[HN Gopher] Being OK with not being extraordinary (2021)
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       Being OK with not being extraordinary (2021)
        
       Author : xrayarx
       Score  : 118 points
       Date   : 2022-11-22 07:52 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | freedude wrote:
       | "I feel disappointed, jealous." Perhaps this is why you don't
       | understand what being extraordinary is all about. I didn't get
       | where I was by feeling sorry for myself. I spent the time and
       | energy learning where I failed and remediating that failure. That
       | is really what has become the definition of extraordinary.
       | Continuing on when the average person quits.
       | 
       | The author touches on this when she says, "Extraordinary should
       | not be the end goal." This is very true. The goal is the
       | satisfaction of a job well done.
       | 
       | By adding up enough repeats of the satisfactions of a job well
       | done you will find yourself extraordinary at something. If you
       | complete a task and you don't get that satisfaction of a job well
       | done then re-evaluate the process and fix it for the future.
       | 
       | I only have 25 years of experience at enjoying the satisfaction
       | of a job well done. Look for extraordinary people in your life
       | and ask them how they started and what made them better at what
       | makes them extraordinary.
       | 
       | Remember: Keep up the good work.
        
       | avg_dev wrote:
       | i enjoyed the article. i believe the gist of it is true in my
       | life.
       | 
       | ive been partial to this poem since i discovered it:
       | https://twitter.com/nktgill/status/1550429172786515968
       | 
       | i will reproduce it here.
       | 
       | Do Not Ask Your Children to Strive
       | 
       | Do not ask your children
       | 
       | to strive for extraordinary lives.
       | 
       | Such striving may seem admirable,
       | 
       | but it is the way of foolishness.
       | 
       | Help them instead to find the wonder
       | 
       | and the marvel of an ordinary life.
       | 
       | Show them the joy of tasting
       | 
       | tomatoes, apples and pears.
       | 
       | Show them how to cry
       | 
       | when pets and people die.
       | 
       | Show them the infinite pleasure
       | 
       | in the touch of a hand.
       | 
       | And make the ordinary come alive for them.
       | 
       | The extraordinary will take care of itself.
       | 
       | - William Martin
        
         | somethoughts wrote:
         | Reminds me of the School of Life - Why an Ordinary Life Can Be
         | a Good Life by Alan De Botton
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVZVCbicTg
        
         | HideousKojima wrote:
         | I think Lynyrd Skynyrd put it best in _Simple Man_ :
         | 
         | Mama told me when I was young Come sit beside me my only son
         | And listen closely to what I say And if you do this it'll help
         | you Some sunny day oh yeah
         | 
         | Oh take your time don't live too fast Troubles will come and
         | they will pass Go find a woman yeah and you'll find love And
         | don't forget son there is someone up above
         | 
         | And be a simple kind of man Oh be something you love and
         | understand Baby be a simple kind of man Oh won't you do this
         | for me son if you can
         | 
         | Forget your lust for the rich man's gold All that you need is
         | in your soul And you can do this oh babe if you try All that I
         | want for you my son is to be satisfied
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | jll29 wrote:
       | One thing that the media are biased towards are the top-athletes,
       | top-scientists, genius programmers etc.
       | 
       | They do that because we all enjoy reading about them, and there's
       | nothing wrong with that as such.
       | 
       | But just don't expect to be in any of these groups automatically,
       | certainly don't feel pressurized that you ought to. But by any
       | means if you're passionate about something, try hard to master it
       | as best you can, with your focus on the passion for the activity
       | and not the "must-be-#1-at-all-cost". Chances are you might
       | become the #1 by focusing on the activity, not comparing yourself
       | with others all the time.
       | 
       | Alan Rusbridger, the former Guardian editor-in-chief, wrote a
       | lovely little book about his aspiration to be an amateur pianist.
       | He was passionate about the piano, but realistic about his
       | limitations of it being a hobby (subordinate to his true vocation
       | of being a journalist) and not properly trained since age five
       | like the piano geniuses. But he set himself the goal to learn to
       | play one classical piece by practising regularly, as well or as
       | badly as he could master, and he eventually performed it in front
       | of friends. A real pro would probably still cringe listening to
       | him, but I admire that he took up a self-set challenge that
       | commensurate with his circumstances (prior piano skills,
       | available time), and went all in to reach his goal. That's the
       | spirit...
        
       | vouaobrasil wrote:
       | Actually, being extraordinary is something most people can do.
       | Now, by definition that seems illogical. However, here me out.
       | Most people tend to view extraordinary along a single dimension:
       | really good at math, or really good at running. In this one-
       | dimensional view, most people can't be extraordinary.
       | 
       | However, you can be extraordinary in your own unique way. For
       | example, running. You may not be the best runner, but you could
       | have a lot of insight into running and a good writer at the same
       | time, and thus be extraordinary at _writing about running_.
       | 
       | If you take the entire sum of your own unique talents, and find a
       | way to combine them properly, you can become extraordinary simply
       | by finding a new way of looking at the world, even if the
       | individual talents you have are not outstanding compared to
       | others.
       | 
       | Take programming as another example. You may be just a "good"
       | programmer, a "good" teacher, but not necessarily outstanding at
       | either. But maybe you have a third skill that will make you stand
       | out when you are teaching programming. Maybe it's your sense of
       | humour, or your ability to put people at ease, or even a talent
       | for drawing that comes out when you draw diagrams.
       | 
       | Being outstanding or extraordinary in my mind means combining
       | everything you have to be inspiring, because the proximal/end
       | result of extraordinary really is just that: having the ability
       | to inspire. Sometimes one-dimensional measurements like amount of
       | money or raw strength measure that, but sometimes they don't.
        
         | sakras wrote:
         | Wow this is superb life advice, thank you! You've given me a
         | lot of food for thought.
        
           | huzaif wrote:
           | If you would like to put that advice to practice, this book
           | will help.
           | 
           | (The Art of impossible) https://www.amazon.com/Art-
           | Impossible-Peak-Performance-Prime...
           | 
           | It guides you through discovering your mix of passions and
           | strengths to land on what you might make you uniquely
           | extraordinary.
        
         | J-_-_b wrote:
         | That's such an insightful post! That's also why I find it so
         | interesting when people career swap into engineering. They have
         | a whole lot of domain knowledge and alternative perspective
         | that can be incredible valuable.
        
         | ZephyrBlu wrote:
         | This is true, but it creates a new problem: you have to find
         | your multi-dimensional thing, which is tends to be quite
         | difficult.
        
         | pm90 wrote:
         | Agreed. This is the same principle that is often given out as
         | advice: excel at the intersection of fields rather than
         | particular ones. The combinatorics generate a pretty ginormous
         | space of possibilities to excel at even for 8 billion humans.
        
       | scrozier wrote:
       | Thanks. I've been needing this perspective lately.
        
       | quacked wrote:
       | > But I don't feel inspired when I see extraordinary. I feel
       | disappointed, jealous.
       | 
       | These are the words of a young person who was trained to see
       | everyone else's success as an implicit criticism of their own
       | ability and effort. It is not the author's fault. A mentally
       | healthy person, when shown a display of excellence, is impressed,
       | energized, and motivated.
       | 
       | I have never thought that "participation trophies" do any damage
       | to young people. Young people are smart and know that
       | participation trophies are bullshit. What actually hurt young
       | people was the constant reinforcement that "anyone can do
       | anything/anyone can be the best". The corollary of "anyone can be
       | the best" is "if you are not the best, then something is wrong
       | with you/you're not trying hard enough". Not everyone can be the
       | best; many people have genetic and network-based advantages that
       | will guarantee them better results at a skill than 99% of their
       | competitors.
       | 
       | Young people have very little free time. The time they spend
       | actually focused on their responsibilities is constantly
       | overshadowed by fear and anxiety about The Future (grades,
       | college, etc.) The remaining time they have is spent on their
       | phones and computers, which is the only reliable way to make the
       | fear and anxiety turn off for a few minutes. When they do have
       | free time for extracurriculars, they're in sports playing against
       | future D1 athletes and having metrics and social status tracked
       | against them, or in theater getting cast as extras while the good
       | roles go to the handsome kids, or in music listening to the
       | musicians' kids and the international students play like
       | professionals.
       | 
       | If you want to be okay with not being extraordinary, you need a
       | _lot_ of free time to get properly bored, and a social network
       | with which to practice your hobby completely free from the
       | judgement of The System. Practicing to try to beat a rival school
       | headed by a college-bound athlete is stressful, but practicing to
       | try and impress your friends at pickup soccer purely for fun is
       | not.
        
         | mirror_maze wrote:
         | > A mentally healthy person, when shown a display of
         | excellence, is impressed, energized, and motivated.
         | 
         | The way I've expressed this sentiment before in the context of
         | music was to find hope when I hear outstanding musicians, as my
         | thought was usually, "we now know there is at least one human
         | capable of such expression, so it's possible for us to reach
         | this level," or simply to say "such an individual does exist."
         | 
         | I think the author has deeper seated issues to deal with,
         | especially if they spend time languishing over this, and then
         | writing these posts to justify/circumvent their negative
         | emotional reactions by reframing and then echoing their
         | internal troubles to the rest of us like we need to be
         | enlightened.
        
           | quacked wrote:
           | I agree. I used to feel very jealous whenever hearing
           | superior musicians, but after a while it just becomes
           | exciting, especially when you're often playing with people
           | within the same sphere of talent as you rather than binging
           | YouTube videos of the best of the best.
           | 
           | The author does have deep-seated issues to deal with, but I
           | really don't think the author is uniquely broken. I would bet
           | that at least half of the modern western population struggles
           | with similar feelings.
        
             | mirror_maze wrote:
             | Yeah it's a blight of origins I cannot comprehend, to be
             | blunt. Upbringing? Harsh parents? Bullying? Whenever I do
             | see it however it's a self destructive force, and people
             | who have directly expressed these feelings to me before
             | often have another more sinister feeling to go with it,
             | usually in the sphere of arrogance, contempt, malice, or
             | some sort of righteous indignation that the world isn't
             | fair. Give these people the opportunity to cast others out,
             | I've little hope they would hold themselves back from
             | lashing out at those they perceive as "worse, but seen in
             | more positive light" than them.
             | 
             | Seen as such, these articles do little to show the authors
             | attempting to turn the other cheek as much as they try to
             | justify and reframe their negativity.
        
         | multjoy wrote:
         | >A mentally healthy person, when shown a display of excellence,
         | is impressed, energized, and motivated.
         | 
         | What's your definition of mentally healthy, then?
        
         | fidesomnes wrote:
        
         | verst wrote:
         | > These are the words of a young person who was trained to see
         | everyone else's success as an implicit criticism of their own
         | ability and effort. It is not the author's fault. A mentally
         | healthy person, when shown a display of excellence, is
         | impressed, energized, and motivated.
         | 
         | I don't think that's universally accurate. While this is
         | something I have observed living in the US, growing up in
         | Germany was a completely different story: The people in small
         | town Northern Germany went so far as to criticize and attack
         | you for your achievements that far surpassed what they have
         | accomplished. It appears to make them feel jealous and
         | threatened, which in their view is best dealt with by making
         | you less threatening instead of feeling inspired themselves.
        
           | _jal wrote:
           | > The people [...] went so far as to criticize and attack you
           | for your achievements
           | 
           | I've seen this personally, including from family. Actually
           | managed to get to a point with one family member where we
           | could honestly talk about it, and it was a complicated sort
           | of jealousy.
           | 
           | In their case, they correctly noted that I'm not so much
           | smarter or otherwise distinguished as to "deserve" what I've
           | accomplished so much more than them, and they felt cheated.
           | When asked why they didn't do something like what I did, it
           | came down to personal conservatism and fear. I was willing to
           | risk moving to the "big city" without support (my family is
           | poor). They were afraid to try.
           | 
           | You become evidence of their missed opportunities, and that
           | makes them angry at you. So much worse if you are childless
           | and have the temerity to be happy about it - that really
           | pisses off some of them, too.
        
           | random314 wrote:
           | Wow. In what way did they attack? Were they neighbors or
           | colleagues?
        
           | BirdieNZ wrote:
           | We call this "Tall Poppy Syndrome" in New Zealand. If you're
           | a tall poppy you get cut down to size. The only successful
           | New Zealanders that are approved of are those that elevate NZ
           | as a whole on the international stage and attribute it to the
           | country rather than their own individual talent and ability.
        
           | ozzythecat wrote:
           | > The people in small town Northern Germany went so far as to
           | criticize and attack you for your achievements that far
           | surpassed what they have accomplished.
           | 
           | Isn't this a salient feature in US culture? We attack the
           | wealthy, celebrities, politicians. I'm not saying these
           | people are saints by any means or it's completely
           | unwarranted, but the US seems to have an increasing
           | victimhood culture. It manifests in different shapes and
           | forms, but the outcome is more or less an attack on some
           | person or group of people who we consider to be relatively
           | more "privileged", and we use that to dismiss their actual
           | accomplishments or whatever good they may have also done. The
           | root of the issue is always about comparing yourself to
           | someone or some group and their accomplishments and
           | justifying one's or short comings.
           | 
           | Many of the diversity, equity, inclusion initiatives,
           | regardless of good intentions, are spin offs from this.
           | 
           | To be clear, I'm not taking a swing at the social justice
           | movements. But what I am saying is that in US culture,
           | there's definitely massive resentment of those who are
           | successful.
        
         | ip26 wrote:
         | Perhaps it should be; everyone can be the best at _something_.
         | You have to find your _something_.
         | 
         | On the whole though, the entire concept of "best" is a mess in
         | a world of eight billion. At this point it's more up to the
         | whims of the contest, and doesn't seem very correlated with
         | life outcomes. Better by far to be _one of_ the best, working
         | shoulder to shoulder with the others, and forget entirely about
         | who holds the podium.
        
           | omginternets wrote:
           | >Perhaps it should be; everyone can be the best at something.
           | You have to find your something.
           | 
           | What happens if you don't? What do you tell someone who
           | managed to find something at which they are respectably
           | competent, but not the best? Is that not sufficient?
        
           | AnimalMuppet wrote:
           | Not best, no. I can be top 10% at a few things, though. Not
           | many, but more than one.
           | 
           | Top 10% doesn't necessarily make me "extraordinary",
           | depending on how you define it. It's enough for it to be part
           | of my _something_ , though.
        
           | snapcaster wrote:
           | But this isn't true. Who is it benefitting to lie to people
           | like this?
        
             | williamcotton wrote:
             | I mean, I'm definitely not the best songwriter out there
             | but I'm definitely the best at writing songs about my own
             | life!
        
               | snapcaster wrote:
               | Oh so we're just teaching people effective coping
               | mechanisms? I guess that's fine I misunderstood the
               | comment I was responding to i think
               | 
               | edit: also probably untrue, I bet there are lots of
               | songwriters who could make songs about your life that the
               | vast majority of people would agree are better than yours
        
               | afarrell wrote:
               | Effective coping mechanisms that are reasonably grounded
               | in objective reality.
               | 
               | Whose decision is it that the other songwriters are
               | better at expressing this one dude's experiences? Thats
               | not an objective question. It is a choice.
        
               | williamcotton wrote:
               | A buddy of mine is definitely a better songwriter than I
               | am and he has in fact written a song about me!
               | 
               | It would have been sometime in the late 2000s and I was
               | visiting dear old dad in Christchurch, NZ, and my buddy
               | James, aka Lawrence Arabia was playing a gig at the
               | Wonderbar in nearby Littleton on Christmas Eve. I
               | happened to meet a nice young lady, shit you not, named
               | Eve, and we ended back at her place... her parent's
               | place. At 2am on Christmas Eve. Then her dad comes down
               | and finds us fooling around on the couch in front of the
               | tree. My ride had left hours ago so I had to call up
               | pops. Surprisingly he was very pleased with my escapades
               | and not too bothered with the wake up call.
               | 
               | Here's James's take on the event:
               | https://fabulousarabia.bandcamp.com/track/give-me-love-
               | tonig...
               | 
               | While it's a fine song, it is definitely not his best,
               | and I'm sure he'd admit that it is not as good as my
               | better ones!
               | 
               | It is, however, better than my song about that night:
               | https://williamcotton.bandcamp.com/track/eve-of-eve
               | 
               | My wife and I, complete strangers beforehand, were two of
               | maybe 15 people who went to see James play at a small bar
               | in SF about ten years ago. That dude has been getting me
               | laid for decades!
               | 
               | Anyways, unless I happen to steal a steam engine high on
               | cocaine or some other act of epic folklore there's no
               | chance in hell that some songwriter out there is ever
               | going to write a better song about my life than yours
               | truly.
               | 
               | If it somehow happened it would be an amazing honor.
        
           | etblg wrote:
           | As people growing up in Canada were reminded of repeatedly,
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6qUFm1HsI
        
           | Permit wrote:
           | > Perhaps it should be; everyone can be the best at
           | something. You have to find your something.
           | 
           | This implies there are at least 8 billion "things to be good
           | at" which I don't think is necessarily true. I suspect most
           | people are not the best at anything.
        
             | googlryas wrote:
             | Maybe there are with combinations. I might be the best
             | programmer who can do woodworking, play flamenco guitar,
             | and squat 475 lbs. I'm just waiting for that category to be
             | added to the Olympics.
        
               | ip26 wrote:
               | I think your real niche is going to be creating software
               | for luthiers that enables you to design the flamenco
               | guitar of your dreams. Critically, you discover the ideal
               | guitar body for flamenco is incredibly heavy...
        
             | moffkalast wrote:
             | True. There are far, far more things to be good at. I can
             | make up a completely new board game right now and I'll be
             | the world champion at it immediately.
             | 
             | At a slightly less extreme level, it's always possible to
             | find something niche enough that is just so obscure that
             | you can become the best by persistence alone. Maybe you're
             | the world expert on blue umbrellas manufactured in 1993.
        
               | The_Colonel wrote:
               | People don't want to be best at something for the sake of
               | it, but because it brings some perks with it -
               | recognition, fame, money. Being the best in a game which
               | literally nobody else knows is largely meaningless. I
               | mean, try it, it doesn't take much time to make up a
               | trivial game. Does it bring any kind of satisfaction to
               | know you're the best in the world (because nobody else
               | knows it)?
               | 
               | (to be fair, there is also inner satisfaction coming from
               | deep understanding and mastering of some activity, but
               | alone it's rarely enough without any external validation
               | to motivate people)
        
           | 1auralynn wrote:
           | There was a part in Isaac Asimov's autobiography that stuck
           | with me, where in high school he wasn't the best student in
           | any subject. However, he was the SECOND best at EVERY
           | subject, whereas the "best" students were only the best at
           | one subject. So I think for some people, there is value in
           | not being the "best" at anything but being good a lots of
           | things regardless of overall ranking.
        
             | etrautmann wrote:
             | This is what I've been implicitly optimizing for my whole
             | life. Breadth over depth, but applied to a field. Pretty
             | good at a lot of things to enable synthesis and creativity
             | across domains. I'm very comfortable not maxing out a
             | narrow set of sun skills, since 95% if the effort goes into
             | the last little bit if performance, and the opportunity
             | cost is then many other skills (or experiences or whatever)
        
             | myself248 wrote:
             | A jack of all trades, master of none, is oftentimes better
             | than a master of one.
        
           | afarrell wrote:
           | Or "do not compare yourself with others, for there will
           | always be greater and lesser persons than yourself."
        
             | laidoffamazon wrote:
             | Doesn't help when people like me are just terrible at
             | everything, have accomplished nothing and considered
             | subhuman by the rest of society!
             | 
             | This is a "thanks I'm cured" statement, no different from
             | saying depressed people should smile more.
        
               | afarrell wrote:
               | The statement is in fact useless. Changing your mental
               | actions is what is useful. When you notice you brain
               | doing it, then imagine you are a kind kindergarten
               | teacher guiding a child to take crayons out of his mouth.
               | Kindly tell your brain to think of something else. Then
               | patiently tell your brain again.
               | 
               | Put down the internet drama machine and go do small good
               | things in the real world.
               | 
               | ----------
               | 
               | > considered subhuman by the rest of society!
               | 
               | Unless you are literally an AI, then as a member of
               | society I can tell you that this is factually inaccurate.
               | I think you are a human.
               | 
               | I also know that there is a tiny fraction of society that
               | consider me subhuman. HP Lovecraft would be horrified by
               | my very existence. The fraction of society that calls
               | people subhuman is really bad at maintaining healthy
               | relationships and so they don't tend to hold onto power
               | so I don't care about them.
               | 
               | > just terrible at everything and have accomplished
               | nothing
               | 
               | Do you have solid evidence that this is factually
               | accurate, or does it only _feel_ true?
               | 
               | If it _feels_ true, then get up and go for a walk or roll
               | outside, occasionally doing pushups or waving your arms
               | about. That will help you see reality more clearly.
               | 
               | Also, teach yourself how to make scrambled eggs well.
               | That way when you remember the parts of your life that do
               | suck, you'll at least be able to remind yourself of your
               | ability to make scrambled eggs for someone.
        
               | cwmoore wrote:
               | Legitimately though, the act of smiling whenever you can
               | pull it off, will elevate mood. At times it isn't
               | possible. Similar with choosing instead of discovering
               | what you can excel at and flow with.
        
         | pclmulqdq wrote:
         | I guarantee that the person who wrote this article doesn't get
         | jealous of Olympic Snowboarders (to use a contrived example).
         | The jealousy comes from thinking that you are competing with
         | other people for a limited pool of money/ideas/success.
         | 
         | When people start to realize that the pool isn't limited, and
         | that you aren't actually competing with anyone else (except in
         | certain circumstances), it's a lot more freeing. You can
         | differentiate yourself, your product, or your startup along any
         | lines, and you will be unique and extraordinary. The only thing
         | that's left is finding other people who think that.
         | 
         | It's human to struggle with jealousy like this, but the
         | competition isn't reality. It's all a social construct.
        
         | mitchdoogle wrote:
         | I don't think these feelings are restricted to young people.
        
         | ozim wrote:
         | Participation trophies are not bullshit.
         | 
         | I think most damage to kids is done by people who claim
         | participation trophies are bullshit.
         | 
         | These trophies are for encouraging people to try and do
         | something and not thinking: "I am not going to win anyway so
         | why bother trying at all".
         | 
         | Kids are smart and they also know that running that 5km run and
         | finishing first is hard work. They might not be happy about
         | participation trophy but still they should be praised for the
         | effort of putting on shoes and trying.
         | 
         | There is a lot of psychology about effects of encouraging
         | positive behaviors that is misunderstood. Even if you have
         | employees it is much more effective to praise them on positive
         | behaviors than scolding them for mistakes. Because scolding for
         | mistakes will push them into direction "I am not going to do
         | this task at all because if I make mistake I will get scolded,
         | so why bother doing this task at all".
        
           | UncleEntity wrote:
           | Participation trophies are 100% bullshit.
           | 
           | The reward you get is learning that hard work is its own
           | reward.
        
             | ozim wrote:
             | I see you want to come over to my house next week and paint
             | the walls.
             | 
             | Od course I am not paying anything because hard work is its
             | own reward.
        
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             | pm90 wrote:
             | > The reward you get is learning that hard work is its own
             | reward.
             | 
             | Maybe for some people the internal feeling is good enough,
             | for others, some token (however worthless _you_ might think
             | it is) works.
             | 
             | Why make people feel bad when its so easy to make them feel
             | good?
        
         | awillen wrote:
         | I think the other part of it is that even if you can be the
         | best at something, there's an enormous opportunity cost to
         | that. We look up to Olympians, but it's tough to fully grasp
         | the amount of sacrifice it takes to win an Olympic gold. You're
         | not going to have a normal social life or other hobbies -
         | you're just doing your sport (or related practice) for as many
         | hours a day as you can without sustaining injuries that would
         | impact your ability to train more.
         | 
         | Same thing with the best musicians, lawyers, researchers and a
         | whole lot of other professions, particularly those that we hold
         | in high esteem - there are a lot of people who want to be at
         | the top, and you can't stop to take a break because plenty of
         | those people will be working more while you rest.
         | 
         | I'd rather be good at a bunch of different things and have
         | enough free time to read a book or play videogames on the
         | weekends than be extraordinary at one thing.
        
           | oneoff786 wrote:
           | I think this is wrong. The olympians aren't clearly working
           | harder than other people who are trying hard but not
           | naturally talented or well endowed.
           | 
           | They are working hard, but many people are for far less
           | impressive feats.
        
             | awillen wrote:
             | Olympians are a combination of both - they have the natural
             | talents/endowment, but they also put in the maximum amount
             | of work. Michael Phelps has an enormous wingspan, but he
             | also trained 5-6 hours a day. If he dropped that to 3 hours
             | a day, he would lose to someone with a slightly smaller
             | (but still well above average) wingspan who's training 5-6
             | hours a day.
        
               | badpun wrote:
               | > Michael Phelps has an enormous wingspan, but he also
               | trained 5-6 hours a day
               | 
               | Whereas a postman or police officer work 8 hours a day...
        
               | RadiozRadioz wrote:
               | And I'm sure Michael Phelps couldn't deliver mail as well
               | as those postmen. Leaving aside the obvious physical
               | differences between working as a cop and olympics
               | training, what point are you making exactly?
        
               | TeMPOraL wrote:
               | They are _working_ 8 hours a day, not _training_ 8 hours
               | a day.
        
         | blooalien wrote:
         | > "A mentally healthy person, when shown a display of
         | excellence, is impressed, energized, and motivated."
         | 
         | I would add "inspired" to _your_ list ... I frequently visit
         | digital art sites well known for the excellence of the work of
         | their many artists, and scroll through the  "showcase" areas
         | especially, seeking out that specific thing. That which
         | impresses me also often inspires me. Helps get the "creative
         | juices" flowing before working with any of my favorite art
         | creation tools (Blender 3D, Inkscape, Krita, Godot game engine,
         | etc...).
        
       | overgard wrote:
       | There's this phrase I heard recently: "Losers focus on winners,
       | winners focus on winning"
       | 
       | Now, I don't _love_ this phrase because it implies life is a zero
       | sum game, and that if you haven't achieved success you're a loser
       | -- neither of which I think is true. But I do think it gets to
       | something important, which is that the best way to find success
       | is to focus on how it relates to you, not to someone else. I'd
       | love to be running my own successful company, but if I look at my
       | own script, what do I need to do to be the kind of person that
       | could pull that off? What are the intermediate steps? I think
       | when you compare yourself to others, you're essentially trying to
       | live by someone else's script, but why should their script ever
       | work for you? They have entirely different advantages and
       | disadvantages. I think you're almost always going to fail trying
       | to do that.
        
       | theCrowing wrote:
       | 80% are enough for almost everything the last 20% just hurt way
       | too much.
        
       | sys_64738 wrote:
       | What is this obsession with always comparing yourself to other
       | people? Don't feel intimidated by other people's successes as a
       | reflection on you. That will only lead to depression. Do what you
       | do for you and you alone (and family). If you stop worrying about
       | others and focus on your own life then you realize how irrelevant
       | others are to you.
        
       | UniverseHacker wrote:
       | You should absolutely be extraordinary, but only if you've
       | defined that for yourself, and know why you want it, beyond
       | "positive attention from strangers." Figure out what _you_ think
       | is important to do with your life, do your best at it, and forget
       | about if others think it 's extraordinary or not.
       | 
       | Striving to be extraordinary implies that you are motivated by
       | others opinions and feedback, and putting that above your own
       | judgement, e.g. the number of followers on a youtube channel.
       | Being actually extraordinary requires vision and leadership,
       | which is basically the opposite of "doing whatever I can to make
       | people think I'm extraordinary."
       | 
       | Most people I admire that did things I consider extraordinary
       | were motivated by an internal passion or vision about how they
       | wanted something to be, and didn't waste any energy on the
       | opinions of strangers. Mostly, they didn't expect anyone to care
       | about it, but focused hard because they wanted to for some
       | internal reason, e.g. they enjoy it. In many cases they initially
       | never even planned to ever share the work with others, they did
       | it for themselves.
       | 
       | I think the author here is close with the final point of
       | "extraordinary should not be the end goal" but is missing the
       | importance of having a personal creative vision, and a goal that
       | is resistant to others opinions.
        
       | MarkPNeyer wrote:
       | I recently read and have very much enjoyed a book called "stop
       | fixing yourself." It pointed out that the best way to improve
       | yourself is to learn to understand yourself better. When I stop
       | judging myself, it's easier to understand the cause and effect
       | nature of my behavior, which then automatically leads to
       | improvements.
        
       | MarkusWandel wrote:
       | "This disappointment would incite me to take action, but after a
       | few days of hard work, I would just quit."
       | 
       | Extraordinary people usually aren't like that. They have this
       | strange ability to be "always on". So why can't the rest of us be
       | like that?
       | 
       | Some people can just focus. Eight hours in the office, tune out
       | all other distractions, head down, work effectively and well. But
       | that's merely very good, not extraordinary.
       | 
       | So how can you be "always on"? By having an overriding passion
       | that makes you want to be. For some people this is just material
       | success. Laser focused on the most profitable career. Is that
       | what you want? Badly enough? Others really want to do, say,
       | theoretical physics. Either it's inherently satisfying, or they
       | want to pursue a particular research goal. Whatever the
       | overriding goal, it's the first thing you think about when you
       | wake up and the last thing you think about before you fall
       | asleep.
       | 
       | But is that what you want? In your 40s or 50s, ignored life's
       | other pleasures, maybe never had a family, or haven't spent
       | enough time with them, can't remember the last time you really
       | relaxed, but boy, you've accomplished extraordinary things?
       | 
       | Anyway early middle age will probably take care of it. Where you
       | take stock of who you actually are, rather than who you thought
       | you should be. And then make the best of that.
        
         | laidoffamazon wrote:
         | The fact that my hard work has never yielded anything of value
         | except disdain from elites that consider me an "NPC" is why I
         | wish Harrison Bergeron was real.
         | 
         | For the record, most people of high ability aren't on 24/7 like
         | that.
        
         | kevmo314 wrote:
         | > But is that what you want? In your 40s or 50s, ignored life's
         | other pleasures, maybe never had a family, or haven't spent
         | enough time with them, can't remember the last time you really
         | relaxed, but boy, you've accomplished extraordinary things?
         | 
         | What's wrong with that? The first half of your comment is
         | insightful, but is it really that hard to believe that maybe
         | some people do derive satisfaction from accomplishment?
        
       | ulnarkressty wrote:
       | I don't know about you guys but the last week's Ask HN thread
       | about their most impactful achievements really messed up my
       | weekend.
       | 
       | I don't understand how some people can set their mind up and just
       | _do_ stuff. I struggle with not doing stuff but when I try to my
       | brain is violently asking why.
        
         | BirdieNZ wrote:
         | Have you considered if you might have ADHD? If you feel like
         | you have great potential but can never apply it to anything
         | productive, or only for short periods of time, then it might be
         | worth first doing an adult ADHD self-assessment checklist
         | (easily available online from official medical sources) and
         | then if you score highly on it, book yourself in for a
         | psychiatric appointment.
         | 
         | You may not have it but if you do then it can be a life
         | changing diagnosis and subsequent medication and learned coping
         | mechanisms/coaching.
        
         | ravishi wrote:
         | I feel like I can get a glimpse of how these people can pull it
         | out. I have done stuff. Cool stuff, even. My brain has had
         | moments where it didn't shout why all the time. What really
         | wonder me is how they can be _consistent_ at it. How can they
         | pull it off everyday for a long time? I'm crashing every week.
         | Sometimes I can hold this glimpse for a couple of months, but
         | if there is something certain in my life is that it'll crash at
         | some point. And it will be painful.
        
         | AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
         | Have you considered that maybe your brain is right? I've
         | accomplished a lot of things I've set out to do in my life and
         | not a one of them made me a happier person.
         | 
         | Is the goal to accomplish or do you want to accomplish because
         | you think it'll make you happier?
        
         | cweill wrote:
         | So many accomplishments are the result of someone just putting
         | one foot in front of the other with a vague idea of where
         | they're going. Hopefully, their north star is something others
         | find respectable once achieved. They're then labeled "geniuses"
         | if it works out and "fools" if it doesn't. Accomplishments are
         | only impressive with hindsight.
        
         | nicbou wrote:
         | Some people have unusually strong passions for very specific
         | topics. Some of those happen to lead to high impact projects.
         | 
         | I have one such passion that played out well. The consistent
         | work felt natural, while it rarely does otherwise. I can't
         | stick to a gym or guitar practice schedule, but I can spend a
         | few months building a slightly better tax calculator. Go
         | figure.
        
         | scubakid wrote:
         | I think if you're using a feeling of guilt about not doing
         | stuff as the principal motivation for doing stuff, that's a
         | recipe for... precisely the results you describe.
         | 
         | I'd recommend taking a step back and thinking about what's
         | truly important to you, and see if you can identify an activity
         | or a goal where the journey itself makes you feel inspired and
         | energized. In my experience, if you can find something with a
         | positive feedback loop like that, one day you'll wake up and
         | realize you've made it a lot further down that path than you
         | initially thought possible.
        
       | _def wrote:
       | I came to love being boring :)
        
       | ge96 wrote:
       | In work I don't aim to be one of the top eg. leader. I don't
       | think I'm cut out for it. I also don't want the
       | responsibility/making choices for others/the pressure.
       | 
       | Personally too what I make outside of work is probably crude/crap
       | but I enjoy the process of it. Even as a mediocre
       | developer/software person I'm still able to have a good life.
       | 
       | I also acknowledge my mental shortcomings I can see someone else
       | read an algorithm problem and know the question/spit something
       | out much faster than me. Same for math. I just aim for personal
       | freedom/happiness at this point, not to be the best/stick out.
       | 
       | It would be nice to contribute/have a legacy of some sort not
       | just be forgotten once I'm gone but that's ego I suppose. There
       | is also the desire to stay under the radar.
       | 
       | It does sound like coping eg. you could try harder eg. did I fail
       | because I'm not FAANG level.
        
       | munificent wrote:
       | I think everyone needs to feel _seen_ --to feel that they have
       | some unique value that they provide to their community or tribe.
       | 
       | If you have a rich local network of in person friends and family,
       | I think that mostly resolve the unhealthy need to be
       | extraordinary. Because I think that need often comes from feeling
       | socially isolated and relying on online social interaction for
       | validation.
       | 
       | When the public commons where you are seen is run by social media
       | aggregators that only highlight the world's best of everything,
       | it's very easy to fall into a trap where you feel like unless you
       | are front page material, you're nothing.
       | 
       | But the real answer is to get a handful of friends who think
       | you're front page material in their actual lives.
        
       | zmmmmm wrote:
       | Something else to contemplate: it's striking how often, usually
       | after they have died or written their autobiography etc, you find
       | out that "extraordinary" people were deeply unhappy in their
       | lives. So many of them struggle with depression, self doubt, etc.
       | even while appearing externally happy and successful.
       | 
       | So if you have this type of envy, you have to question _why_ you
       | want to be extraordinary. If it is because you think it will make
       | you happy ... pause for thought and think again. It is far from a
       | given that would happen. And then if you decide it 's _not_ to
       | make yourself happy? Perhaps you should evaluate whether actually
       | pursuing happiness is a more worthwhile purpose in your life.
        
       | egman_ekki wrote:
       | This topic strongly resonates with me. I remember Dan Luu's
       | controversial take on how being better than 95% of people isn't
       | that hard: https://danluu.com/p95-skill/
       | 
       | I find it fascinating that some people are able to achieve so
       | much in the same time I have on this planet. I believe it's those
       | super-talented and hard working individuals that actually push
       | our species forward. Newton, von Neumann, von Braun, etc etc.
       | 
       | How can one not feel sad when they think about similar people.
        
         | sy7ar wrote:
         | I don't see why we should feel sad about that since not
         | everyone's blessed with the same genes or family background or
         | connections. But I guess one can feel sad about not being as
         | lucky as others.
        
       | Bubble_Pop_22 wrote:
       | > "The internet always highlights the first place winners, the
       | billionaires, the award-winning artists, the best-selling
       | authors, the largest philanthropists, the extraordinary. Their
       | stories are ones of success, of inspiration"
       | 
       | The intro outlines the fact that the author is not familiar with
       | the promotional industry.
       | 
       | Allowing for some rare exceptions all the people whose name you
       | know are the people who want to be known and go out of their way
       | to self-promote.
       | 
       | It's not about the quality of the work per se but the noise being
       | generated around it. All those stories of mega-success are
       | generated by PR and marketing firms and the person who is the
       | protagonist most likely went for a stroll in Central Park after
       | the meeting, and be sure that nobody genuflected or got on their
       | knees to kiss the ring. Michael Bloomberg took the subaway every
       | day.
        
       | cbtacy wrote:
       | 1 - if you think you're extraordinary or want to be extraordinary
       | you're almost certainly ordinary (and there is nothing wrong with
       | that).
       | 
       | 2 - the saddest thing about this very sad piece is the idea that
       | "extraordinariness" is about accomplishments and success.
       | 
       | 3 - I think it is fair to say that many actually "extraordinary"
       | people would say that it is at best a mixed bag and not
       | automatically something to feel jealous about. We live in a
       | society where being "not ordinary" aka abnormal is not
       | accommodated and often not accepted or tolerated - and where
       | being right in the center of the bell curve of human experiences
       | and realities means that the world is optimized for you.
        
       | rcarr wrote:
       | Anyone who this article resonates with might want to check out
       | the videos of Mark Lewis on YouTube. He was formally fat and
       | depressed in his 30s and got himself into great shape (sub 20
       | minute 5ks, cat B on Zwift, winning age group at hyrox,
       | completing ultra marathons). He speaks about his philosophy on
       | life and training which is to be above average in whatever he
       | wants to pursue which he describes as being somewhere to the
       | right of the bell curve peak but not too far down. He says this
       | is the sweet spot where you get the most fun and enjoyment; to
       | the left of the peak and you feel bad that you're not as good as
       | everyone else, but trying to get too much better than average at
       | something means you start having to sacrifice too much in order
       | to achieve it which starts sucking away all the fun. Above
       | average keeps you motivated to better yourself, is far more
       | achievable and doesn't require you to become crazy like a lot of
       | high achievers. I think it's a pretty good philosophy.
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/kViCSPXyU8U
        
         | chrisdbanks wrote:
         | Skills don't follow a bell curve or normal distribution. They
         | follow a power law distribution with most people being terrible
         | and a very small number of people being exceptional.
        
           | lioeters wrote:
           | Today I learned:
           | 
           | > A few notable examples of power laws are Pareto's law of
           | income distribution, structural self-similarity of fractals,
           | and scaling laws in biological systems.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law#Power-law_functions
           | 
           | An opinionated comparison of the bell-curve and Pareto
           | distribution:
           | 
           | > (1) The power law is often an empirical fact (the way
           | things are) but not necessarily the platonic idea (the way
           | things ought to be); and
           | 
           | > (2) We can tame or mitigate at least some of the negative
           | aspects of the power law by encouraging eclectic and diverse
           | strategies.
           | 
           | Tyranny of the Power Law -
           | http://econophysics.blogspot.com/2006/07/tyranny-of-power-
           | la...
        
           | ulnarkressty wrote:
           | Is it really a power law or just that the right half of the
           | bell curve could pass the interview?
        
             | kridsdale2 wrote:
             | I've never thought about it this way. Cut off the left side
             | of the bell, rotate the graph by 90 degrees, and you can
             | see that the high-sigma members of the distribution take
             | all the reward and recognition in a limited attention
             | economy.
        
         | alawrence wrote:
         | Reminds me of this article from Derek Sivers:
         | https://sive.rs/bronze
        
         | j7ake wrote:
         | Perhaps I would add also these distributions are high
         | dimensional. Although being slightly above average is not
         | difficult (unlikely to get paid doing it), if you can find a
         | handful of non correlated features at which you are above
         | average, you can be easily be the top few percent in your sub
         | field (ie likely to be paid handsomely for your expertise)
        
         | marginalien wrote:
         | ,,being somewhere to the right of the bell curve peak but not
         | too far down. He says this is the sweet spot where you get the
         | most fun and enjoyment"
         | 
         | So true. So, so true.
        
         | basicallybones wrote:
         | I have adopted this approach (somewhat out of failure!), and
         | what I have found is this: being significantly above average in
         | a lot of unrelated domains is both far easier than being world-
         | class in a single domain and often can make you even more
         | effective than someone who is a savant in a single domain.
        
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