[HN Gopher] RadTrike Electric Tricycle
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       RadTrike Electric Tricycle
        
       Author : mconbere
       Score  : 42 points
       Date   : 2022-12-06 19:40 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | cialowicz wrote:
       | I recently learned about The Villages, FL, which is a sprawling
       | retirement community, and was the fastest growing metro area in
       | the US over the past decade [0]. This feels like the perfect bike
       | for an aging demographic living in that sort of community. This
       | sort of e-bike will be less intimidating to use for older people,
       | and ultimately it feels like a good move for the company. It's
       | hard to argue with getting more people outdoors and active on
       | bicycles.
       | 
       | [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/us/the-villages-census-
       | fl...
        
         | blamazon wrote:
         | Smaller than The Villages, is Peachtree City outside of
         | Atlanta, which is notable for making off-street micromobility
         | pathways a priority in city planning: (relative to the rest of
         | the suburban US)
         | 
         | https://www.peachtree-city.org/DocumentCenter/View/17110/Pat...
         | 
         | (If the map looks a little weird, it's because there's a
         | zillion unofficial paths to connect the dots)
         | 
         | They've rallied around golf carts historically but it's a great
         | place to bike. I use an E-bike and see a lot of recumbent
         | bicycles using the pathways.
        
       | throwayyy479087 wrote:
       | I truly hate these things because I can JUST BARELY convince
       | myself not to buy one. EBikes are so much fun, and in this format
       | are so practical....
       | 
       | Maybe i'll wait for the second gen
        
       | beau_g wrote:
       | This is the perfect combination we've been waiting for: safety of
       | a 1980s Honda 3 wheeler ATC, design language of a Rascal Scooter
        
       | smileysteve wrote:
       | I'm looking for a tricycle that has a differential for the rear
       | wheels.
        
       | tgorgolione wrote:
       | I tried to learn how to drive a 200cc gas scooter so I could save
       | money versus buying a new car, with disastrous effect (broke my
       | leg and arm). So now, what I really want is something in tricycle
       | form, but at a $3k price point. Maybe an electric trike that can
       | go on a town road lane (maybe with a top speed of 40-50mph), and
       | has a roof attachment to protect the driver from rain, etc.
       | Getting the exercise from pedaling would be an added benefit.
        
       | throwaway1777 wrote:
       | At some point the line between electric car and bike gets very
       | blurry.
        
         | CharlesW wrote:
         | The pre-order price of the e-bike is $2,500. Which electric car
         | makes that line blurry?
        
           | austinbeer wrote:
           | https://www.wired.com/story/review-wuling-hongguang-mini-ev/
           | https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Hot-Sale-2022-New-
           | Che...
           | 
           | Like $2-$8k electric car / golf cart-sih cars are already
           | happening!
        
             | cwoolfe wrote:
             | Whoa! +1 for https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Hot-
             | Sale-2022-New-Che... Is that legal to drive on US roads?!
        
               | sbierwagen wrote:
               | Depends on the state and municipality. Check your local
               | laws regarding golf carts.
        
               | rmahan wrote:
               | Definitely not. Electrek bought a LEV (Light Electric
               | Vehicle) truck like this and it wasn't. They're unsafe
               | for roads due to lack of many safety features
        
             | bityard wrote:
             | We need AgingWheels to buy one of these
        
           | sbierwagen wrote:
           | https://jalopnik.com/the-worlds-cheapest-ev-is-genuinely-
           | goo...
           | 
           | Basically a fully enclosed golf cart, lead acid batteries and
           | all. Was $1,200 a year ago.
           | 
           | Can it go on the highway? No. Is it crashworthy? No. But
           | neither is an ebike, and this at least keeps the rain off
           | you.
        
         | undersuit wrote:
         | Just like the line between an ICE car and a bike with a two-
         | stroke strapped on.
        
       | gorgoiler wrote:
       | My 2021 radrunner plus has some serious defects. The charging
       | port is prone to weather corrosion. Charging is a risky action
       | that may or may not blow some very sensitive fuses. The
       | mechanical disc brakes suck and are very hard to balance. The
       | discs were supplied warped. I pretty much had to suck that up
       | because of the misery of returning a faulty machine to an online
       | bike company. The seat is a notorious bum numbing pain. The
       | shifters are plastic crap. It rusts.
       | 
       | Fixing a rear puncture was a slow but pleasing experience that
       | seems to be one thing where they've optimised for: maintenance.
       | 
       | I'm resigned to it hitting the scrap heap after 3000km. It's only
       | a matter of time. It's such a shame that at their price points
       | these devices are basically disposable. Spend 2x the money on
       | something not bought online and you'll probably enjoy 5x the
       | lifetime.
       | 
       | Thanks for trying though, Rad. I get your passion. It just didn't
       | work out but maybe you'll level out into something cool soon.
       | Maybe this trike is it? Heavier, clunkier, even more fixable, and
       | with more bulletproof electronics on the drivetrain and you could
       | win out against the clones, especially if you had a fully fleshed
       | out service partnership in the EU.
        
         | simfree wrote:
         | Replacing the discs on each wheel is straightforward, and the
         | warping your noticing might be due to pressure from the
         | mounting screws that tie it to the rim of the bike.
         | 
         | Have you tried loosening these, applying the brakes fully, and
         | tightening the screws hand tight to center the brake disc and
         | let it relax to flat?
         | 
         | I think the future is dual hub motors with Regen braking.
         | Having tried this on a brakeless bike and a modified scooter,
         | the performance is very good.
        
           | germinalphrase wrote:
           | Brakeless bike? Are you able to emergency stop?
        
         | insane_dreamer wrote:
         | I commuted daily to work on a RadCity bike pre-covid (wfh since
         | then) and my experience with it was excellent.
        
         | dohdhdaa wrote:
         | 3000km seems ridiculous as the lifetime for a bicycle, and to
         | make it worse an e-bike will be e-waste. That would mean it was
         | trash in a year for my commute alone, and this is in NYC where
         | commutes are pretty short. That doesn't even account for
         | recreational riding.
         | 
         | That being said a puncture is just a normal bicycle problem.
         | Does Rad offer tubeless compatible components? I'm guessing
         | e-bikers may be less "normal bicycle maintenance" oriented than
         | your average road/gravel/mountain bike owner and tubeless would
         | nearly eliminate punctures.
        
         | darzu wrote:
         | Just to add a different anecdote: I have a 2021 radrunner I use
         | daily in Seattle (hilly & rainy), love it, and I have non of
         | these complaints. I have 4 friends with Rads who love them as
         | well.
         | 
         | I don't doubt any of your experiences, but I mention this so
         | readers can get more perspectives.
         | 
         | Perhaps one significant difference between us is that Rad has a
         | showroom / repair shop in Seattle, although I haven't needed
         | them for anything other than easier parts pickup (fenders and
         | break pads.)
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | I usually recommend electric bikes from actual bike companies,
         | like Specialized, because there won't be any weird surprises,
         | you won't have to assemble it yourself, and it will last
         | forever. But everyone I know, other than myself, has gone with
         | a newer electric-only company like Rad or VanMoof. I assume
         | price is the reason.
        
           | mongol wrote:
           | But bikes are not rocket science. They can be advanced and
           | high tech, but they can also just be ordinary, well built
           | bikes if using good parts. If the parts are good then the
           | bike is good, the brand matters less for a bike than say for
           | a car.
        
             | jeffbee wrote:
             | Well, I just think a real bike company probably has real
             | bike engineers on the staff already and maybe real
             | engineering experience and resources like FEA models and so
             | forth. These new companies make a lot of mistakes, like
             | Yuba with their forks sheering off, and like Rad with their
             | custom, not-available-anywhere tire size. I feel that with
             | a big brand you're going to get a no-surprises bike.
        
               | justinator wrote:
               | I think what you're going to get from a big brand is a
               | support system for when things go south (ie: a warranty).
               | It used to be that bike shops stocked a few brands of
               | bikes and those brands had a relationship with the shop
               | to provide customer service and a bridge between customer
               | and brand. Less so now after Covid, but it's still a
               | thing.
               | 
               | Bikes are one of those things that are sort of figured
               | out how to make (tho eBikes, less so). You can go to a
               | trade show in east Asia, spec out exactly what you want a
               | run of bikes to be, and they'll do all the hard work for
               | you, and ship you a container full of "your" bikes. Many
               | brands use the same bike manufacturer/factory. Shop for
               | some of them on bikesdirect.com. Many of the "brand"
               | names are just stickers - the companies may have existed
               | as something decades ago, but now live as a name only.
               | 
               | Even a more established brand will send over the cad
               | files of the frame to be built (usually the only really
               | distinguishing thing in most bikes), then spec out the
               | rest of the parts to be put on it. A few visits to the
               | factory from a brand rep/engineer to get details right
               | (welds, layups), then start pumping out orders.
        
           | darzu wrote:
           | I've a friend with an electric Specialized, and while his
           | bike looks cooler my Rad is faster, half the price, with much
           | better millage, and I can still hang it from the wall in my
           | apt.
           | 
           | One thing I've noticed is that pretty much every established
           | bike company is placing the motor on the pedal crank, whereas
           | Rad uses a much bigger (750w in my case) in-wheel hub motor.
           | The acceleration with a hub motor is so much better and
           | doesn't depend on what gear I'm in.
        
             | enragedcacti wrote:
             | mid-drives are usually a higher-end option for more serious
             | recreational riding where predictability and responsiveness
             | is more important than raw acceleration or long range.
             | Basically the goal of the mid-drive is to make you feel
             | like you are riding an analog bike but as a much more fit
             | rider. Sending the power from the bottom bracket helps to
             | keep you and the motor in sync, balances the weight
             | distribution, keep unsprung/rotating weight low, etc. and
             | the small battery keeps the bike light and maneuverable.
             | 
             | > The acceleration with a hub motor is so much better and
             | doesn't depend on what gear I'm in.
             | 
             | I have a 750 watt radbike and I always find this a little
             | bit bothersome in that I end up in situations where I feel
             | like I'm being dragged forward when I don't want to be
             | because my cadence got just a little bit too fast and the
             | motor starts dumping power. I end up treating the pedal
             | assist as another set of gearing to manage so it doesn't
             | start giving me too much power when I am pedalling in a low
             | gear. Higher end hub drives and pretty much all mid-drives
             | solve this by using a torque sensor so the motor responds
             | to the wattage you are putting down rather than the
             | cadence.
        
             | jeffbee wrote:
             | What do you mean about hanging on the wall? One of the
             | things you are getting for your $5k from Specialized is
             | light weight. They have ebikes down to 34 pounds, about
             | half what a radrunner weighs.
        
               | darzu wrote:
               | Yes, the Specialized is much lighter. I mention still
               | being able to hang the bike because that's the situation
               | where I notice the extra weight the most. If I couldn't,
               | it would have been a deal breaker for me.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | I really like my RadWagon 4, but several weeks ago, I received
         | a recall notice with their recommendation to stop using the
         | bike until replacements/repairs have been made. I'm really
         | happy they will be making the repairs for me, but since they
         | parts won't even be ready until Feb/Mar 2023 it does me no good
         | since the eBike is my primary mode of transportation.
         | 
         | I know eBikes popularity went to the moon during the pandemic,
         | the global shortages, yadda yadda, but my overall experience
         | from RadPowerBikes customer satisfaction isn't the highest.
         | 
         | As of now, my recalled parts have not failed, and I continue
         | using it, but it's not a good look. I know they have to make
         | those kind of "don't use until repaired" for liability reasons,
         | but man it's frustrating.
        
           | googlryas wrote:
           | Yup, same. I bought my radwagon 4 in august, and then in
           | early september was told I should not ride it. And maybe they
           | will be ready to fix it in Feb/Mar, or maybe it will be
           | later. If it was just me, I would risk it, but I bought it to
           | ferry my kids on so I'm not going to do that. So we got to
           | ride it for 4 weeks, and have had it sitting in our garage
           | for the past 13 weeks, and it will probably be another 13
           | weeks until it is fixed again if we are lucky. And basically
           | all we get is the bike fixed to the state it should have been
           | in upon delivery, not any kind of compensation for them
           | giving us an unsafe bike and not being able to ride it for 6+
           | months.
           | 
           | I would not recommend this brand. I guess they decided to do
           | a lot of custom components which is why they have like a 6
           | month lead time to ship out new non-defective tires (or
           | whatever).
           | 
           | You'll find a lot of love for it online, and I think it is
           | genuine, but I suspect the love for the brand is because it
           | is bought by biking neophytes and makes biking accessible to
           | people who don't want to put a lot of effort into it(nothing
           | wrong with that). So it opens up a lot of possibilities for
           | getting outside and getting fresh air without needing strong
           | thighs or aerobic fitness or getting sweaty, and people
           | associate that with their radwagon, not just generally with
           | an ebike. But there is nothing particularly different about
           | this brand compared to other ebike brands. A lot of ebikes
           | look and function exactly the same as the radwagon, and
           | haven't been part of a longstanding recall.
        
             | qwertox wrote:
             | Hazard: The rim strip on the tires can be misaligned,
             | causing the tube to pop and damage the tire. Additionally,
             | the tires with a ribbed sidewall can unexpectedly go flat,
             | risking serious injuries from loss of control and/or crash.
             | 
             | This is something a beginner can repair. This is normal
             | stuff for those who ride bikes and don't go to a shop for
             | little repairs. Replacing a tube (and fixing it with a
             | small vulcanizing kit) is biking 101, and there they're not
             | even expecting you to repair that. Just check how to
             | replace the tube of a wheel in a youtube video and while at
             | it, check if your strip needs alignment. Tyres often go
             | flat but you normally feel that something is off because it
             | feels "smeary".
             | 
             | The warning is just for those who are not the slightest bit
             | technically inclined and don't feel like doing any of this.
             | To avoid lawsuits.
             | 
             | I bet in the Netherlands any 10 year old kid could check if
             | your wagon is affected and if it is, align the strip.
        
       | stevehawk wrote:
       | This seems like a horrible idea. Three wheelers were outlawed for
       | a reason, motorcycle trikes/sidecars aren't super stable either.
       | I'm surprised someone would opt for this instead of a two wheels
       | up front design.
        
         | pnathan wrote:
         | Yes, that's an interesting choice. I remember when trikes were
         | pulled in the late 80s- very risky. Two wheels up front made a
         | return in the last decade.
         | 
         | I'm going to be following this. I think a Trike will be
         | enormously popular because of the stability, but it has to be
         | _stable_. Rad tends to design for low cost... I hope this wasn
         | 't a terrible choice.....
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | The big advantage of a bike is it's faster and can be used for
       | sidewalks and roads easier. A trike is too wide and heavy. You
       | cannot use it for commuting
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | I doubt this trike is any wider than some of the big ass baby
         | strollers out and about
        
         | UncleOxidant wrote:
         | My dad is 82. He can't ride a 2 wheel bike anymore as he's a
         | bit shaky, but he can ride a trike.
        
         | kasey_junk wrote:
         | Very few jurisdictions in the US allow you to ride bikes on
         | sidewalks as an adult.
        
       | sf4lifer wrote:
       | Why hasn't anyone slapped on a gyroscope and just made an
       | electric bike self balancing?
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | Are you just too embarrassed to use training wheels?
        
         | stingrae wrote:
         | https://weel.bike/ It's complicated and expensive for something
         | that most people don't want.
        
         | topkai22 wrote:
         | In this case, it looks like the 3rd wheel also substantially
         | increases payload capacity- 415 lbs versus 350 on a radwagon,
         | plus a slightly better cargo set up and substantially better
         | load, unload experience.
        
           | kennywinker wrote:
           | Exactly! Easier to get on/off. Easier to load up with cargo.
           | Stopped a light? No need to put a foot down. Super accessible
           | for people with reduced mobility, yes, but also super useful
           | for people getting around the city and moving stuff with
           | them.
           | 
           | Canada Post is currently testing electric cargo trikes for
           | delivery in my city. They're beefier than this, but the same
           | idea. I live near the postal depo, and I love seeing them zip
           | around - feels like the future.
        
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         | Gys wrote:
         | https://www.designboom.com/technology/self-driving-bicycle-h...
        
           | dmix wrote:
           | That's amazing, I never thought of self-driving ebikes. This
           | has to be the future in urban cities right? Especially in
           | Asia...
           | 
           | Assuming LIDAR eventually becomes cheap enough or cameras
           | become sufficient for the job.
        
         | kennywinker wrote:
         | In order for it to self-balance, it'd need full control of the
         | front wheel position. Source: I can almost do a track stand.
        
         | FpUser wrote:
         | Would be fun on sharp turns.
        
       | flatiron wrote:
       | I'm unsure why nobody releases a compact electric 4 seater car
       | with a 60 mile range for running the kids to school and grabbing
       | some random groceries. Basically a beefed up golf cart. That's
       | all I need to drop my kids off at school each day which is 95% of
       | my weekday driving.
        
         | justinator wrote:
         | Plenty of Moms moving around town with a few kiddos in the back
         | of their long trail eBikes. They seem to fit two rugrats on
         | those things.
        
         | bagels wrote:
         | Nissan leaf? BMW i3?
        
         | zemvpferreira wrote:
         | Because people won't buy it. This is just like the "smaller
         | iPhone" conversation. Even in Europe compacts are disappearing
         | because everyone would rather buy 100% more car for 50% more
         | money.
         | 
         | It's that simple.
         | 
         | EDIT: that said we now have the Dacia Spring which is
         | approximately what you're asking for. Even that is on the
         | chopping block two years after being introduced and selling
         | like hotcakes.
        
       | stillbourne wrote:
       | I've got a recumbent bike that I added electric to. I had to redo
       | the setup though because I initially built it with a hub motor
       | which made hill climbing still be a bit of a bitch so I rebuilt
       | it with a middrive motor.
        
         | UI_at_80x24 wrote:
         | I ride a LongBikes SlipStream and have been considering getting
         | a mid-drive myself. Are you on a LWB or a SWB bike? Any
         | tips/suggestions?
         | 
         | As a nice bonus, the wheelbase of my bike gives me a TONNE of
         | space under the frame and within the frame for battery packs.
         | So it's a whole project that I'm going to get started on after
         | I move.
        
       | newaccount2021 wrote:
        
       | loufe wrote:
       | If anyone here is from RadPower, please fix the Canadian site
       | redirect. It's SO frustrating having sites recommend we use their
       | Canadian version, only to get redirected to the Canadian home
       | page or be told that that product doesn't exist (yet in Canada, I
       | presume).
        
       | mgrthrow wrote:
       | Electric bikes are an order of magnitude more efficient than cars
       | and several times more efficient than bikes. (Measured as
       | calories/electrical power).
       | 
       | People who ride electric bikes still get the benefits of exercise
       | (elevated heart rate, muscle use) though obviously less than
       | regular biking.
       | 
       | I ride mine year round in Seattle, it's incredible. I deliver
       | cargo, go grocery shopping, visit the library. This should be the
       | default mode.
        
       | dohdhdaa wrote:
       | I am a decently experienced NYC cyclist. Not Terry Barentsen or
       | anything, but pretty decent at biking both in fitness terms and
       | in practical urban NYC riding.
       | 
       | The biggest problem with e-bikers, and general e-thing riders, as
       | a population, is that they haven't built the bike skills
       | equivalent to the speed that they can go at. I can ride 20mph if
       | I want to, but it took a long time for me to be able to do that.
       | I had to ride a lot. In doing so, I got a lot of practice.
       | 
       | E-bikes allow you to do that with basically no practice. The
       | resulting behavior is not good. They ride erratically. They ride
       | with AirPods. They salmon. They salmon at night with no lights.
       | They salmon on roads that aren't even one way! They shoal at
       | every intersection.
       | 
       | So this thing will make them double wide as they salmon... I
       | don't want to be opposed to e-bikes but the practical effects on
       | cycling, for those of us that were already doing it, since the
       | pandemic explosion, haven't been great.
        
         | UncleOxidant wrote:
         | What does 'salmon' mean here? The first time I read it above, I
         | thought you meant 'slalom' but then you repeated 'salmon'
         | several times so it seems deliberate.
        
           | BoorishBears wrote:
           | Go the wrong way up a one way street. Dangerous because
           | people are generally not expecting things to come from the
           | wrong way.
           | 
           | (Technically going on the wrong side of the road is also
           | salmoning, but in NYC it was almost always wrong way on a
           | one-way
        
           | bityard wrote:
           | I want to know what it means to "shoal" on a bike. There are
           | just too many marine references here.
        
       | fudged71 wrote:
       | Boomers popularized the e-bike and now they're getting one
       | designed for their needs
        
         | kennywinker wrote:
         | Can you imagine how many fewer car crash injuries/fatalities
         | we'll have if boomers turn to these kinds of vehicles as they
         | age instead of driving long past their ability to do it safely?
         | Your reaction time to safely drive one of these can be so much
         | slower, and the damage you do when you mess up is going to be
         | much much smaller. I really hope this catches on.
        
         | CharlesW wrote:
         | Seems great! E-trikes are also more accessible for those with
         | special needs, and are great for hauling stuff.
        
         | dang wrote:
         | No generational flamewar on HN, please.
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | What? Ebike owners by age: 18-29: 46%; 30-44: 38%; 45-64: 14%;
         | 65+: 3%. Boomers are 58-76 years old.
         | https://business.yougov.com/content/44110-tracing-demographi...
        
       | endisneigh wrote:
       | Trikes are dangerous at high speed. Anyone seriously considering
       | this should understand how to properly turn with this style of
       | trike. I'm surprised they didn't do the inverted triangle style.
       | 
       | I understand the market for not DIY, but someone considering this
       | should also consider buying a Schwinn Meridian and a conversion
       | kit (front wheel hub) and saving $1500.
       | 
       | Speaking of which, it would be interesting to see someone bend
       | some copper to use as a frame and use some plexiglass to create a
       | roof to keep rain off you.
        
         | bityard wrote:
         | Some years ago, I followed a YouTuber who did exactly this and
         | it turned out he had no end of reliability issues with the
         | bearings, wheels, and frame because it turns out pedal-powered
         | trikes just aren't built for the significantly higher speeds
         | and weight of a motor-powered trike, especially when used for
         | multi-mile trips as a daily commuter.
         | 
         | Range was not great either, due to the extra weight of the
         | wooden box he made to hold everything but the rest probably
         | applies to many lower-end two-wheeled bikes too.
         | 
         | I suspect this is the reason that most higher-end electric
         | bikes more closely resemble electric motorcycles than bikes, in
         | terms of wheel size and frame build.
        
       | bryanlarsen wrote:
       | This is in response to the troll who you can see with showdead.
       | 
       | The average electric bike owner gets more exercise than the
       | average cyclist or the average driver:
       | 
       | https://electrek.co/2019/08/11/electric-bike-riders-more-exe...
       | 
       | In retrospect it's not that surprising since the average cyclist
       | doesn't use their bike...
        
         | scythe wrote:
         | I wonder if you could call this an example of Jevons' Paradox.
         | Ebikes get you more distance per calorie, so you spend more
         | calories, because more destinations are within reach.
         | 
         | (Refresher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_Paradox )
        
         | mattwest wrote:
         | Yea but you don't become a cyclist until you start pedaling.
        
           | TaylorAlexander wrote:
           | I have always been a cyclist. Heck I even competed in the Sea
           | Otter Classic mountain bike race when I was 15, where I got
           | to ride my bike on Laguna Seca racetrack, which I think is
           | neat. I am a cyclist even when I am not on my bike.
           | 
           | In recent years I haven't been riding much. A couple months
           | ago I put an electric motor on my bike, and now I am riding
           | it all the time. And I am still a cyclist!
        
           | beebmam wrote:
           | My best friend was just hit by a car on a 40mph road and had
           | to be hospitalized with a traumatic brain injury and seizures
           | that he's still not recovered from (and maybe never will).
           | 
           | I'm not cycling again in my city until we start protecting
           | cyclists here. The roads where I live are absurdly unsafe for
           | cyclists to be on. It's a fucking joke to put a bike lane
           | without a physical divider a few inches next to cars on a
           | 40mph road.
        
             | bluGill wrote:
             | I'll bet your city has a bike advocacy group. Find them and
             | get involved. Even if it just write letters, they need
             | people to put pressure on to get things to happen. They
             | also need people to vote against someone who doesn't help
             | their goals.
        
         | labrador wrote:
         | Ageist comments always make me laugh. I'm old and let me tell
         | you it's a horror movie to have your body slowly decay and stop
         | working with no hope of repair. If they only knew the shock of
         | a doctor telling you that it's "not worth repairing that" in
         | reference to some important body part, such as a knee or hip. I
         | wished electric bikes fixed this but no, they only make the
         | inevitable easier to take.
        
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