[HN Gopher] France bans internal flights in favor of trains ___________________________________________________________________ France bans internal flights in favor of trains Author : vincvinc Score : 36 points Date : 2022-12-03 19:56 UTC (3 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.euronews.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.euronews.com) | brainchild-adam wrote: | Does anyone know whether this also applies to the government? | [deleted] | zamadatix wrote: | "A tenth of all departure flights in 2019 were by private jets, | T&E research found" | | That's quite a lot more than I expected. Still I'm a bit | disappointed there isn't more interest in going for high enough | taxation to have it subsidize cleaner emissions elsewhere (e.g. | about half the power in France still comes from oil and gas) | rather than outright bans. If someone really wants to pay that | much to get somewhere let them pay to create net reductions | instead of focusing on how much that trip would create. | ohgodplsno wrote: | >about half the power in France still comes from oil and gas) | | What ? Unless you're talking about global consumption, at the | time of writing this comment, 12% of our electricity production | comes from gas (https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR), and | despite the situation being dogshit throughout Europe, the only | countries cleaner than us at the moment are Norway (because | shitloads of hydro and small country), Sweden (because small | country and shitloads of nuclear) and Slovenia (because small | country and shitloads of hydro). On a good day (read: when half | of our nuclear reactors aren't busy being broken), we're at 40g | eqCO2/kWh. | zamadatix wrote: | I guess that's what I get for taking the front chart on | Wikipedia at face value. | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France seems to have | some weirdly adjusted chart generated by British Petroleum of | all sources as the main image. I'm not even sure I understand | what the heck the "inefficiency" factor they applied is | supposed to be based on. | | Thanks for the correction. | johntb86 wrote: | Will this reduce the popularity of long-haul flights into hubs in | France (e.g. CDG), since it won't be possible to get connecting | flights to other cities in France? | ohgodplsno wrote: | 2h30 by train is not a whole lot. All this does is ban people | from taking a 4h long total flight (taking into account going | to and from the airport, waiting, etc.) that basically brings | you next door. Nobody gets connecting flights to other cities | in France. If you're coming from a long haul, you either land | in Orly/Roissy, Nice or Toulouse. From these places, you're | either still far enough from your destination to take another | flight, or you never had a connection to begin with. | | EDIT: | | Thankfully, Paris isn't the only city in France. Yes, the city | that concentrates every infrastructure has infrastructure to go | everywhere from it, fast. | | Try to go from Nice to Lyon, Toulouse to Bordeaux (which is | juuuuust on that 2h30 limit), Nantes to Brest, etc. All of | these cities that are still major, but just connected through a | TER will keep having access to these flights. | | Truly, it's just Paris. | guenthert wrote: | 2h30 on the TGV _is_ a whole lot. Keep also in mind that | train stations are typically in the center of a city unlike | air ports (with few exceptions). You can get from CDG to | Bordeaux in as little as 2h using the TGV. | tuatoru wrote: | It'll lead to perverse outcomes like people in one city in | France flying to Germany or Spain, and then back to their | destination in France, instead of flying directly. | lm28469 wrote: | No one will ever do that. It's only for trips that can be | replaced by a train trip of less than 2.5 hours, you won't | fly from France to Germany back to France in 2.5 hours if you | include reaching the airport+security+plane switch | nov21b wrote: | Time to bump the TGV capacity. Last time I tried to buy a ticket | for the TGV from Rennes to Bordeaux it was fully booked, which | appears to be a common theme. | hunglee2 wrote: | fantastic to see this type of state intervention. People have | choices, but those sometimes the consequences of those choices | are too severe and choices need to be removed | mytailorisrich wrote: | Well, looks like people _won 't have_ a choice... but it'll be | 'good' PR without making any difference. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-12-03 23:01 UTC)