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       Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore -
       advice?
        
       10 months ago, I started to work at a company that uses Slack
       heavily. They have 1000+ channels and my team is tagged in a lot of
       stuff so I get a lot of notifications.  I can't concentrate at all.
       It's not like it's annoying, I simply cannot work.  I have been
       spending 10x more energy since I started to just keep above the
       water but now, after 10 months, I'm simply drowning and my tickets
       are all piling up.  I don't want to be that person that's not
       reachable but more and more, I'm thinking about closing Slack and
       opening it 2-3x a day.  Any advice?
        
       Author : throwaway91021
       Score  : 65 points
       Date   : 2022-12-16 12:04 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
       | nicolaslem wrote:
       | > I don't want to be that person that's not reachable but more
       | and more, I'm thinking about closing Slack and opening it 2-3x a
       | day.
       | 
       | Looks like you already know the way forward, tell your team that
       | you will be checking slack regularly but on your own schedule. If
       | they protest, tell them to grab a copy of Deep Work by Cal
       | Newport.
        
       | jimmywetnips wrote:
       | Can you get used to just not checking things? disable the counter
       | and notification icon on slack? I would have 20k unread emails
       | just because the vast majority are not important at all. People
       | lost their minds when they saw that and I reealized that it
       | wasn't normal. I just did good work so I got away with a lot and
       | my manager definitely gave me cover and reminded me of very
       | important things. ofc that depends on having a solid manager
       | 
       | Same with slack messages. If it's not super important I learned
       | to just not pay attention to it or get to it when I have nothing
       | going on.
       | 
       | I know you already did this but I aggressively leave slack
       | channels, especially the "fun" ones. I can see plenty of cats and
       | boomer memes on the open internet, and showing up in the office
       | once in a while pays way more social interaction dividends than
       | the cheap virtual interactions on fun slack channels.
        
       | Nihilartikel wrote:
       | I'm not diagnosed with ADHD, but Slack's notification noises
       | trigger a visceral fight-or-flight response in me. Not PTSD
       | surely, but in that spectrum.
       | 
       | This was from an early stage startup experience with 10 hour
       | timezone deltas, and never-not being on call for some crucial
       | infrastructure.
       | 
       | The sounds still evoke the dread,annoyance, and simmering
       | resentment that accompanied a 4AM slack ping with the CTO just
       | saying "Hey"
        
         | TurkishPoptart wrote:
         | >The sounds still evoke the dread,annoyance, and simmering
         | resentment that accompanied a 4AM slack ping with the CTO just
         | saying "Hey"
         | 
         | You're such a good writer! Goddamn, you gave me the chills just
         | with this line.
        
       | trynewideas wrote:
       | At a previous company I had a very similar problem, and
       | eventually converted an old SIM-less phone into my Slack device
       | and mounted it in a stand on my desk. (Slack was not deemed a
       | sensitive company app that had to run on company devices, which
       | considering the access to customer channels and prod-affecting
       | chatops features seemed stupid, but I'm not IT.)
       | 
       | I could physically turn Slack off by turning the phone off, and
       | the only other way to get through to me was async, via email or
       | in tickets.
       | 
       | A coworker I trusted had my personal cell number and texted me
       | when something was actually urgent, which happened twice in 6
       | months.
        
         | trynewideas wrote:
         | Also I'd really strongly suggest that you push your company
         | away from a team @ alias and toward a team channel. The only
         | groups that should have an @ alias that punches through
         | notification settings are on-call, and if your role IS on-call
         | then no amount of Slack changes will reduce interrupts.
        
           | throwaway91021 wrote:
           | People create one @ alias per team and also many others for
           | subteams or temporary project teams, etc. There is one for
           | oncall too. Every time one of those aliases gets tagged, I
           | get a notification, an orange counter or sometimes messages
           | from Slackbot asks me to join the channels.
           | 
           | *> punches through notification settings
           | 
           | I'd like to specify which aliases should not be ignored but I
           | can't in Slack, unless I'm missing something.
           | 
           | Also, disabling the oragen counter is not possible (even for
           | muted channels).
        
       | capableweb wrote:
       | It's a common problem, probably most common name for it is
       | "information overload". There is a new skill needed today where
       | you need to find ways of dealing with the "signal vs noise"
       | problem. There is just so much information that if you try to
       | take in everything, you'll be overloaded. Instead, you need to
       | figure out some way of filtering incoming information so more
       | "signal" than "noise" gets through to you. I'm sure having ADHD
       | makes this a lot harder too.
       | 
       | Rather than giving you some specific advice, best advice I have
       | for you is to lookup existing resources that deal with
       | "information overload", try searching for that on your favorite
       | search engine.
       | 
       | In the past, there been a lot of threads on HN as well with good
       | advice that you can browse through, probably you'll find at least
       | one idea that can help you a bit. Here is an example search for
       | "Ask HN information overload" sorted by score:
       | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        
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       | danwee wrote:
       | > I don't want to be that person that's not reachable but more
       | and more, I'm thinking about closing Slack and opening it 2-3x a
       | day.
       | 
       | What's wrong with that? That's how many people work with Slack
       | (myself included). I don't answer whenever someone asks me
       | something; I answer in a specific allocated timeslot during the
       | day (2 to be precise: the very first thing in the morning, and 2h
       | before finishing my day)
        
       | gRoberts84 wrote:
       | I set my notifications to "Direct messages, mentioned &
       | keywords".
       | 
       | This way, you can keep it open and dip into whatever you need to
       | but you'll not be swamped with millions of notifications.
       | 
       | I'd also go through all channels etc and mute or leave channels
       | you're not actually required in any more.
        
         | throwaway91021 wrote:
         | I have it set to "Nothing" but whenever I have the window open,
         | I can see the orange notification conter popping up on several
         | channels (even if I mute them).
         | 
         | I tried leaving channels but I get invited back whenever people
         | tag my team, so I gave up and muted all of them (but still get
         | the notification counter, which makes muting useless for me).
         | 
         | EDIT: Whenever someone tags my team, the little Slack icon on
         | the tray bar goes red... and I don't know if that's a direct
         | message (usually important) or someone tagging my team just
         | "fyi". I have to check it always.
        
       | mxvanzant wrote:
       | I think your idea of limiting Slack is great. You can provide an
       | alternative to be reachable for emergencies if needed.
       | 
       | In addition in my reading, I've come across some helpful
       | nutritional approaches and these were news to me:
       | 
       | http://doctoryourself.com/hoffer_ABC.html
       | http://doctoryourself.com/adhd.html
       | 
       | (These articles are geared towards parents with ADHD kids, but
       | applies to adults also.)
        
         | hacknewslogin wrote:
         | I'm getting a lot of red flags from this website. It reads like
         | a marketing campaign to sell the writers books and vitamins.
         | All of the "evidence" is anecdotal. As someone who struggled
         | with ADHD their whole life, it's demeaning to read. "Your kid
         | has ADHD? Oh he just needs some niacin."
        
       | canadianfella wrote:
       | > I'm thinking about closing Slack and opening it 2-3x a day.
       | 
       | Do that.
        
       | heavyset_go wrote:
       | Consider medication if you haven't already. You don't have to
       | take amphetamines, there are drugs like guanfacine that isn't a
       | stimulant at all, and bupropion that is a weak stimulant used for
       | depression that also works for ADD/ADHD. Bupropion helped me a
       | lot with concentration.
        
       | dahdum wrote:
       | I started using 4 virtual desktops to manage distractions many
       | years ago and it's worked wonderfully for me.
       | 
       | Desktop 1 is for chat, email, Spotify, and general web browsing.
       | 
       | Desktop 2 is for software development only, nowadays VSCode. A
       | separate browser profile is used here and only for development
       | related browsing (docs, stack overflow, live testing).
       | 
       | Desktop 3 is data and system administration. Remote terminals,
       | Excel, database clients, and similar go here.
       | 
       | Desktop 4 is a catch-all. I use it for infrequent activity, like
       | the occasional Photoshop, Word or vendor tooling.
       | 
       | I've used this same setup on Windows, OSX, and Linux for 15+
       | years. I always setup Alt-1,2,3,4 to switch and tweak the OS to
       | remove all animations so it switches instantly.
       | 
       | I've found it much easier to stay in the zone this way.
        
         | jbverschoor wrote:
         | Similar here. I've blocked all distractions in ublock on my dev
         | and general browsers.
         | 
         | Stage manager actually helps a lot
        
         | NotPractical wrote:
         | How do you remove the desktop-switching animation on macOS? I'd
         | like to use the virtual desktops feature but the animation is
         | unbearably slow, and I was unable to find a way to disable it
         | online even after extensive searching.
        
       | hartator wrote:
       | > I don't want to be that person that's not reachable but more
       | and more, I'm thinking about closing Slack and opening it 2-3x a
       | day.
       | 
       | This is fine.
       | 
       | Quality answers every couple of hours are better appreciated then
       | nonsense rapid spam.
        
       | figeroll wrote:
       | That sounds like an absolute nightmare.
       | 
       | Is your management chain aware that you are diagnosed with ADHD?
       | Staying off Slack should be considered a very reasonable
       | accommodation for your condition. Perhaps go ahead and do it, but
       | also tell them why, and how it will improve your productivity.
       | 
       | Alternatively maybe it's time to look for a different job with a
       | more appropriate working environment, one that doesn't lead to
       | such stress. How have you found previous jobs, in terms of being
       | able to focus?
        
         | throwaway91021 wrote:
         | _> Is your management chain aware that you are diagnosed with
         | ADHD_
         | 
         | No, and I don't think it will help, to be honest. They will
         | just start paying even more attention to my work and decide
         | it's not worth it.
        
           | toomuchtodo wrote:
           | If you're in the US, I would request a formal reasonable
           | accommodation from HR with your medical evidence. This
           | establishes a paper trail in the event they attempt to
           | terminate you due to your medical condition. My
           | recommendation would be to codify the expectations around
           | response time and Slack interactions in writing as the
           | accommodation.
           | 
           | https://www.dol.gov/agencies/odep/program-
           | areas/employers/ac...
           | 
           | https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/fact-sheet-disability-
           | dis...
        
             | nashashmi wrote:
             | I would never do that. You get marked as someone who
             | requires special accommodation. Adhd is one of those things
             | that only come up every now and then.
        
               | fragmede wrote:
               | Yes, but then _you get special accommodation_.
               | Accommodations that, y 'know, help you manage and deal
               | with getting your work done.
        
             | krageon wrote:
             | Once you need to start worrying about paper trails, your
             | life within the corporation will have become an utter
             | nightmare. Sharing medical information with your employer
             | should be an absolute last resort, which isn't where OP
             | appears to find themselves (given that muting notifications
             | and checking it every once in a while is on the table).
        
               | toomuchtodo wrote:
               | It sounds like OPs life is already an utter nightmare
               | there. Can only go up after getting some relief.
               | 
               | > I can't concentrate at all. It's not like it's
               | annoying, I simply cannot work. I have been spending 10x
               | more energy since I started to just keep above the water
               | but now, after 10 months, I'm simply drowning and my
               | tickets are all piling up.
               | 
               | How depressing to think one shouldn't ask their employer
               | for an accommodation for a legitimate medical condition
               | after almost a year of suffering 8+ hours a day. More
               | empathy please.
        
             | fsociety wrote:
             | Honest question, does this actually help? I avoid
             | disclosing my ADHD now because others at work have either
             | started to treat me like a drug addict, tried to help but
             | have a ton of misconceptions about ADHD, or started to
             | treat me like a child.
             | 
             | The only positive responses have been from people who have
             | it. But it doesn't help for workplace accommodations.
        
       | brailsafe wrote:
       | Yes, do exactly what you think you need to do. I've been staving
       | off this from happening by making it very clear to my boss why my
       | tickets are piling up, and why expecting me to check in on
       | multiple threads for the possibility of me being needed on them
       | is an incorrect expectation. I make it as clear as I can to
       | people, that if they need my attention on something, tag me in a
       | Jira comment or DM me. Communication is a part of my duties, but
       | it should never require all of my energy.
       | 
       | Now, of course, since my manager has shifted from being an
       | engineer to climbing a management ladder, my needs make zero
       | sense to him, and he thinks that since he can monitor 100s of
       | channels concurrently and attend meetings literally all day every
       | day, surely I should be able to do whatever his pet issue is that
       | day. He also feels like checking in on the status of a ticket
       | every fucking day is going to help me do it faster, but it's the
       | way it is, the systems companies thoughtlessly adopt push us out.
       | Ultimately, this is going to push and pull until I'll probably be
       | underwater too long and either get fired or quit. So my advice is
       | to figure out if you have any possibility of staying, and do what
       | you feel you need to in protecting your sanity, until you leave.
       | 
       | Do not try and fulfill this expectation. It's dumb and you're the
       | wrong person for it. If it gets to a certain point, make it clear
       | that they should hire someone else who's specifically good at
       | that, if that's what they define the job to be.
        
       | janosdebugs wrote:
       | I work with a person who has ADHD and is also a fantastic
       | colleague. After we first met the team structure changed in such
       | a way that they were less confronted with most everybody in the
       | department and more working in a more isolated environment. This
       | person has flourished since, possibly as a result of this change.
       | 
       | I don't know what size company you work in, but based on the
       | super scientific sample size of 1, asking for a transfer to a
       | more isolated team may help.
        
       | dghlsakjg wrote:
       | Slack has some pretty fine grained notification controls. You can
       | set it up so only certain channels notify, or so that only direct
       | mentions notify, or so that only dms notify.
       | 
       | You can also just turn off notifications altogether. Explain to
       | your colleagues that slack is keeping you from getting work done
       | so you are going to turn off notifications. If you feel guilty
       | give them a way to contact you if they truly need you
       | immediately.
        
       | Areading314 wrote:
       | Pause notifications for 30 while you do pomodoros. Works well for
       | me
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | I have the opposite problem. I concentrate so much that I forget
       | to read my e-mails and other notifications, and people get angry
       | with me.
        
       | black_13 wrote:
        
       | lynchdt wrote:
       | I work mostly with Engineering teams, and consider slack inbound
       | a pathology. Slack is great for collab in places, but it's not a
       | strong way to manage inbound, IMO.
       | 
       | The teams I'm responsible for make it easy for their stakeholder
       | to raise issues, asks in a more deliberate, calmer way e.g. via
       | GitHub issues or manager email. In exchange, we commit to
       | mutually agreed response times on certain categories of business
       | critical issues.
       | 
       | Generally, I don't think it takes an ADHD diagnosis for slack
       | inbound to completely kill your productivity, it's a general
       | problem. I don't have ADHD but have strong empathy for how this
       | must be a complete nightmare for you.
       | 
       | Perhaps have a manager put some structure on your inbound on your
       | behalf?
        
         | Tagbert wrote:
         | I'm curious about what you mean by "inbound". It sounds like
         | messages from someone "outside" but not sure if that is
         | probably a limited definition.
        
           | devonbleak wrote:
           | Inbound = something that requires a response/action. Could be
           | an automated alert that creates a ticket, could be a slack
           | message from someone asking for something.
           | 
           | If you're not great with it every message can feel like an
           | inbound and you're compelled to go cycle through all the
           | channels and read everything whether it's immediately
           | relevant or not.
        
           | davzie wrote:
           | I think the meaning of inbound here refers to work that is
           | defined or asked of you or a team via Slack instead of via
           | more thought-out and defined work.
        
       | qup wrote:
       | Check it a couple times per day.
       | 
       | Don't check it in the morning. First check after lunch.
        
       | biggedyb wrote:
       | tl:dr; turn off the notifications and proritise your workload so
       | you know that the stuff you are clearing is the important stuff
       | first, tell the company you are doing this to focus on your
       | backlog.
       | 
       | This is going to come across as arrogant, and in a way it is, but
       | in a healthy way.
       | 
       | If your tickets are piling up then you /need/ to ignore
       | distractions. Someone then tries to track you down so you lead
       | with 'is it on fire?' and when it is, ok that does rank highly,
       | but when it's not 'sorry, I've got so much backlog I need to
       | focus on right now, email me and I'll look at it as soon as I
       | can, but fair warning, it might take a while' is not only ok,
       | it's absolutely critical. In a very strange turn of events you'll
       | likely see that somehow these critical problems are being solved
       | at the source.... ;)
       | 
       | This also means that the workload you have and therefore the time
       | you allocate to spending doing it has to be priority driven.
       | Start with the flames and work back to the embers.
       | 
       | Finally, just to reinforce the main point here, if the tooling
       | you've been provided with isn't enabling you to do your job well,
       | then find how it will and tell the company what you plan to do to
       | ensure productivity.
       | 
       | :) remember, they hired you to make them money, if you find a
       | better way of making money faster and for longer only an idiot
       | will find fault with that. This is how good ways of working
       | evolve in environments.
        
       | rqmedes wrote:
       | Not related to slack, but managing your ADHD symptoms.
       | 
       | Look into a low oxalate diet, it really helped me and my
       | children.
       | 
       | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21911305/
       | 
       | https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/articles-1/2015/11/13/...
       | 
       | https://korunutrition.com/autism-low-oxalate-diet/
       | 
       | https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/vegetarianism-and...
        
         | badrabbit wrote:
         | Damn it, they have tea on that list of oxalates. Adderal to the
         | rescue!
        
         | tdeck wrote:
         | All of these links are about autism, not ADHD. Am I missing
         | something?
        
           | dchristian wrote:
           | Autism is a wide spectrum. Some would consider ADHD part if
           | it. If nothing else, there is lots of overlap.
        
         | loxias wrote:
         | Interesting links, thanks!
         | 
         | (in case it helps anyone else...) About half a year ago I
         | discovered that a brutally low carb diet -- leading to being in
         | ketosis -- drastically helped my ADHD as well as other mental
         | health things I've struggled with for my entire life. I wish I
         | knew earlier!
        
           | dchristian wrote:
           | Two things that might also work, but be easier.
           | 
           | Supplement MCT oil. This turns into keytones in the body. See
           | The Complete Book of Ketones by Mary Newport for all the
           | science. She's got into it for Alzheimers, but the
           | applicability is wider than that.
           | 
           | Go gluten-free and casein-free. That's eliminating wheat and
           | dairy in your diet. Both of these turn into a form of
           | morphine in the body. Look up glutomorphine and casomorphine.
           | A slightly easier diet to stick to than keto. This cured my
           | aspergers.
        
             | loxias wrote:
             | Cool. Thanks!
             | 
             | Already using MCT oil in lots of cooking :) Had no idea
             | about dairy... interesting, I eat a lot of high fat cheese.
             | 
             | Thanks for the references, I'll certainly read more.
        
       | jonasdegendt wrote:
       | Make checking your messages part of your routine, as opposed to
       | an interruption of said routine. More concretely, set certain
       | time windows of your day, be it hourly or every 4 hours, where
       | you check Slack and reply to relevant messages, after which you
       | drop it again until the next window.
       | 
       | Turn off all Slack notifications (or close out of it all
       | together) and set daily and repeating calendar events that say
       | "check Slack" to pop up instead. That's how I've setup all kinds
       | of reoccurring but otherwise distracting tasks and it works
       | great.
        
       | lordkrandel wrote:
       | It's good! 2 times is good, 4 times is max. One as you arrive
       | (put yourself as busy), one mid morning, one after lunch, one in
       | the afternoon. A two to four hours delay is completely
       | acceptable.
        
       | sf4lifer wrote:
       | I ran into this issue at a large corp. I was a subject matter
       | expert on how a certain product worked so literally would get
       | 500+ notifications daily from (mostly sales) people asking the
       | same questions. I set an auto-reply to anyone that mentioned me
       | that included a link to FAQ and directed them to SEs or CS folks
       | who were responsible for answering these sort of questions. I
       | also linked a recording to the last webinar where I went over
       | what's new and answered questions and a link to the next upcoming
       | one. In the auto-response I set the expectation that a response
       | from could take up to 5 days. This more or less solved that
       | issue.
       | 
       | As for my own channel surfing to avoid working. That's a WIP.
       | Best advice I can give is to maintain a task list. When you catch
       | yourself surfing, go to the task list and see if there is
       | something you can knock off.
        
         | jimmywetnips wrote:
         | That's an excellent solution. I think part of it is also being
         | comfortable and firm and not teaching others that "Hey he's the
         | go to guy and he answers questions immediately and is super
         | helpful". Eventually the problem sorts itself out. And even if
         | it doesn't, so what, you're one person. There are limits and
         | real costs to being a human operating switchboard.
        
       | j4nek wrote:
       | having the same problem, also Slack/Teams UI is (visually) way
       | too bloated. Using something cleaner like iMessage and IRC is
       | helping me a lot, but this is unfortunately not possible all the
       | time so i open up Teams only twice a day and pepole should call
       | me if there is a urgent case.
        
       | numpad0 wrote:
       | Slack sometimes feels like a party app than internal messaging
       | tbh. Always feels in a community and in the moment, than picking
       | up tasks and handling it. Maybe that's what productivity means
       | but just sometimes feels wrong.
        
       | Ilasky wrote:
       | Founder with ADHD here! I ran into this issue a bunch at my
       | previous job as well. The notifications were always going off and
       | detracting me from doing the actual work. There were two things I
       | did, and do now, that have worked for me:
       | 
       | 1. Similar to you, I muted my notifications and opened slack a
       | few times a day.
       | 
       | 2. I paired up with someone else to focus on the task at hand
       | (like with Double[0]). I was able to ignore the pings, if they
       | came through, because I felt more accountable to the person I was
       | on the line with than the pings.
       | 
       | Your mileage may vary on these, so I would definitely encourage a
       | bit of experimentation!
       | 
       | [0] https://doubleapp.xyz
        
         | nashashmi wrote:
         | Lol. Self plug without the disclaimer. Shame.
        
       | fragmede wrote:
       | Setup focus time "meetings" on your calendar where you schedule
       | time to be off slack - people can call you during them if they
       | have to - and close out slack entirely when you're in those
       | blocks.
        
       | orzig wrote:
       | I don't know if it's enough, but the first thing I do when
       | joining a new organization is aggressively cut down on
       | notifications, both using the N app, preferences, and the
       | operating system preferences. The next thing I do is set
       | expectations with coworkers, the same tool can be used very
       | differently across different organizations.
        
       | raxxorraxor wrote:
       | I don't have ADHD and I hate this too. I vastly prefer mail, not
       | only because people put more effort in formulating their
       | questions, but also because asynchronous communication is more
       | accepted here.
       | 
       | Such tools can be quite a lot of distraction... I often ignore
       | queries I think have lesser importance. If it really was
       | important, they will probably contact me again.
       | 
       | I have given up on my ambitions to have a "clean desk"...
        
       | smileybarry wrote:
       | I tweak my Slack pretty heavily to suit my ADHD but 90% of it is:
       | _turn off (desktop) notifications entirely._ Not  "sometimes",
       | _all of it._ (I just set Windows to DND so I still get Slack 's
       | red dot) I notice the red dot as soon as it appears anyway, but
       | the lack of bigger visuals & audio means if I'm _actually_
       | focused (and don 't notice the red dot) I don't get yanked out of
       | it.
       | 
       | The other 10% is:
       | 
       | * Mute unnecessary channels
       | 
       | * Turn off mentions entirely for channels where they don't mean
       | much other than "@XYZ is looking at it"
       | 
       | * Set mobile notifications to "only if away" (+ a work hours
       | schedule; if it's important they can click the "notify anyway"
       | link)
       | 
       | * If you're on Android: change the notification sound to
       | something custom that's a lot more "calm" and quieter, because
       | you notice it anyway and it won't give off the "important! DM!
       | check now!" feeling that all of Slack's do. (I miss this on iOS)
       | 
       | * On really bad days (focus-wise): don't be afraid to hide or
       | close Slack entirely to _just focus._ I usually just put it away
       | in Windows ' extended notification tray, so I can occasionally
       | check it without relaunching (or appearing offline/away).
        
         | Kuinox wrote:
         | How do you manage to not click on the slack icon despite having
         | seen the red dot ? When I see the notification icon, I won't be
         | able to focus on something else until I cleared the
         | notification.
        
           | KerrAvon wrote:
           | Turn off icon badging as well. No notifications really means
           | _no_ notifications. This is the way.
        
             | MarcelOlsz wrote:
             | But then there's the anxiety of waiting like 4 hours,
             | opening it, and seeing a bunch of critical messages you
             | weren't around for. I need either a robot that will gently
             | tap me on the shoulder and quietly tell me to check my
             | notifications, or somehow relay the badge to a collar on my
             | dog so he can bark at me. The badge is the worst. The
             | sounds are the worst. At this point I rather just have a
             | landline people can call me on with a voice machine.
        
           | smileybarry wrote:
           | I still click it, but I disabled mentions on some more public
           | channels so it doesn't happen as often. If it appears a lot
           | and I need to get stuff done, I just drag Slack into the
           | expanded tray so I don't even see the dot. (the numberless
           | dot, not the [1] badge)
        
         | wobbly_bush wrote:
         | I don't have ADHD and yet I still do all of this. Removing all
         | notification dots/numbers, no previews, muting channels,
         | suppressing mentions in some channels, separating channels into
         | "infrequent"/"team"/"org" sections and keeping some collapsed
         | (looking at them once a day). On mobile removing notification
         | sound, preview and also removing notification from lock screen
         | (only allowing in notification center).
         | 
         | You can also set your status to permanent "responses will be
         | delayed". No one has the right to my attention within a few
         | seconds (except when oncall). I use slack the way it makes me
         | productive.
        
       | P_I_Staker wrote:
       | I'm really sorry. As someone else diagnosed with ADHD it's been
       | very hard for me to be positive about anything. Hang in there, I
       | guess... life just seems impossible.
        
       | josephd79 wrote:
       | Same diagnosis and exp here. Welcome to notification hell.
       | Problem is all of these bs communication apps are treated as
       | synchronous instead of asynchronous and managers think it helps
       | when in reality it causes distractions, extra stress and loss of
       | productivity.
       | 
       | 1000 slack channels. Lol wtf.
       | 
       | Here's what i do and it's helped. I turned them ALL off. Banners,
       | badges, bells. All of it. I check on my terms.
        
       | yuppie_scum wrote:
       | Mute the notifications. Or even just close slack. Break projects
       | into tasks. Finish one task at a time, then check slack/email.
        
       | taseedc wrote:
        
       | tomxor wrote:
       | Have you considered that you might just have a Slack problem?
       | honestly.
       | 
       | Labels can be dangerous and polarising - individual psychology
       | and behaviour fall on a nuanced multidimensional spectrum, and I
       | think these labels target such a large range and severity of
       | behaviour that they have a high risk of conflating symptoms with
       | completely different causes. Combined with misaligned intensives
       | to sell drugs, I'm highly sceptical of the majority of diagnoses.
       | 
       | I was diagnosed with dyslexia at a young age, but it turns out I
       | was just a stubborn child who disliked accepting the seeming
       | illogic of the written English language where other kids are
       | usually less questioning and do what they are told, compared to
       | truly? or "more" dyslexic people who genuinely struggle with
       | placing letters in the correct order rather than merely bothering
       | to remember them.
       | 
       | It's completely possible to exhibit "ADHD" symptoms from an
       | unhealthy work life... WFH and covid has caused instant messaging
       | like Slack to take centre stage in all communication, and that
       | has definitely messed with a lot of people's ability to focus on
       | their work, myself included. I've had to take some quite extreme
       | measures, making sure it's completely closed between certain
       | times (not in away mode, but actually not loaded, unreachable).
       | If there is an emergency, people have your phone number,
       | sometimes you need time to yourself and that's when people can
       | wait, unless it's an emergency.
        
         | thatfrenchguy wrote:
         | > Combined with misaligned intensives to sell drugs, I'm highly
         | sceptical of the majority of diagnoses.
         | 
         | ADHD and executive disfunction are under-diagnosed rather than
         | over-diagnosed (I have so many friends who have obvious
         | undiagnosed adhd), mostly because of parents who think like
         | you, or the classic "it does not exist, you're just a slacker,
         | pharma is just trying to sell you some drugs". Most physicians
         | who diagnose you don't make any significant additional money
         | from selling you drugs.
         | 
         | > It's completely possible to exhibit "ADHD" symptoms from an
         | unhealthy work life
         | 
         | Or maybe OP really has severe ADHD?
        
           | tomxor wrote:
           | > or the classic "it does not exist, you're just a slacker,
           | pharma is just trying to sell you some drugs"
           | 
           | I don't think it doesn't exist, I think it's not a useful
           | label due to the way it's treated as a long term issue that
           | can only be addressed with drug use.
        
         | jasonhansel wrote:
         | OP's post strongly implies that they were diagnosed with ADHD
         | long before the issues with Slack.
        
       | pacifika wrote:
       | Set your slack notifications to email then you have async control
       | to follow up in between work.
        
         | josephd79 wrote:
         | Just gotta make sure that email notification is turned off or
         | you're gonna be back in notification hell.
        
       | paulcole wrote:
       | Are you located in the United States? If so, consider requesting
       | an accommodation under the ADA.
        
       | thenerdhead wrote:
       | You should be that person who is not reachable. You need to set
       | boundaries. Otherwise you are going to fall in the classic
       | catch-22 of talking about the work and getting none of that work
       | done. That's fine if you see your job as a paycheck. It's not so
       | fine if you actually find meaning in your work and want to make
       | forward progress.
        
       | brundolf wrote:
       | I often close Slack when I need to focus on something. And I'll
       | spend hours of the day with my phone on do-not-disturb
       | 
       | If you're needing to be urgently-reached multiple times a day,
       | there's something seriously wrong at your company. Almost any
       | message should be able to wait a few hours
       | 
       | You mention "tickets piling up", which sounds like it goes beyond
       | Slack. If these are actual tasks piling up faster than you can
       | complete them, that's a whole separate problem with the company
       | and has nothing to do with you or your adhd
       | 
       | If the company does have systemic issues that are making it hard
       | to function on the job, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. Or at
       | least talking about it with your manager
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | People here will share all sorts of productivity hacks, but your
       | workplace is legally required to make reasonable concessions to
       | accommodate disabilities. Talk to your manager and/or HR and
       | figure something out.
        
       | nashashmi wrote:
       | I have had adhd and autism. Thought it was a birth trait. But
       | adulthood happened and i had been getting away more and more from
       | those symptoms.
       | 
       | Now it's coming back. And I realized it has a lot to do with
       | parenting incorrectly.
       | 
       | Let's just say looking back, there is nothing you can do to
       | adjust to a moving train with adhd. So start reducing your role.
       | Shrink a bit. Be less manager. and be more managed if that helps.
       | And start communicating loudly about what makes slack difficult.
       | Very loudly. People will realize who you are without realizing
       | you have adhd. And will adjust to how you work.
       | 
       | So figure out how many things you can track at any one time. My
       | max is five. So reduce your inputs to just those items. And
       | designate one of them for colleagues.
        
         | viburnum wrote:
         | Parenting?
        
       | s1k3 wrote:
       | Step 1 - turn off all notifications, noise and badges. This will
       | allow you to not be disturbed by interruptions.
       | 
       | Step 2 - if step 1 doesn't work then shut slack down while
       | working. Being reachable 100% of the time is insane. And the
       | barrier for bugging is super low with Slack.
       | 
       | Step 3 - if 2,3 don't work then use something like dispatch.do to
       | prioritize all the junk and filter out all the noise.
       | 
       | Step 4 - it's a you problem. Find a new job or seek professional
       | help.
        
         | callmeal wrote:
         | I would add: delete the slack app, and use it from a browser.
         | Then you'll only get notifications when the browser is in the
         | foreground. (Of course assuming you've disabled browser
         | notifications).
         | 
         | This way you can leave slack running, you will show up as
         | available, but will not be disturbed unless the slack tab is in
         | the foreground. (Or someone makes a call).
        
           | baal80spam wrote:
           | Another big advantage of using Slack in a browser is being
           | able to customize everything using addons like Stylus (I
           | customize colours and fonts).
        
           | jimmywetnips wrote:
           | oh good point. someone should write an extension that only
           | pings you based on critical rules, like if someone writes
           | "bump", or "hey were you able to check on that?" or if 5 DMs
           | have piled up, then it releases the notification. Honestly
           | slack should do this themselves
        
           | comprev wrote:
           | That's a great tip for reducing notifications further. Alert
           | fatigue is a bigger problem than organisations often realise.
        
       | doodruggs wrote:
        
       | chx wrote:
       | I got diagnosed a year ago.
       | 
       | Best resources I've found: https://adhdjesse.com/newsletter (this
       | taught me about rejection sensitive dysphoria, _ouch_ ) and
       | https://www.adhddd.com/anti-planner/
        
       | throwaway24124 wrote:
       | Try looking for fully remote asynchronous companies. Comes with a
       | different set of challenges for someone with ADHD, but companies
       | with a culture that is more focused on asynchronous communication
       | tend to work better with the high/low levels of focus that come
       | with ADHD. I think if you're regularly getting pinged by people
       | beyond your direct team, it's a sign of mismanaged culture.
        
       | userbinator wrote:
       | Ask your company to consider using Microsoft Teams instead. It's
       | so repulsive that you and everyone else will probably be far less
       | willing to communicate at all.
       | 
       | Only half-joking.
        
         | ideamotor wrote:
         | Haha brilliant
        
         | brailsafe wrote:
         | This is so true though.
        
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