[HN Gopher] Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vis...
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       Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server
       2008, 2003, 2000
        
       Author : weissbier
       Score  : 89 points
       Date   : 2022-12-16 20:30 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (legacyupdate.net)
 (TXT) w3m dump (legacyupdate.net)
        
       | accrual wrote:
       | I haven't tried this personally but I'm already a huge fan of it.
       | I build and benchmark various retro PCs and some of them are fast
       | enough to be fully patched, which I do if it's an option.
       | 
       | For XP I really like the unofficial SP4 service pack which rolls
       | up all post-SP3 updates into a single executable, with or without
       | .NET. The later POS-only patches are also available. It makes it
       | really simple to bring an old system "up to date", even if the
       | last update was a couple years ago.
       | 
       | These machines are just for fun of course and I don't do real
       | work on them, and I'm behind NAT and monitor my traffic, so I'm
       | not really worried about these systems.
        
         | ryandrake wrote:
         | I agree, this is excellent! Honestly, shame on Microsoft that
         | these sorts of things have to be a community-produced and
         | delivered. Not singling Microsoft out, either--most software
         | vendors' support for older products is abysmal. I'm tired of
         | the attitude in the software industry of only maintaining back
         | to some arbitrary time (mere years!), inevitably leaving users
         | of older systems out in the cold. Unpopular opinion, but if you
         | can't be assed to support a product for the duration that it's
         | deployed in the field, you probably shouldn't release it to
         | begin with.
        
       | londons_explore wrote:
       | I love the style/theme of the site. I might use it on some of my
       | own sites too. I think it's now old enough to be cool again...
        
       | zaggynl wrote:
       | Neat, could one combine this with
       | https://download.wsusoffline.net/ ?
       | 
       | Edit: would need to pull from
       | https://archive.org/search.php?query=wsusoffline&sin= I guess
        
       | WhackyIdeas wrote:
       | I am very curious of how long it would take to be 'pwned' whilst
       | browsing the web with internet explorer on XP.
       | 
       | Seconds, minutes, hours?
       | 
       | Time to fire up a VM I think.
        
         | mmcgaha wrote:
         | A long time because the old TLS does not let you connect to
         | modern servers.
        
         | badsectoracula wrote:
         | Most likely never because nothing more advanced than very basic
         | HTML sites work with IE6 nowadays and with JS enabled you are
         | more likely to crash the browser than visit a site.
         | 
         | This includes the vast majority of ads which are the main way
         | to get such malware. Also chances are even if a bad ad (or
         | other vulnerability) hits you, it wont work because it'd be
         | designed for browsers people actually use :-P.
        
         | hulitu wrote:
         | Years ? I don't know if the newest ransomware runs on Win XP.
        
           | danogentili wrote:
           | Actually, it would make perfect sense for malware to rely
           | very heavily on backwards compatibility and old exploits.
        
         | guestbest wrote:
         | I've used windows XP tablet is on a Toshiba with a patched up
         | version of Firefox designed to use TLS 1.3 on the internet
         | without issues for hours. I think most software is so I'm
         | compatible with it that even hacking it is a history lesson.
        
         | userbinator wrote:
         | If you turn off JS and all the other features (ActiveX, etc.)
         | that should've never been allowed on anything other than sites
         | you fully trust, probably a very long time.
         | 
         | I wonder how much malware now just refuses to run on XP because
         | it attempts to use functions that were introduced in later
         | versions.
        
         | causality0 wrote:
         | Depends on your browsing habits. If you're only visiting a
         | handful of trustworthy websites maybe never. If you spend nine
         | hours a day on bootleg hentai streaming sites, maybe very
         | quickly.
        
           | WhackyIdeas wrote:
           | Maybe. See we had a trusted B2B site we use for stock. Then
           | we noticed our bank account being raided. Turns out they had
           | hackers on their system skimming all the card details.
           | 
           | Maybe they were hosting on XP. Didn't ask.
        
           | badsectoracula wrote:
           | Chances are said bootleg hentai streaming sites wont work on
           | IE6 anyway.
        
       | Koshkin wrote:
       | I wish ReactOS were ready by now...
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | I could see staying with Windows 7. That was the best version
       | Microsoft ever made. Microsoft finally figured out how to make it
       | stable, and it didn't have all the ad and cloud crap nailed in.
       | You can run current Firefox, current Thunderbird, and current
       | LibreOffice, which covers the basics. Most Windows software still
       | works.
        
         | Koshkin wrote:
         | > _That was the best version Microsoft ever made_
         | 
         | No. 7 was a rollback on Vista. The best one which was not a
         | step back but rather a step forward was Windows 2000. (Some
         | even swear by NT4, which I feel also has some merit.)
        
           | nix23 wrote:
           | I think WindowsServer2003R2 was the best OS Microsoft ever
           | made, then XP >SP2 and Windows2000, then Win7.
        
             | Koshkin wrote:
             | As to "the best OS Microsoft has ever made," it was OS/2
             | (which they abandoned in favor of the "hugely successful"
             | Windows 3.0 which was clearly inferior on all technical
             | accounts).
        
           | ahartmetz wrote:
           | Yes, 2000 was by far my favorite Windows. Very solid, very
           | clean style. I have a burning hatred for the visual design of
           | Windows 7 (and Vista to a lesser degree) - it may have been
           | technically great, but the design felt appropriate for a
           | toothpaste, not for an operating system. I could only stand
           | XP with the 2000 style as well. What the hell were they
           | thinking?
        
             | rzzzt wrote:
             | The theme in Windows 2000 and its classic counterpart in XP
             | 64-bit used a darker shade of blue for the background,
             | which I always tried to hand-select on the systems that I
             | had (and weren't running these versions).
             | 
             | There was also some tiny difference between the active
             | window colors as well, IIRC.
        
         | kitsunesoba wrote:
         | Windows 7 also had the best customization/theming, followed by
         | XP. Both 7 and XP had some amazing looking community-made
         | .msstyle themes but 7's theme engine allowed for things like
         | full transparency while XP was limited to 1-bit transparency.
         | This was nice in that it offered UI looks that were more modern
         | than the classic theme yet more understated than the gaudy
         | Luna/Aero.
         | 
         | Then Windows 8 came along and decided flat squares were the
         | only option anybody could use, removing theme transparency
         | support altogether.
        
       | synaesthesisx wrote:
       | It amazes me how many machines there are still out there,
       | connected to the internet, running Windows XP (a 21+ year old OS)
        
         | MuffinFlavored wrote:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_version_history
         | 
         | I wonder if there is a sizable position easily identifiable
         | Linux 2.6.x running out there.
        
           | dezgeg wrote:
           | Plenty of routers (especially on Broadcom chipset).
        
           | Lammy wrote:
           | Lots of old Androids
           | https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/51651/which-
           | andr...
        
           | doodlesdev wrote:
           | There probably are a lot of NAS all around the world still
           | running that version, probably somewhat patched with some
           | backporting though.
        
       | slt2021 wrote:
       | For the love of god just get off of thece ancient systems pls, or
       | run the only in airgapped and isolated network segments with
       | application whitelisting and manual data ingress/egress controls,
       | and everything will be fine without these silly updates.
       | 
       | Just bury the body already, let winxp rest in peace, please
        
         | no_identd wrote:
         | Tell that to my desire for a retro gaming experience.
        
         | wnevets wrote:
         | > For the love of god just get off of thece ancient systems
         | pls,
         | 
         | Is anyone actually writing exploits for these ancient systems?
         | I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually safer from non-
         | targeted attacks.
        
           | Koshkin wrote:
           | Why, they all have been written already, long ago.
        
         | throwaway0x7E6 wrote:
         | there are hundreds of multiplayer games that dont work past
         | win7 bro
        
           | hhh wrote:
           | do you have examples?
        
         | userbinator wrote:
         | You're welcome to stay on your leash and do as MS says.
        
           | Klonoar wrote:
           | OP is appealing to modern security needs and general advances
           | in computing. Your comment isn't really necessary or useful.
        
         | causality0 wrote:
         | Give me a new Windows that isn't dripping with contempt for the
         | user.
        
           | cpuguy83 wrote:
           | That's what they said about XP when it came out.
        
             | throwaway0x7E6 wrote:
             | really? who, when?
             | 
             | I have actually lived through that era, and I can't
             | remember there being negative sentiment about XP. I don't
             | know about the dark corners of the internet, but the people
             | in my circles were neutral about XP, hated Vista, loved 7,
             | hated 8, hated 10 and hate 11
             | 
             | to this day, the only criticism of XP I saw is about the
             | UI, which doesn't make sense to me - switching it was a
             | matter of 3 clicks
        
               | bitwize wrote:
               | XP was the first Windows with phone-home DRM.
        
               | mostlysimilar wrote:
               | Better to have at-install license key check than all of
               | the hostile telemetry and ads in Windows 11.
        
               | bitwize wrote:
               | Yeah, but that shit was a big deal back then. We were
               | used to having software work for us and not anyone else,
               | so monetizing your eyeballs or attempting to profile you
               | and enforce copyright through the internet was weird and
               | creepy. People lost their shit when they found out Bonzi
               | Buddy and Comet Cursor had spyware. Today's Bonzi
               | Buddy/Comet Cursor is called... well, Windows 11, and no
               | one seems to care.
        
               | throwaway0x7E6 wrote:
               | guess they were right then that it was a sign of things
               | to come
        
               | Koshkin wrote:
               | > _there being negative sentiment about XP_
               | 
               | I, on the other hand, clearly remember a huge wave of
               | disgust and resentment towards XP right after it came
               | out. Slow and bloated, with hideous, gimmicky visuals, it
               | had been an object of all kinds of ridicule and
               | criticisms by "sophisticated" computer users.
        
               | iso1631 wrote:
               | I think people were happy with NT4, 2000, Windows 95, and
               | possibly Windows 98 as it had a fair number of technical
               | improvements over Vanilla 95 (OSR2 brought in support for
               | >2G drives for example but it wasn't until 98 you could
               | use it properly)
               | 
               | From memory XP was the first "phone home" windows version
               | which required some form of online registration. I
               | stopped using windows at home or admining it around then.
        
               | badsectoracula wrote:
               | Pretty much everyone i remember hated XP's "Fisher Price"
               | look.
               | 
               | Also there was a ton of compatibility issues, at the time
               | Microsoft saw Win98 as the biggest competitor to XP and
               | it wasn't until SP2 that XP was seen as good.
               | 
               | Funny enough, a quick search for "windows xp fisher
               | price" has this Ars Technica article about exactly that
               | topic (people hating Windows XP when it first came out):
               | 
               | https://arstechnica.com/information-
               | technology/2014/04/memor...
        
               | causality0 wrote:
               | As did I. I was excited for everything until 8. I even
               | liked Vista, since I was installing it on a real computer
               | and not a 256MB shitbox. Still miss Vista's ability to
               | dock My Computer as a desktop toolbar.
        
           | danogentili wrote:
           | What about switching to Linux? :)
           | 
           | If you're running legacy OSes, you're most definitely not
           | playing recent games with DRM or doing anything that can't be
           | done on a recent Linux system.
        
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             | archontes wrote:
             | I still believe that linux is unsuitable for the vast
             | majority of people. I virtualize all of my workstations
             | with proxmox, and have the ability to backup and restore
             | snapshots quickly, and without that ability, the number of
             | times a _gui recommended_ kernel update would just kill
             | large portions of my system is too damn high.
             | 
             | Kernel 5.15 still seems to be incompatible with running two
             | monitors on a GTX 1080TI with any of the proprietary nvidia
             | drivers I've tried.
        
               | StillBored wrote:
               | What you give up with linux is the hardware
               | compatibility. The linux bigots would say you get better
               | HW compatibility but that is only true if your HW is old
               | junk the manufacture abandoned years back.
               | 
               | Nvidia tends to be a bit of a no-no when it comes to
               | linux these days because of the wayland fiasco (and
               | others), although it might be getting better with their
               | latest opensource driver efforts. Who knows, but the fact
               | does remain that linux's refusal to have a binary driver
               | ABI fsk's anything that doesn't have an opensource
               | driver, so usually just make sure one exists before even
               | trying the HW.
        
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             | causality0 wrote:
             | Un-fucking Windows 10 is still easier than Linux where the
             | answers to half of my problems are "You fool, if you wanted
             | to use more than two mouse buttons you should have used
             | Slippery Weasel 7. Trash your install and start over with a
             | better distro. By the way Slippery Weasel 7 doesn't support
             | changing your screen brightness."
        
               | djbusby wrote:
               | I have a 12 button gaming mouse working as expected on
               | Gentoo with their binary kernel in XFCE.
               | 
               | It's even easier in any other distro.
        
               | StillBored wrote:
               | I get your point, but its not quite that bad if your
               | careful about your laptop selection (most desktops its
               | not a problem because you just plug in another
               | mouse/whatever when you discover a compatibility issue).
               | And KDE/etc is still wonderfully configurable with the
               | control panel that ships, and there are loads of actual
               | themes that aren't just someone changing a color and
               | background image like windows. And it supports 3 or 4
               | start menu styles out of the box, with just a right click
               | properties selection, or putting the task bar on the side
               | of the window, etc, etc, etc.
               | 
               | So, yah linux is still shit, but at this point it might
               | have finally reached the point where its the least shitty
               | if your careful. Largely because the competitors are
               | doing their darnest to destroy their own offerings while
               | chasing features/etc no one actually wants (ads anyone?).
        
               | wereallterrrist wrote:
               | Damn near pure FUD with any remotely, _remotely_
               | mainstream laptop. The Linux ecosystem is so wildly more
               | consistent and predictable than Win10.
               | 
               | I mean, my laptop doesn't overheat daily in my bag when
               | its booted to Linux, but yeah, Windows is so easy. /s
        
         | Lammy wrote:
         | The site does agree with you in the Disclaimer at the bottom of
         | the page:
         | 
         | "The existence of this site shouldn't be taken as an
         | endorsement to continue using unsupported OSes. You should
         | stick to a supported OS such as Windows 10 or 11 (or, try
         | Linux?!). However, this service exists anyway in recognition
         | that using these OSes is sometimes necessary to run legacy
         | hardware/software, or just interesting to play around with."
         | 
         | Presumably they knew they would get a lot of
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfUEb_neu3U
        
           | i386 wrote:
           | Yeah until some IT moron running a hospital installs this on
           | their aging fleet for budgetary concerns.
        
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