | https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475- | 2... | | https://doaj.org/article/94b48d8e1f40488992f3534900e8f0f1 | | * Lower in total fat | | * Higher in omega-3 and CLA | | * Higher in Vitamin A, E, K | | * Higher in polyphenols and beneficial plant compounds | colordrops wrote: | Is that speculation or is there a proven difference with farmed | algae? | goodpoint wrote: | > So if we now grow algae in "reactors" their nutrient profile | will be artificial and out of line of their natural | counterparts | | This is wild speculation. Plenty of scientific research shows | that farming plants, algae, and producing fermented food in a | controlled environment can be even healthier than "natural" | food. | midislack wrote: | Can you link us to a half dozen or more peer-reviewed studies | proving this? | jerlam wrote: | People have posted some Soylent Green jokes; but no joke, the | real-life Soylent company added algae to their drink in 2016, and | it caused some illness, eventually being removed: | | https://www.eater.com/2016/11/7/13553610/soylent-sick-algae | socialismisok wrote: | We already eat various forms of algae. Some are quite nutritious, | some give us tummy troubles, some at excellent sinks for CO2. | | I'm very curious if we could mass manufacture something like | algae and then pyrolize it to get fuel and solid carbon to | sequester. | | If we find some good ideas for kelp, there's whole coastlines | whose kelp forests have been decimated. We could start | propagating and sustainably harvesting it and provide an | incredibly rich coastal habitat. | RajT88 wrote: | I have seen some youtubers make kelp pickles. They seem to find | it delicious. | | https://youtu.be/SXhXK2CcCic | throwuwu wrote: | > Some are quite nutritious, some give us tummy troubles, some | at excellent sinks for CO2 | | You forgot some are potent neurotoxins | calibas wrote: | That's "blue-green algae", a type of bacteria, that produces | neurotoxins. Way different than the kinds of algae they're | talking about here. | CuriouslyC wrote: | That coastal habitat could also be used to support stocks of | fish that people will actually want to eat. | ajmurmann wrote: | Why not both? A few years ago I saw a promising project | focused around floating containers with algae and oysters | that also provided valuable habitat for fish | yawgmoth wrote: | I recently bought an Algae Powered CO2 scrubber. No idea how | effective it is, I wonder what the easiest way to measure is? | slavik81 wrote: | The CO2 that it absorbs has to be stored. Measure the change | in weight. | ajmurmann wrote: | I looked into this for a few minutes when a huge algae CO2 | scrubber in am airport was discussed a few weeks back. The | short is that it does close to nothing: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33173230 | | It's too bad because one of my weird dreams would be to have | a vat of genetically modified algae in my house that removes | CO2 and turns into some kind of Soylent. | antisthenes wrote: | A CO2 meter? ... | yawgmoth wrote: | Yeah! I was thinking "ah the room isn't sealed, nor is the | house for that matter" but I can probably get interesting | measurements with a simple CO2 meter. | NavinF wrote: | CO2 meter and a 30 gallon garbage bag to seal the meter | inside along with the algae? | K2h wrote: | If you try to measure CO2 usage, be aware of the | fineprint in your sensor, depending on the sensor it may | just take the lowest reading over some period and self | calibrate (incorrectly) as normal air CO2 concentration | (~400ppm) | | <https://www.extech.com/products/CO240> | | _Automatic CO2 Baseline Calibration (ABC)_ _The ABC | algorithm continually tracks the sensor's lowest reading | over a fixed time interval and slowly corrects for any | long-term drift (as compared to the expected fresh air | value of 400ppm). The ABC period is 15 days, during which | the ABC function default is always on._ | the_third_wave wrote: | Is it time to start eating people? Clearly it is: | | _In the year 2022, the cumulative effects of overpopulation, | pollution, and some apparent climate catastrophe have caused | severe worldwide shortages of food, water and housing. There are | 40 million people in New York City alone, where only the city 's | elite can afford spacious apartments, clean water, and natural | food, and even then at horrendously high prices. The homes of the | elite usually include concubines who are referred to as | "furniture" and serve the tenants as slaves. | | Within the city lives NYPD detective Frank Thorn and his aged | friend Sol Roth, a highly intelligent analyst, referred to as a | "Book". Roth remembers the world when it had animals and real | food, and possesses a small library of reference materials to | assist Thorn. Thorn is tasked with investigating the murder of | the wealthy and influential William R. Simonson, and quickly | learns that Simonson had been assassinated and was a board member | of Soylent Industries._ | | https://archive.org/details/soylent-green-1973_20210310 | heywherelogingo wrote: | I don't mind, but it seems the root problem might be the people | chanting that we need more people to increase GDP. | poszlem wrote: | I cannot understand how it is possible that the phrases like | "food security" instead of "hunger" became used widespread | organically seemingly out of nowhere. Genuine question, can | someone explain that to me without resorting to some sort of | conspiracy theories? | woodruffw wrote: | They encompass different things: hunger is a physical state, | while food security is an economic, logistical, and | environmental property. | | You don't really need a conspiracy to prefer more precise | terms. | im3w1l wrote: | My guess is that recently lots of people have come to associate | hunger with their own failed attempts at losing weight rather | than with poverty and desperation. Saying that you want to "end | hunger" is not a message that will resonate with them. | jackmott42 wrote: | preferred words change constantly, its all senseless, but it | won't stop, and it doesn't matter. just go with it, or be angry | all the time. | rr808 wrote: | Maybe the distrinction comes from the West where food charities | help out with food for hunger, but they aren't in danger of | starving to death like many 3rd world countries. | dimitrios1 wrote: | Perhaps -- my guess -- its the recognition that they are | fundamentally two different problems. | | Hunger of the previous generations was mostly due to countries | not having enough agriculture or imports to feed their | population. | | Today with modern farming and agriculture methods, hunger is | mostly a distribution issue, rather than a we don't have enough | food issue, so now food security is used as a more general | term. My hunch is driven by -- may be getting the exact | specifics wrong - that countries like America throw away enough | food daily to satisfy much of the remaining world hunger. | Enginerrrd wrote: | I think they refer to different things. | | I could ask why use the term "Hunger" rather than "Starvation" | or "malnutrition" etc. | | Food security I think of as a measure of the risk associated of | available nutrient supplies not being adequate to meet the need | (not the market demand, as that may differ) of people in a | particular locality. | | Hunger is an end state feeling in a human-being when they feel | the need to eat. | | You can have terrible food security and no hunger if there is | tremendous risk of mass starvation due to small unforseen | disruptions in supply, but there is existing supply and | forecasted supply to meet demand if all goes well. | [deleted] | Nowado wrote: | Nation states don't get hungry. Similarly to 'target | neutralization' being called inhuman description of murder, | both terms are about exactly what they say they are. | | People being hungry near you is an 'individual problem', but | with police intact you're roughly fine (under assumptions). If | your country is facing food security crisis, it will likely | spread to other domains and you are not fine. | goodpoint wrote: | They are not the same thing. Food insecurity is broader than | just hunger. | | https://foodforward.org/food-security/what-is-food-insecurit... | | No need for silly conspiracy theories. | slothtrop wrote: | For motte-and-bailey reasons. Food insecurity in my country | means not being able to access food in "socially acceptable | ways". It has nothing to do with hunger, it means collecting | money from the govt or food stamps etc. But when invoked, it's | meant to convey that a large fraction of people are going | hungry, incidentally often calling for an expansion of spending | which would also not reduce food insecurity because by | definition it's not "socially acceptable". Better wages and | employment addresses it. | poszlem wrote: | So, to clarify, I am not arguing that food insecurity and | hunger are two separate things (even though to me it still | sounds like some sort of newspeak). My question was more about | the speed with which that term became deployed everywhere. | bobthepanda wrote: | They are slightly different. | | Hunger, in the strictest sense, is about a lack of calories. | | This made sense as a metric to track, when the issue was | almost entirely people who starved to death. Now however, | first in the developed world and also in many developing | countries the issue is also calorie quality, usually a lack | of access to non-junk foods. You can now be both malnourished | and obese. | woodruffw wrote: | I think it's more likely that you just didn't notice it. | | My lay observation is that "food security" has been the | standard term in non-profit/NGO contexts for at least 15 | years, while "hunger" is still colloquial. My guess for why | is precision. | ryandrake wrote: | Maybe it's the same Euphemism Treadmill that George Carlin | performed[1] about, how "Shell Shock" evolved into the | softer, jargony "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" | | 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc | woodruffw wrote: | The euphemism treadmill is real, but this is the exact | opposite: we've gone _from_ a dated euphemism to a | medical term. | strbean wrote: | I think "shell shock" vs. "PTSD" is a poor example of | euphemistic language. The name "shell shock" is just | inaccurate and misleading. It's a product of the poor | understanding we had at the time. It would be confusing | to explain how someone got shell shock from sexual | assault, for example. | | The intermediate names Carlin mentions, however, are | absolute euphemistic bullshit. "Battle fatigue" and | "operational exhaustion" were strictly rebrands with the | intent of minimizing the problem. | jabroni_salad wrote: | I first heard about it in an economics podcast about food | deserts so I figure it came from that realm. | | The entire planet is 3 missed meals away from total anarchy. | The reason it is prominent (IMO) is that any politician who | fails to deliver on food may as well dumpster the rest of their | platform. Ensuring the acquisition and availability of food is | every country's #1 priority, and "food security" covers all of | the political and logistical and agricultural activities that | need to happen for that priority to be delivered. | [deleted] | tantalor wrote: | > became used widespread organically seemingly out of nowhere | | Except, it didn't? | | https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=... | | Just because you are just now noticing something common doesn't | mean it recently became common. | [deleted] | hammock wrote: | I appreciate the effort to apply data. There are alternative | facts, though: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content= | world+hunger%2... | Shared404 wrote: | I'd like to take this opportunity to point out a common | statistical manipulation - extending an axis far longer | than is at all relevant to the data, creating a misleading | interpretation of a slope. | | https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=world+hunger% | 2... is a much more readable and accurate graph. | | Note how both are ~equivalent for a majority of the time, | barring 1943 - 1951 (slight edge for food security) and | 1960-1970 (larger lead for 'world hunger'). At 1970, food | insecurity takes and maintains control. | | This is likely because it - as discussed in the rest of the | thread - encompasses more, and is a more useful term for | scholarly discussion. | Sapere_Aude wrote: | Right around the time when the Trilateral Commission, the | Club of Rome and other elitist think tanks / NGOs were | founded to push globalization, development and such | ideas. | tantalor wrote: | Great find! | | Sounds like this term became popular in the 1970s. That was | a while ago :) | nells wrote: | Because it's not organic. Of course if you reject "conspiracy | theories" then you will reject the answer. | rmujica wrote: | In Chile is common to eat Cochayuyo, a type of kelp without air | bladders [0]. Some people are dismissive about its taste, but | personally I love it on my Charquican [1]. | | It is very cheap and readily available at most fish markets | through all the country. | | [0]: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durvillaea_antarctica#Chilean_... | | [1]: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charquic%C3%A1n | neves wrote: | Incas used algae as a source of iodine to prevent | hypothyroidism. There was a sound commerce between the | mountains and the shore. | UncleOxidant wrote: | I recently bought some red dulse from a seaweed farm on the | Oregon coast (Oregon Seaweed in Garibaldi, Oregon). Bought it | right from the farm. The guy who was growing it said it makes a | great bacon substitute. I tried frying it up and while it didn't | taste much like bacon to me (maybe I needed some liquid smoke?) | it was an umami bomb. I had it in a sandwich and it was actually | pretty good. | telesilla wrote: | Try using a dehydrator, it's delicious in salads and adds a | crunch. | tejohnso wrote: | I enjoy the dulse leaf product from these guys | https://www.amdulse.com/products | | Not as a substitute for something else, but as a snack on its | own, for which there is no substitute. Unfortunately prices | have nearly doubled in a little over a year. | dirtyid wrote: | Are there big seaweed / algae boards funding test kitchens to try | to mainstream products like Norway did for salmon sushi? | nells wrote: | I will not eat the bugs and I will not eat the algae. | kibwen wrote: | Do you eat lobster or crab? Then I've got some bad news for you | about eating bugs... | Minor49er wrote: | What's the bad news? | chihuahua wrote: | It's a dramatic way of stating that lobster and crab are | members of the phylum _Arthropoda_ , which also includes | scorpions, centipedes, and butterflies. | ask_b123 wrote: | Hey, I don't eat lobster nor crab. | mensetmanusman wrote: | I will eat everything you don't eat. | asow92 wrote: | As soon as someone says X tastes like Y I get a little | suspicious. Can't we just come up with a new notion of X unto | itself so we all don't have to pretend that X tastes like Y? | boomboomsubban wrote: | How do you describe an unfamiliar taste to someone without | comparisons? | asow92 wrote: | I would use descriptors such as savory, crispy, etc. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-11-11 23:01 UTC)