[HN Gopher] Adding a hinge to a Game Boy that God never intended
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       Adding a hinge to a Game Boy that God never intended
        
       Author : spansoa
       Score  : 336 points
       Date   : 2022-11-15 18:16 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | smrtinsert wrote:
       | Gorgeous, but I'm throwing money at my monitor and nothing is
       | happening.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | 1letterunixname wrote:
       | An intended one: Super Game Boy is an adapter cart for the SNES
       | that has a GB CPU (Sharp LR35902 - 8080-like) inside.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Game_Boy
        
       | Felger wrote:
       | I'm always amazed and impressed by the amount of effort and
       | energy needed for those ultimately "useless" (said not in a
       | sarcastic way) personnal projects... I personnaly absolutely
       | can't muster so much efforts for almost anything. And sooo would
       | love to be able to...
       | 
       | Documenting being a major drag.
        
       | eisbaw wrote:
       | Samsung Gameboy.
       | 
       | Hopefully this doesn't have builtin ads ;)
        
       | jansan wrote:
       | Just to confirm that I understand this correctly, that clear case
       | is really 3D printed? I don't follow 3D printing too closely, but
       | I did not think that something like this would be possible.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | 1MachineElf wrote:
         | I did not think so either, although, SLA is the one method I'd
         | guess, if I had to, just going by the main picture. SLA is
         | indeed the process they used, but what really surprised me was
         | that it's offered as a 3D printing service from JLPCB and
         | PCBWay.
        
           | echeese wrote:
           | I don't get how they got it so clear and without support
           | marks.
        
           | kube-system wrote:
           | Did some searching because I was impressed with the quality
           | as well, and I think they may technically be using polyjet
           | instead of SLA.
        
           | javawizard wrote:
           | Yeah this is definitely an SLA print. SLA is capable of
           | amazing quality with respect to both dimensional tolerances
           | and overall appearance of finished product.
           | 
           | I've been on the fence about getting one. This post might be
           | the thing that pushes me over the edge.
           | 
           | HN readers: what SLA printers do you recommend?
        
             | skykooler wrote:
             | I have an Epax 3D and I've been pretty satisfied with it,
             | although it does have a pretty small build area.
        
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             | johnwalkr wrote:
             | We had a form labs printer at work and while the resolution
             | was great, it was very messy to deal with, parts were
             | brittle, curing took a long time, support structure was
             | annoying to remove (and very time consuming to remove
             | traces of), and over weeks or months most parts with any
             | significant feature longer in one dimension warped. I don't
             | think anyone used it once as soon as we got an FDM printer.
        
               | javawizard wrote:
               | > and over weeks or months most parts with any
               | significant feature longer in one dimension warped
               | 
               | That's alarming. How bad are we talking about, like
               | millimeters or fractions thereof?
               | 
               | I really, really like the appearance of the case from TFA
               | and would love to build similar enclosures for my
               | projects, but if that comes at the expense of noticeable
               | long term dimensional instability, no thanks.
        
             | BoorishBears wrote:
             | I have an SLA printer (Prusa SL1) and rarely use it
             | 
             | Unless you get an industrial printer, dimensional accuracy
             | gets messy with SLA. Slicers can try and compensate, but
             | you end up having to work around warping
             | 
             | For organic shapes like figures I'm sure it's great, but as
             | someone who prints functional items 99% of the time I'd
             | rather tune an FDM printer than fight with my messy SLA
             | machine
        
               | javawizard wrote:
               | Good to know. How bad exactly would you say accuracy is?
               | Are we talking about a few hundreds of micrometers or a
               | millimeter or more?
        
               | BoorishBears wrote:
               | Tenths of a millimeter not much worse than FDM in
               | vacuum... the problem is those tenths vary based on shape
               | (even more than with FDM), and can be non-uniform across
               | a surface (flat surfaces tend to end up warped pretty
               | easily)
        
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         | drewzero1 wrote:
         | I've just been getting started with FDM printing since this
         | summer, and after getting to know the limitations of my printer
         | I'm even more amazed at the smoothness and resolution that some
         | resin printers are getting. (I've even heard of people starting
         | to print optical lenses[0], which I can hardly imagine.) You
         | can really see the difference in resolution in the image with
         | the different bottom shell!
         | 
         | 0: https://www.cuddleburrito.com/blog/2015/10/13/3d-printing-
         | vi...
        
           | vintagedave wrote:
           | > heard of people starting to print
           | 
           | That article is dated 2015! If they could do that seven years
           | ago, what is state of the art now?
        
           | sdenton4 wrote:
           | Note that the lenses do require extra work after the initial
           | printing: "Finally, endless sanding and polishing created a
           | clear-enough lens."
        
         | adamweld wrote:
         | It's SLA resin printed by PCBWay.
         | 
         | https://www.pcbway.com/rapid-prototyping/3d-printing/plastic...
        
       | deergomoo wrote:
       | I absolutely adore the Game Boy modding scene that's exploded in
       | the last few years.
       | 
       | Case overhauls like this or the Boxypixel slab pictured in the
       | article, numerous backlit high-res IPS screen replacements, mods
       | to improve sound, Li-ion battery packs with USB charging. And
       | that's to say nothing of Analogue or the MiSTer project, creating
       | full FPGA reimplementations of the hardware.
       | 
       | It's a really cool example of what some very creative and
       | passionate people can do with commodity technology. The only
       | downside is it's actually becoming quite pricey to get original
       | hardware.
        
         | lapetitejort wrote:
         | Retro Future on YouTube has made some similarly cursed builds,
         | such as the original GBA but with a hinged screen for some
         | reason, and double screen GBA SP (it shows the same image on
         | two screens).
        
         | doublepg23 wrote:
         | Completely agree. It's a really cool scene and inspired me to
         | collect some old Gameboys.
        
         | derefr wrote:
         | I love it too, though I wish that along with it there was
         | renewed interest in Gameboy game development. There are GB
         | game-jams, but more-often-than-not the results of those just
         | languish in obscurity rather than seeing any community
         | attention; and so there's no incentive to put any polish into
         | these titles. (There's nobody trying to make anything like
         | David Murray's Planet X3 for the GB scene.)
         | 
         | I feel like something that would really kick such an ecosystem
         | off, would be some sort of wi-fi-enabled GB/GBC flash-cart,
         | which boots to Mario-Maker-like UX for downloading, playing,
         | and reviewing (liking/disliking, making playlists of, etc)
         | bite-sized GB/GBC experiences from a community-maintained cloud
         | service; where the supply side of that cloud service would be
         | easy upload integration with tools like GB Studio.
        
           | hnlmorg wrote:
           | There's loads of homebrew Gameboy games released each year.
           | One of my friends reviews games and receives lots of new GB
           | and GBA titles.
           | 
           | You can also get GB carts that support SD card. I appreciate
           | you're describing a more complete, end to end, UX but we can
           | already do everything right up to inserting the SD card into
           | the Gameboy cart. With Gameboy emulation as good as it is,
           | you could do away with original hardware for 99% of players
           | too (though for me, the joy of retro gaming is using the
           | original hardware. But I'd never look down on anyone who
           | preferred emulation).
        
         | kjkjadksj wrote:
         | Sadly the original hardware is slowly degrading over time.
         | Nintendo DS lite screens for example are all yellowing at this
         | age. Buttons suffer too, my gameboy color is just a paperweight
         | now because the buttons hardly register a press. Maybe these
         | issues can be repaired but I'm not skilled with a soldering
         | iron which is a big requirement it seems.
        
           | 22c wrote:
           | It's relatively easy to learn soldering basics, and even if
           | you're not good at soldering, it's pretty forgiving
           | (especially on older hardware where the components aren't so
           | finicky).
        
           | bennysonething wrote:
           | I bought a no solder IPS screen for gameboy color. Think I
           | bought the kit off eBay, it came with a new case and buttons
           | too. It's pretty great! (And if I can do it anyone can)
        
           | amiga-workbench wrote:
           | The GBC is quite easy to disassemble (If you have one of
           | Nintendo's silly triwing screwdrivers). Give the pads under
           | the buttons a rub with some isopropyl, and at an extreme buy
           | some new conductive silicone pads for about PS8 online.
           | 
           | No soldering required to get you back up and running.
        
       | vlunkr wrote:
       | This is awesome. I miss hinges. The Switch is great, but I loved
       | being able to throw my sp or ds into a bag or pocket without
       | worrying about scratching it.
        
         | kibwen wrote:
         | Now that folding-screen smartphones are a thing that actually
         | exist on the market, it's not entirely impossible to imagine
         | that the next Switch could be foldable like the SP. :P
        
           | gambiting wrote:
           | At the pace Nintendo adopts new technologies, maybe in 20
           | years ;-)
        
       | glonq wrote:
       | Divine intentions notwithstanding, I think the author intended to
       | say "Adding a hinge that God never intended to a Game Boy"
        
       | jollyllama wrote:
       | >Purely in terms of industrial design, I don't think a Nintendo
       | handheld has matched the elegance of the SP.
       | 
       | 100%.
       | 
       | Awesome post.
        
         | qbasic_forever wrote:
         | The SP was pretty painful to hold and use for long times in my
         | experience. The shoulder buttons were particularly hard to hit
         | comfortably. The original GBA horizontal design is my favorite
         | and most comfortable. Swap it to a nice backlit LCD or even
         | OLED and it would be perfect.
        
           | jollyllama wrote:
           | GBA wasn't bad but it was bulkier to carry on your person.
           | The portability of the SP was killer and the beautiful LCD
           | screen was protected in your bag or pocket.
           | 
           | As far as ergonomics, it wasn't so bad. For more action
           | oriented games, it could be a bit tiring, but for Pokemon it
           | was the perfect machine.
        
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         | uni_rule wrote:
         | I think the relative peak was the micro's black and silver
         | (either way) design, personally.
        
         | kjkjadksj wrote:
         | Ds Lite imo is even better. Its thinner so it fits easier in
         | the pocket even though its wider. You put in a flashcart with a
         | 32gb micro sd and now you can store every game worth playing
         | from the nds, gba, gbc, gb, snes, nes, sega genesis, various
         | ataris and other early game systems. It has the longest battery
         | life for a nintendo handheld I believe. Plus I find it pretty
         | comfortable in adult hands still, definitely moreso than the
         | nintendo switch.
        
           | purpleflame1257 wrote:
           | The one pain point on the DS Lite is that if you want to put
           | in an actual, physical GBA cartridge it sticks out.
           | Everything else is great.
        
           | jollyllama wrote:
           | Good point but I'd contend that the SP might have been more
           | durable. I'm not sure. Either way, I liked the weight of it
           | over the DS lite. Both great devices though.
        
       | padobson wrote:
       | I like that the title implies that Gunpei Yokoi[0] is God.
       | 
       | [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpei_Yokoi
        
       | BoorishBears wrote:
       | I lived down the block from that NYU makerspace and walked my dog
       | past it every day.
       | 
       | I'm also a self-taught dev who's wanted to go back to college and
       | get a degree for posterity.
       | 
       | So naturally applying to NYU made sense, get started on the
       | education stuff I was putting off, get access to a really cool
       | makerspace, etc. I talked to someone from admissions at the
       | school, learned more about the process, but then we got to
       | pricing and the fact I wouldn't qualify for assistance... well it
       | turned out it was practically unaffordable for me, a senior SWE
       | in NYC making a "FAANG-like" salary.
       | 
       | I say "practically" because technically I could pay it, but to
       | what end? I'd be looking at over 150k over the next two years for
       | a simple bachelors with no appreciable change to my career
       | trajectory.
       | 
       | -
       | 
       | It really blew my mind. I was making what their graduates can
       | expect to make years out of school and the math wasn't working,
       | how is it supposed to work for someone coming out of high school?
       | 
       | The cynic in me would look at that makerspace that easily had
       | *40k in Ultimakers that never actually seemed to be printing
       | anything peeking out the window and think "is this what they're
       | paying for?", but I guess on the flip side you get things like
       | this post?
       | 
       | * Actually I went and looked at an old picture, I only counted 8
       | or so in view of the window...
        
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         | hancholo wrote:
         | If I may ask... what specialization are you in? and is it the
         | same thing you started off in? I've been thinking of pivoting
         | and have narrowed it down to 1-3 niches, but also don't have a
         | degree but currently working in a FAANG company.
        
         | rhacker wrote:
         | What are you complaining about?
        
           | jsight wrote:
           | Presumably the amazing high cost of education and how it
           | isn't always being used efficiently.
        
           | BoorishBears wrote:
           | The idea that schools get to use 18 year olds as unsecured
           | loans to build out extravagant facilities.
           | 
           | Then those 18 year olds grow up, can't pay back the loan, so
           | the government uses bailing them out as a political
           | bargaining chip.
        
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         | 999900000999 wrote:
         | What's the point of this, you can easily go to cheaper school
         | and pay about 10K a year. Software Engineering is a fields
         | where you don't even need a degree to be honest. I know at
         | least 2 colleagues who make much more than me without degrees.
         | 
         | Just make side projects.
         | 
         | Or spend a bit more , go to UC Berkeley and you can attend one
         | of the best CS schools in the world. Just live in California
         | for a year to get residency first
        
           | BoorishBears wrote:
           | That's my whole point, I don't have a degree and it's been a
           | long time since that came up.
           | 
           | In my most recent position I got an offer before the
           | recruiter found out I didn't have a degree: We were making
           | small talk waiting for someone to join the call and they
           | offhandedly asked where I went to school... I didn't.
           | 
           | -
           | 
           | So with that in mind, how are they justifying their value
           | over those cheaper (or free) options? With an expensive
           | makerspace? Pedigree? (as you point out there are cheaper
           | schools of a similar calibre)
           | 
           | To me it doesn't add up and something has to give at some
           | point. I've long felt that if we get student loan relief, it
           | _must_ come with tightening the purse strings on the tuition
           | side by downsizing how much the government is willing to
           | finance per student.
           | 
           | The schools are using the money for everything from vanity
           | projects to real-estate plays, that needs to stop.
        
             | 999900000999 wrote:
             | If people want to pay for prestige let them.
             | 
             | For the most part you either should logically come from
             | money or get a scholarship. At 18 your free to ruin your
             | life in a variety of ways ,college isn't the worst.
        
       | nsxwolf wrote:
       | I never liked the SP form factor. It's too cramped. The original
       | GBA is absolutely perfect. It's like a DS without the weight of
       | the top screen. It's too bad it couldn't have had the SP 101
       | model backlit screen.
       | 
       | One of these days I'll do that mod.
        
         | hazn wrote:
         | Personally, I find the gameboy advance sp one of the slickest
         | designs ever. You could say that the sp is one of the most
         | iterated on designs in later nintendo products
        
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       | danesparza wrote:
       | Thank you for this detailed article. I don't have a Game boy (and
       | don't intend to start). But man o man. Articles like this remind
       | me of why I being a geek. Thanks.
        
       | sho_hn wrote:
       | > _Another thing I learned about myself: I kinda like being old.
       | I recently turned 41 and sure, my back hurts all the time and I'm
       | going grey, but I have enough experience and domain knowledge at
       | this point that picking up CAD and PCB design over the summer
       | isn't that big a deal. It feels nice to reap the rewards of all
       | of my experience._
       | 
       | Lovely quote.
        
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       | hanniabu wrote:
       | Documenting all this seems more daunting than the actual
       | conversion
        
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