[HN Gopher] Why do we call it "boilerplate code?"
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       Why do we call it "boilerplate code?"
        
       Author : goranmoomin
       Score  : 317 points
       Date   : 2022-11-15 13:29 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | computomatic wrote:
       | Interesting history, for sure!
       | 
       | That said, I can't help but feel like this one premise is
       | unsubstantiated.
       | 
       | > But where does it get the meaning of being "uncreative" copy-
       | paste code?
       | 
       | I've never heard of boilerplate being described in quite those
       | terms.
       | 
       | In my experience, boilerplate is frowned upon for exactly one
       | reason: we tend to type it out manually despite the fact that it
       | never differs. That's something that coders know should be
       | automated, and it's a waste of energy when it's not. The exact
       | same problem linotype and boilerplate molds solved.
       | 
       | Perhaps I'm simply missing the point and splitting hairs.
        
         | ozim wrote:
         | I always see boilerplate in connection with code generators or
         | creators that will create boilerplate code that one can adjust.
         | 
         | Some people nag they write boilerplate code but for me it seems
         | they never found ways to automate it or simply copy paste.
        
       | Agent766 wrote:
       | As an aside, check out the 30 minute documentary "Farewell Etaoin
       | Shrdlu" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MGjFKs9bnU) about the
       | end of the linotype era. I'm amazed at the engineering that went
       | into linotype printing.
        
         | Taniwha wrote:
         | I worked in a hot-metal news room (with lino-types) take the
         | parent article with a grain of salt - it really worked like
         | this:
         | 
         | 1) Linotype machine contains positive type molds, it assembles
         | them into lines and mechanically left/right justifies them
         | 
         | 2) Lino machine pours liquid metal into the line of type to
         | make a negative image (mirror writing)
         | 
         | 3) Lino operator runs in k roller over finished article's type
         | and prints a quick copy
         | 
         | 4) Copy is sent to readers/copy holders who check the
         | spelling/grammar
         | 
         | 5) Lino operator fixes bad lines
         | 
         | 6) backwards type articles is sent to subeditors who lay out
         | pages (using fixed type for headlines and including photos)
         | 
         | 7) a papermache-like substrate is heat pressed on to the flat
         | page producing a positive image
         | 
         | 8) the substrate is bent into a half cylinder and a negative
         | version is cast in to metal
         | 
         | 9) the half cylinder is bolted to the main press along with the
         | half cylinder for the facing page
         | 
         | 10) the press rolls making positive images and collating all
         | the papers from the different rollers into newpapers
         | 
         | So for the record
         | positive->negative->positive->negative->positive to make a hot
         | metal paper
        
       | mabbo wrote:
       | I was worried that this would be an article about how boilerplate
       | is never just boilerplate, how it's actually quite important and
       | we shouldn't consider it so lowly. And that's fine. That's a
       | good, valid opinion.
       | 
       | Fortunately, we are instead blessed with an etymology post, which
       | is _far_ more delightful to read, in my opinion.
        
       | effnorwood wrote:
        
       | andix wrote:
       | Interesting post. But much more important question: Why is
       | boilerplate code still a thing? Either create a library or a code
       | generator. The difference of a code generator is, that you don't
       | edit the generated code, just the parameters of the generator.
       | Boilerplate code or scaffolding is just a nice word for ,,copy
       | and paste with slight modifications"
        
       | stevage wrote:
       | The article somehow jumps from defining boiler plate (the metal)
       | to its use as slang in printing. Is there a bit missing?
        
       | deafpolygon wrote:
       | It's the nameplate, not the actual boiler plate itself that gets
       | affixed to every boiler. It was eventually required by law, but
       | most manufacturers were already doing it.
       | 
       | This is where the term comes from in printing (the boilerplate
       | was the required details for every page that didn't get changed).
       | 
       | Then the same was used in code (we used the printing concept of
       | 'boilerplate'), the required element for code in order to get
       | started with a project.
        
       | mewse-hn wrote:
       | Hilarious the computer programmers in here who know the _actual_
       | etymology of the term like they were around 100 years ago when
       | the term spread from printing presses to the legal field
        
       | v3ss0n wrote:
       | What a coincidence, I was just thinking about it this morning,
       | but too lazy to Google. NOW this shows up on HN and it's not on
       | Facebook.
       | 
       | What trickery is that?
        
         | artificialLimbs wrote:
         | Hivemind is the meme terminology.
         | 
         | You might look up Jung's 'sychronicity'.
        
       | dsr_ wrote:
       | The once-popular HTML editor HoTMetaL was named after a different
       | part of that process, once someone noted that the letters lined
       | up nicely.
        
       | Eumenes wrote:
       | I read a book on the American Civil War and the term
       | 'boilerplate' was used often to describe how the Confederate Navy
       | would reinforce barges and steamboats with boilerplate to convert
       | them into military vessels. It was also used to construct an
       | early submarine:
       | https://www.history.navy.mil/research/underwater-archaeology...
        
         | js8 wrote:
         | ..and later, armies of lawyers were reinforcing their contracts
         | with boilerplate.
        
           | millzlane wrote:
           | Ahhh one of those Iron-Clad Contracts.
        
         | simonh wrote:
         | But in that case they were literally using actual boiler plate,
         | it wasn't a euphemism, as in the linked article the submarine
         | was constructed out of boiler plate.
        
           | bell-cot wrote:
           | Why: Making any sort of thick, strong plate metal is
           | seriously non-trivial, both in terms of the manufacturing
           | facility required, and the metallurgical expertise to
           | actually do it. The CSA had very little heavy industry
           | compared to the Union. Boiler plate (widely used, in a steam-
           | powered world) would be about the only armor-ish product that
           | the CSA could manufacture for itself. (Similar for hull
           | plates for a submarine - though boiler plate is far closer to
           | the ideal material there.)
        
             | Eumenes wrote:
             | Now I'm curious how boiler plate is made. Can't find much -
             | its all code stuff per google search. Seems like its just
             | hot rolled steel plate to a certain thickness.
        
               | bell-cot wrote:
               | IANAM (...Not A Metallurgist), but this looks
               | plausible...(if extremely simplified):
               | 
               | https://steelplates.in/how-to-manufacture-steel-plates-
               | sheet...
               | 
               | From vague memory, the two huge issues for armor plate
               | (especially ~150 years ago) are:
               | 
               | - Having the extremely heavy equipment needed to roll
               | very thick plates. ~Nothing except warship armor was
               | anything resembling that thick, for such equipment to
               | even have been developed previously.
               | 
               | - The specialized metallurgy & treatments needed to make
               | "hard" armor. Iron/steel plate for other purposes
               | (boilers, etc.) was optimized for physical properties
               | which bore very little resemblance to "resistant to
               | penetration by high velocity cannon balls".
        
       | nine_k wrote:
       | Well, etymology is fun, but look, the post describes an early
       | mechanism for inclusion of laid-out third-party content into a
       | page! It's like having #include or <iframe> on a newspaper page
       | from 1900.
        
       | Eleison23 wrote:
       | Let's just put this in real-world terms we all can understand
       | here. If I sign up to an MMORPG and I'm outfitting my Paladin,
       | should I choose the "boiler plate mail"? Does a space matter?
        
       | hprotagonist wrote:
       | Relatedly, see the etymology for "stereotype" and "cliche":
       | 
       | https://www.etymonline.com/word/stereotype
       | 
       |  _1798, "method of printing from a plate," from French stereotype
       | (adj.) "printed by means of a solid plate of type," from Greek
       | stereos "solid" (see stereo-) + French type "type" (see type
       | (n.)). Meaning "a stereotype plate" is from 1817. Meaning "image
       | perpetuated without change" is first recorded 1850, from the verb
       | in this sense._
       | 
       | https://www.etymonline.com/word/cliche
       | 
       |  _1825, "electrotype, stereotype," from French cliche, a
       | technical word in printer's jargon for "stereotype block," noun
       | use of past participle of clicher "to click" (18c.), supposedly
       | echoic of the sound of a mold striking metal (compare native
       | click)._
        
         | Sharlin wrote:
         | Indeed it may be surprising that "stereo sound" (and later
         | analogues like "stereo vision") have nothing, etymologically,
         | to do with having two channels; it was essentially introduced
         | as a marketing term referring to the more "solid" or tangible
         | sensory quality compared to single-channel sound.
        
           | jacobsimon wrote:
           | I think stereo vision predates the usage in sound, and refers
           | more to the 3D depth perception of shapes that it allows.
           | Stereography was invented sometime in the mid 1800s [1].
           | Stereo sound similarly is meant to give a more realistic
           | perception of sound in space compared to mono.
           | 
           | 1. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/sterographs-
           | origin...
        
             | Sharlin wrote:
             | Oops, very good point. I forgot that stereograms were a
             | thing already in the 1800s (being indeed a rather obvious
             | application of photography).
        
         | nordsieck wrote:
         | I think the explanation of stereotype needs a bit of
         | explanation to make sense.
         | 
         | In early printing, a plate would be assembled from individual
         | letters of type before it was used for printing. However, it
         | quickly became apparent that certain words or phrases were used
         | a lot, so typesetters would create "a solid plate of type" for
         | those words or phrases to speed up the typesetting process.
        
           | kragen wrote:
           | no, this is talking about a solid page-sized plate of type,
           | not phrase-sized plate of type
           | 
           | before the stereotype process, you printed from the
           | individual letters of type, as people still do today for
           | flyers
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_%28printing%29
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterpress_printing
        
           | alricb wrote:
           | Nah, I think it refers to the fact that popular printing
           | items, like the Bible or popular books that stayed in print
           | more or less indefinitely would be stereotyped, that is an
           | imprint of the pages would be taken, then a used as a mold to
           | cast a plate that could be used while the type slugs could be
           | re-used for something else.
           | 
           | A large part of the printing business was to print fill-in-
           | the-blank business stationary, like orders, invoices, etc.
           | 
           | So a stereotype came to mean a standard form that you could
           | adapt to whatever context by just changing a few details.
        
         | nicioan wrote:
         | nit: type actually originates from the Greek word tupos
         | https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/tupos (Google definition's
         | origin based on oxford dict also confirms that).
        
       | weitzj wrote:
       | I had a really dumb look on my face when I realized what a
       | firmware is:
       | 
       | hardware - firmware - software
        
       | IIAOPSW wrote:
       | I've been assuming it has to do with a boiler room operation. You
       | know. The sort of dodgy business posing as a whole team with an
       | office based out of a prestigious locale, but its actually just
       | one guy renting out the basement boiler room so he can use that
       | address without technically lying. He sends the same form letter
       | (possibly a scam) to thousands of potential "clients" per day,
       | changing only the name but keeping it worded as if the addressee
       | was the special object of consideration.
        
       | butterNaN wrote:
       | > Now that Twitter is on a downward spiral I'm rewriting my
       | favorite tweetstorms in a more permanent medium,
       | 
       | This is much welcomed! Too many interesting things I missed
       | because they were presented in a fragmented series of thoughts on
       | twitter. I would just never open those links because the
       | experience was jarring. If twitter chaos means people joining the
       | article writers crowd, what a gain!
        
       | scarecrowbob wrote:
       | This might be an interesting sidebar:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_(spaceflight)
       | 
       | The origin of the term in spaceflight (according to the wiki, at
       | least) is that they were literally constructing full-size / full-
       | weight mock ups of capsules from steel:
       | 
       | "The term boilerplate originated from the use of boilerplate
       | steel[3] for the construction of test articles/mock-ups.
       | Historically, during the development of the Little Joe series of
       | 7 launch vehicles, there was only one actual boilerplate capsule
       | and it was called such since its conical section was made of
       | steel at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard. This capsule was used in a
       | beach abort test, and then subsequently used in the LJ1A flight.
       | However, the term subsequently came to be used for all the
       | prototype capsules (which in their own right were nearly as
       | complicated as the orbital capsules). This usage was technically
       | incorrect, as those other capsules were not made of boilerplate,
       | but the boilerplate term had effectively been
       | genericized.[citation needed]"
        
       | ecolonsmak wrote:
       | In the 19th century, a boilerplate referred to a plate of steel
       | used as a template in the construction of steam boilers. These
       | standardized metal plates reminded editors of the often trite and
       | unoriginal work that ad writers and others sometimes submitted
       | for publication.
        
         | Zigurd wrote:
         | Without further research, my impression of where that term
         | originated was in drafting contracts: The parts, like
         | confidentiality, that are standardized and a component of most
         | contracts, are the "boilerplate," in contrast with the parts,
         | like a statement of work, that are specific to a particular
         | contract. Did it jump from writing, in general, to legal
         | contract drafting?
        
           | larrik wrote:
           | I think "boilerplate code" came from the legal term, but the
           | article dives deeper to figure out where the legal system got
           | it in the first place.
        
       | ConnorCallahan wrote:
       | Why is twitter in a downward spiral?
        
         | Moctogo wrote:
         | It really is not. If anything, the experience has improved in
         | the last couple of days. There seems to be a surprisingly big
         | subset of the population that hates Elon Musk and thinks he can
         | do no good. It as if they want Twitter to fail just so they can
         | be vindicated.
        
           | carvking wrote:
           | And they keep calling him stupid. It is actually quite
           | entertaining.
        
       | bell-cot wrote:
       | My quick take - think of mid-nineteenth-century foundries and
       | machine shops. Generally very small-scale, ~zero automation, no
       | mass production. Almost every non-trivial thing (say, a little
       | steam engine) that they made would involve a lot of castings,
       | followed by a whole lot of steps where skilled machinists would
       | cut, turn (on a lathe), drill, polish, rivet, etc. the castings,
       | to make the finished product.
       | 
       | In that context, making metal plates for (steam) boilers would be
       | one of the dullest and most repetitive work sorts of work that
       | they'd do.
        
       | asmithmd1 wrote:
       | Being a mechanical engineer by training, I always assumed it had
       | come from the requirement that all boilers must have a nameplate
       | affixed with a bunch of not really useful information about how
       | it was tested. The hot water heater in your house has a boiler
       | nameplate, and nuclear power plants have a "nameplate" rated
       | capacity:
       | 
       | https://www.nei.org/resources/statistics/us-nuclear-plant-ow...
        
         | thescriptkiddie wrote:
         | I had always assumed that it referred to the practice of making
         | mock-ups or stand-ins out of cheap steel in the aerospace
         | industry.
         | 
         | https://afspacemuseum.org/artifacts/apollo-boilerplate-capsu...
        
         | pvg wrote:
         | Regulation requiring these is newer than the term 'boilerplate'
         | which was used to describe the boiler-making material.
         | 
         | https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=boilerplate
         | 
         | And the OED on the original 'boiler plate'
         | 
         |  _1. Usually as two words. A plate or sheet of metal of
         | suitable thickness and strength to be used in constructing the
         | shell of a boiler. Also as mass noun: metal in the form of such
         | plates. Cf. boiler-iron n. at boiler n. Compounds 2.
         | 
         | 1793 Star 13 Nov. (advt.) Table of the number and dimensions of
         | Boiler Plates and weights thereof, suitable for Boilers, from
         | eight to sixteen feet and a half diameter.
         | 
         | 1860 D. K. Clark & Z. Colburn Recent Pract. Locomotive Engine
         | i. i. 1/1 The earliest recorded trials of the strength of
         | boiler-plate, are those of Mr. Fairbairn, made in 1838.
         | 
         | 1874 J. H. Collins Princ. Metal Mining (1875) xiii. 74 The
         | kibble is simply an iron bucket made of boiler plates, riveted
         | together.
         | 
         | 1915 J. Wedgwood With Machine-guns in Gallipoli i. 4 Our
         | mechanics..lined her bridges with boiler plate and leaky sand-
         | bags._
        
           | jefftk wrote:
           | I don't think any of those show that the use of "boilerplate"
           | to mean "required verbose writing" predates boiler nameplates
           | though?
        
             | Smoosh wrote:
             | A large slab of standardised content/dimensions ?
        
             | pvg wrote:
             | They don't but it explains why pre-set/cast type plates
             | that were sent ready-made to newspapers were called 'boiler
             | plate' which in turn explains the origin of 'boilerplate' a
             | lot better than the nameplate thing.
        
         | nickpinkston wrote:
         | Yea, I think this is actually the real answer, and OP is just
         | wrong.
         | 
         | Here are old and modern examples where the boilerplate is a
         | standardized plate that's filled out using punched
         | letters/numbers.
         | 
         | https://lestaret.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/boiler-3a.jpg
         | 
         | https://www.steephillequipment.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/0...
         | 
         | (am also in the MechE space)
        
           | LordDragonfang wrote:
           | Merriam Webster[1] online disagrees with you and agrees with
           | OP. That said, etymology is often contentious.
           | 
           | https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/boilerplate
        
           | karmakaze wrote:
           | This looks much more in line with programming boilerplate
           | with literal fill-in-the blanks.
           | 
           | I would say the article captures early etymology but this
           | could be why _we call it boilerplate_.
           | 
           | What I'd like to learn is the earliest computer related usage
           | of the term. Wikipedia says[0]:
           | 
           | > The term arose from the newspaper business. Columns and
           | other pieces that were distributed by print syndicates were
           | sent to subscribing newspapers in the form of prepared
           | printing plates. Because of their resemblance to the metal
           | plates used in the making of boilers, they became known as
           | "boiler plates", and their resulting text--"boilerplate
           | text". As the stories that were distributed by boiler plates
           | were usually "fillers" rather than "serious" news, the term
           | became synonymous with unoriginal, repeated text.[2][3]
           | 
           | > A related term is bookkeeping code, referring to code that
           | is not part of the business logic but is interleaved with it
           | in order to keep data structures updated or handle secondary
           | aspects of the program.
           | 
           | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_code#Origin
        
             | fumeux_fume wrote:
             | At a certain point, the slang term "boilerplate" branched
             | away from the derogatory sense in reference to newspapers
             | to the more neutral sense of formulaic. The first "neutral"
             | sense reference in the OED is from 1949:
             | 
             | Navy Contract Law (U.S. Bureau Naval Personnel) ix. 212/2
             | -- "This type of clause has proved so valuable that it is
             | presently standard 'boilerplate' not only in shipbuilding
             | contracts but also in almost every kind of contract."
             | 
             | The first reference in the OED for it being used w/r/t
             | computer stuff is 1990:
             | 
             | L. Wall & R. L. Schwartz Programming Perl vii. 379 -- "Like
             | mus itself, man2mus is not 100% effective, but can save you
             | a lot of time producing the initial boilerplate."
        
               | a_t48 wrote:
               | The actual man2mus program appears to be not accessible
               | to the easily searchable public internet anymore, but
               | there's a few references to it - "usub/man2mus A manual
               | page to .mus translator". It's Perl, apparently.
               | 
               | Neat.
        
           | ergonaught wrote:
           | Assumptions are immaterial, however. Etymology of the term is
           | as noted in the article. It is more likely that this use (as
           | on water heaters and such) derives from the same typesetting
           | usage.
        
             | ynniv wrote:
             | It's always satisfying to be certain, but the meaning of
             | words does shift over time, and sometimes words have
             | multiple origins. Assuming that 70s or 80s programmers knew
             | anything about printing presses is tenuous. Given the long
             | assumption that boilerplate refers to plates on equipment
             | and superior fit of "fill in the blank" documents, it seems
             | more likely that this is the intended meaning. Perhaps the
             | term was heard and misunderstood early on? But the proposed
             | origin doesn't align with the community that's using it to
             | refer to source code.
        
               | pavon wrote:
               | > Assuming that 70s or 80s programmers knew anything
               | about printing presses is tenuous
               | 
               | True, but as you say the meaning of words shift. It is
               | entirely plausible that they were exposed to the term in
               | its bureaucratic meaning, and continued to use it without
               | any connection to actual boilers - the same way we do
               | today.
        
               | dcminter wrote:
               | I remember asking my father in the 1980s what
               | "boilerplate" meant, having encountered the term in a
               | newspaper. He relayed it to me in the legal sense of the
               | preliminary standard matter on a contract. He was a
               | software developer starting in the 1960s so I have
               | absolutely no doubt that the bureacratic usage was well
               | known in those circles.
        
               | rjmunro wrote:
               | > Assuming that 70s or 80s programmers knew anything
               | about printing presses is tenuous.
               | 
               | I don't think that's the case at all. Lots of work was
               | done computerising newsrooms in that period.
        
               | kgwgk wrote:
               | I find more likely that the programming "boilerplate"
               | comes from the legal "boilerplate".
        
               | ergonaught wrote:
               | The replies seem confused.
               | 
               | No one ever called it "boilerplate code" for any reason
               | having to do with boilers or typesetting or water
               | heaters.
               | 
               | It's a language idiom. It entered common use through
               | reasonably well documented avenues, and that is via
               | typesetting.
               | 
               | We use it because that's just how language works. All
               | these "it makes more sense to me if it referred to such
               | and such" misunderstand language.
        
         | usrusr wrote:
         | Not a mechanical engineer, but similar assumptions. Chances are
         | the term wouldn't have become a fixture in software jargon
         | without that folk etymology. I'm genuinely surprised that it's
         | quite literally about copy/paste, and not about formalities at
         | all!
        
           | jalk wrote:
           | I have only ever known boiler plate code as that kind of code
           | that is needed to stitch things together, initialize
           | libraries and so on. So not exactly copy/paste, but rather
           | "formulaic" code that has not yet been deemed worthy of an
           | abstraction
        
       | stewx wrote:
       | Funny. Our professor told us it was called that because a boiler
       | plate is something you cook on, like a griddle or hot plate. You
       | can't cook your food until that basic element is in place.
        
       | froggertoaster wrote:
       | > Now that Twitter is on a downward spiral
       | 
       | If you open your article with hyperbole, don't be surprised if I
       | take the rest of the article with a huge grain of salt.
        
         | xdennis wrote:
         | I don't agree that it's a hyperbole. A hyperbole is something
         | ridiculous like "I'm so hungry I could eat 1000 pizzas" which
         | is physically impossible.
         | 
         | Twitter _is_ on shaky ground. Maybe it will recover and soar,
         | but it's not an exaggeration that it could spiral down.
        
       | aninteger wrote:
       | > Now that Twitter is on a downward spiral I'm rewriting my
       | favorite tweetstorms in a more permanent medium
       | 
       | Thank you!
        
       | 6gvONxR4sf7o wrote:
       | > The author says that because of boilerplate, "brains have been
       | at a discount" and "the editorial needs have chiefly been a
       | strong right arm and an axe"
       | 
       | It's remarkable to see a sentiment that's so common in the
       | internet era showing up in 1894.
       | 
       | Today, you'd probably phrase it as 'we're in an attention economy
       | due to boilerplate' or 'the signal to noise ratio is worse due to
       | boilerplate' or something (with modern 'boilerplate' being
       | electronic rather than mechanical).
        
         | marcosdumay wrote:
         | > It's remarkable to see a sentiment that's so common in the
         | internet era showing up in 1894.
         | 
         | There is a famous ancient Greek quote, that AFAIK nobody can
         | agree on the author with basically the same sentiment. The
         | written word surely destroyed our civilization.
        
           | LAC-Tech wrote:
           | But it's a logical fallacy to assume that just because he was
           | wrong about writing, that others are wrong about more modern
           | media.
        
             | marcosdumay wrote:
             | Oh, you'll need extra evidence if you want to even conclude
             | that Socrates (thanks, HPsquared) was wrong.
             | 
             | It's just that the GGP though it was funny that the
             | sentiment was as old as the 19th century. I'm just pointing
             | that it was older.
        
           | HPsquared wrote:
           | Socrates on writing (verbally, as Socrates famously didn't
           | write anything himself):
           | 
           | "For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds
           | of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice
           | their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external
           | characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage
           | the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an
           | elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your
           | pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they
           | will read many things without instruction and will therefore
           | seem to know many things, when they are for the most part
           | ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise,
           | but only appear wise."
           | 
           | It's a lot like what people say now about the internet,
           | Google etc.
        
         | skykooler wrote:
         | Reminds me of this xkcd comic: https://xkcd.com/1227
        
       | dr-detroit wrote:
        
       | ZeroGravitas wrote:
       | These are sometimes referred to as "dead metaphors" when you lose
       | the mental connection to what originally inspired it:
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_metaphor
        
         | AdmiralAsshat wrote:
         | I wonder if we could add "record scratch noise" into the dead
         | metaphors category, or if we'd need to make a new category for
         | audio relics instead of written ones.
        
           | pinusc wrote:
           | I'd say that metaphor not quite dead yet. A few generations
           | are younger than CDs, but vinyl still appears in a lot of pop
           | culture (in no small part thanks to nostalgia). I'd wager
           | most teens would know that the vinyl scratch sound is indeed
           | from vinyl, even though most would never have touched a vinyl
           | disc. Dead media, but the metaphor is still fresh enough...
        
         | pedrow wrote:
         | "Bootstrap" from which we get "booting up" and "reboot" is
         | another one[0]
         | 
         | [0]: https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=bootstrap
        
           | stevage wrote:
           | Ah that one is only semi dead for me. Hadn't realised that
           | bootstraps weren't the same as bootlaces though.
        
         | jxf wrote:
         | What a neat little reference. I love finding out that someone,
         | somewhere, has taken the time to put a little sticker on
         | something and say "I think I'll call this idea X".
        
           | bdcp wrote:
           | You should name that phenomenon
        
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