[HN Gopher] New York City hiring top rat killer
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       New York City hiring top rat killer
        
       Author : yehudalouis
       Score  : 103 points
       Date   : 2022-12-01 17:53 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | theGnuMe wrote:
       | queue the movie about this: Caddyshack 2.0
        
       | 29athrowaway wrote:
       | I hope it does not end like this:
       | 
       | https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.atlasobscura.com/articles/h...
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Discussed a few times:
         | 
         |  _The Great Hanoi Rat Massacre of 1902 Did Not Go as Planned
         | (2017)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30050420 - Jan
         | 2022 (4 comments)
         | 
         |  _The Great Hanoi Rat Massacre of 1902 Did Not Go as Planned
         | (2017)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27264816 - May
         | 2021 (85 comments)
         | 
         |  _The Great Hanoi Rat Massacre of 1902 Did Not Go as Planned
         | (2017)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19864148 - May
         | 2019 (18 comments)
         | 
         |  _The Great Hanoi Rat Massacre of 1902 Did Not Go as Planned_ -
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14499431 - June 2017 (1
         | comment)
        
       | tiahura wrote:
       | How about training and equipping qualified volunteers to hunt
       | with air rifles and offering a bounty?
        
         | itisit wrote:
         | The last thing NYC needs is people walking around with air
         | rifles.
        
           | InCityDreams wrote:
           | Jeeze, you must really hate freedom. Also, according to the
           | nra, crime would be reduced.
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | If your goal is to shoot more people than rats, sure.
        
         | ImprobableTruth wrote:
         | Provides a perverse incentive for people to breed rats/cobra
         | effect [1]
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive#The_origina...
        
           | tiahura wrote:
           | That's why I restricted to a limited pool - it might make
           | oversight feasible?
        
       | fakedang wrote:
       | If NYC needs someone who can deal with their rats, they should
       | look west and think about hiring Richard Hendricks.
        
       | baidifnaoxi wrote:
       | Is this talking about rodents or another kind of rat?
        
         | bergenty wrote:
        
       | ralusek wrote:
       | Christopher Walken from Mouse Hunt.
        
       | insane_dreamer wrote:
       | > ... 5-8 years of full-time professional experience in a field
       | related to this position.
       | 
       | Rat killing is a field?
        
         | libraryatnight wrote:
         | Animal/pest control is
        
         | zokier wrote:
         | Pest/rodent control? Definitely a field. Although I suspect
         | they are meaning public administration here.
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | Perhaps they mean literally 5-8 years standing in a field
         | killing rats in said field. Because then you'd be outstanding
         | in your field.
        
           | yetanotherloser wrote:
           | Very good.
        
         | jiveturkey wrote:
         | well, yes. pest and rodent removal and such.
        
         | somerandomqaguy wrote:
         | Alberta, Canada maintains a team of dedicated rat exterminators
         | paid for by the province. Along with a near genocidal
         | government policy towards rats.
         | 
         | https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/alberta-ca...
        
       | RickJWagner wrote:
       | I bet the successful candidate will sound just like Bogey:
       | 
       | "You.... dirty rat!"
        
         | schwartzworld wrote:
         | That's James Cagney, not Bogart
        
       | adamsb6 wrote:
       | Is this guerilla marketing for the new King of the Hill series?
        
         | daveslash wrote:
         | Only two people need apply: Dale Gribble of Dale's Dead-Bug
         | and.... Rusty Shackleford.
        
       | ComputerGuru wrote:
       | They should hire Joseph Carter, better known as the Mink Man!
       | 
       | I still can't believe he went from someone I stumbled across on
       | YouTube in a low-quality shaky-cam video 10 years ago (or was it
       | more?) to making NYT headlines (and he deserves it):
       | https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/science/mink-animals-pest...
       | 
       | His YouTube channel:
       | https://www.youtube.com/c/josephcartertheminkman
        
       | calculatte wrote:
       | To be most successful, you need to start with the rats at city
       | hall
        
         | andylei wrote:
         | but also
         | 
         | > Proficiency with Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint
        
         | terminatornet wrote:
         | to me, the people at city hall are more clown-like, which would
         | require some sort of clown exterminator.
        
         | ericzawo wrote:
         | "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others."
        
         | monrir wrote:
         | "Successful candidates must be highly organized, able to burrow
         | into the depths of city government"
        
       | mnutt wrote:
       | Living in NYC with rats, I'm always reminded of Neal Stephenson's
       | Baroque Cycle, where Jack Shaftoe is in Paris in the late 17th
       | century and meets St-George, the city's preeminent rat-catcher.
       | St-George explains how no one is never going to exterminate _all_
       | of the rats, so he instead only kills the bad kind of rats and
       | lets the "good" rats live, in a sort of multi-generational rat
       | breeding program. St-George says that he has been doing this for
       | many years, and his father before him, and his father before
       | that. Jack asks, "how do you know the rats aren't breeding YOU?"
        
         | prox wrote:
         | I had a similar thought today when feeding some crows. Usually
         | they don't like it when other people show up, and they leave or
         | hide for a bit in a tree or some such. So by proxy _I_ don't
         | like having people around since we all have to wait. It's a
         | nice bit of converged purpose I guess where I adapt my behavior
         | as well. Most people who go there are usually oblivious of any
         | birds. They just don't see it.
        
           | FeistySkink wrote:
           | What do you feed to crows? I feed other birds, but crows
           | never eat the same type of bird food.
        
             | Wistar wrote:
             | I have found that they like dry, unsalted popcorn. They
             | also like small kibbled dog food, and really go nuts over
             | dried cranberries and unsalted almonds. If there are
             | sunflower seeds in the mix, they are always the last to be
             | eaten.
        
               | FeistySkink wrote:
               | Them be some fancy crows. I go nuts for everything above,
               | save for the dog food (never tried, TBH). Thanks, I'll
               | try cranberries and almonds.
        
               | Wistar wrote:
               | The dog food is often the first to go. I tried it just
               | out of curiosity and found that they quite like it.
               | 
               | They also like vol-au-vent or other canape.
        
               | yetanotherloser wrote:
               | I think (with apologies to Gerald Samper) that they might
               | actually prefer vole-au-vents.
        
               | datavirtue wrote:
               | You've never had dog food! You gotta live, man!
        
               | prox wrote:
               | An expert recommended it above most things. They like
               | some insects above all, but sunflower seeds mostly. They
               | _pretend_ to like bread, but they usually hide it in a
               | stash and don't eat it unless they really hungry.
        
               | nomel wrote:
               | My crow friends really liked egg yellows, cooked to a
               | jelly like consistency. I would poach them a little extra
               | long, so they weren't runny.
               | 
               | The also liked dog food, but they would always dip it in
               | water first.
        
       | Ericson2314 wrote:
       | Will they put the trash in containers that go were parked cars do
       | today?
       | 
       | If the answer is no, folks we're just wasting our time.
        
       | Justsignedup wrote:
       | Okay so New York is complaining about companies offering
       | unreasonable salary ranges... And then they offer $120k - $170k!
       | Like seriously that's a gigantic difference for the same one
       | position.
       | 
       | God damn NYC.
        
         | nadieyninguno1 wrote:
         | So with government jobs there is an expectation of a much
         | longer tenure than the 3 year job hopper we have in
         | programming.
         | 
         | You'll start on the low end and get a 2k bump per year for a
         | decade or two, eventually hitting the cap.
        
       | aklein wrote:
       | Kudos to the person who wrote the job description
        
       | bredren wrote:
       | There is a fascinating history of rats in New York City provided
       | in the book, Rats: Observations on the History & Habitat of the
       | City's Most Unwanted Inhabitants.
       | 
       | The author, Robert Sullivan, delivers the influence of rats and
       | ratting on the American Revolution. It goes so far as to draw a
       | connection between rats and the Boston Massacre, IIRC.
       | 
       | It made me look at rats in a new way, I highly recommend this
       | book.
        
       | cuttothechase wrote:
       | This honestly appears to be a very difficult problem to solve. It
       | seems that to be truly be effective in rat reduction at a city
       | scale the fix may need to come from elsewhere and may have very
       | little to do with directly working on exterminating the rats.
       | Fixes may be needed starting from urban planning through
       | waste/sewage handling methods at a street level all the way up to
       | the city. Also not sure if there would be enough leverage and
       | incentives for any candidate who is going to be hired for this
       | job at their advertised $120K to be able to achieve that kind of
       | a change! Seems like another easy win for the rats at the tax
       | payers expense!
        
       | lizardactivist wrote:
       | First, it's NY, the dirtiest city in the world and planet earth's
       | own asshole.
       | 
       | Second, if the city hasn't realized they need to introduce
       | containerized and properly sealed garbage collection city-wide by
       | now, they never will.
        
         | Invictus0 wrote:
         | Please. NYC doesn't have half the needles and shit that
         | Philly/San Francisco have. You can at least breathe the air
         | unlike Delhi or Beijing.
        
       | Cupertino95014 wrote:
       | If only rats had a natural enemy:
       | 
       | https://tenor.com/view/killer-upset-kitty-gun-meme-gif-86573...
        
         | skorpeon87 wrote:
         | Dogs, like rat terriers, are much more effective for
         | exterminating rats.
        
           | huehehue wrote:
           | There's a group that does this, but supposedly has not made
           | much of an impact on the city's rat population and the
           | practice has stirred some controversy (content warning: dead
           | rats)
           | 
           | https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/19/new-york-
           | cit...
        
         | superchroma wrote:
         | If only there was a natural enemy of rats that didn't spread
         | toxoplasmosis and cat scratch fever.
        
           | Cupertino95014 wrote:
           | https://www.legalnomads.com/istanbul-cats/
           | 
           | "In addition, the documentary looks into the history of cat
           | domestication, and how in the middle ages the church tried to
           | get rid of cats due to their association with witches"
           | 
           | only difference is, now it's "toxoplasmosis and cat scratch
           | fever" instead of witches.
           | 
           | Do you have numbers on the prevalence of those ills? As
           | compared to well-known rat-borne illness?
        
         | asdajksah2123 wrote:
         | I'm pretty sure the rat killing nature of cats is way
         | overstated. Also, in an urban environment where they can much
         | more easily find food thrown in trash, etc., they are unlikely
         | to make an effort to kill rats to obtain that food. Finally, a
         | sufficient cat population that could eradicate a rat problem
         | would likely eradicate the bird population first.
        
       | buzzedword wrote:
       | Feels like a job for Vasiliy Fet.
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y4v1l5np_o
        
       | interdrift wrote:
       | 120k to efficiently exterminate rats? Dang, I'd love to do that
       | lol
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | 120k isn't even going to get you an apartment in large parts of
         | NYC.
        
           | alar44 wrote:
           | Yes it will, easily. Just not in Manhattan.
        
           | acuozzo wrote:
           | So you take NJ Transit into Port Authority like everyone else
           | does.
        
           | interdrift wrote:
           | That's OK, I'm quite frugal, don't mind travelling with
           | public transport. Even if you save 50% of that it's already
           | enough for me.
        
       | n8cpdx wrote:
       | "The rats are absolutely going to hate this announcement. But the
       | rats don't run this city. We do" has become a top tier audio
       | meme. I think I hear this in my head about as often as I see "(x)
       | Doubt" or "This is fine (dog engulfed in flames)"
       | 
       | NYC really did a great job with the marketing on this.
       | 
       | I think the real reason TikTok was successful is it popularized
       | the audio/video meme and the means for them to go viral.
       | 
       | https://www.indy100.com/viral/rats-dont-run-this-city-we-do-...
        
         | lotsofpulp wrote:
         | Whatever it popularized is the exact opposite of what
         | entertains me. I was recently sent a link to tiktok that was a
         | video set to random music of a single screenshot of a single
         | tweet.
         | 
         | My younger self had higher hopes for humanity.
        
       | yehudalouis wrote:
       | Any good ideas on how you'd implement a rat extermination
       | strategy?
        
         | skizm wrote:
         | Release a bunch of snakes?
        
           | djmips wrote:
           | That always goes well.
        
           | insane_dreamer wrote:
           | Good job security thinking. You can claim success and then
           | get re-hired for a job posting to "exterminate an infestation
           | of snakes in the city"
        
           | teeray wrote:
           | After retiring from the FBI, Neville Flynn (Samuel L.
           | Jackson) takes a job as a motorman on an NYC subway.
           | Meanwhile, the city hires the top rat exterminator in the
           | country (Christopher Walken) who uses the unconventional
           | technique of releasing thousands of vipers into the city's
           | sewers.
           | 
           | Coming this summer... Snakes on a Train
        
         | aliqot wrote:
         | this guy https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnWoodsprimitive-archer
        
         | swinnipeg wrote:
         | Unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes
        
           | Victerius wrote:
           | How do we get the Chinese needle snakes under control once
           | they're done with the rats though?
        
             | Bouncingsoul1 wrote:
             | We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on
             | snake meat.
        
               | wolfram74 wrote:
               | Which will promptly freeze to death during the first
               | winter snow.
        
               | autotune wrote:
               | At which point we release the polar bears to continue the
               | fight.
        
         | motohagiography wrote:
         | Rats can find food anywhere in many forms, so instead of
         | poisoning them (which just removes competition for food from
         | the rest of them), addict them to a substance you can control,
         | distribute it everywhere freely and accessibly for a while -
         | and then once a large enough population of them are addicted,
         | you create scarcity in the substance, and they will starve
         | themselves and fight each other and breed less frequently in
         | pursuit of it. If the population starts rising again, release
         | more of the drug to get more of them addicted to it and repeat
         | the cycle.
         | 
         | Spray the sewers and garbage bins with nicotine or seized
         | cocaine or some addictive equivalent. Killing them just kills
         | off the weak ones and polarizes the population, whereas a
         | method like this using managed addiction will keep their
         | numbers down and actively managed.
        
         | FinalDestiny wrote:
         | We call Charlie Kelly
        
           | reducesuffering wrote:
           | King of the Rats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2MvHuflizQ
        
           | ogoparootbbo wrote:
           | only caveat is the troll's toll
        
         | ars wrote:
         | Food. It's all about food.
         | 
         | You basically need to clean the city. I've been there in the
         | summer - the place stinks to high heaven from uncollected
         | rotting food, I don't know how the locals handle it.
         | 
         | You'll never be able to trap or kill your way out of this, rats
         | are too smart, and breed too quickly.
        
           | bagels wrote:
           | There are mountains of garbage on the New York sidewalks all
           | the time. It should surprise nobody that rats love this.
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | Clean up the city and rats will disappear by themselves. At the
         | moment you can't walk through NYC without running into large
         | piles of garbage on every sidewalk. No shit there's a rodent
         | problem.
        
           | rayiner wrote:
           | When I got to NYC from Chicago for an internship I spent the
           | first few weeks just marveling and taking pictures of the
           | trash piles and sending them back to my then-girlfriend.
           | "Honey, this one is even taller than the last one!"
        
             | bombcar wrote:
             | > But it gives me stuff to talk about with my friends Like
             | "Hey, I think them rats gettin' big!"
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH5l9NYtNAw
        
           | raddan wrote:
           | The garbage situation in Manhattan is ridiculous. Mountains
           | of garbage appear every night. It's not surprising that they
           | have a rat problem. Plenty of other cities have addressed
           | this problem directly. As far as I can tell, NYC simply does
           | not have the political will.
           | 
           | It's frankly an embarrassment. We advertise to the world the
           | idea that NYC is one of America's best cities, and the first
           | thing that people see upon arriving is mountains of trash.
        
             | autotune wrote:
             | And then New Yorkers have the gall to constantly make fun
             | of Staten Island (disclaimer: I do not nor have I ever
             | lived in SI).
        
               | chimeracoder wrote:
               | > And then New Yorkers have the gall to constantly make
               | fun of Staten Island
               | 
               | Well to be fair, Staten Island used to be the literal
               | garbage dump for NYC, and being incorporated as the fifth
               | borough was actually the reason this stopped (because
               | it's illegal to dump trash within the city limits).
        
               | autotune wrote:
               | Right, but you kind of lose the right to make fun of it
               | when the garbage dump moved from SI to right in front of
               | your door step, and everyone else's. One fond memory back
               | when I lived in Manhattan is being at a small, classy,
               | cocktail bar that served nice drinks with an excellent
               | street view of garbage bags being piled up right in front
               | that ruined it all.
        
               | Spooky23 wrote:
               | I did live there and on a single family block in queens.
               | Typically there was two pickups a week with people using
               | metal cans in those days. There were plenty of rats.
               | 
               | Where people go, rats follow. If you think that your
               | town/city/building doesn't have rats, you are wrong.
               | 
               | HN commenters don't have all of the answers. Garbage bags
               | on the street are a nuisance, but not the problem.
        
               | floxy wrote:
               | >If you think that your town/city/building doesn't have
               | rats, you are wrong.
               | 
               | I've never even seen a feral rat in real life. Might make
               | for an interesting Ask HN poll. Estimate how frequently
               | you see rats.                 - Haven't yet       - Once
               | per decade       - Once a year       - Once a month
               | - Once a week       - Daily
               | 
               | Squirrels, yup, lots of them around. And I've seen plenty
               | of mice in my life, and I'm assuming that's what the owls
               | are eating. Beavers? Check. But no rats in 40+ years.
               | YMMV.
        
               | autotune wrote:
               | My point was not that SI is a shining example of a
               | garbage free paradise, more so that them making fun of it
               | considering their own problems is hypocritical at best.
        
             | vagabund wrote:
             | They've recently hired McKinsey to conduct a 20 week study
             | on the viability of containerization on the varying street
             | sizes of Manhattan, and what that might look like [0]. My
             | guess: they settle upon some aesthetically loud behemoth of
             | a trash container that's neither well-functioning nor
             | beautifying, and approve an attendant increase in the
             | sanitation department's budget to deal with the new
             | responsibility. But at least it will be better than the
             | status quo ex ante.
             | 
             | [0] https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-orders-4-million-
             | mckinsey-stu...
        
               | ThePadawan wrote:
               | > "NYC doesn't have the political will to do anything"
               | 
               | > "NYC recently hired McKinsey to conduct a 20 week
               | study"
               | 
               | I mean, do I have to say anything else? The joke writes
               | itself.
        
               | notacop31337 wrote:
               | If you did a comedy show with zingers like this, I'd turn
               | up.
        
             | rayiner wrote:
             | NYC is mainly a halfway house for immigrants passing
             | through. It pretty much always has been. A lot of my
             | extended family started out there (it's got the largest
             | Bangladeshi population in the country) but fled to Long
             | Island or Texas or California once they got their feet
             | under them.
        
             | NovemberWhiskey wrote:
             | In other cities, mountains of garbage pile up in alleyways
             | or other just-off-the-street venues. Since there basically
             | are no alleyways in Manhattan, the garbage goes in the
             | street instead. I'm not sure the rats care very much either
             | way.
        
               | asdff wrote:
               | In other cities they provide trash bins and dumpsters.
               | Only in NYC do you just put a bag of trash on the side of
               | the road. My city doesn't even take anything that isn't
               | in a bin that you haven't specifically ordered pickup for
               | (like a big couch)
        
               | notacop31337 wrote:
               | Wait what are you on about? Are you serious that you just
               | stick bin bags on the street full? Where are the bins?
               | What?
               | 
               | I'm not from NYC or even the US, why wouldn't you just
               | use bins that the bags go in? I don't understand, please
               | help me understand this. I'm thoroughly confused.
        
               | bombcar wrote:
               | Trash in NY is literally piled up for collection.
               | 
               | https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=new+york+trash
               | 
               | Most cities in the USA have either individual trash cans
               | (suburbs/low density, once a week):
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UluH0QmnwfM (ONE HOUR???)
               | or dumpsters/dedicated crushers (high density, can be
               | once a day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDTrUs6TeNc
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | mnutt wrote:
               | The sidewalks aren't wide enough for the kinds of bins
               | needed for the amount of trash generated (NYC is dense)
               | and nobody wants to give up free parking spaces to put
               | the bins in the street as of yet.
        
               | NovemberWhiskey wrote:
               | You live in an apartment building that's 47 stories tall
               | and has 350 units. Do you expect all of the residents
               | individually to take bins out to the front of the
               | building?
        
             | macNchz wrote:
             | Yes, having thin plastic bags of food waste out on the
             | street for hours every single night is quite clearly the
             | fundamental issue. To me, there's an obvious path forward
             | in removing a few free parking spaces on each block and
             | replacing them with rat-proof containers, and reorganizing
             | the sanitation department support collecting from bins
             | rather than bags on the sidewalk.
             | 
             | The political will is key here, since to effectively fix
             | the issue someone will need to stand up to the sanitation
             | union, who will be concerned that this new paradigm will
             | require fewer workers, as well as to the thousands of
             | seething car owners who will fight tooth and nail to keep
             | their free parking spaces. So far, nobody has wanted to
             | take on this challenge, and so the residents live with
             | filth as the rats continue to feast!
        
             | atyppo wrote:
             | Lack of political will and corruption are NYC (and by
             | extension NYS') biggest problems. It's incredible how
             | little progress is made here, how expensive projects are,
             | and how long it takes compared to even other union-heavy
             | areas like France. In this case, it would likely require
             | significant investment to create central trash receptacles
             | on each block and require taking parking spaces. Both of
             | which NYC politicans are too pathetic to push for.
        
           | wskish wrote:
           | Delivery logistics have advanced dramatically and is trending
           | towards near-realtime. For everything that is delivered, some
           | non-trivial percentage of that needs to be taken away as
           | trash. But there is no incentive to improve trash pickup
           | logistics.
           | 
           | Perhaps we could pass laws that require anyone delivering
           | something (hi Amazon) to also take away some proportional
           | amount of trash, removing the externality they currently
           | enjoy. I am sure they would eventually be a lot more
           | efficient at it than the current system.
        
           | micromacrofoot wrote:
           | "Clean up the city" in this case means to change the behavior
           | of 9 million people and every single visitor. It would be
           | easier to train the rats operate the subway system.
        
           | pastor_bob wrote:
           | There are tons of rats in the subways, and until the MTA puts
           | up a platform wall or something like that, they're not going
           | away because they live off the food people throw on the
           | tracks.
        
         | notatoad wrote:
         | a few tips here: https://www.alberta.ca/rat-control-
         | methods.aspx
        
         | Euphorbium wrote:
         | Release a bunch of cats.
        
         | bberenberg wrote:
         | If you like cats and the general population are willing to feed
         | and take care of them. Istanbul has proven this approach to be
         | a fairly effective.
        
           | freyes wrote:
           | and if you play this card correctly can become yet another
           | tourists attraction for NYC
        
           | HeavenFox wrote:
           | Birds aren't gonna like this plan though
        
             | SoftTalker wrote:
             | The birds are pests too. Well at least the pigeons are.
        
             | Msw242 wrote:
             | But the birds don't run this city. We do.
        
         | vagabund wrote:
         | some version of releasing CRISPR-edited rats that sexually
         | outcompete in the first generation but produce infertile
         | offspring
        
           | nyolfen wrote:
           | wasn't this the plot of jurassic park
        
           | tetha wrote:
           | That reminds me of the old movie Mimic, in which supposedly
           | sterile insects are released to prey on other insects
           | transmitting a disease to children. The infertility part
           | didn't work and it got messy.
        
         | christopherwxyz wrote:
         | Basically Robert Patrick's T-1000 from Terminator 2, but
         | instead of hunting humans it will optimize for rats.
        
           | gs17 wrote:
           | The optimal way to get rid of the rats is to eliminate the
           | humans first so the rats do not have as much available food.
        
         | tenebrisalietum wrote:
         | Reimaging a system generally eliminates any remote access
         | tools, but if the ACPI Windows Platform Binary Table (an
         | executable that lives in PC firmware by design that recent
         | versions of Windows loads and runs automatically without
         | ability to disable) has been compromised through a malicious
         | firmware update to automatically install a RAT on power on, you
         | may need to go so far as to manually flash the chip holding the
         | firmware to a known non-compromised version. This is a highly
         | technical operation and not for everyone.
         | 
         | Not using ACPI-based Windows-intended hardware, which will
         | unfortunately consist of most of the PC-based motherboards you
         | can purchase on the market today, can help avoid this situation
         | in the first place.
        
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         | konfusinomicon wrote:
         | arm the homeless with blowguns and pay a per pelt bounty. then
         | gamify it and display the leader board in time square.
        
           | batmansmom1 wrote:
           | Enter: Homeless rat breeders, farming baby rat pelts for the
           | reward
        
           | FeistySkink wrote:
           | Do we then track the confirmed kills with a blackchain?
           | Perhaps we can have some kind of an exchange for pelts. Maybe
           | even have a pelt token. I'll see myself out.
        
             | konfusinomicon wrote:
             | rat coin, ticker symbol RAT. backed by real world artisan
             | rat pelts. each coin is actually an NFT representing the
             | actual rat, in a goofy outfit of course. too bad blow guns
             | are powered by the carbon dioxide emissions of people's
             | lungs or we would have had the greatest stable coin the
             | world has ever known
        
               | FeistySkink wrote:
               | I think we have a pitch for Sequoia ready. Perchance you
               | play League of Legend?
        
               | floxy wrote:
               | Where can one find the GPT-3 PowerPoint pitch generator?
               | https://thiselevatorpitchdoesnotexist.com seems
               | available.
        
         | IIAOPSW wrote:
         | You start by taking recordings of their ultra sonic squeaks, in
         | particular the mating calls. Then you play these recordings
         | back over loud speaker. As the conga line of horny rats waltzes
         | in, BAM! Guillotine.
        
         | droopyEyelids wrote:
         | There are three elements to reducing rat populations:
         | 
         | Removing access to food, destruction of their warrens, and
         | killing the rats themselves.
         | 
         | New York City can not hope to begin on this while garbage
         | disposal involves piling bags of trash on the sidewalk.
         | 
         | Other cities address this by improving their dumpsters and
         | garbage cans, and while that doesn't eliminate rats, it
         | drastically reduces their population, and limits their ability
         | to spread as quickly.
         | 
         | After that it becomes possible to populations further by
         | filling warrens and killing the actual rats.
        
           | acomjean wrote:
           | Somerville Ma is starting to use electric traps. It was
           | pretty effective, but as long as there are meals the problem
           | doesn't stop.
           | 
           | https://www.boston.com/news/local-
           | news/2022/11/15/somerville...
        
       | zxcvbn4038 wrote:
       | "Nuke the entire site from orbit--it's the only way to be sure"
        
         | nxm wrote:
         | Rats would still survive
        
           | erikig wrote:
           | Not just survive - thrive; you'll have taken out all their
           | competition.
        
       | nemo44x wrote:
       | The qualifications for the role are very poor if you're looking
       | for someone to be effective:
       | 
       | > Bachelor's Degree required, preferably public policy, or
       | related design fields, plus 5-8 years of full-time professional
       | experience in a field related to this position
       | 
       | > Swashbuckling attitude, crafty humor, and general aura of
       | badassery
       | 
       | Wouldn't you value someone who actually knows how to control
       | vermin populations at scale in an urban environment? Why would
       | you value someone who has a "public policy" degree. What even is
       | that?
       | 
       | And why does this person need to be a funny pirate? In essence,
       | Jack Sparrow with a public policy degree appears to be the ideal
       | candidate.
       | 
       | To me it sounds like they're more interested in giving off the
       | perception of doing something about the problem while
       | entertaining the public about it, rather than actually solving
       | the problem effectively.
        
         | linuxftw wrote:
         | The mayor's nephew needs a job and holds the degree, obviously.
        
         | asdajksah2123 wrote:
         | You see a lot of private companies add silly qualifications
         | like this as well. So I don't really think it indicates
         | anything other than the dept in question trying to be more
         | "hip".
         | 
         | That being said, it seems clear now that everything from the
         | Adams administration should be treated as "giving off the
         | perception of doing something instead of solving the problem"
         | until proven otherwise.
        
         | scld wrote:
         | >Wouldn't you value someone who actually knows how to control
         | vermin populations at scale in an urban environment? Why would
         | you value someone who has a "public policy" degree. What even
         | is that?
         | 
         | Probably because the real solution (not putting trash directly
         | onto the streets like it's 1780) isn't going to happen, so a
         | degree in public policy will help make it look like you're
         | actually going to do something.
        
           | conductr wrote:
           | It's a management role. They want you to understand and
           | navigate the bureaucracy involved in being a middle manager
           | in city government. Negotiating with Czar of Trash in order
           | to make that real solution a reality, is probably more
           | important than being an expert trap maker. But you definitely
           | want that person on your team!
        
             | jollyllama wrote:
             | The nature of the description makes more sense, given that.
             | It sounded mis-targeted at first, but I was assuming they
             | wanted someone who would actually be waist deep in filth
             | and killing. They want someone to put a hip and sanitized
             | face to those people, but who is also unconventional enough
             | to respect them. They put a line in a about being hands on,
             | but presumably that's a photo-op type/learning thing.
        
       | dropit_sphere wrote:
       | I feel like the qualifications should just be "competent
       | Civilization player" or something.
       | 
       | Actually I think...a lot...of jobs could be filled that way?
        
         | chaorace wrote:
         | It has been a _long_ time since I 've played a round of
         | Civilization[1], but to this day I still default to framing
         | almost every long-term decision in terms of "building tall" vs.
         | "building wide". And then there's EU4, which has drilled into
         | me an obsession with staring a ledgers all day[2].
         | 
         | [1]: _Yaddah, yaddah... "Given the opportunity, players will
         | optimize the fun out of a game"_
         | 
         | [2]: _An unfortunate habit, given the heightened difficulty of
         | pausing IRL time_
        
         | actionablefiber wrote:
         | Unfortunately, the thing that makes me competent Civilization
         | player is that I spend a lot of time playing Civilization
         | instead of working. I'd be happy to take a job on that basis,
         | but I'm not sure I could keep it.
        
       | slickdork wrote:
       | Qualification: - Swashbuckling attitude, crafty humor, and
       | general aura of badassery
       | 
       | I dont want to be the director of rat extermination, but i
       | wouldn't mind working for whoever writes copy on the nyc gov job
       | postings.
        
         | VoodooJuJu wrote:
         | I actually find it pretty cringe - trying to insert
         | movie/cartoon tropes into real life. Definitely written by
         | someone raised on too much TV and internet.
        
         | nix23 wrote:
         | Thanks for making my day! You described exactly the picture i
         | had in my mind...well plus he was from London and looked a bit
         | like Sherlock Holmes (just for the interview of course).
         | 
         | >>New York's Citywide Director of Rodent Mitigation.
         | 
         | That could be also the Director for IT security ;)
         | 
         | Being from Europe, is that whole thing New York City humor?
         | It's incredible funny:
         | 
         | >>New York City's rats are legendary for their survival skills,
         | but they don't run this city - we do.
        
           | yamtaddle wrote:
           | I'm picturing Quint from Jaws.
           | 
           | Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this
           | furball for you, but it ain't gonna be easy. Bad rodent. Not
           | like going down to the sewer and chasing mice and raccoons.
           | This rat, swallow your whole pizza slice. No shakin', no
           | tenderizin', down it goes. And we gotta do it quick, that'll
           | bring back your stock traders, put all your businesses on a
           | payin' basis. But it's not gonna be pleasant. I value my neck
           | a lot more than three thousand bucks, chief. I'll find him
           | for three, but I'll catch him, and kill him, for ten. But
           | you've gotta make up your minds. If you want to stay alive,
           | then ante up. If you want to play it cheap, be on welfare the
           | whole winter. I don't want no volunteers, I don't want no
           | deputies, there's too many CEOs on this island. Ten thousand
           | dollars for me by myself. For that you get the head, the
           | tail, the whole damn thing.
           | 
           | (I like that "island" still works because Manhattan)
        
             | ashwagary wrote:
             | I read the headline and pictured a mobster from Goodfellas.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | I mean, how could it _not_ be?
        
       | corndoge wrote:
       | "Do you have what it takes? A virulent vehemence for vermin?"
       | 
       | Vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of
       | volition?
       | 
       | I'm choosing to believe this is a v for vendetta reference
        
         | nneonneo wrote:
         | "and even attempt to control the movements of kitchen staffers
         | in an effort to take over human jobs."
         | 
         | And a Ratatouille reference too!
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | That was also mentioned earlier in the part about "despite
           | them having good PR" or whatever it was.
        
       | chimeracoder wrote:
       | The only reason this is a problem is because the city refuses to
       | use containerized trash collection (such as dumpsters). Turns
       | out, dumping trash bags on the street for 12 hours 3-6 times a
       | week is basically a free buffet for rats.
       | 
       | The reason the city doesn't implement containerized trash
       | collection is because that would mean giving up a few free
       | parking spots every block.
       | 
       | It got worse during COVID-19 because the city temporarily
       | suspended collection/extermination, which caused the rodent
       | population to explode, and it's never recovered from that. But
       | eliminating the regular meals for rats would be an easy, no-
       | brainer way to fix it.
        
         | pastor_bob wrote:
         | I once stayed at a flat in Berlin and there were rats living in
         | the building trash container. They would literally be scurrying
         | on the top of the pile when I opened it up to throw trash bags
         | away. Hands down my worst experience with rats, even coming
         | from NYC.
         | 
         | This was in Kreuzberg and there seemed to be a lot of rats
         | there because of some abandoned buildings and construction +
         | fields of dirt for them to burrow in
        
         | dublinben wrote:
         | They could adopt Taiwan's musical garbage trucks with zero
         | investment in new garbage containers or loss of parking.
         | Garbage bags go directly from properties into the truck,
         | spending no time festering on the sidewalk.
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMQ1NfjPauw
        
           | chimeracoder wrote:
           | That would require:
           | 
           | - ensuring the truck arrives at or around the same time every
           | week
           | 
           | - forcing people to be at home to throw out their garbage
           | 
           | Both of those are complete non-starters in NYC.
           | 
           | Much easier to use the system that nearly every other large
           | city in the developed world uses (containerized trash
           | collection).
        
         | ruddct wrote:
         | An anecdote: My NYC neighborhood has seen a building boom over
         | the past decade. As far as I can tell, _every_ new building
         | puts its trash out on the street.
         | 
         | Some particularly memorable examples include a 75 story
         | residential tower with absolutely record-breaking trash piles,
         | and a ~25 story residential tower with a trash collection point
         | on the onramp to the Williamsburg bridge. Garbage trucks have
         | to stop in the road to collect trash, manually, bag-by-bag, at
         | every stop.
         | 
         | This is the policy for trash in NYC, and rats will remain a
         | problem as long as it stays that way.
        
           | lazide wrote:
           | Also probably due to corruption in the waste management
           | industry. Why make it efficient if it makes it harder to
           | graft?
        
         | lazide wrote:
         | Well, except that folks already get murdered over parking spots
         | in NYC [https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/public-
         | safety/2022/07/1...], [https://pix11.com/news/local-
         | news/queens/man-sentenced-to-10...],
         | [https://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/11/nyregion/dispute-over-
         | a-p...
        
           | jeffbee wrote:
           | Great, then removing parking will also reduce the homicide
           | rate, in addition to starving the rats, speeding up the bus
           | service, and keeping everyone from getting cancer and
           | dementia. Really, is there _anything_ that banning cars doesn
           | 't solve?
        
             | stevula wrote:
             | I take it you're talking about removing street parking
             | altogether? If they just remove a few parking spots on each
             | block for dumpsters, I can only see that leading to more
             | tension and disputes over the even scarcer parking spaces.
             | Why anyone would want to drive in Manhattan is beyond me.
        
               | toast0 wrote:
               | You're not thinking it through. If you dress your car as
               | a locked dumpster, you can park anywhere!
        
             | humanrebar wrote:
             | Accessibility for people with disabilities.
        
         | LAC-Tech wrote:
         | _The only reason this is a problem is because the city refuses
         | to use containerized trash collection (such as dumpsters).
         | Turns out, dumping trash bags on the street for 12 hours 3-6
         | times a week is basically a free buffet for rats._
         | 
         | The US confuses the hell out of me sometimes.
         | 
         | How do you get to the moon and invent the internet, but can't
         | figure out how to collect refuse in arguably your most
         | prominent city?
        
           | floxy wrote:
           | You may have been hypnotized by movies.                 - New
           | York City Population [0]: 8,804,190       - Population of the
           | United States [1]: 333,327,000       - Percent of people
           | living in NYC: 2.6%
           | 
           | 0: https://www.nyc.gov/site/planning/planning-level/nyc-
           | populat...
           | 
           | 1: https://www.census.gov/popclock/
        
           | subsubzero wrote:
           | These problems were not around during the Giuliani/Bloomberg
           | administrations. I would look who has been the the mayor
           | after them for a culprit.
        
             | chimeracoder wrote:
             | > These problems were not around during the
             | Giuliani/Bloomberg administrations. I would look who has
             | been the the mayor after them for a culprit.
             | 
             | These absolutely were problems during the Giuliani and
             | Bloomberg administration. People have been complaining
             | about them for decades.
             | 
             | It got markedly worse in spring 2020 because sanitation
             | services were temporarily reduced, but it was an issue long
             | before that.
        
           | toast0 wrote:
           | > How do you get to the moon and invent the internet, but
           | can't figure out how to collect refuse in arguably your most
           | prominent city?
           | 
           | Most of us figured out that NYC is a (very expensive) cesspit
           | and have no desire to live or work there. /s
        
           | pastor_bob wrote:
           | There's no confusion.
           | 
           | The only solution are distributed dumpsters/large containers,
           | which are not popular because nobody wants a dumpster in from
           | of _their_ building
        
             | LAC-Tech wrote:
             | Not meaning to come off condescending, but have you
             | considered how other cities around the world have solved
             | this?
             | 
             | The Taiwan solution (garbage truck comes at the same time
             | every day, stops briefly, you throw your rubbish in) seems
             | to work well.
        
               | chimeracoder wrote:
               | > The Taiwan solution (garbage truck comes at the same
               | time every day, stops briefly, you throw your rubbish in)
               | seems to work well.
               | 
               | That requires
               | 
               | - not running trash collection overnight/early morning
               | when people are sleeping
               | 
               | - guaranteeing that the truck arrives at a consistent and
               | predictable time
               | 
               | - forcing people to be at home at a certain time to throw
               | out their trash
               | 
               | All of those are absolutely non-starters in NYC.
               | 
               | Much better to use the solution that every other city in
               | the developed world uses (putting trash in dumpsters)
        
             | chimeracoder wrote:
             | > The only solution are distributed dumpsters/large
             | containers, which are not popular because nobody wants a
             | dumpster in from of their building
             | 
             | That's not been the sticking point, empirically. The issue
             | is that the politicians who can implement this don't want
             | to give up the free parking spots.
             | 
             | It's the loss of free parking that's the motivator, not the
             | dumpster itself.
        
             | SoftTalker wrote:
             | > nobody wants a dumpster in from of their building
             | 
             | Yet they are happy with a large pile of black plastic trash
             | bags leaking all over the sidewalk in front of their
             | building?
        
         | jetrink wrote:
         | Some cities in Europe use underground containers. (An arm on
         | the collection truck can lift them right out of the ground.
         | It's pretty neat.) I wonder if that is feasible for NYC.
         | 
         | 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JtoSafhvLM
        
           | DoingIsLearning wrote:
           | They are still not going to allow for parking spaces. They
           | need to be crane lifted to empty so it's a no parking area
           | anyway.
           | 
           | Still great! No smell, less sidewalk space wasted, and
           | garbage trunks can be less frequent since the containers are
           | a huge underground volume.
        
           | chimeracoder wrote:
           | This would be prohibitively expensive due to the number of
           | underground utilities. In Manhattan, there isn't even a map
           | of all pipes/etc. under a given street or sidewalk, because
           | they were laid so long ago - every time digging is done, they
           | need to carefully dig it up and see what's even there and
           | document it.
           | 
           | So there's no way to even figure out how this could be done
           | without doing all the digging, etc., and at that point the
           | expense is prohibitive.
           | 
           | Not to mention that building that system would require giving
           | up parking spots for the construction, which would cause the
           | same political pushback from the same opponents, so at that
           | point you might as well just do above-ground collection for a
           | fraction of the price, since you'll be fighting the same
           | political battles either way.
        
           | SoftTalker wrote:
           | There are probably too many underground utilities in most
           | areas.
        
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