[HN Gopher] Request for Startups: Climate Tech
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       Request for Startups: Climate Tech
        
       Author : jeremylevy
       Score  : 164 points
       Date   : 2022-12-15 17:07 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | carapace wrote:
       | Probably the biggest environmental win would be to make
       | arcologies: ecologically integrated cities.
       | 
       | > Arcology, a portmanteau of "architecture" and "ecology",[2] is
       | a field of creating architectural design principles for very
       | densely populated and ecologically low-impact human habitats.
       | 
       | > The term was coined in 1969 by architect Paolo Soleri, who
       | believed that a completed arcology would provide space for a
       | variety of residential, commercial, and agricultural facilities
       | while minimizing individual human environmental impact. These
       | structures have been largely hypothetical, as no arcology, even
       | one envisioned by Soleri himself, has yet been built.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology
       | 
       | You would include the "Living Machines" designed-ecosystem
       | technology of John Todd, et. al. to process waste and produce
       | food and (some) medicines on site.
       | 
       | https://www.toddecological.com/
       | 
       | I dunno if you could make a startup out of it though.
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | Funny that after so many years of funding and encouraging crypto
       | mining the VC industry now decides to go "green".
        
         | ebiester wrote:
         | With 800 billion dollars of funding from the government, there
         | are going to be a lot of opportunities to follow the cash.
        
           | kokanee wrote:
           | Yeah, this is not VC "going green" for ethical reasons, this
           | is VC investing in the next tech wave, which luckily is
           | climate tech.
        
         | NationalPark wrote:
         | Those generative AI companies aren't exactly lean on energy
         | usage either. It's about capturing the IRA money, which to
         | their credit they are very up front about. Maybe something good
         | will come out of it, after all, that's the point of the
         | government spending! If they save the world purely out of self
         | interest then we still get the saved world...
        
           | paxys wrote:
           | And what about when they take the government money and start
           | doing innovative work, then once the funding dries up they
           | realize that bitcoin mining is more profitable after all and
           | promptly switch back to that. That's the problem with putting
           | public good in the hands of private entities who have their
           | next quarterly report to worry about and not much else.
        
       | atlasunshrugged wrote:
       | Curious, anyone working on automation in the mining space? I'm
       | interested in jamming out with people about doing work in the
       | industry. Or using airships in places like africa to transport
       | minerals from mines to regional hubs (e.g. to avoid the huge
       | delays on roadways currently happening between DRC and Zambia).
        
       | manv1 wrote:
       | Really, the big win is going to be "efficient air conditioning
       | for poor countries" and "using materials other than concrete to
       | build."
       | 
       | Everyone loves AC. The more money you have the more you use it.
       | 
       | And everyone in poor countries uses concrete to build.
       | 
       | The bad thing is that these two things combine: the concrete box
       | that is your building heats up like a brick oven, making AC work
       | more. Doh!
        
         | bryanlarsen wrote:
         | Air conditioners are already pretty efficient, so you're not
         | going to get huge wins there.
         | 
         | But solar-powered air conditioning could be a huge win. You can
         | avoid the DC-AC-DC conversion losses, and avoid any impact on
         | the grid. Most people without air conditioning would be quite
         | happy with air conditioning that only works while the sun is
         | shining.
        
         | nawitus wrote:
         | You can add a bit of insulation inside the concrete to make the
         | house require less cooling than (any?) wooden house.
        
       | phillipcarter wrote:
       | It's a little disappointing not to see investments in
       | regenerative agriculture. Granted, most of the work here isn't in
       | software but in actually...farming...but still, the more energy
       | put in that space, the more we'll see it be used as a standard
       | for how we get our food.
        
         | tator22 wrote:
         | There are lots of things involved in the regen ag sector they
         | should be looking at.
        
       | gumby wrote:
       | We plan to remove 4 Gt of atmospheric methane but the YC terms
       | are too high for us. We're just funding it the old fashioned way.
        
         | cjcenizal wrote:
         | This sounds amazing! Could you share more info about your
         | startup?
        
           | gumby wrote:
           | You can read more at www.bluedotchange.com
           | 
           | 4 Gt is roughly all the anthropogenic CH4, responsible for
           | about a third (or possibly a half) of temperature rise. After
           | that we will continue at a lower level in order to keep
           | curating the level and as a precaution against methane
           | bursts.
           | 
           | 4 Gt of CH4 is considered roughly equivalent to 120 Gt of CO2
        
       | karol wrote:
       | Twitter: explaining through power of free speech why climate
       | change is a fraud.
        
       | JulianRaphael wrote:
       | Anyone wants to kick around ideas? Particularly interested in use
       | cases for technology to improve regenerative agriculture /
       | permaculture operations and water management in the global South
       | (esp. India). You can find my E-mail address in my profile.
        
       | chasd00 wrote:
       | Make liquid O2 or Methane 5% cheaper and/or 15% cleaner and you
       | can sell it to SpaceX all day long.
        
       | janalsncm wrote:
       | Here are some of my unsolicited and harebrained climate startup
       | ideas. I'm poor and I can't afford to pursue any of these but I
       | believe a carbon-neutral future will require these things:
       | 
       | * Cheap EV chargers for people who don't own houses. Young people
       | are the most likely to be open to EVs, but they're also the least
       | likely to own a house. Charging is a major barrier to entry.
       | Create something so cheap and ubiquitous that charging is not a
       | concern. For example chargers built into lamp posts.
       | 
       | * Figure out UHVDC to enable clean energy surpluses to be sold
       | internationally. Reliable UHVDC networks will allow clean energy
       | projects to service more geographic area, making them more
       | competitive. Eventually, storage might not even be necessary,
       | since dark/non-windy regions can always pull from regions with
       | wind or sun. And when fusion power comes online in a few decades,
       | huge energy surpluses will be very profitable.
       | 
       | * Passive carbon capture via nuclear barges. We've had nuclear
       | reactors in the water for decades, let's put them to use
       | capturing carbon.
       | 
       | * Floatovoltaics. Land isn't always cheap. Put solar panels in
       | other places. There are other positive side effects as well, such
       | as reducing algae blooms and reducing evaporation.
        
         | tdaltonc wrote:
         | For passive carbon capture, I don't understand what you're
         | proposing. Let's pretend: Joe Biden gives you a nuclear
         | aircraft carrier and a team of nuclear engineers. Now what?
        
       | quelsolaar wrote:
       | Lately i've been thinking that right now may be a great time to
       | start an oil company. Cost of solar is going down so capturing
       | c02 and turning it into fuel is looking like a viable option.
       | People would pay a premiun for carbon neutral fuel. Most climate
       | companies, focused on carbon capture, tried to make the most
       | efficient carbon capture possible, but what if one focused on
       | scalability and reducing manufacturing costs instead? A device
       | that loses 90%+ of the energy when converting sun to fuel, would
       | be viable if the cost of the machine would just be low enough,
       | and scaled up enough. Such a device would in theory have a near 0
       | cost of operation once installed, so with a long enough life span
       | it would be profitable.
        
         | tdaltonc wrote:
         | Electro-fuels currently cost about $15 per gallon - In case
         | anyone else was curious.
         | 
         | https://theicct.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/fuels-us-euro...
        
           | quelsolaar wrote:
           | Thanks for the link! $15 is a reasonable price where a
           | company hyper focused on lowering the cost of manufacturing
           | of C02 extraction machines, could become very competative
           | withing a reasonable timeframe.
        
             | tdaltonc wrote:
             | It kind of floored me when I first heard it. Tripling the
             | cost of jet fuel would be bad, but not that bad. And that
             | number is likely to fall.
        
         | kokanee wrote:
         | https://www.twelve.co is doing this (with fuels as well as
         | other carbon-derived chemicals). Trouble is, this is carbon
         | recycling, not carbon sequestering. It's better than the status
         | quo, but I'm more excited about ideas that either sequester
         | GHGs permanently or replace industrial GHG-generating processes
         | permanently.
        
           | bryanlarsen wrote:
           | There's no fundamental difference between burning a synthetic
           | fuel or burning a fossel fuel and sequestering the resulting
           | carbon. Both are zero-carbon.
           | 
           | Yes, sequestration can go negative-carbon, but that doesn't
           | help anybody who has a difficult to replace fuel burning
           | process.
        
           | pcl wrote:
           | Storing liquids (or solids) from at STP is far simpler than
           | storing it in gaseous form. If we can cheaply extract CO2 or
           | methane from the atmosphere and make liquid from it, we could
           | sequester it in all sorts of trivial ways.
        
             | kokanee wrote:
             | Sure, but that's not what Twelve is doing or what the "I
             | should start an oil company" comment suggested. They're
             | talking about extracting CO2 to make fuel, and then burning
             | it again in the same petroleum-based economy.
        
           | psadri wrote:
           | The first step is to reduce emissions, then stop them all
           | together and finally sequester them to return to pre-climate-
           | change level. I'd welcome all solutions along that spectrum.
        
         | aliqot wrote:
         | I think you're on to something, it makes me curious what the
         | energy expenditure of one of these operations is in a
         | conventional deployment, then what it would be over time with
         | solar being the producer of energy.
        
         | c54 wrote:
         | This is the play that Terraform Industries is engaging in as
         | well. Cost for synthesizing a unit of methane from atmospheric
         | CO2 and water using solar power is set to drop lower than the
         | cost of drilling it out of the ground.
         | 
         | https://terraformindustries.com/
        
           | bryanlarsen wrote:
           | > lower than the cost of drilling it out of the ground.
           | 
           | Shipping is a huge component of the price of natural gas. So
           | it'll be a long time before they're cheaper than the price of
           | natural gas in Alberta or Siberia, but they'll be able to
           | beat the price in Los Angeles a lot sooner.
        
           | bryanlarsen wrote:
           | According to their December newsletter, they project that
           | point will occur in 2027 without subsidies and 2024 with the
           | subsidies provided by the Inflation Reduction Act.
        
       | DoreenMichele wrote:
       | Some thoughts:
       | 
       | 1. We know for a fact that mangroves can mitigate tsunami damage.
       | I've been looking into this and a lot of tree-planting programs
       | really suck and are basically failures. Additionally mangroves
       | are _tropical_ plants and -- so far -- I am failing to find an
       | alternative for colder climates.
       | 
       | https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051028141252.h...
       | 
       | 2. We certainly need energy solutions and I'm happy to see people
       | work on that, but we could use more companies working on _passive
       | solar_ solutions as well. Most passive solar solutions are best
       | implemented from the get go (from breaking ground on a new
       | building), but some can be added after the fact. There is likely
       | lots of low-hanging fruit in that second category.
       | 
       | 3. Middle-eastern countries and their architectural traditions
       | have many practices that help mitigate heat levels inside
       | buildings and even at street level. These seem to be largely
       | unknown outside such countries and we are missing a huge
       | opportunity to export or adapt such traditions to other places to
       | try to adapt to hotter temps.
        
         | _whiteCaps_ wrote:
         | Kelp is an alternative for the north. Unfortunately it's been
         | disappearing because of warming oceans.
         | 
         | https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/...
        
       | carabiner wrote:
       | I'm looking for work in this space. 4 years of experience as a DS
       | at a 1m customer electric utility, extensive experience with
       | meter usage data, ML, data pipelines. Traditional background as
       | mechanical engineer so I know physics and stuff.
        
       | someweirdperson wrote:
       | > Problems & Ideas: > Home pre-wiring
       | 
       | Ductwork for cables?
       | 
       | The problem unsolved in practice is post-wiring. A neat device
       | would be a robotic remote controlled drill that can work itself
       | through brick walls vertically from floor to floor (including
       | steel-reinforced concrete ceilings) and in curves if needed.
       | 
       | Hugely expensive toy, but creating no dirt, compared to classic
       | methods of adding more wires.
        
       | tdaltonc wrote:
       | > Tarpit Ideas
       | 
       | > Carbon removal credits on the blockchain. Using blockchain
       | technology to solve the double-counting of carbon credits is an
       | attractive idea but in our experience it's just a technology
       | choice and a small piece of the product you ultimately have to
       | build.
       | 
       | I can't believe how often I hear this reasoning from people:
       | Carbon credits have a double-counting problem? Blockchains
       | prevent "double-spend"! Perfect solution! But as the quote points
       | out, double-counting of carbon credits is not a software problem.
       | 
       | At Jasmine, we're tokenizing climate assets but not to prevent
       | "double-spend." https://medium.com/jasmine-energy/why-is-jasmine-
       | building-on...
        
       | HockeyPlayer wrote:
       | > In the not-too-distant future, vehicles will charge when excess
       | solar is available
       | 
       | Emporia Energy's smart EV charger can already do this. So can our
       | $9 smart plug. Disclosure: I work there.
        
         | drusenko wrote:
         | Big fan of your products :) Have bought a dozen of them
         | personally.
         | 
         | From what I understand, excess solar is more common in markets
         | that have asymmetric import/export prices, like Australia, that
         | strongly incentivize self-consumption vs. exporting back to the
         | grid. CA is likely to implement this with NEM 3.0 so we are
         | likely to start seeing this shift in behavior in the US soon as
         | well. Right now there isn't much of an economic incentive to do
         | excess solar in markets with symmetric NEM compensation (I'm
         | sure you know all of this).
         | 
         | Other problem we have in the US vs. AU is our cost of
         | installation is so high that it makes oversizing systems
         | somewhat cost prohibitive, which is what you'd need to do to
         | get enough excess solar to charge an EV.
         | 
         | Third problem is where cars are parked during the day while the
         | sun is shining, which may be tough for people who commute to
         | work. Energy storage can obviously help here somewhat.
        
       | AdamH12113 wrote:
       | Are high-margin luxury products really going to decarbonize the
       | world? It seems pretty rare for companies that start on that path
       | to move downmarket, but isn't that what we need to fight climate
       | change?
        
       | pclmulqdq wrote:
       | I'm going to throw this out there: most of the promising
       | companies in this space are likely going to get their seed
       | funding from federal grants rather than incubators like YC. You
       | may not be seeing deal flow because your product is unattractive
       | to them in comparison.
        
       | bombcar wrote:
       | > Tesla for home appliances: re-inventing home appliances (water
       | heaters, induction stoves, clothes dryers, etc) to create better
       | consumer experiences using specific advantages of electric
       | technology.
       | 
       | I mean heat pump water heaters already exist [346] and they're
       | reasonable in most everywhere (they put extra load on the furnace
       | in cold climates in the winter but can still be a win overall).
       | The main advance here might be more "smart integration" with the
       | grid, but that is going to have to be a national level thing.
       | 
       | [346] https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/heat-pump-water-heaters
        
         | nawitus wrote:
         | You just need a spot market for electricity and then you can
         | program the water heater to follow the spot price (or rather
         | avoid heating when it's expensive).
         | 
         | This is available already in a few heat pump water heaters in
         | Finland.
        
         | ibejoeb wrote:
         | >water heaters
         | 
         | Are we being serious? I have an electric water heater. I have
         | an induction cooktop, which is electric by necessity. I have an
         | electric clothes dryer. (Is there even a consumer-grade gas-
         | fired clothes dryer on the market?) The consumer experience is
         | fine. I turn on the hot water tap and hot water comes out. What
         | am I missing?
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | The only thing I can think of is a water heater that knows
           | when power is cheap and preheats water hotter than it needs
           | to be so it's available when you need it without using power
           | ... I guess?
        
             | nawitus wrote:
             | This is becoming quite common in Finland (thanks to
             | insanely high spot prices of electricity). Shelly is
             | usually used to do the automation. Note that the water is
             | not heated "hotter than necessary" but rather water is
             | heated up to the max amount when the price is cheap.
             | 
             | Traditionally water heaters were only on at night.
        
               | bombcar wrote:
               | Yeah the "max amount" can vary - I have mine set higher
               | than "you should" to prevent Legionnaires' disease and
               | then have a mixer that reduces the temperature back to
               | safe for the house.
               | 
               | https://www.amazon.com/Cash-Acme-Thermostatic-
               | Temperature-Ap...
               | 
               | That's a very low tech solution that could take some
               | advantage, and thermal mass of water is pretty high,
               | especially if the tank is well insulated.
        
           | ZeroGravitas wrote:
           | One existing water heater innovation:
           | 
           | https://www.mixergy.co.uk/products/mixergy-tank/
           | 
           | Has both stupid innovation (Alexa integration) and sensible
           | (working with the grid to balance demand, innovative design
           | that saves energy and heats up faster when you need it
           | quickly)
        
           | malfist wrote:
           | You mean you don't want to download an app to your phone that
           | steals your data so you can....adjust the temperature setting
           | of your hot water heater?
        
             | bombcar wrote:
             | If you're heating hot water you already have a problem ;)
             | (I know, I know).
        
       | browningstreet wrote:
       | All this is relatively pointless (save "potentially profitable")
       | without removing fossil fuels from general usage.
        
         | dqpb wrote:
         | The best way to remove fossils fuels from general usage is to
         | make electric options cheaper/better that fuel options.
        
       | notlukesky wrote:
       | The only thing that would move the needle on a massive societal
       | level is reliable nuclear energy in every city and country. But
       | is that too hard for startups to tackle? Or it doesn't fit the
       | narrative? Every other climate "tech" just nibbles at the margins
       | if that even. And the byproduct of mass nuclear energy adoption
       | would be that the issue is solved and there would be no more
       | climate mongering amongst the conference crowd. They would have
       | to find another "the sky is falling down" cause. That would also
       | lead to less justifications for war from the war crowd if all the
       | world had true energy security. Maybe that's why?
       | 
       | Reminds me of this previous initiative:
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Independence
        
         | SoftTalker wrote:
         | > They would have to find another "the sky is falling down"
         | cause.
         | 
         | You've nailed it. The people in power don't want to fix these
         | problems. They'd like them to get worse, actually. "Never let a
         | crisis go to waste" has the corollary "if a crisis doesn't
         | exist, create one."
        
         | r_hoods_ghost wrote:
         | Why do people keep spouting this nonsense? Yes there is a place
         | for nuclear in the mix, but renewables have already moved the
         | dial in a lot if countries. I the uk about 40% of our energy is
         | from renewables, mostly wind at 25% and biomass for much of the
         | rest. Or does that not fit your narrative? Or do you not
         | consider that moving the needle? It's a damn sight easier,
         | quicker and cheaper to put up wind turbines and solar panels
         | than it is to build new nuclear reactors as well
        
           | avalys wrote:
           | Nuclear reactors are expensive because we don't build any of
           | them.
           | 
           | Solar and wind occupy way more land for the same power
           | production and can't produce baseload power without battery
           | storage systems that cost 5x as much.
        
             | pclmulqdq wrote:
             | Bingo. Solar panels were outrageously expensive 15 years
             | ago, but that didn't stop us from investing in them as a
             | technology.
        
             | drusenko wrote:
             | Nuclear reactors are expensive mostly because the
             | regulatory requirements make them expensive. There is a lot
             | of room for advanced nuclear (e.g. gen III reactors) that
             | can address a lot of the problems and bring down the costs.
             | Unfortunately, we don't have a clear regulatory pathway
             | here yet, but there is some progress being made recently.
        
           | mattwest wrote:
           | This isn't true and you are also probably confusing energy
           | and electricity
           | 
           | Edit: wow, since I'm receiving instant downvotes, here's the
           | evidence.
           | 
           | https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/.
           | ..
        
           | r3trohack3r wrote:
           | Sharing this not to say it's true, but it's my understanding
           | of the EU's biomass numbers.
           | 
           | As I understand it, a substantial portion of the biomass is
           | wood pellets. These are harvested from the American south
           | causing deforestation, are transported over the ocean with
           | non-negligible emissions, and then burned in non-clean stacks
           | releasing carbon, but they are accounted for as green. So you
           | get a dirty burn, dirty transportation, and deforest a region
           | as part of these numbers.
           | 
           | A quick search turned up this article:
           | https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/07/us/american-south-
           | bi...
           | 
           | Its hard for me to accept that this narrative is correct, but
           | I've struggled to find anything that explains how EU's
           | biomass is net good for the environment. Do you have any
           | insight?
        
           | notlukesky wrote:
           | The core issue is that they are unreliable when there is no
           | wind or sunlight. Storage at scale is still not affordable or
           | available for the whole world. The recent electricity issues
           | that western Europe faced are indicative of the failings of
           | unSustainable energy.
        
             | lolinder wrote:
             | "Renewables need to be supplemented" is a very different
             | claim from "the _only thing_ that would move the needle ...
             | is reliable nuclear energy " (emphasis added).
             | 
             | Nuclear energy can't solve the problem on its own _either_
             | , because you still need plants to deal with rapid changes
             | in demand. We shouldn't be working towards a silver bullet,
             | we should be using a lot of different technologies together
             | to solve the problem.
        
               | nawitus wrote:
               | You just need nuclear and existing hydropower, which
               | boils down to you just need nuclear. It's not politically
               | probable or realistic though, but we really just need
               | nuclear technically speaking.
               | 
               | Nuclear can also follow loads, but there's no economical
               | need to build them to do that (in almost any market).
        
             | r_hoods_ghost wrote:
             | The recent electricity issues are because Putin invaded
             | Ukraine and reduced the gas supply. Which is nothing to do
             | with sustainable energy.
        
               | yongjik wrote:
               | "We said we were running on renewables, but we were also
               | dependent on burning Russian gas, and we plan to keep
               | burning gas for the foreseeable future, sans the buying-
               | gas-from-Russia part" sounds like a pretty important
               | detail to talk about sustainable energy, IMHO.
        
           | HideousKojima wrote:
           | The problem is that a lot of the claims of "Renewables
           | providing X percent of energy in country Y" are massaging the
           | numbers. See the countless examples from Germany over the
           | last decade (I'm including one of the most shared examples of
           | this at the bottom of my post), suddenly shown to be highly
           | deceptive by what has happened over the last year with
           | Russian gas imports to Germany.
           | 
           | https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/renewables-cover-
           | about-...
        
         | gustaf wrote:
         | We are big believers in Nuclear energy, and it's part of the
         | RFS.
         | 
         | But many other sectors need to be electrified for nuclear power
         | to have its decarbonization impact: buildings, industry,
         | transportation etc.
        
       | peoplefromibiza wrote:
       | a few ideas, in no particular order
       | 
       | - stop burning fossil fuels to the altar of the crypto crazy
       | 
       | - stop burning enormous amounts of fossil fuel to produce AI
       | models that poorly replicate human skills, without asking if
       | someone wanted it
       | 
       | - support power efficient devices or appliances. I despise Apple,
       | for a lot of reasons, but the M series is a big step in the right
       | direction.
       | 
       | - don't buy Teslas, buy small cars that occupy a small parking
       | space, if you live in a city. Better yet, don't buy a car, car
       | companies will die eventually, better sooner than later, so we
       | can make them a thing of the past like we did with horsecars. All
       | of us would feel dumb riding or buying one of those nowadays,
       | right?
       | 
       | - support companies that actually do what they say, "90% recycled
       | material" or "90% carbon neutral" is a brand, it's green washing,
       | it's almost never true for large corporations. It will take the
       | aforementioned Apple at least another 20 years to become really
       | green, as in CO2 neutral and as of their actions had no terrible
       | consequences on real people, in the real World.
       | 
       | - The only ADV I was able to endure in the past 20 years was "buy
       | better, wear for longer" by Levis. Which is actually a very good
       | thing to do for the environment and for ourselves as humans. Fast
       | fashion is stupid.
        
       | jandrewrogers wrote:
       | I've worked in "climate intelligence" for many years. The list
       | overlooks one of the largest and most immediate opportunities
       | around that market: the data infrastructure and analysis tools we
       | have today are _profoundly_ unfit for purpose. Just about
       | everyone is essentially using cartography tools to do large-scale
       | spatiotemporal analysis of sensor and telemetry data. The gaps
       | for both features and practical scalability are massive.
       | 
       | It has made most of the climate intelligence analysis we'd like
       | to do, and for which data is available, intractable. And what we
       | can do is so computationally inefficient that we figuratively
       | burn down a small forest every time we run an analysis on a non-
       | trivial model, which isn't very green either.
       | 
       | (This is definitely something I'd work on if I had the bandwidth,
       | it is a pretty pure deep tech software problem.)
        
         | tdaltonc wrote:
         | Companies with good climate intelligence tech tend to evolve in
         | to marketplaces because that gets them closer to the money.
         | Climate projects can't afford SaaS, but offset buyers are
         | willing to pay a premium for offsets re-verified by high-tech
         | climate intelligence SaaS.
         | 
         | Example: Pachama https://pachama.com/
        
         | worldsayshi wrote:
         | What potential customers are there for climate intelligence
         | systems?
        
         | bmitc wrote:
         | I would also love any references to existing companies,
         | research groups, or the problems in this space if you have the
         | time to share. I found the posted list underwhelming and more
         | of a marketing shotgun approach to try and take advantage of
         | the push for "climate tech" but not solve any real problems.
        
           | tony_cannistra wrote:
           | Not OP, but in my experience:
           | 
           | Jupiter Intelligence (https://jupiterintel.com/)
           | 
           | Descartes Labs (https://descarteslabs.com/)
           | 
           | Microsoft Planetary Computer
           | (https://planetarycomputer.microsoft.com/)
           | 
           | Coiled (managed Dask - python HPC) (https://www.coiled.io/)
           | 
           | CarbonPlan (https://carbonplan.org/)
           | 
           | Salo Sciences (acquired by Planet, satellite imagery company)
           | (https://salo.ai/)
           | 
           | lots of others
        
             | bmitc wrote:
             | Thank you!
        
         | PakG1 wrote:
         | > Just about everyone is essentially using cartography tools to
         | do large-scale spatiotemporal analysis of sensor and telemetry
         | data. The gaps for both features and practical scalability are
         | massive.
         | 
         | Could you point to any readings or resources that would explain
         | these gaps? I'd be quite curious why our current spatiotemporal
         | analysis techniques would be insufficient. Is it the analysis
         | tools that just need new techniques or is the problem at the
         | source (i.e. the sensors)? Or?
        
         | emmelaich wrote:
         | We need sensors for carbon presence over distance and time in
         | the ocean. At huge scale, to test the viability of various
         | carbon sequestration schemes. That's pretty expensive, with a
         | large non-software component.
         | 
         | I know this from a peripheral involvement in one the XPRIZE
         | projects.
        
         | 2devnull wrote:
         | I guess it would help to be more specific about how this
         | differs from some of the measurement related startups they
         | list. Taxonomies are difficult, so maybe they do need an
         | entirely separate category, or enlarge the one related to
         | measurement.
        
         | tony_cannistra wrote:
         | This is an excellent point. I think the problem is that because
         | it's such a pure software problem it doesn't have an immediate
         | "climate tech" alignment, so it stands to "dilute" these kinds
         | of calls for funding.
        
         | dheera wrote:
         | Would you mind elaborating on say a few specific asks for tools
         | climate people would want to have, that are low-hanging fruit
         | that people might be able to write in their spare time?
         | 
         | I'm very interested in doing something for climate change but
         | I'd like to know what people want.
        
         | babelfish wrote:
         | Where could I read more about this problem and how it's being
         | tackled today?
        
           | tony_cannistra wrote:
           | I hesitate to link to Twitter here, but Joe Morrison has his
           | finger on the pulse of this and offers a tongue-in-cheek
           | perspective that I appreciate:
           | https://twitter.com/mouthofmorrison
        
             | 2devnull wrote:
             | Thanks for posting. His substack piece on the 3 m's is very
             | appropriate.
        
         | a_square_peg wrote:
         | Out of curiosity, is accessing & working with large datasets a
         | problem in your areas of work? I run a weather/climate site
         | that makes some of this less painful, taking datasets such as
         | GFS or ERA5/ERA5-Land much faster to access. We have some
         | enterprise clients who really value the time-saving aspect of
         | this but I also feel like everyone has their own data-
         | processing set up and problems are different for everyone.
        
           | baremetal wrote:
           | Any chance you guys provide a free api for the little guy? I
           | would love to have access to climate data via a json rest
           | api. Specifically historical temperature and precipitation
           | data at minimum.
           | 
           | I poked around a while back and wasn't able to find much of
           | anything on the web. Maybe I missed it?
        
             | a_square_peg wrote:
             | Certainly - take a look (https://oikolab.com) and let me
             | know your use case. There is a free tier but we've also
             | given free access to a quite a few number of researchers,
             | non-profits and university students for their projects when
             | they reached out to us.
        
           | jandrewrogers wrote:
           | There are a couple issues I see with basic access and working
           | with large datasets. Ease of access for typical users is also
           | a valid issue.
           | 
           | First, we still mostly move the data to the computation when
           | we should be moving the computation to the data. Moving the
           | data works fine when data is small but if the data volumes
           | are large (as sensor/geo data tends to be) then it can take
           | an incredibly long time to move the data. In many cases, more
           | time is spent shoveling data over the network than actually
           | doing the computation. This has become worse as storage
           | density has increased, hundreds of TB/server is ordinary.
           | 
           | Second, the data is rarely organized in a way that makes it
           | efficient to extract arbitrary subsets. There is still a lot
           | of what is essentially "grep at scale" going on. Again, not a
           | problem if the data is small but if I need a specific 50TB
           | subset of a 10PB source, this becomes prohibitively slow. The
           | data needs to be organized such that we can slice and dice it
           | with high selectivity _in place_ , much more like a proper
           | database and less of a distributed filesystem. Because
           | spatiotemporal analysis tends to involve iterative join-like
           | operations, you want this to be efficient as possible.
           | 
           | The other big problem is many of these data sources are too
           | large for everyone to have their own copy. Or if they did
           | have their own copy, it would be extraordinarily wasteful.
           | This is adjacent to the first issue. EDIT: And herein is the
           | likely business model.
        
             | counters wrote:
             | Want to make sure you're familiar with the Pangeo
             | community: www.pangeo.io
             | 
             | I don't think any of these challenges are "solved", but
             | there's a groundswell of technology that is well-situated
             | to make a big impact in these domains. The largest barriers
             | that still remain are the ownership of engineering
             | processes/workflow to transform larger gridded datasets to
             | ARCO (analysis-ready, cloud-optimized) formats, as well as
             | tooling to mediate between heterogeneous datasets (e.g.
             | combining regular vs irregular or arbitrarily gridded data,
             | such as land surveys or ZIP codes).
             | 
             | There are definitely players in the space working on these,
             | but much is left to be done here.
        
               | a_square_peg wrote:
               | +1 for Pangeo. We use these toolsets heavily (Xarray,
               | Zarr, Dask) to run our service, which is essentially what
               | you described as taking the larger gridded datasest to
               | ARCO format. I think this is still a bit too heavy for
               | casual Excel/GIS analysts so we try to make it as simple
               | as possible for them to get climate data in CSV or NetCDF
               | format for their work.
        
             | worldsayshi wrote:
             | This sounds really interesting. Would be really interested
             | to work around these things. Thinking and working a lot
             | with similar-ish systems. But not sure how to enter the
             | related green-tech space when living in Europe. Would love
             | to try to build a product myself but then I need a customer
             | to try ideas with.
        
       | Guthur wrote:
       | Private interests have gotten us into this mess, to think that
       | the same can get us out of it is wishful thinking of the highest
       | order.
        
       | londons_explore wrote:
       | The missing thing: international incentive structures.
       | 
       | Today, most things are done the most economical way. And that
       | might involve emitting carbon.
       | 
       | A country which regulates the emissions of carbon will end up
       | producing goods and services using carbon free methods - but
       | those methods will often be less economically efficient than the
       | carbon producing method, even at scale.
       | 
       | So any country that goes all in on the carbon-free world will end
       | up economically worse off -- it's goods won't be competitive in
       | the global marketplace. A government cannot subsidize itself to
       | competitiveness in all markets.
       | 
       | Solve that problem, and the world will decarbonize itself almost
       | overnight.
        
         | toiletfuneral wrote:
        
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         | theptip wrote:
         | YC can't solve that. I agree it's an important cause, but it's
         | really hard coordination problem. If we can make progress
         | without, just by using tech to lower emissions, that's a clear
         | win.
         | 
         | Having said that, a CO2 tax just makes the financial incentives
         | for change better; someone still needs to build the better
         | system after funds are reallocated. So if you already started a
         | cost-reduction startup, you'll have first-mover advantage when
         | the CO2 taxes come into play.
        
         | tdaltonc wrote:
         | You might be interested in the EUs new carbon border adjustment
         | tax.
         | 
         | https://www.ft.com/content/51e6bd85-dbb2-4071-b635-8ab9bd2ab...
        
           | londons_explore wrote:
           | It appears that all solutions to this problem require one of:
           | 
           | * All countries to agree on an incentive scheme (unlikely -
           | although big trading blocs like EU/China/Russia/USA might be
           | able to bully the rest of the world into it with the threat
           | of sanctions if they do not agree)
           | 
           | * Some countries to agree on a scheme, and to break WTO rules
           | to penalize (carbon tax) imports and subsidize exports
           | to/from those who do not.
           | 
           | Or... the world continues on the current trajectory of
           | decarbonizing highly visible things only (Electric cars,
           | solar panels on the roof!) to appease voters while avoiding
           | decarbonizing anything that much affects nationwide
           | competitiveness (eg. steel/fertilizer production).
        
       | Raed667 wrote:
       | Do people really believe we can innovate our way through climate
       | change?
        
         | ZeroGravitas wrote:
         | Yes, in fact I think we probably already have.
         | 
         | There's still some politicss to overcome, but if the cheapest
         | source of energy is low carbon then the problem is mostly
         | solved in the big picture. As long as we don't hit too many
         | tipping points we should be okay.
        
         | kokanee wrote:
         | Interesting position. Are you suggesting that the solution will
         | not involve innovation, or that climate change is unsolvable?
         | 
         | As an employee at a climate tech company, I think the primary
         | roadblock is simply investing resources (money and time) in the
         | various solutions available to us. A ton of innovation is
         | happening along the way (e.g. first ever net positive fusion
         | ignition yesterday) but even without much innovation, we could
         | solve the problems by directing our resources at them.
         | 
         | In other words, I think climate change is very solvable and
         | that innovation along the way is constant and inevitable. I'm
         | not saying that we will definitely make the necessary
         | investments to succeed, which I think might be your point? But
         | as this post demonstrates, the rate of investment is improving
         | significantly.
        
         | CabSauce wrote:
         | The real question is did we start too late to curb climate
         | change? We'll innovate to mitigate its damages either way.
        
         | dev_daftly wrote:
         | Do people really believe the climate was ever going to stop
         | changing?
        
         | dqpb wrote:
         | Are you suggesting there is a solution without innovation, or
         | that there is no solution at all?
        
           | carabiner wrote:
           | Public policy >> tech solutions. You might get a few people
           | to replace their water heaters if you come up with one more
           | efficient, but that's nothing compared to federally funded
           | nuclear plants.
        
             | janalsncm wrote:
             | Innovation in nuclear has made it politically viable in the
             | first place. If we still had to use 1970s nuclear tech it
             | would be a hard sell.
             | 
             | In any case, I'm always skeptical of "we can't do X without
             | doing Y" arguments because they're usually about making the
             | perfect the enemy of the good rather than X actually being
             | precluded by not having Y.
        
       | powera wrote:
       | The list feels like "this is everything you can try" rather than
       | "this is everything you should try".
       | 
       | Some of these are "let's take an unrelated industry and try to
       | cram _climate_ into its story ", others are ideas that are doomed
       | to fail. And the "if only forests existed forever they would be a
       | better carbon sink" argument is so flawed I am disappointed to
       | see it at all.
       | 
       | But, also a lot of good projects to work on in there.
        
         | kokanee wrote:
         | YC's business model is to invest in "everything you can try." I
         | don't think this intended to be a list of opportunities that YC
         | believes are 100% likely to succeed; it's intended to be a list
         | that probably includes one or more ideas that will succeed.
        
         | gustaf wrote:
         | Which ideas are doomed to fail? I would love to hear your
         | feedback
        
       | datalopers wrote:
       | I'm confused, I searched for both "crypto" and "web3" on that
       | page and there are no results?
        
         | candiddevmike wrote:
         | Hopefully YC stops investing in those companies to help the
         | environment
        
         | z3c0 wrote:
         | Then may I ask why you're shoehorning it into the conversation
         | in such an unsubstantial way? Seems more like a cheap jab than
         | a worthwhile opinion.
        
           | wintogreen74 wrote:
           | Well, if YC is positioning themselves as "helping to solve
           | the problem" I think it's completely valid to call them out
           | for previously "helping to create the problem", in a humorous
           | way.
        
           | datalopers wrote:
           | Because YC and other VC shops wouldn't shut the fuck up about
           | crypto, web3, and blockchain across 2020-2021 and that sort
           | of behavior doesn't get a free pass. Now they've moved onto
           | Generative AI.
        
         | wintogreen74 wrote:
         | YC has generated enough wealth from these and other endless
         | consumption ideas for a thousand lifetimes. The billionaire's
         | playbook now dictates you focus on building your legacy by
         | using disruptive technology to save the world.
        
         | cjcenizal wrote:
         | There is a bit under "Tarpit ideas":
         | 
         | "Carbon removal credits on the blockchain. Using blockchain
         | technology to solve the double-counting of carbon credits is an
         | attractive idea but in our experience it's just a technology
         | choice and a small piece of the product you ultimately have to
         | build."
        
       | mattwest wrote:
       | The agriculture section is disheartening. What is the VCs worlds'
       | obsession with cellular ag and mushrooms? Totally missing the
       | forest for the trees here.
       | 
       | Global calorie supply is dependent on the Haber-Bosch process
       | i.e. Nitrogen fixation.
       | 
       | The next big agricultural breakthrough will be some form of
       | nitrogen fixation:
       | 
       | 1. That is not affected by a reduction of fossil fuels
       | 
       | 2. Is on par with Haber-Bosch in terms of elemental Nitrogen
       | application
       | 
       | 3. Does not require a massive shift in consumer preferences
       | 
       | Also, the food industry is heavily reliant on energy sources that
       | are not easily replaced by renewables. It needs dense energy like
       | diesel and natgas. So there's another topic that should be
       | funded.
        
         | paulcole wrote:
         | > Does not require a massive shift in consumer preferences
         | 
         | This is getting more and more irrelevant by the day. If
         | "climate tech" fails to "fix" climate change (a goal which I
         | believe to be impossible), then it's not going to matter what
         | people's preferences are -- the choices are going to be made
         | for them and it won't matter what they like/dislike.
        
           | mattwest wrote:
           | Then ignore it, but rest still applies and requires
           | innovation.
           | 
           | But keep in mind that if two companies provide N-fixing
           | technology, and one of them doesn't require changes in
           | consumer preference, then they will be the winner
        
           | xupybd wrote:
           | The only way you will get change at scale before disaster is
           | to help people keep their lifestyle.
           | 
           | Climate change is a fixable problem. It is not anywhere near
           | the point that choices will be made for people in the next
           | two to three decades.
        
           | guelo wrote:
           | You're confounding the people of today with the people of the
           | future. We've learned over the last couple of decades that
           | the people of today in general refuse to make any sacrifice
           | for the people of the future. This doesn't change when the
           | people of today are negatively affected because any sacrifice
           | is felt in the future and doesn't mitigate the negative
           | consequences of today.
        
           | hall0ween wrote:
           | "You kidding me? I love eating bacteria-modified-plastic-
           | waste-paste. Have _you_ tried the blue flavor yet?"
        
         | philipkglass wrote:
         | Projects to run the Haber-Bosch process with clean hydrogen are
         | already underway:
         | 
         | https://www.bicmagazine.com/projects-expansions/renewable-su...
         | 
         | https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/08/26/avaada-to-invest-5-bi...
         | 
         | https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/egypt-...
         | 
         | They use electricity from wind and/or solar power to
         | electrolyze hydrogen from water. Then the hydrogen gets
         | combined with nitrogen in the Haber-Bosch process like usual.
         | This is not a good bet for VCs because the capital commitments
         | are large (billions of dollars' worth of physical chemical
         | plant) and there's no prospect of winning the market by being
         | early. Big industrial players are already earlier than VCs
         | could hope to be at this stage.
         | 
         | In some ways this is a trip back in time. In the 20th century,
         | many renewable ammonia plants were constructed and operated
         | using hydroelectric power:
         | 
         | https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4079/3/2/11/htm
         | 
         | It peaked in the 1960s (figure 6). A combination of rising
         | demand for electricity at home and industry, plus optimization
         | of hydrogen production from fossil feedstocks, made
         | electricity-to-hydrogen (and from there to ammonia) less
         | popular. But now rising natural gas prices and climate
         | concerns, plus falling costs for renewable electricity from
         | wind and solar, make it attractive again.
        
         | pclmulqdq wrote:
         | Would hydrogen work as a fuel source here?
         | 
         | It would make sense for heavy machinery to use hydrogen rather
         | than batteries as an energy store because it is a lot more
         | energy dense (and lighter), but it's still not as energy dense
         | as fossil fuels.
        
       | vsareto wrote:
       | >Low or zero emissions concrete
       | 
       | Feels like there's already options there.
       | 
       | https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/green-tech/a4078516...
       | 
       | https://cen.acs.org/materials/Chemex-goes-global-carbon-neut...
       | 
       | Although I'm betting it's better to just radically cut demand
       | rather than try to invent a really good carbon-neutral/negative
       | concrete. If we could sink a whole bunch of carbon into concrete
       | though (significant carbon capture -> magic? -> concrete), that
       | would be cool though.
       | 
       | That's a really uncomfortable fact with a lot of climate issues:
       | it's way better to just not do the thing instead of trying to
       | find a neutral/net-negative carbon process for the thing.
        
         | gustaf wrote:
         | Making the world cut demand for concrete might actually sound
         | dramatically harder than making zero-emission concrete. (and
         | both are extremely hard!)
        
           | pclmulqdq wrote:
           | Ironically, wood is starting to look like a very promising
           | building material for tall structures that is comparatively
           | green.
        
       | ravenstine wrote:
       | > Tesla for home appliances: re-inventing home appliances (water
       | heaters, induction stoves, clothes dryers, etc) to create better
       | consumer experiences using specific advantages of electric
       | technology.
       | 
       | > Tesla-like experience for home energy management: smart hub,
       | including smart charging, load shifting, software-based load
       | shedding for improved resiliency, and better circuit-level energy
       | use measurement.
       | 
       | With how Tesla vehicles are rated, and the unanimous lack of
       | confidence in "autopilot" I've witnessed in owners, no way in
       | hell am I do I want to "Teslify" everything in my home. In order
       | to prove that there's something wrong with the current consumer
       | experience, you have to bring an example to show it. So far, I've
       | only seen ways to further add more surveillance and advertising
       | into everyday people's lives, not to mention the increased
       | disposability of appliances. No thanks.
        
         | fundad wrote:
         | Venture capitalists using Tesla in some kind of virtue signal
         | is the most 2022 thing
        
         | SalimoS wrote:
         | The way I see it when talking about Tesla it's talking about
         | the pre/post Tesla (aka the transition from ICE to EV in all
         | auto makers) and not the build quality of Tesla per se !
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | slg wrote:
           | Exactly, they are asking for technology that can shift their
           | industry. They aren't asking for Tesla's baggage any more
           | than a request for "Uber for X" implies they want a company
           | that will ignore regulatory requirements.
        
             | failuser wrote:
             | I'm pretty sure that "Uber for X" implies some degree of
             | ignoring regulations long enough to have power to change
             | them.
        
           | fabianhjr wrote:
           | Why not pre/post electric Lada of the 1980s and associated
           | R&D?
           | 
           | https://www.reckontalk.com/electro-russian-tesla-first-
           | elect...
           | 
           | The biggest manufacturer of electric cars worldwide is BYD
           | 
           | The biggest driver of sales (trough public policy) has been
           | China and Europe, including things like announcing bans of
           | ICE in city centers/cities:
           | 
           | https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electric_car_use_by_country
           | 
           | Tesla started as a luxury brand (Roadster and then luxury
           | sedans) and the only innovation they have managed is name
           | recognition; even the adoption they have driven in the US has
           | been mostly trough public policy like tax incentives.
        
             | slg wrote:
             | Because very few people will know what you are talking
             | about if you go up to a random person and ask them about
             | Lada or BYD.
             | 
             | Musk is an egomaniacal idiot that most of us dislike. There
             | are countless valid reasons to dislike Tesla as a company
             | and the cars they make. However, that shouldn't cause
             | people to overthink things when their name is simply being
             | used as shorthand as it clearly is in this instance.
        
               | esalman wrote:
               | > Because very few people will know what you are talking
               | about if you go up to a random person and ask them about
               | Lada or BYD.
               | 
               | This is why parent said only innovation Tesla has managed
               | is name recognition.
        
           | czbond wrote:
           | ^ This. There is just a backlash on HN with Elon hurting so
           | many people's feels about Twitter & having an alternate
           | political view, that everyone is seeing him in a negative
           | light.
           | 
           | Tesla helped push ICE to EV even though technologically some
           | of the efforts may have been done at other companies and
           | products before - yet Tesla pushed the experience mainstream.
        
         | agilob wrote:
         | I would be a great disaster if Tesla or HP produced water
         | boilers. If would be success if Brother or raspberry pi made
         | them.
        
           | MonkeyMalarky wrote:
           | The idea of "HP Instant Ink"-like subscriptions for home
           | appliances is vomit inducing.
        
             | agilob wrote:
             | "Your boiler has reached the limit of water it can warm up
             | this month. We're sending you a new one"
        
             | pclmulqdq wrote:
             | But think of the shareholder value they could accrue.
             | 
             | Honestly, I'm not very mad at instant ink because the
             | printer market was so broken. A subscription for another
             | appliance would be pretty maddening, though.
        
             | FredPret wrote:
             | I have instant ink and I love it. First time ever I've been
             | able to own a printer without swearing at it once
        
         | Grustaf wrote:
         | Tesla is indeed a strange choice for a simile, considering that
         | Tesla cars use prodigious amounts of energy compared to other
         | electric cars, or other cars in general. I doubt they're even
         | more environmentally friendly overall than a compact combustion
         | engine car. Tesla made electric cool by building an over the
         | top luxury car, what we really need is the opposite.
        
           | bryanlarsen wrote:
           | There are some cars coming out next year that are more energy
           | efficient than a Tesla, like the Hyundai Ioniq 6, but I don't
           | know of any currently widely available vehicles that are.
        
             | robin_reala wrote:
             | By energy efficient do you mean kilowatt hours / kilometer
             | (or equivalent units)? The standard range Model 3 - the
             | most efficient one - is apparently 15/16 kWh per 100km,
             | which is pretty much exactly the same as a VW ID3 (15.5 -
             | 15.7 in Pro spec) and only a little less than a Hyundai
             | Ioniq 5 (16.8).
        
               | odshoifsdhfs wrote:
               | Sitting on my hyundai kona ev. In 2833 kms, consumption
               | was 13.5 kwh/100km
        
         | malfist wrote:
         | Isn't the big problem with smart appliances exactly this?
         | 
         | I was in the market for a new pellet grill recently and I ran
         | into huge problems, almost everything on the market is
         | bluetooth this or wifi that. The last thing I need is an
         | unreliable radio to be at the center of the controls for my
         | outdoor appliance, or for any appliance whatsoever, to have a
         | dependency on my internet connection and the availability of
         | some manufacturers servers.
         | 
         | Because who know what might happen. The manufacturer might
         | decide it doesn't like your hardware anymore and push out a
         | firmware update that bricks all your devices in 60 days, but
         | don't worry, they'll give you a coupon for buying the latest
         | and greatest from them (looking at you sonos).
         | 
         | Want to know how to not get me to buy your product? Make it
         | dependent on some unreliable technology that gives no benefit
         | to the device, but makes the device dependent on the goodwill
         | of the parent corporation.
        
           | ravenstine wrote:
           | What's amazing is the failed potential of these devices that
           | do include things like Bluetooth and WiFi. In so many cases,
           | they sporadically fail to pair with their respective apps, or
           | are slow to pair, if they can reliably pair at all. Even when
           | the connection works, you'd better hope the app actually
           | alerts you when your food is ready or whatever. _Whooops, our
           | API returned a 500! Our bad, bruh!_
           | 
           | I'm particularly baffled because, in my experience designing
           | and manufacturing my own PCB with a BLE IC on it, integrating
           | something like BLE and having it work reliably doesn't seem
           | that difficult. BLE is an annoyingly complicated standard,
           | but it's by no means impossible to work with. The app I wrote
           | could pair with the device instantly and reliably stay
           | connected while receiving data in real time. I don't get why
           | other BLE devices I've owned have issues while my pissant
           | attempt had none of them. If it's BLE, you can count on
           | seeing some loading spinners frequently unless it's being
           | paired with another devices designed specifically for it
           | (like a game console).
           | 
           | The only wireless digital technologies I've found are
           | beneficial are WiFi internet and Bluetooth audio (which is
           | still awful in most cases but AirPods work OK). Everything
           | else ends up being a gimmick, more of a hassle, and even a
           | trojan horse for more privacy violations.
        
         | RangerScience wrote:
         | > unanimous lack of confidence in "autopilot" I've witnessed in
         | owners
         | 
         | I'm an owner and I have a lot of confidence in autopilot.
         | Generally, if it's possible to use autopilot on the road I'm
         | on, I do. So that's one owner you're witnessing who's not part
         | of that "unanimous".
        
         | bmitc wrote:
         | I came here to post this as well. For one, it doesn't even make
         | sense. Tesla is a car manufacturer and makes objectively worse
         | cars than the competition. They just happen to be EVs. Making
         | any thing "Tesla" inside my house means it will be flashy but
         | work less well than existing solutions, in addition to removing
         | all knobs. All of which is the opposite of what I want. I've
         | already de-smartified my Nests because, surprise, they aren't
         | actually smart and end up being worse than me controlling them.
        
           | ghiculescu wrote:
           | What is objectively worse about them? They seem very popular
           | with consumers.
        
             | bmitc wrote:
             | Popularity does not necessarily correlate with quality.
             | Tesla is typically rated at the bottom for quality and
             | reliability.
        
               | judge2020 wrote:
               | Tesla is pretty high on reliability, just not quality
               | (ie. panel gaps and build quality issues are still a
               | thing, but based on CR they're on-par with all the other
               | non-luxury car brands).
        
               | bryanlarsen wrote:
               | https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-
               | owner-s...
        
               | bmitc wrote:
               | Note that that ranking only compares against other EVs,
               | of which there aren't that many yet, and that Kia's new
               | model, which has only been out for a year, is already
               | above Tesla. I have said this for years, and it's been
               | clear to me that Tesla cannot compete against traditional
               | car makers moving into the EV space.
               | 
               | Consumer Reports ranks Tesla at either the bottom or
               | second to last when compared against all other car
               | manufacturers.
        
             | ravenstine wrote:
             | For one, their interior is rather unluxurious considering
             | the price tag relative to other EVs. The only thing it's
             | got going for it is the tablet screen, which was cool back
             | in the day but today anyone can install an aftermarket one
             | in their old beater.
             | 
             | If someone wants to buy a Tesla because they truly like it
             | or the brand, they're the only ones who can decide the
             | right answer for them. I personally don't get it. There are
             | way better options now in my eyes; it's just they're uncool
             | brand names like Subaru and Hyundai.
        
       | mjhay wrote:
       | Attempting to solve climate change with virtue-signalling
       | consumption and production is worse than useless. That doesn't
       | mean such things are necessarily bad startup ideas, though, but
       | few things turn me off more than this sort of thing.
        
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       | smileysteve wrote:
       | Hybrid water heaters, active anode rods, and adaptive timing seem
       | very revolutionary already. The other revolutionary aspect would
       | be smaller point of use instant heaters that the world except the
       | US use.
       | 
       | Tldr; a lot of existing innovation exists that the US isn't
       | purchasing.
        
       | Giorgi wrote:
       | Wait, what's the point submitting 2022 call?
        
       | bmitc wrote:
       | I'm not convinced that the solutions to climate change are tech
       | related. If anything, climate change is tech driven.
       | 
       | Addressing climate change doesn't really require startups and
       | venture capitalist pump and dump schemes. It requires social and
       | behavioral changes, mainly centered around consumption. Basically
       | everything on this list would increase consumption,
       | manufacturing, construction, road building, etc.
       | 
       | There are many, many known solutions to climate change that do
       | not require any new science or technology. We just don't want to
       | do them. Lists like these are really just trying to invent new
       | tech and science that allows us to keep current levels of
       | consumption.
        
         | admax88qqq wrote:
         | > It requires social and behavioral changes, mainly centered
         | around consumption.
         | 
         | So far it seems these changes are going to be impossible to
         | achieve. Like you say we just don't want to do them. Current
         | levels of consumption will continue, and increase.
         | 
         | So given that as a prior what are how do you approach the
         | problem? If we can't change human behaviour can we innovate our
         | way out of the problem?
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | I think that's part of my larger point that companies and
           | startups simply cannot solve this problem and are really part
           | of the problem. Governments could mandate and incentivize
           | changes, but companies would come kicking and screaming.
           | 
           | > If we can't change human behaviour can we innovate our way
           | out of the problem?
           | 
           | Most human innovations have increased climate change. I have
           | little optimism that we can suddenly adjust the dial. And
           | capitalism is simply at odds with reducing or even moderating
           | consumption.
        
       | bokohut wrote:
       | A great list to start with yet there are still several items
       | missing from their projected speculations. As a core software
       | architect and founder who has built multiple acquired ecommerce
       | systems prior to and since the dotcom bust long ago I feel it
       | prudent to emphasize to those that lack the experience to see
       | what is happening yet again in an even more critical modern
       | societal industry. The coming energy opportunities for those
       | entrepreneurs among us here that possess the appropriate subject
       | matter knowledge across hardware and software is significant, I
       | cannot state it enough, "extremely significant". Should you have
       | the tenacity and drive to create and build something which others
       | state is not possible then there is no time like the present to
       | start and prove them wrong as every living person NEEDS energy.
       | Who knows, maybe along the way you even enjoy the journey and
       | make a little income too.
        
         | jerrygenser wrote:
         | This paragraph seems gpt-like
        
           | bokohut wrote:
           | I unfortunately regret to disappoint you that a living
           | breathing homo sapien wrote this, me. My writing style is
           | mine and mine alone although GPT could very well imitate my
           | style but in this case it did not.
        
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