[HN Gopher] Westinghouse sees a tech disrupter in its eVinci mic...
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       Westinghouse sees a tech disrupter in its eVinci microreactor
        
       Author : akeck
       Score  : 80 points
       Date   : 2022-11-23 21:01 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | nwatson wrote:
       | After ethics reviews, send some prototypes to Ukraine this
       | winter.
        
         | worldsayshi wrote:
         | Sounds like something you don't want Russians to target
         | thought.
        
         | BlueTemplar wrote:
         | > Commercial deployment is targeted for 2027.
         | 
         | (Sounds like the new fuel might be available sooner, but
         | probably not for this winter?)
        
       | sebmellen wrote:
       | I love seeing innovative tech like this spring out of the
       | Pittsburgh region... Once the nation's capitol of industry
       | innovation, maybe it can be again.
        
         | riffic wrote:
         | the rust belt has _good bones_ , as they say.
        
       | ngvrnd wrote:
       | Wow... Walt's Mill. My mom worked there, I have a photo of her
       | standing above a fuel storage well... It used to be a test
       | reactor with a channel of water through the core that they would
       | send boats through to test samples of materials for radiation
       | exposure effects.
        
       | Gravityloss wrote:
       | I feel that this reactor is _too small_ for actual usage. It 's
       | about wind turbine sized. But better to err on this side, if you
       | want the iteration speed up and start mass production. Future
       | versions can always be scaled up.
        
         | jasonwatkinspdx wrote:
         | DARPA and NASA have some combined projects developing small
         | reactors suitable for both mars and deep space exploration as
         | well as replacing oil tanks for generators in remote military
         | installations like in the arctic. This is almost certainly
         | chasing that, not consumer generation.
        
           | ripe wrote:
           | From Robots In Plain English [1]:
           | 
           | The Curiosity and Perseverance rovers each carry an old kind
           | of power supply: a nuclear power generator that runs on
           | radioactive plutonium dioxide.
           | 
           | This generator has been used on many missions since the
           | 1960s.
           | 
           | It produces a steady 110 watts of electricity. The decay of
           | the radioactive material also emits heat, which helps keep
           | the electronics onboard warm through the freezing nights on
           | Mars.
           | 
           | Supplemented by rechargeable batteries, the generator
           | provides enough power to let the rover pull all-nighters for
           | years to come.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.robotsinplainenglish.com/e/2020-08-09-nuclear
           | .ht...
        
         | cjtrowbridge wrote:
         | The keyword in Small Modular Reactor is Modular. 5mw is not
         | "too small for actual usage." You can connect many of them
         | together in one plant to produce however much power you want.
         | Just like wind turbines, a typical design includes more than
         | one.
        
           | masklinn wrote:
           | Seriously, 5MWe is what, a few thousand homes? Low thousand
           | if you need to plug in local commons and you've got lots of
           | EVs around maybe.
           | 
           | Alongside a few MWt to shed into district heating, that seems
           | pretty nice in a distributed grid context.
           | 
           | > Just like wind turbines, a typical design includes more
           | than one.
           | 
           | Wind farms are a thing because location is an issue, and
           | there's a lot of nimby-ism, so if you can plop down turbines
           | you plop down a bunch.
           | 
           | Though I guess nimby would also affect SMRs, location is way
           | less of an issue, if you have space for a farm you might as
           | well use a classical nuclear plant.
           | 
           | Plus the capacity factor of nukes is way higher than
           | turbines. Assuming SMRs follow the nuclear norm you don't
           | need to overbuild to compensate.
        
       | multiplegeorges wrote:
       | Northern communities in Canada are a perfect application of this
       | tech. Currently, they mostly burn diesel for power.
        
       | rx_tx wrote:
       | > The microreactor can generate 5 MW of electricity or 13 MW of
       | heat from a 15 MW thermal core. Exhaust heat from the power
       | conversion system can be used for district heating applications
       | or low-temperature steam.
       | 
       | They are aiming 8 years planned service life, and one novel thing
       | is the use of heatpipes (like your CPU cooler) using liquid metal
       | as a working fluid.
       | 
       | They actually don't say how big it is, I guess still quite
       | sizeable given the heat output. Definitely not a single-family
       | home device.
        
         | cjtrowbridge wrote:
         | It's a shipping container, same type of footprint and install
         | as the tesla battery packs. They have pictures and videos if
         | you google it.
        
           | BlueTemplar wrote:
           | 4 trucks for the whole setup
        
         | masklinn wrote:
         | > I guess still quite sizeable given the heat output.
         | Definitely not a single-family home device.
         | 
         | I'd think the 5MWe would be a hint. Standard residential
         | service drop is like 40kW.
        
         | onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
         | My understanding is on-shore windmills cost about ~$1.5M and
         | $50k in maintenance per year - last for 20 years - for 1MW.
         | 
         | I'm skeptical this can come anywhere close to that.
         | 
         | But if it's within an order of magnitude - it could replace old
         | coal powerplants as they're decommissioned.
        
           | beambot wrote:
           | Apples & oranges: wind is an intermittent generator versus
           | eVinci for base generation
        
           | aeyes wrote:
           | A problem with on-shore wind is that it is already getting
           | hard to find more space for it in some European countries.
           | You also can't put windmills in densely populated areas where
           | most power is needed so you have to take energy transmission
           | cost into account as well.
           | 
           | If it can be demonstrated that these reactors are safe, you
           | could put them almost anywhere.
        
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