[HN Gopher] Fireship - Learn to Code Faster
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       Fireship - Learn to Code Faster
        
       Author : WallyFunk
       Score  : 132 points
       Date   : 2022-12-09 19:04 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
       | The best hackers I know are all super fast. That is the one
       | quality that is common. They can create huge amounts of business
       | value in a very short time by using fewer but better
       | abstractions.
        
         | peter_d_sherman wrote:
         | They are also super terse!
         | 
         | They do the _most_ amount of work -- with the _least_ amount of
         | code!
         | 
         | (Compare to long-winded political speeches where a lot is said
         | -- but very little is actually accomplished! <g>)
        
           | ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
           | Correct
        
       | cybrox wrote:
       | I haven't used the Fireship site or any of their courses but I do
       | really enjoy their YouTube channel. Especially the XYZ in 100s is
       | a nice bite-sized introduction to some things you might have
       | never heard of. https://www.youtube.com/@Fireship
        
         | mrtksn wrote:
         | Their videos are often the best introduction to frameworks,
         | technologies or concepts. I'm consistently surprised how well
         | that channel manages to pack quite technical topics.
        
         | baron816 wrote:
         | +1 for the YouTube channel. The Code Report is a fun watch as
         | well.
        
         | ConradKilroy wrote:
         | I concur, their yt channel of 100s video series is succinct.
        
         | calny wrote:
         | 100% agree about the YouTube Channel. It's especially useful
         | for being a self-taught programmer trying to decide between
         | frameworks, other development options, etc. Also I just watched
         | their video from a couple days ago, "Things are gonna get weird
         | in 2023" about how tech trends will play out next year, and
         | it's both on point and hilarious.
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v_TEnpqHXE
        
       | troebr wrote:
       | I read this as "Learn to <code faster>", instead of "<Learn to
       | code> faster". Heck yeah I want to code faster!
        
         | w-m wrote:
         | Me too, must be the advent of code leaderboard envy! I'm
         | reading the puzzle text, implementing a nice little solution,
         | debugging it a little bit, and after a few tries get the
         | correct result. Entering the result, happy that it has worked,
         | and realizing, that there were 4000 people faster than me
         | again.
         | 
         | It does not bother me too much, but it is humbling. And I guess
         | speed puzzle solving is a skill that can be trained like any
         | other, so given the context I too thought, that these a website
         | to learn exactly that.
        
           | steve76 wrote:
        
         | 147 wrote:
         | Me too! I thought there was a ship that'll burn down if you
         | don't code fast enough. The video thumbnail showing "100
         | seconds" made me think there was a timer.
        
           | KMag wrote:
           | Yea, I was thinking some kind of spaceship RPG where you'd
           | need to quickly code up short programs to deal with various
           | surprise situations.
           | 
           | "Quick, generate a prioritized list of polar coordinate
           | firing directions based on this CSV of enemy ships in
           | cartesian coordinates and their offensive strengths"
           | 
           | Edit: Chatting on AIM was how I finally learned to touch-type
           | properly. It's funny how a small amount of urgency really
           | improves the value of certain exercises.
        
             | DylanSp wrote:
             | This might go well with some theming based on A Fire Upon
             | the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky, given how Vinge
             | describes programming and automation as critical to
             | operating spacecraft in those books.
        
               | chrisweekly wrote:
               | Those were fun reads!
        
         | Sakos wrote:
         | Really? I was critical of it because the bottleneck is almost
         | never coding speed for me. xD
        
           | KMag wrote:
           | There are broadly two aspects to my last couple of roles:
           | infrastructure development and operational support. My infra
           | development isn't speed-limited, but operational support
           | involves a lot of quick back-of-the-envelope estimates of
           | large datasets and/or one-off automation many invocations of
           | commandline tools.
           | 
           | My infrastructure work is in C++ and Python, whereas I most
           | often reach for jq, awk, tr, sort, uniq, comm, etc. for
           | operational support tasks.
        
         | omarhaneef wrote:
         | Same.
         | 
         | 1. Ask chatgpt to write the code
         | 
         | 2. Debug the obvious errors
         | 
         | 3. Ask stack overflow to find the non-obvious errors
         | 
         | 4. Repeat
         | 
         | You accidentally become a better programmer like the old days
         | when people would learn by typing in listings from compute.
        
         | bitwize wrote:
         | One word, my dude: Lisp.
        
       | RobTonino wrote:
       | Learned a lot from him in my super early days. Sometimes can
       | teach whole topics, others it can give you the right amount of
       | knowledge to search it and study it your self. Keep going Jeff
        
       | kecupochren wrote:
       | The landing page says every course starts free but it's only
       | intro "overview" videos I can watch. None of the actual content
       | can be seen before paying.
        
         | HiroProtagonist wrote:
         | I had the same experience. I was disappointed.
        
         | digitallyfree wrote:
         | They also talk about how their "project-based" learning is
         | better than video learning, but it doesn't provide any examples
         | of that. All I can see without registering are sample video
         | lessons. Obviously they don't need to provide everything for
         | free but they do need to prove to potential customers that
         | their approach is better.
        
       | sosodev wrote:
       | "You can't learn to code by watching videos" -- this is 100%
       | false
       | 
       | "I create short highly-focused videos" -- a bit contradictory,
       | no? Sure it's "project based" but so are many other free courses
        
         | humanistbot wrote:
         | I think you can't learn to code *just* by watching videos.
         | Videos can be a start, but you need practice. You can't learn
         | to be a carpenter by watching videos either, but videos can be
         | a great way to get started.
        
       | hr0m wrote:
       | I have nothing to do with web development but the YouTube channel
       | fireship is great. Funny and informative.
        
       | kleiba wrote:
       | So, I click on "start here", get to three pages of promises of
       | greatness and then - while I still don't have a clue what this
       | thing _really_ is - I get asked to sign up.
       | 
       | Err, no, thank you.
        
       | 63 wrote:
       | $30 /month feels like a lot to me. It reminds me of leetcode
       | where I would actually consider paying for the service but the
       | price is just so high I can't justify it for how little time I
       | would spend with it. Maybe the price makes sense if you're going
       | through every course on the site, but I'm really only interested
       | in one or two so it just doesn't make sense for me. I'll just
       | learn from other sources.
        
         | eachro wrote:
         | Leetcode's problem is that the free option is already really
         | good. The premium version's offering just isn't compelling.
         | Official solutions while nice are often not as helpful as the
         | community submitted solutions. Getting access to more interview
         | questions also isn't a selling point given how many questions
         | are already on the site for free.
        
         | epolanski wrote:
         | Those prices are ridiculous but I guess they have optimized it
         | and figured it's the best option.
        
           | digianarchist wrote:
           | You think $30 a month is ridiculous?
        
             | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
             | The worth and value of something is all relative to every
             | each person.
        
             | epolanski wrote:
             | Yes.
        
             | mistercheph wrote:
             | -Digianarchist
        
           | xenospn wrote:
           | People go to leetcode when they're preparing for interviews,
           | but the site has no long term retention IMHO.
        
       | 999900000999 wrote:
       | 30$ a month is a ton to spend compared to something free like the
       | Odin project.
       | 
       | https://www.theodinproject.com/
       | 
       | If you charged 10$ for it I would off already signed up. I
       | actually want to learn front end React
        
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