[HN Gopher] Video games made in the USSR
       ___________________________________________________________________
        
       Video games made in the USSR
        
       Author : Bondi_Blue
       Score  : 66 points
       Date   : 2022-12-11 19:16 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.rbth.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.rbth.com)
        
       | indigodaddy wrote:
       | Not Russian, Polish I believe, but Soldat is one of the best
       | games I've played..
        
       | yetanotherforg wrote:
       | If only russia put as much effort into country building as they
       | did into propaganda and genocide.
        
         | RugnirViking wrote:
         | The soviets made a pretty good go of turning a theistic feudal
         | monarchy largely with an economy focused on agriculture into
         | the second biggest industrial power in the world for almost a
         | hundred years. Certainly not perfect, and horrible to live in
         | in many ways, but better at building an economy than a lot of
         | other similarly sized places.
        
           | batter wrote:
           | 'second biggest industrial power' assume this is a joke. Poor
           | quality: anything that was made was so bad, this habit is
           | still alive and even russians hate their own products.
           | Stealing: ancient car designs and engineering is good
           | example. And as you know it never improved. Millions of lives
           | were taken to achieve nonsense goals, people were starved,
           | frozen, deprevated from food. What kind of human you have to
           | be justify that? Well, but it didn't touch you or your
           | family, so it's fine. Lets continue glorifying crazy stuff,
           | we're just engineers, right?
        
           | qaq wrote:
           | That's pretty bold statement considering USSR collapse was
           | caused by economic weakness. It never was "second biggest
           | industrial power " outside of it's own propaganda.
        
             | RugnirViking wrote:
             | That's true. I feel like there is a bit of both here.
             | Around the 1950s to 1970s, they were capable of some pretty
             | impressive projects, civillian and millitary. Things like
             | mass rollout of power infrastructure, road networks, city
             | construction, the space race, etc. their GDP is today
             | estimated to have been around half that of the US had at
             | the time. Their growth in production numbers for
             | tanks/planes etc throughout ww2 was extrodinary as well.
             | However they hit a real period of stagnation in the 1970s
             | which just got worse and worse over time, i'm not an expert
             | as to exactly why but my guess would be they developed a
             | culture of corruption that continues to plague russia to
             | this day
        
               | batter wrote:
               | Yeah, just 100k+ of wasted lives on single project only,
               | but engineering worth it, right?
               | https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1980-2/bam/
        
               | RugnirViking wrote:
               | You are engaging in severely bad faith. I never mentioned
               | that project, and certainly never said 100k lives were a
               | worthwhile cost. That is not how we do things here on
               | hacker news.
        
               | qaq wrote:
               | USSR spent most of it's GDP on military plus central
               | planing is unworkable system especially with all the
               | idiotic soviet KPI's on top of it.
        
               | RugnirViking wrote:
               | Is that true? I would be interested to see the numbers on
               | that. I would have expected their spending to be on a
               | similar-ish level to the US at the time (which while
               | high, probably never crossed the 50% mark)
        
               | qaq wrote:
               | It's more you have to realise that the way things were
               | structured there was never an honest count. As an
               | anecdotal example my father in-law was chief eng. at
               | Kharkov factory that was producing Nuclear Missile
               | guidance systems and other high end mil. parts. Factory
               | had 10,000 employees yet officially it was producing
               | electric razors and things like this were the norm.
        
               | RugnirViking wrote:
               | I can believe that. They certainly had a lot of
               | corruption and behind-the-scenes lying to make things
               | fit, especially towards the end. However it seems to me
               | that there must have been at least some growth there
               | underpinning things for some time, else they would have
               | collapsed much easiler, right? They also seemed to have
               | an outsized economic impact abroad compared to other
               | places with similar population that started the 20th
               | century in a similar economic place (india, china, south
               | america).
        
           | lottin wrote:
           | And somehow they managed to starve millions of people in the
           | process. If you call this a good job.... okay.
        
             | RugnirViking wrote:
             | Did I ever say they were/are saints? The OP was commenting
             | on their poor "country building" which I interpret largely
             | as economy building. It was a horrible place to be
        
         | mardifoufs wrote:
         | Russia or the ussr?
        
       | lvl102 wrote:
       | I am really not a fan of anything made in USSR and Russia
       | anymore. Nearly everything they created and released to the world
       | has been toxic.
        
         | xkcd1963 wrote:
         | You gotta google a bit more my friend
        
       | GuB-42 wrote:
       | There is a joke about how Tetris has been the most effective
       | soviet weapon against the US, causing more damage in productivity
       | losses than anything else the USSR did during the cold war.
        
         | flandish wrote:
         | One could say similar things about the differences between
         | tiktok algorithms in the US vs China.
        
           | fmajid wrote:
           | The Information had an interview of the founders back when it
           | was called Musical.ly. When asked why the service was not
           | available in China itself, they responded "Oh no, Chinese
           | kids must study".
        
           | themodelplumber wrote:
           | As long as you don't care about the duty cycle concept, and
           | the value of human expression, everything on TikTok looks
           | like a silly waste of time. A lot of tech content included.
           | 
           | Fortunately the Party sees humans as cogs in a perpetual
           | motion machine, so their machinery will break down soon,
           | moreso the more they FakeTok...
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | Microsoft's Solitaire might compete, being bundled with windows
         | itself.
        
           | kemitchell wrote:
           | Maybe old Netscape folks shouldn't feel so bad.
           | 
           | Microsoft even did it to the Soviet Union. And they got away
           | with it that time! ;-P
        
       | beebeepka wrote:
       | I remember some of these. Man, PC gaming was crap back then,
       | wasn't it. Russian arcades I remember somewhat fondly, though.
       | The mechanical *ball games, that space battle thing with its
       | illuminator and mirrors. Not as good as the Japanese games at the
       | time but still fun.
        
       | joe__f wrote:
       | [1] is an excellent and fascinating documentary on the history of
       | Tetris, how it came about and the different business struggles in
       | the West to license the game, which was challenging given that it
       | originated in the USSR
       | 
       | [1] https://youtu.be/_fQtxKmgJC8
        
       | asveikau wrote:
       | This website gives strong Russian propaganda vibes. Apparently it
       | is owned by the Russian state.
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Beyond
       | 
       | Given all that's going on, I found it jarring that it uses the
       | Russian spellings of Kharkiv and Kyiv. I did find the content a
       | little interesting. The other articles on that site seem rather
       | strange, like they exist purely to give westerners more favorable
       | views of the Russian state.
        
         | Waterluvian wrote:
         | Written years ago when, let's admit it, most of us were still
         | writing "Kiev" because we didn't know better and were, of
         | course, ignorant.
        
           | asveikau wrote:
           | I didn't realize the article was from 2020.
           | 
           | Anyway, it is true this website is state owned and the other
           | articles have heavy propaganda vibes.
        
             | Jensson wrote:
             | But is there anything wrong with the linked article?
        
               | shmerl wrote:
               | The article looks neutral (besides for spelling of city
               | names using Russian notation).
        
               | rosnd wrote:
               | Which, to be fair, is something that much of the
               | Ukrainian population still does. It's mostly foreigners
               | that see this as something important.
        
               | asveikau wrote:
               | A lot of Ukrainians I know seem to be speaking much more
               | Ukrainian than they did a few years ago. People from
               | Russian speaking towns.
               | 
               | There does seem to be a serious de-russification vibe,
               | stronger than ever and definitely not just something
               | foreigners are interested in.
               | 
               | I'll give just one small example that I'm reminded of...
               | There's been a lot of drama about signs when you enter a
               | town. Russians will capture a town, paint the sign with
               | their flag, change spellings to replace i with i, etc.
               | Ukrainians will recapture, repaint, and switch to their
               | spelling... It's a thing.
        
       | danielodievich wrote:
       | Tetris creator Aleksey and few of his company were bought out and
       | borught to Seattle in early oughts by Microsoft and they made a
       | bunch of games for MSN Zone. There was one called Hexic that I
       | remember him posting into a Russian email alias with an offer to
       | take whoever got 5 black pearls first to dinner with him, which I
       | think took out od a good portion of Russians on that channel of
       | of cieculation for a day or two (I got up to 3 of those pearls
       | but could not make it past that).
       | 
       | I had dinner with him at his house later via connections through
       | my incredibly sociable and connected mother, he was a delight,
       | very, very clever, and had lots of physical puzzles that he
       | invented and made himself. I am glad he made money off it
       | eventually.
        
         | kemitchell wrote:
         | Thank you for sharing this story!
        
       | awiesenhofer wrote:
       | That Welltris screenshot reminds me of another, though younger,
       | great 3D game from an ex-ussr country I played around the early
       | 2000 iirc. It was a 3D version of snake, playing on a cube's
       | surface, looked like something out of the demoscene and had an
       | awesome selfcomposed soundtrack. I think the developer was from
       | Ukraine or Belarus, not sure anymore. Never found it again
       | unfortunately ...
        
       | Dig1t wrote:
       | Compare what happened to the creators of these games with the
       | creators of popular titles in the USA and Japan.
       | 
       | Tetris is an especially interesting one; Tetris was a worldwide
       | phenomenon, a huge hit in the US that sold a huge number of
       | copies. The creators of Tetris saw none of the profits from their
       | creation. Their game was seized by the state as soon as it became
       | popular and they never really profited. Compare to similar
       | Western or Japanese game developers who became rich and famous,
       | started world-renowned companies, and generally had amazing
       | careers that created an industry.
       | 
       | Good example of why communism sucks, in my opinion.
        
         | Adraghast wrote:
         | What is your opinion on FOSS?
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | Has FOSS produced a popular game that isn't a copy of an
           | existing one?
        
             | bombcar wrote:
             | Thought of one - Nethack and friends.
        
         | sdkgames wrote:
         | >The creators of Tetris saw none of the profits from their
         | creation. Their game was seized by the state as soon as it
         | became popular and they never really profited.
         | 
         | Wiki tells a different story
        
         | mafuyu wrote:
         | The creator, Alexey Pajitnov, was eventually able to see some
         | money from his creation after emigrating to the US and
         | cofounding The Tetris Company. The Gaming Historian channel has
         | a great documentary video on it here:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQtxKmgJC8
        
           | asveikau wrote:
           | Kind of a tangent, but it'd weird to me that this man chooses
           | to transcribe zh as j in his surname. Typically zh would be
           | zh, and I think of j as a palatal consonant.
           | 
           | I had to look up the Cyrillic spelling of his name to be sure
           | I wasn't misunderstanding.
           | 
           | I guess some English speakers would be more comfortable with
           | J for that sound.
        
       | romanhn wrote:
       | Not exactly USSR, but I was a big fan of the very popular 1993
       | game based on the Russian "Wheel of Fortune" knock off show. The
       | game participants were characters from classic Soviet cartoons.
       | https://youtu.be/RlnsWw-YHlY
       | 
       | EDIT: Just read an interview with the author. Looks like he built
       | the game in just one week. His email and personal phone number
       | were included in the title screen, so he often got phone calls,
       | including from mafia demanding he send them the prizes they won
       | (hilarious things like "shoelaces from Procter & Gamble" and
       | toilet seats). Even though the game was not officially sponsored,
       | the actual show had two rooms filled with letters with similar
       | demands.
        
       | Waterluvian wrote:
       | Because of the war against Ukraine, I've become more aware of
       | Ukraine's role in the USSR when reading up on history. One thing
       | I've noticed is just how much of the most impressive
       | technological feats came from Ukraine.
        
         | lvl102 wrote:
         | Yeah I learned that the Russians constantly harassed Ukraine
         | for hundreds of years.
        
         | qsort wrote:
         | The association "USSR = Russians" is part of the systematic
         | attempt by the soviet regime at cultural (and sometimes
         | literal) genocide. The 90th anniversary of the Holodomor was
         | just two weeks ago.
        
           | xkcd1963 wrote:
           | I've to step in here, because also native Russians starved
           | during the Holodomor. My grandmother saw half-starved people
           | and corpses as a child in the city
        
         | anotherstalker wrote:
         | Care to highlight interesting examples and industries for us
         | unlearned?
        
           | qaq wrote:
           | Most high end Soviet Nuclear weapons were designed by KB
           | Yuzhnoye and built by Yuzhmash in Dnepr(Dnepropetrovsk).
        
             | shmerl wrote:
             | As well as rocket engines like RD-8.
        
           | p_l wrote:
           | A lot of rocket/spaceship control systems and related
           | components were designed and produced in Electrophibor in
           | Kharkiv, East Ukraine.
           | 
           | Yangel OKB, designers of the frankly speaking ridiculously
           | overpowered R-36 ICBM series was in Ukraine (including work
           | for turning R-36 into Tsyklon and Dnepr satellite launchers),
           | as well as teams responsible for Zenit carrier rocket (also
           | used as boosters on Energia).
           | 
           | There was also other R&D and manufacturing works scattered
           | across Ukraine, but outside of those and already mentioned
           | Antonov they were mostly related to areas that weren't my
           | hobby so I can't recite them from memory. Lots of heavy
           | industry related to tanks and related vehicles near Kharkiv,
           | at least.
           | 
           | EDIT: Also, post USSR breakup Ukraine ended up having to run
           | a nuclear "weapons" program despite disavowing nuclear
           | weapons - because they had full chain nuclear weapons
           | industry from raw materials to final warhead assembly, and it
           | was considered good idea to keep those people employed lest
           | they be hired out by more militant places.
        
           | nosianu wrote:
           | I just wanted to ask Google to find a more comprehensive
           | list, but I was reminded of a serious search issue that I
           | would like to see addressed at some point:
           | 
           | Especially whenever there is a current event with lots of
           | news it is nearly impossible to find anything that is too
           | close to the subject.
           | 
           | It would be great to be able to restrict search to _older_
           | results, to avoid being in the shadow of more recent
           | articles. Even adding  "USSR" did not help at all, almost
           | everything I got was related to recent events.
           | 
           | I've had this problem sooo many times in the past already.
           | Google is way too focused on the latest information. Just
           | yesterday somebody also pointed this out in a comment, about
           | that website link that made it to the HN homepage that help
           | find the right glue for two different materials, which was an
           | example for an old rarely changing but still relevant
           | website.
           | 
           | Anyway, on topic, here's a list that I found starting out
           | from trying to widen the search from the starting point that
           | I knew Antonov is Ukrainian:
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_design_bureaus_in_Ukra.
           | ..
           | 
           | https://www.value.today/headquarters/ukraine
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Ukraine
           | 
           | "Donbas: What's Ukraine Losing--Industrial Hub, Breadbasket
           | or Both?" -- https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/donbas-whats-
           | ukraine-losi...
           | 
           | Here is a video showing a pretty cool - albeit pretty
           | unreliable, according to what I read - 1960s motorbike that
           | was made in Ukraine: https://youtu.be/DvxcK645HF0 --
           | Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepr_(motorcycle).
           | Dnepr (Ukrainian: Dnipro) is a motorcycle brand produced in
           | Kyiv. I became interested in this bike while reading this RR
           | story from a Ukrainian author - with lots of brilliant
           | author-made painting-illustratiuons:
           | https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54085/the-armorer-and-
           | the-...
        
       ___________________________________________________________________
       (page generated 2022-12-11 23:00 UTC)