[HN Gopher] Apple changed how reading books works in iOS 16
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       Apple changed how reading books works in iOS 16
        
       Author : ingve
       Score  : 257 points
       Date   : 2022-12-17 17:25 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | wkdneidbwf wrote:
       | reading books on something without an e-ink display is goofy in
       | the first place.
        
         | pasc1878 wrote:
         | No I read on my iPhone which I keep in my pocket - I have that
         | with me and don't need to carry a larger thing in a bag. But I
         | don't use Apple's Books it just feels wrong - I used Stanza and
         | when Amazon broke it I switched to Marvin
         | 
         | I do use ereaders and if I travel for some time I'll use it..
        
         | drclau wrote:
         | I remember the time when it was "reading books on something
         | without paper and ink is goofy in the first place". :)
         | 
         | I gave up on e-ink readers a few years ago and donated a couple
         | of them. I am reading books in eletronic format on iPhones.
         | It's just more practical, I don't need to carry a second and
         | usually larger device with me, and ... I don't need an external
         | light when it's too dark to read. Plus, the newer iPhones with
         | OLED displays are pretty good for reading.
        
           | rootusrootus wrote:
           | Totally agree. The ability to read on my phone has been such
           | a boon. My close up vision has degraded to the point where I
           | need readers for a paperback, but readers make me ill. The
           | OLED screen on the phone means I can read in the dark without
           | lighting up the room, which is handy since I often read in
           | the middle of the night if insomnia wakes me up.
        
         | mrweasel wrote:
         | It's a bold statement, but I agree. Reading is an evening
         | activity for me, that means the phone is put away, computer is
         | in the office, TV is off. There will be no reading on any
         | display that is backlit, that would defeat the purpose for me.
         | 
         | I understand that it's useful to sometimes have access to books
         | on a computer, phone or table, but that's for professional use
         | in my mind, and not a replacement for a physical book in the
         | same sense a device with e-ink displays are.
         | 
         | Even if you read on the iPad, I don't fully understand why
         | you'd want the page animations anyway. Still the complain in
         | the article is weird, just accept it and move on, if you're
         | waiting for Apple to switch back I feel your going to wait a
         | very long time.
        
         | yamtaddle wrote:
         | Disagree _specifically for the case of pre-16 Apple Books_.
         | 
         | The ability to fiddle with page corners, half-flip pages then
         | flip them back, that kind of thing, made it much more like
         | reading a real book, and it was my favorite way to read ebooks,
         | followed at a distance by e-ink readers, and then, very
         | distantly, by every other non-e-ink way to read ebooks that
         | wasn't Apple Books.
         | 
         | Not joking that the page flip animation was _the_ thing that
         | made the Apple version far and away my favorite way to read
         | ebooks. The new animation doesn 't just lose that quality, it's
         | also notably bad even among the all-some-degree-of-bad
         | animations of reader apps in general (not counting pre-16 Apple
         | Books).
        
       | robin_reala wrote:
       | The biggest problem with Apple Books (from a producer point of
       | view) is that they removed the ability to connect dev tools to
       | it. Up until the Catalyst rebuild you could open Safari dev
       | tools, connect it to the Books instance, and use it to inspect
       | CSS, highlight particular elements, and basically do anything you
       | can in a browser.
       | 
       | This might not sound like much, but Books is unfortunately laden
       | with weird bugs that don't exist in normal Safari. They managed
       | to fix the one I reported about srcset not working for images (it
       | just didn't display anything) but flex / grid display with 100vh
       | is completely broken, and there's a bunch more minor things like
       | broken page-break functionality. And the debugging cycle
       | currently is to make changes, repackage the book, reload the book
       | in Books, and hope for the best.
        
       | joeman1000 wrote:
       | I'm normally sentimental about things, but I couldn't care less
       | about this one. They've updated other features in the app (after
       | about ten years...) and this kitschy little bastard had to go. It
       | was cool when I first saw it on my iPhone 4...
        
       | donkeyboy wrote:
       | This was my exact reaction when I upgraded to ios16. I spent 20
       | mins looking how to get the page turn animation back. Sad
        
       | 4qz wrote:
       | This is a good change but it doesn't go far enough. Infinite
       | scroll is obviously the best way to read long form content.
       | Unfortunately, most book sales are by people who like the idea of
       | reading books more than actually reading
        
         | rootusrootus wrote:
         | "Obviously the best way" is probably too strong, though for me
         | I do much prefer scroll mode for reading novels. And I like
         | reading on my phone, because then I can read a few pages
         | anywhere I want.
        
         | zerocrates wrote:
         | You think? I tend to find I get "lost" more easily in a big
         | scrolling document, particularly if I'm coming back to it
         | several times before finishing, as would usually be the case
         | with a book.
         | 
         | In the case of e-ink e-readers you also face the issue that
         | their screen updating tech is really better suited to full page
         | replacements then line- or pixel-level scroll, though of course
         | that doesn't apply to Apple's devices.
        
       | pimlottc wrote:
       | That's... bizarre. They didn't make the animation non-
       | skeuomorphic, they just switched to a different and very weird
       | skeuomorphism that has nothing to do with how actual books work.
       | It's worse than if they had just made it completely flat.
        
         | tempusr wrote:
         | I'm gonna shill for apple and say that this is probably an
         | oversight. Something that has been around for years and
         | everyone expects to work as such that fell out of QA testing.
         | Hopefully they bring it back after realizing their slipup.
         | 
         | That being said, I've used Kindle for years because it's online
         | etc. They have had this same feature for years on their mobile
         | versions so I don't get how this was a killer feature of Books.
        
           | eCa wrote:
           | > fell out of QA testing
           | 
           | That's not really a change you miss if you do any QA of that
           | app at all. And if it _was_ missed that's even worse for
           | Apple than if it was a conscious choice.
        
             | dwighttk wrote:
             | I'm trying to imagine QA testing that doesn't ever actually
             | turn the page
        
           | brundolf wrote:
           | It's very clearly a choice and not a bug
           | 
           | But what I could imagine is that it fell out of _product_
           | oversight and an engineer just came along and said  "well
           | that's a really complicated piece of code, I don't want to
           | maintain that, I'll replace it with something simple", and
           | nobody pushed back because this isn't a high-priority feature
           | any more
        
           | hombre_fatal wrote:
           | My shill for Apple here is that the simple sliding animation
           | is much better. I never liked that book animation. It felt
           | heavy and distracting and out of place like most
           | skeuomorphism.
        
             | CamperBob2 wrote:
             | It wasn't just skeuomorphic, it had a functional component.
             | It helped you keep your place and maintain context as you
             | turned the page, just as you'd do with your finger while
             | reading a real book.
             | 
             | No one has ever designed a physical book that works
             | anything like the new page-turning approach, and you have
             | to believe there's a reason for that.
        
           | yamtaddle wrote:
           | The Apple Books version wasn't _just_ a static animation--you
           | could partially flip the page, flip it back, make just the
           | corner flip up a little then push it back in place, et c.,
           | all with smooth and responsive enough operation that it was
           | close-enough to feeling like a real, physical thing. The
           | "back" of the page, as it flipped, showed the text from the
           | front as if it were showing through thin paper, it wasn't
           | just blank. Lots of apps have page flip animations but most
           | of them are both non-interactive and bad. Apple's was
           | interactive and good. Dunno if Kindle's is as good--I used it
           | long ago and my recollection was a slow, ugly, non-
           | interactive page flip animation, but it may have changed
           | since then.
           | 
           | [EDIT] Two key real-book-reading behaviors this enabled, that
           | a non-interactive page flip animation (which I personally
           | find a ton worse than _no_ animation) does not:
           | 
           | 1) You could "play" with the corner and edge of the page
           | while reading. Great for fidgeters, and analogous to what
           | some of us do when reading real books.
           | 
           | 2) You could _start_ to flip the page as you were nearing the
           | end of the current page.
        
           | dymk wrote:
           | I disagree that something like this could have been an
           | oversight. A designer spent time coming up with the new
           | animation, it was approved by somebody in a project
           | management role, and engineers had to spend time implementing
           | the new feature.
           | 
           | Apple has an intense culture of dogfooding, so it would
           | surprise me very much if someone in a leadership position
           | didn't experience the new page-flipping animation, much less
           | explicitly approve its design.
        
         | zitterbewegung wrote:
         | I wish they would tone down and or remove all skeuomorphic and
         | animations across all of macOS iOS and iPadOS. They are
         | distracting to me and I usually turn them off in the
         | accessibility settings.
        
           | IOT_Apprentice wrote:
           | You can turn most of them off. That said most of us would
           | prefer more skeuomorphic UIs
        
           | gnicholas wrote:
           | I think it makes sense to have the page turn process take a
           | little time and have a little bit of visual transition. Our
           | visual processing system isn't great at knowing whether a new
           | screen of text has been loaded, especially, if we're blinking
           | when it happens. Having a brief animation helps us know that
           | yes, you did just tap the edge of the screen, and accordingly
           | the page has been turned.
        
           | dymk wrote:
           | Sounds like Apple gave you a way to solve your problem.
           | Personally, I like the animations, but I'm glad users have
           | the option to turn them on and off as they wish.
        
         | risyachka wrote:
         | It often seems like the only reason many companies constantly
         | update design is because they have design departments that need
         | to do something.
        
           | bambax wrote:
           | Absolutely. And they could at least leave the previous
           | animation as an option. Why punish loyal users? Maybe it's
           | also just to show who's boss.
        
         | wolpoli wrote:
         | It is trendy right now to add superfluous animation to delight
         | the user. In this case, they decided to slide in the next page
         | at a different rate than the previous page. It is worse than
         | before because we can't really start reading until we fully
         | turn the page.
        
         | ksec wrote:
         | > They didn't make the animation non-skeuomorphic,.......that
         | has nothing to do with how actual books work.
         | 
         | Then it _is_ non-skeuomorphic.
         | 
         | And they have been removing it bit by bit since they kicked out
         | Scott Forstall.
        
           | Apocryphon wrote:
           | One wonders if Forstall would be the Jobs type figure to
           | return to on the back of a white horse aquihire should Apple
           | ever fall into dire straits again.
           | 
           | I don't think he's actually working anywhere that could be
           | bought, though.
        
           | pimlottc wrote:
           | It's not skeuomorphic to books but it does replicate (sort
           | of) what it might look like if a book were printed out a
           | stack on index cards. The shading and the motion is
           | definitely meant to make it feel like a physical object
           | moving.
        
             | masklinn wrote:
             | > it does replicate (sort of) what it might look like if a
             | book were printed out a stack on index cards.
             | 
             | Except with a stack of cards (or pages) the bottom page
             | would not be moving. The visual is more reminiscent of some
             | sort of assembly / processing line.
        
             | itake wrote:
             | Isn't that exactly how most modern websites are designed?
             | Like look at Google's Material design. UIs are basically
             | cards sliding around the screen.
        
         | Bud wrote:
         | Worst of all is how the following page inexplicably has a
         | rather dark gray filter applied to it until it's fully visible.
         | Just awful.
        
           | Tempest1981 wrote:
           | Ah, thanks, I knew something was frustrating me as it
           | appears.
        
       | ClassyJacket wrote:
       | That's so sad. I used to play with that page turning animation
       | back on my iPhone 4 just because it was so cool.
       | 
       | I hate the era we're in now of changing software to be worse just
       | so they can say they changed it.
       | 
       | It's gotten to the point where any announcement of a software
       | update gets an initial reflexive negative reaction from me, as
       | these days they're more often steps backwards than improvements.
        
       | kmfrk wrote:
       | I know no one at Apple uses iTunes on Windows, but surely these
       | people read _books_? And yet the iBooks experience has been a
       | disaster for years with little to no improvement.
        
       | Twisell wrote:
       | I never got accustomed to reading book on my iPhone It never felt
       | quite right despite (or maybe because of) the skeuomorphism
       | attempt.
       | 
       | Am I the only one thinking the new animation actually looks
       | better? The page seem to quickly fade away with less distractions
       | and might enable to focus more on the text flow.
       | 
       | If anything knowing the interface evolved is actually encouraging
       | me to give it another go.
        
         | yamtaddle wrote:
         | The old animation was a must-have for those of us who fiddle
         | with edges of pages when reading physical books. Only method of
         | ebook reading I've seen that satisfied that particular
         | I-suspect-uncommon-but-not-rare book-reading behavior. Not the
         | same as running a finger over the corner of the whole block of
         | pages, but close enough.
        
           | Twisell wrote:
           | However during the transition the text is sometimes
           | obfuscated by a huge white space that doesn't exist on a real
           | book that is indeed recto/verso printed.
           | 
           | It's fun for fidgeting but I personally find it way more
           | visually distracting than the new behavior.
        
       | draw_down wrote:
       | For better or worse, whimsy and playfulness are majorly out in
       | terms of design these days. I thought the page curl was a nicely
       | done bit of frippery in an app that is really a pain to use. for
       | me I'm afraid are many worse things about the app than removing
       | that animation. Search is bad, no way to open more than one book
       | at once, the list goes on.
        
       | hilyen wrote:
       | Rather them work on natural reading of the books with Text To
       | Speech. People with disabilities such as Dyslexia, ADHD, partial
       | or total Blindness have to hobble on with the terrible TTS
       | available. You have to select the text to get it to read, which
       | means you will have to do that each page. A simple play & stop
       | button for "read aloud" would solve this. They love to think
       | about use cases to make things easier for their users, but have
       | they hired disabled people to give comment? This has been a
       | glaring issue to me, and I've told Apple, but nothing ever comes
       | of it. Cool animation though .
        
         | evan_ wrote:
         | I wonder if that's a compromise with the publishing house, who
         | would prefer people buy audiobooks if they want to listen to
         | the book being read.
        
       | teeray wrote:
       | Kindle added this animation style to their app, and I love using
       | the app more because of it. It was one thing I lived about
       | Apple's eBooks that I didn't get on Kindle (but the catalogue and
       | other features made up for it).
        
       | gcanyon wrote:
       | Overall there are many more practical settings that are available
       | in the new UI. I don't remember everything that _wasn 't_ in the
       | previous version, but I don't remember things like line spacing,
       | character spacing, and word spacing. Of course, new features
       | don't _have_ to come at the expense of existing features,
       | especially not when we 're comparing page turn animations to text
       | rendering, but as people say, this could be part of a transition
       | to swift, so it's expected that there would be trade-offs in re-
       | implementing features. I'm thinking more people are positively
       | impacted by things like text rendering than page turning.
        
       | jasamer wrote:
       | The page turn animation was truly excellent. I have seen a few
       | other apps/sites try to copy it, some of them did it pretty well.
       | But one detail I've never seen anyone else do: the text of the
       | curled page is "distorted" in 3D, as one would expect of a real
       | page. The closer the letters are to the part of the page that's
       | orthogonal to the screen, the more the are squished.
       | 
       | It's an effect that's quite complicated to do. You need to put
       | the page on a 3D cone and render that. I have quite a bit of
       | experience with UI kit animations, but I don't know how I would
       | do that one.
        
         | maram wrote:
         | >>The page turn animation was truly excellent.
         | 
         | iPhone iOS design used to be excellent. Since Apple switched to
         | flat design, it was very clear that they were heading toward
         | this path. I wrote about it in 2016: " I predict that the
         | technological disparity will increase dramatically. Most of the
         | efforts that Steve Jobs put to "push the human race forward,"
         | by making tech products easy-to-use to everyone, will be
         | wasted."
         | 
         | https://medium.com/@maram5/could-the-iphone-sales-decline-be...
        
           | lostmsu wrote:
           | At some point page turning as in physical book becomes an
           | anachronism like the floppy disk icon on save buttons. Do you
           | expect your browser to flip pages upon navigation?
        
             | spikeagally wrote:
             | At some point. That point is a long long way away.
        
               | s3p wrote:
               | Difference of opinion. Others may believe that point is
               | today.
        
               | lostmsu wrote:
               | Are you sure? There's an entire generation of people born
               | after 2000 who probably read more electronic books than
               | physical ones.
        
               | spikeagally wrote:
               | I don't have any data to back it up but I doubt that.
               | Schools are still mostly using paper text books. And I
               | reckon school libraries are still the main source of
               | books for kids (who typically don't have money to buy
               | books). Family members who want to buy you a book as a
               | gift, will do that on paper as gifting ebooks is trickier
               | and less personal.
               | 
               | To be honest, I would bet that the if younger
               | demographics are reading less paper books it's because
               | they're reading less generally rather than switching to
               | digital.
        
         | Sunspark wrote:
         | I have one app that does it, it doesn't do the corner curl, but
         | it does do the side curl with the reverse text showing on the
         | other side. It uses OpenGL to do it and that is how you can do
         | it.
        
         | AB1908 wrote:
         | Moon Reader seems to imitate it well enough.
        
         | minusf wrote:
         | maybe i'm just unsophisticated but what exactly is the point of
         | it? all this work for basically nothing. and we wonder why our
         | apps are bloated and need ridiculously overpowered hw.
        
           | Tempest1981 wrote:
           | It brings joy to many users. Not all, granted.
           | 
           | The HW is already needed for games.
        
           | Grustaf wrote:
           | It's probably done on the GPU, requiring almost no power at
           | all. As far as 3d graphics goes, it's very very simple.
        
             | Groxx wrote:
             | Yeah. Essentially no power and essentially no space was
             | spent on that. It's barely more computationally complicated
             | than sliding the page.
             | 
             | There are lots of things to dislike about feature and size
             | bloat, but this is among the worst possible examples.
        
           | ben_w wrote:
           | There is something about reading on a screen which just isn't
           | quite as "good" as reading on paper. I don't know what it is.
           | 
           | Is it the reflectance/emission? Perhaps, Kindles are better
           | than iPads; is it the resolution? Perhaps, retina iPads are
           | better than pre/non-retina tablets; is it the tactile
           | sensation? Perhaps, I find matt paper better than the gloss
           | of many magazines, and the new Paperwhite is half way between
           | on that score.
           | 
           | Perhaps I'm just remembering good times from my childhood,
           | and skeuomorphisms are a way to catch that.
           | 
           | But no, a 3D animation like this is not the reason why apps
           | are bloated. Other similar animations were smooth on a 450
           | MHz G3.
        
             | BuckyBeaver wrote:
             | It's because paper doesn't EMIT light; it only reflects it.
             | This simple fact was ignored for the last 30+ years of OS
             | vendors pushing inverse color schemes on us. I see it as a
             | vestige of the "desktop publishing" fad of the late
             | '80s/early '90s, which sought to make the computer screen
             | an analogy for a piece of paper. Or Apple's attempt to look
             | "different."
             | 
             | Now all of a sudden people finally realized that reading
             | dark text off the surface of a glaring light bulb all day
             | is a shitty way to work, and vendors have backpedaled
             | clumsily to offering a hard-coded "dark mode." But we
             | already had an even-better solution: Windows let users set
             | up their own system-wide color scheme, from Windows 3.1
             | through XP or even Vista. Any properly-constructed
             | application would inherit the system colors for various on-
             | screen elements and guarantee legibility. If you wanted to
             | change the look of all your applications, you had one
             | central place to do it. And if, as a developer, you wanted
             | to guarantee a color scheme, all you had to do was make
             | sure you overrode both foreground and background colors.
             | 
             | But Microsoft actually REMOVED that capability just in time
             | for it to become desirable to more people than ever.
             | Brilliant.
        
             | plonk wrote:
             | Screens aren't precise and aren't natural. If you have good
             | enough vision or a bad enough screen, you see that it's a
             | bunch of squares that try to imitate shapes, and even have
             | spaces between them.
             | 
             | Also, the lighting looks fake. Even on good modern screens,
             | there's a billboard feeling I can't ignore. I think that's
             | your reflectance/emission point; it's not light reflecting
             | on an object like literally everything you look at, it's an
             | object blasting light at you trying to make it look real.
        
             | Aaargh20318 wrote:
             | > There is something about reading on a screen which just
             | isn't quite as "good" as reading on paper. I don't know
             | what it is.
             | 
             | For me it's the exact opposite. I read a _lot_ , mostly on
             | my Kindle Oasis (139 titles this year so far according to
             | Kindle Insights) and on the very rare occasion I read a
             | paper book I'm reminded how annoying reading paper books
             | is.
             | 
             | There are several issues with reading paper books:
             | 
             | First, the physical format, long books are thick and
             | unwieldy. There is no comfortable way to read in bed. You
             | either read laying on your back, holding the book above
             | your face, which is uncomfortable to hold and tires your
             | arms. When laying on your side the fact that books fold in
             | the middle is super annoying, if you open the book at a
             | 90deg angle you can only really read one page and you have
             | to turn yourself after every page. Holding it open fully
             | also isn't comfortable.
             | 
             | Next, there is the light issue. Paper only reflects light,
             | meaning you always need an external light source. It's much
             | easier for me to immerse myself in a story reading in a
             | dark room. Another issue with external light is that you
             | have to orient yourself relative to the light source.
             | Again, when reading in bed this is a problem if your light
             | source is on your nightstand. If you turn to a different
             | side you are lying in your own shadow.
             | 
             | Last, there is the problem of logistics. As I said I go
             | through a lot of books. If I had to buy these physically I
             | would have run out of storage space years ago. Books would
             | be piling up all over my apartment. Getting my hands on
             | them in the first place would also be a problem. I can
             | browse books online and find something I'm in the mood for
             | right now and be reading it in 30 seconds instead if
             | waiting days for delivery. I can binge through a series in
             | days instead of weeks.
             | 
             | No, I really don't want to go back to dead tree books and I
             | can't believe people put up with the inconvenience when
             | there is no longer a need to.
        
           | fnordpiglet wrote:
           | The books underlying required even more work and they're just
           | a bunch of bytes that accomplish nothing. Some of them are
           | even about something made up entirely and serve no purpose.
        
           | drewbeck wrote:
           | Joy and delight are ultimately liabilities, and humans will
           | be better off if we remove the need for them.
        
             | IOT_Apprentice wrote:
             | I assume you are being sarcastic
        
             | Gigachad wrote:
             | HN would have us eat soy paste from a tube because normal
             | food is bloated.
        
               | yborg wrote:
               | Not sure if ironic, but this is literally true. Remember
               | Soylent, the food of the SV ubermensch? Yeah.
        
           | mensetmanusman wrote:
           | Features will be removed until morale improves.
        
           | JustSomeNobody wrote:
           | >all this work for basically nothing. and we wonder why our
           | apps are bloated and need ridiculously overpowered hw.
           | 
           | Attention to detail. Craftsmanship.
           | 
           | Caring...
        
             | neuralRiot wrote:
             | Exactly this. The new animation looks cheap and carelessly
             | made. Attention to detail is what separates excellent from
             | mediocre products.
        
         | meindnoch wrote:
         | >It's an effect that's quite complicated to do. You need to put
         | the page on a 3D cone and render that. I have quite a bit of
         | experience with UI kit animations, but I don't know how I would
         | do that one.
         | 
         | It's not possible with public UIKit / CoreAnimation APIs. Those
         | only support homogenous linear transformations (i.e. 4x4
         | matrix). You may try using the private CAMeshTransform API to
         | achieve such an effect: https://ciechanow.ski/mesh-transforms/
        
         | Grustaf wrote:
         | You can actually do it in UIKit by chopping it up into strips
         | and using affine transforms, I've seen it done. Not that I
         | think this is UIKit, it's probably a very simple OpenGL shader.
        
           | zffr wrote:
           | I doubt it was OpenGL/Metal directly. It is more likely to be
           | something like CAMeshTransform (https://ciechanow.ski/mesh-
           | transforms/)
        
         | asplake wrote:
         | Tip: if you suffer from vertigo, disable the animation
        
         | BuckyBeaver wrote:
         | But did it alternate between the left and right pages? The
         | swipe from left page to right page shouldn't have been a page-
         | turn; it should be a horizontal scroll across the book's
         | binding. The swipe after THAT should be a page-turn.
        
       | ilyt wrote:
       | Seems like designers at Apple need to find excuse for their
       | employment again and started fucking with perfectly functional
       | things...
        
       | meindnoch wrote:
       | I still remember when the Music app had a landscape mode with
       | Cover Flow... :'(
        
       | armatav wrote:
       | Terrible choice by Apple - o m g; you're not kidding on the weird
       | asymptote towards ugly-low-effort-minimal.
        
       | nbzso wrote:
       | I am amazed at the progressive downfall of Apple over UX and UI
       | in their products. Recently, I moved to downgrade my Mac Mini
       | 2018 to Monterey over the horrible performance hit and
       | overheating that I've got with Ventura. I don't understand how is
       | this possible. Don't let me start about red colored "text" over
       | dark background button. Grrrr....
       | 
       | Someone in Apple HQ must find the old HIG and make it mandatory.
        
       | muhehe wrote:
       | > But even if I were to buy a Kobo or Boox or something, that
       | wouldn't help me with the dozens of books I've already purchased
       | on Apple's platform
       | 
       | THIS is the real problem. Books (or music, movie, whatever) tied
       | to one specific platform, without any chance to migrate somewhere
       | else - somewhere where is more comfortable/convenient for you.
        
         | ArjenM wrote:
         | > "One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a
         | pricing issue. It's a service issue,"
         | 
         | Ownership of data should be included in service, but rarely is.
        
         | maronato wrote:
         | You can export a purchased book from Books on your Mac by
         | dragging it out of the app
         | 
         | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7967098
        
           | muhehe wrote:
           | Can you confirm it works? Is from 2017 and afaik content
           | bought through apple store has DRM.
        
             | comex wrote:
             | I just tried dragging a purchased book to Finder, and it
             | only gives me a .webloc pointing to the book's store URL.
             | On the other hand, if I manually locate the book in ~/Libra
             | ry/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBook
             | s/Books, it appears to just be an (unzipped) ePub without
             | any encryption.
        
           | Kye wrote:
           | Doesn't work if you don't have a Mac.
        
             | mwint wrote:
             | Go to an Apple Store and do it, or buy an old MacBook Air /
             | Mac mini for ~nothing off eBay.
        
               | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
               | _[Edited due to misunderstanding. Apologies.]_
               | 
               | Still, signing into public devices with your private
               | credentials and data is a bad idea. What if they kick you
               | out of the store or take away the device your were toying
               | with before you manage to wipe/reset it?
        
               | akerl_ wrote:
               | The person you're replying to is suggesting "go to the
               | apple store and use one of their demo computers to export
               | the book", not "go to the apple store and buy a Mac".
        
               | waboremo wrote:
               | Which is also a very bad idea, never sign into demo
               | devices anywhere.
        
             | verdenti wrote:
        
         | jazzyjackson wrote:
         | private property is deprecated
        
           | JustSomeNobody wrote:
           | Modern day serfs
        
         | bambax wrote:
         | Whenever I buy Kindle books I run them through the DeDRM plugin
         | in Calibre. Most come out DRM free. Those that don't get
         | returned immediately.
         | 
         | Being tied to a specific platform is unacceptable.
        
       | voisin wrote:
       | Getting rid of the ability to export highlights has been insanely
       | frustrating and has meant I can only use this app for reading
       | fiction that I don't generally highlight.
        
         | mercacona wrote:
         | I replaced Books with Yomu to keep my annotations and
         | highlights.
        
       | quitit wrote:
       | With Apple: complain loudly and make a case, there are countless
       | examples of that working, including on massive initiatives.
       | Despite their shortcomings they do indeed read everything sent to
       | /feedback
        
         | dmitriid wrote:
         | Why do you need loud complaints and writing feedback when this
         | doesn't even pass _common sense_? See
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34030839
        
       | comex wrote:
       | Huh. I always _hated_ that page turning animation, because it
       | obscured the content and made it difficult to quickly swipe back
       | and forth.
       | 
       | It was also slow, interrupting my reading flow. When I'm reading
       | something exciting, I always start reading at a fast pace, and
       | the interruption in reading while I turn each page feels like a
       | video constantly stopping to buffer.
       | 
       | Both of these factors apply to physical books to _some_ extent,
       | but much less so - mainly because you can fit much more text on a
       | book page than on a phone screen, and also because you can turn a
       | physical page quite fast.
       | 
       | Slow page turns are also the reason I don't like ePaper readers.
       | In that case it's not an animation slowing things down, but the
       | ePaper refresh time.
       | 
       | Anyway, this is why I used to use the iOS Kindle app instead of
       | Apple Books (nee iBooks) - because the Kindle app uses a simple
       | horizontal sliding animation (similar to Libby in the article)
       | that is faster and doesn't obscure content. However, Apple Books
       | eventually added a mode that removes pages altogether in favor of
       | a continuous vertical scroll, which I now use.
       | 
       | I just briefly tried Apple Books' new page turning animation, and
       | I definitely prefer it, though it's still a bit slow and I still
       | prefer the vertical scroll. Perhaps the change was made with
       | users like me in mind.
       | 
       | Which is not to say I'm happy with the old animation being taken
       | away from users who liked it! I appreciate that my sensitivity to
       | interruptions is idiosyncratic, and the old animation certainly
       | had superior aesthetics. Ideally it would be a setting.
        
       | _aavaa_ wrote:
       | Am I crazy for thinking that the scroll view is significantly
       | better than the paginated view, regardless of the animation used?
        
         | odysseus wrote:
         | Scroll view is way better, it's how you do most of your other
         | reading on the phone.
         | 
         | The old page flip animation was always distracting to me. I
         | haven't used the new one.
        
         | verdenti wrote:
        
         | rootusrootus wrote:
         | I didn't even realize they had a paginated view, I haven't used
         | that (on Apple Books or Kindle either one) in forever. Scroll
         | view is much better.
         | 
         | My only complaint with the iOS 16 version of Books is that it's
         | way, way too easy to double tap a bookmark into existence. I've
         | gotten good at ignoring it. Kinda like it's too easy to create
         | a section of highlighted text on the Kindle app. Both of these
         | are probably just a case of 'holding it wrong' but whatever.
        
         | Tempest1981 wrote:
         | Depends on the device... phone vs tablet.
        
         | n42 wrote:
         | I find I switch depending on the type of book. Technical books
         | I prefer scrolling and fiction I prefer page flip
        
         | filoeleven wrote:
         | I was surprised to see how many people are using the paged view
         | too! Scrolling with dark mode is the only way I read ebooks.
         | Works well in any indoor lighting, and it's great for reading
         | in bed too.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | > and I may never be happy again
       | 
       | This is what a monoculture gets us. We need more competition, and
       | hardware to be open so we can get even more competition (also
       | free competition).
        
       | 33955985 wrote:
       | I suspect we'll see a return of the page turn animation before
       | the next full release. It doesn't make sense for them to leave
       | such a basic feature behind, especially since iBooks is a front
       | end to a revenue stream.
        
         | dmitriid wrote:
         | > It doesn't make sense for them to leave such a basic feature
         | behind, especially since iBooks is a front end to a revenue
         | stream.
         | 
         | The basic features they butchered/implemented for the "front
         | end to revenue stream":
         | 
         | - jarring animation that cannot be turned off
         | 
         | - scrolling is now relegated to a weird small control in
         | settings that has no relation to the actual book you're reading
         | 
         | - "lock orientation" locks orientation in portrait mode
         | 
         | - accessing table of contents is now three taps
         | 
         | - accessing font settings is now three taps
         | 
         | - table of contents + scrolling + searchig + themes + scroll
         | lock + bookmarks ... all of that is accessed through a tiny
         | gray icon that is nearly indistinguishable from surrounding
         | text. Also, this icon is unique, and has never been used
         | anywhere in iOS or MacOS
         | 
         | - closing a book is now a tiny gray x that is almost
         | indistinguishable from the text
         | 
         | All this passed design -> design approval -> engineering
         | managers -> programmers -> qa -> launch check lists.
         | 
         | By the way, when it launched in iOS 16, the close icon and the
         | "kitchen sink" icon would always pe present, they only fixed it
         | a month or two later.
         | 
         | Yup. This is the state of a "frontend to the revenue stream".
         | Done and approved by people who have never read a single book
         | on iOS (and MacOS where it was also butchered), or perhaps have
         | never read a single book in their life, period.
         | 
         | Edit: their animation is also "least effort" attempt: they hide
         | page numbers when animation, then it takes up to two seconds
         | for them to reappear.
        
           | macintux wrote:
           | I use Books on my iPad Pro extensively, and I can't believe
           | how miserable the experience is with the new release. Such a
           | disappointment.
        
             | 33955985 wrote:
             | I held off updating to 16.0 because of it, sucks because I
             | wanted some other features but I'll wait.
        
       | goosedragons wrote:
       | It was kinda fun in 2010 for a few minutes I guess. But it
       | certainly isn't something worth chaining your book purchases to
       | Apple products for. If you REALLY want this though at least Moon+
       | Reader on Android has it, both one mimicking Google's and
       | Apple's!
        
       | ricardobeat wrote:
       | Holy. The way the title remains "suspended" over the animation is
       | horrendous. How does something like this come out of Apple's
       | design team?
        
         | Grustaf wrote:
         | I like it. Not only do I think it looks pretty nice, it makes
         | sense visually since it would be weird to scroll away the book
         | title only to scroll it back in for the next page.
        
         | adrianmonk wrote:
         | It feels like I was looking at a pile of cards, and then
         | magical scissors cut a window out of the top one just before it
         | moves.
         | 
         | But then the window doesn't move with the card that it was cut
         | from, so I realize I was mistaken. There is no window or
         | magical scissors. Instead, I have momentarily acquired x-ray
         | vision but it only works on part of the card.
        
         | xattt wrote:
         | "Customer research shows that digital natives have low
         | attention spans, so we introduced a persistent reminder of the
         | title of the book they are reading in between page slides."
         | 
         | - Internal Apple design presentation
         | 
         | /s
        
           | yamtaddle wrote:
           | I will say, I'll read entire ebooks and by the end still have
           | trouble recalling the title and author. Never a problem I've
           | had with physical books.
        
             | elliekelly wrote:
             | This happens to me, too! If I read a physical book I can
             | easily recall the author and the title months and even
             | years later. But when I read digital books I often struggle
             | to remember a book's name and have to look it up if I want
             | to recommend it to someone.
        
               | yamtaddle wrote:
               | My guess is it's mostly because the physical book's
               | cover's always visible in your environment, even when
               | you're not reading, so you see the title and author's
               | name a lot more. Some e-readers put the cover on when in
               | sleep mode, but that's small, black-n-white, only on one
               | side (no spine) so it's easily covered up, et c.
               | 
               | Books also often put some or all of that info at the top
               | of every page or every other page, while many reader apps
               | hide it most of the time, I suppose to save space for
               | body text.
        
               | rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote:
               | OneAd free Kindles (can) display the cover of the book
               | you're currently reading during idle mode. I love it
               | because I used to leave a book on a coffee table or my
               | desk as a kind of physical invitation to read (instead of
               | watching TV or playing video games or derping on my
               | phone).
               | 
               | Such a tiny feature, but since I've turned it on it has
               | nudged me to read hours more each week.
        
           | daniel_reetz wrote:
           | It feels like this was a change made by people who simply
           | don't read books.
           | 
           | Apple doesn't even allow this kind of transition in their own
           | slide decks, at least they didn't when I worked there.
        
         | samirsd wrote:
         | also annoying how when you "sample" a book the title of the
         | book is displayed over every single page. certainly makes me
         | want to buy it just to get rid of that annoying view... the
         | update just sucks.
        
       | dmd wrote:
       | FYI, the animation can be turned off with the global "Reduce
       | Motion" setting, which really makes iOS much more livable in
       | general.
        
       | gnicholas wrote:
       | > _But it genuinely was a feature that made me choose to buy
       | e-books on Apple's platform instead of anyone else's -- and given
       | how same-y most book stores and reading apps are in the broad
       | strokes, it really is the details that get you locked into an
       | ecosystem._
       | 
       | Although I've used Macs for decades and iPhones since day one, I
       | typically purchase ebooks on third-party platforms. If I buy an
       | Android tablet, a non-Apple computer, or some other device that
       | hasn't been invented yet, I don't want to be locked out of my
       | prior purchases.
        
       | passwordoops wrote:
       | _Old man shakes fist at cloud rant_
       | 
       | Lord I wish we could go back to the days of pay a flat one time
       | fee and own the dang software so I don't get "improvements"
       | shoved down my throat
       | 
       |  _Old man rant over_
        
         | vbezhenar wrote:
         | You can stay on iOS 15. Nobody shoves iOS 16 down your throat.
         | Apple even backports fixes for most dangerous vulnerabilities
         | for quite some time.
         | 
         | What you can't do is downgrade once you've found that you're
         | not happy with upgrade. That's the most bizarre Apple thing.
         | Unless you can jailbreak. Not sure if it works nowadays, back
         | in days I was very happy to downgrade to iOS 6 with jailbreak
         | on my iPhone 4S.
        
           | dataflow wrote:
           | How long do you think people will be able to stay on old
           | versions of software like iOS 15? 5 years? 10 years? 30
           | years? Their lifetime?
        
             | fsflover wrote:
             | This is exactly why I avoid iPhones and prefer to support
             | GNU/Linux on the phones. Such phones will have a lifetime
             | support without anti-features.
        
           | egb wrote:
           | No, they forced iOS16 by only backporting security fixes for
           | devices that can't run iOS16
           | 
           | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/apple-releases-
           | ios-1...
        
             | yftsui wrote:
             | No, i think they are just messing up the devices force
             | using iOS16 they think they can get away with. iPad Pro
             | (2021) get iOS 15.7.2 update.
        
           | passwordoops wrote:
           | I get what you're saying about staying on an old version,
           | but, and we can split hairs here, preventing downgrade is in
           | effect a forced upgrade.
           | 
           | Ideally, there should be a system where security patches are
           | installed, but anythingv what is optional and reversible
        
         | ThatMedicIsASpy wrote:
         | I wish there is the option of customization. This should be an
         | option in the settings of the app nothing more.
        
           | passwordoops wrote:
           | Not sure exactly what you mean, but I assume customization in
           | this context is the choice to pick what updates are
           | implemented in your session/device.
           | 
           | I like it in theory but supporting it can be unwieldy,
           | especially for design-led orgs that like to tinker and
           | introduce changes a lot (not dissing, just not my
           | preference). Like how many versions and combinations do you
           | support? I've worked in an app company once, and supporting
           | web, iOS, and Android was somewhat annoying enough. Can't
           | imagine adding in support for old versions.
           | 
           | OTOH it could force more deliberation and discipline on the
           | part of product teams before going all-in on whatever shiny
           | new object caught their eye this month
        
       | null_object wrote:
       | Aw come on. I get the HN thirst to knock Apple about absolutely
       | everything, but the page turn animation is utter bullshit.
       | 
       | When I'm reading a _real_ book I don't see some absurd 'scrolling
       | over page turn' - I just turn the page. It's over in the blink of
       | an eye, and isn't some "joyful" imaginative experience, at all.
        
         | waboremo wrote:
         | Vast majority of animations are done in the blink of an eye.
         | When done well, you barely notice them, it just feels good.
         | When done poorly (most new page turning animations), it becomes
         | noticeably odd and that's one of the worst qualities for an
         | animation to have.
        
         | fearthetelomere wrote:
         | It may seem trivial, but I assure you it's valid criticism.
         | FWIW, I've stopped using the Books app on my Ipad in favor of
         | emailing my ebooks to my Kindle account and reading it through
         | the Kindle app.
         | 
         | Why couldn't they have an option to keep the old animation? In
         | 2022, it should be that simple, but of course...
         | 
         | It's not that I loved the old animation, but rather that I
         | can't stand the current one. It's like I'm rotating a deck of
         | cards, taking one off the top of the pile and putting it
         | underneath. Not very pleasant to me, and also not an animation
         | style I've seen used in any other book apps to my knowledge. I
         | wonder why that is?
        
         | masklinn wrote:
         | Nope, sorry, you're wrong. The page turning animation was
         | _delightful_.
         | 
         | If you didn't care for it, you could ignore it, it was _fast_.
         | But it showed that the designers of iBooks had cared about it
         | being an experience of _reading books_.
         | 
         | The new animation is just... weird. It's not an actual thing
         | and makes no sense. It doesn't even look like you're yeeting
         | the top page out of the pile since the bottom one moves.
        
         | wiseowise wrote:
         | > I get the HN thirst to knock Apple about absolutely
         | everything, but the page turn animation is utter bullshit.
         | 
         | No, it's not.
        
         | aeturnum wrote:
         | Like you, I could not care less about the page turning
         | animation. As long as I see the next page it's fine with me.
         | 
         | The thing that prompts me to comment is that this feels like
         | yet another place where the "artfulness" of software is getting
         | optimized out of things. Whatever any of us thinks of the
         | animation, it was clearly the result of clever work by the team
         | putting out the app. The two ways of turning the page give a
         | different feel and have a different character.
         | 
         | I think how apps feel - and the engineering behind making them
         | feel a certain way - often does not get its due. I think we, as
         | an industry, should do more to celebrate people doing things
         | "the hard way" because it's nice - and not dismiss it as
         | "absurd."
        
       | rpastuszak wrote:
       | Ha, selling this animation (implemented using ActionScript) more
       | than once covered my rent during uni:)
        
       | xenonite wrote:
       | So why is the page flipping animation missing in iOS16?
       | 
       | My blind guess: due to the rewrite of the iBooks app in Swift,
       | they did not find a swift way to take over the performance
       | critical code in Objective C for the page flipping animation.
        
         | zffr wrote:
         | My blind guess: The code for the page flip animation was
         | old/complicated, and the engineer who wrote the code left the
         | team. No one else felt comfortable maintaining the code, and
         | Design saw this as an opportunity to simplify the UI.
        
         | cellularmitosis wrote:
         | You may already be aware of this, but it is very easy to mix
         | Swift and ObjC in the same codebase. There's nothing technical
         | stopping them from plucking the ObjC page-turning transition
         | into the Swift app.
        
           | admax88qqq wrote:
           | Swift and Objc? Sure. Swiftui and uikit? Not as easy.
           | 
           | Is it technically possible? Yes. is it easy? Maybe not.
        
             | myko wrote:
             | > Swiftui and uikit?
             | 
             | It's pretty easy and basically required to do anything
             | useful if you need to support iOS 14, or god forbid, iOS 13
        
             | Grustaf wrote:
             | On the contrary it's very, very easy, in both directions.
             | They made integration very simple and powerful
        
             | sebastien_b wrote:
             | Which seems to imply that Apple, which counts 1000+
             | engineers[1], and spent $5B+ on a "spaceship" campus[2], is
             | just "lazy".
             | 
             | 1 https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/06/apple-reveals-
             | lineup-...
             | 
             | 2 https://www.weetas.com/article/apple-spaceship/
        
               | yamtaddle wrote:
               | I don't think it's what happened in this case, but
               | extremely lazy crap makes it all the way to public
               | releases for _all_ the tech giants. Engineer count and
               | cash-on-hand don 't seem to have much to do with it.
        
               | rrdharan wrote:
               | I know this is in favor of your point but just wanted to
               | note that Apple has way more than 1000 engineers, I think
               | closer to 20,000...
        
               | akira2501 wrote:
               | If you have a monopoly over a platform, what is there to
               | keep you from being lazy? Plenty of rich lazy fools spend
               | lavishly, it wouldn't be an original story.
        
               | skybrian wrote:
               | The size of a team working on one product at a large
               | company has nothing to do with the size of the company or
               | its real estate budget.
               | 
               | Sure, they could put more people on any particular
               | project, if they thought it was important. But that's not
               | necessarily going to make a UI decision any better.
               | 
               | Nobody outside Apple is likely to know how these
               | decisions were made. We just see the results.
        
               | csande17 wrote:
               | Whether it was the choice of an individual engineer or
               | designer, or the choice of a high-level executive to not
               | put anyone who cared about design on the Books team, the
               | fact remains that Apple chose not to keep this animation.
               | 
               | You can blame companies for making bad decisions -- you
               | can even describe them as "lazy" -- even if you don't
               | know the exact details of the process the company uses to
               | make bad decisions.
        
         | TheTon wrote:
         | I really doubt the issue is technical. The page curl rendering
         | itself was implemented in Core Animation. The application side
         | just set the parameters for the position of the curl. It worked
         | well even on the original iPad.
         | 
         | I have no inside knowledge but I would be shocked if it was
         | anything other than an aesthetic choice to eliminate the page
         | curl.
        
           | newaccount74 wrote:
           | Maybe that was how Apple operated under Steve Jobs
           | (developers would work days and nights to make Steve Jobs
           | vision work despite technical challenges) but unfortunately
           | it does not seem to be how Apple operates anymore.
           | 
           | The redesign of System Preferences / Settings in macOS 13
           | shows that they do not care about any details any more at
           | all. It looks like some manager said: "Make it look like on
           | iPad", and some overworked dev changed the UI in the way that
           | was the least amount of effort, and they shipped it without
           | checking if the result is usable at all.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | Apocryphon wrote:
             | The redesign is due to rewriting System Preferences in
             | SwiftUI.
        
               | newaccount74 wrote:
               | I wonder if the usability issues are a result of using
               | Swift UI (because it's just too hard to make good UIs in
               | SwiftUI) or because they just don't care about usability
               | any more.
        
               | Apocryphon wrote:
               | I think, as with the questionable quality of the
               | Catalyst-created macOS apps that preceded the new System
               | Preferences, it was a desire to show off a new framework
               | while it is still in a semi-beta unfinished state, let
               | alone before the best practices for these new
               | technologies have been devised yet.
        
             | 9dev wrote:
             | Right?? It's absurd how I sometimes wait three seconds for
             | it to switch the pane content after clicking another
             | settings category, downright infuriating.
        
         | Grustaf wrote:
         | 1. Swift is not slower than objective-c 2. They could keep this
         | in Objective-C if they wanted to 3. It's most likely done on
         | the GPU anyway
        
         | dymk wrote:
         | There is no way that the change was due to performance. The old
         | page flipping animation was delightful, but in no way
         | computationally significant on iPhones even 5 years ago.
        
           | justsomehnguy wrote:
           | It was 'computationally significant' on Am486DX4/100 with
           | that DHTML (Java applet actually).
           | 
           | Every browser nowadays can imitate page flip with CSS only.
        
         | nicoburns wrote:
         | Yeah, it may well be they're using SwiftUI, which doesn't give
         | them that control at all.
        
         | pixel_tracing wrote:
         | Not really you can port or bridge that code over.
        
       | hitgeek wrote:
       | the page turn animation was probably the main reason i bought the
       | original ipad. it was just so delightful. like some others, i
       | miss the skeuomorphism of the original ios.
        
       | ncann wrote:
       | Some comparisons with other apps:
       | 
       | - Google Play Books: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOJ15ysPsRo
       | 
       | - eReader Prestigio: https://youtu.be/YdNCElSHJbE?t=79
        
       | the-printer wrote:
       | As a vertical scroller I am indifferent to this decision. What
       | matters to be is what Yomu and GoodLinks offer: changing the line
       | height and exporting highlights.
       | 
       | The default leading in Apple Books is decent, but I switch fonts
       | at a whim and many require adjustments. And nothing is more
       | irritating than copying an excerpt from a book and having to
       | remove the extra text about the title of the book, the book's
       | author and the copyright information.
       | 
       | Plus the way Yomu exports highlights is really interesting.
        
       | Archipelagia wrote:
       | > E-reader fans might say that I should be doing my reading on a
       | dedicated device that's not as subject to ever-changing software
       | 
       | Oh boy, if you think dedicated devices don't have the same
       | problem of frustrating updates, then I got some bad news for you.
       | I still remember how annoyed I was when Kindle update added
       | recommendations (=ads) on my home menu.
        
         | kace91 wrote:
         | Does that also show up in the ads free version? I'm looking at
         | getting a kindle and that might be a deal breaker to me, I'll
         | have to look at alternatives
        
           | mrweasel wrote:
           | This might be a result of my Kindle being old, it's the 2012
           | model. It doesn't have ads.
           | 
           | I am concerned that it might break, because none of the newer
           | Kindle work like the old one. It has button, a non-touch
           | display and isn't backlit, all things I consider must have
           | feature, or non-features. Personally I don't understand why
           | they didn't just stop development at that point and just
           | lowered prices as the components became less and less
           | expensive.
        
             | 43920 wrote:
             | Not defending the first two (physical page turn buttons are
             | great!) but on my 2018 paperwhite, the backlight will turn
             | off entirely at the lowest brightness setting.
        
             | WalterBright wrote:
             | Sounds like the Kindle Keyboard. I bought an extra one just
             | because the Kindles all went downhill after that one.
        
           | urtrs wrote:
           | Yes. The home menu is filled with "recommendations". Most
           | read, trending, new releases...
        
             | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
             | I just stopped connecting the Kindles and Kobos to WiFi
        
         | fsflover wrote:
         | Consider PineTab, which runs free software.
        
       | rchaud wrote:
       | TLDR: new iOS Books app removes the "page turn" animation from
       | older generations. It is now a simple "slide" transition.
        
         | pimlottc wrote:
         | It's not a simple slide transition, it is some sort of odd
         | slide-out-and-reveal-slide-in-underneath animation that has no
         | analogue to any existing reading experience. A plain sliding
         | transition (like reading a physical scroll) would be an
         | improvement over what they did.
        
       | vr46 wrote:
       | Apple devices are nowhere near as playful and fun as they used to
       | be. Source, just had to drag out and tidy my accidental
       | collection of Macs and iPhones including my Mac classic and
       | Powerbook 180 from the 1990s, a Titanium G4, a Powermac 8100, and
       | there's definitely real fun, not just nostalgia, missing from the
       | modern era.
        
         | crazygringo wrote:
         | True, but honestly I don't really miss it either. Yes,
         | interfaces used to be whiz-bang, lickable-glossy, mega-3D,
         | skeumorphism etc. But after the initial "wow" wears off, it's
         | all just kind of... _busy_ and distracting.
         | 
         | It took me a while to warm up to "flat design", but now I can't
         | ever see myself (or the industry) going back. By allowing the
         | interface to recede, you allow the content to shine. Generally
         | you want to focus on the document, the photo, the text, the
         | movie -- not the controls around it.
        
           | vbezhenar wrote:
           | That's not how human works. We love non-functional things
           | around us. I doubt that you live in a white cube.
           | 
           | Our minds are pretty good at focusing on important stuff. We
           | don't need white margins for that. We can focus on important
           | stuff even with non-white margins. And those non-white
           | margins might actually bring some joy when you can't focus
           | anymore, because brain focus is finite.
           | 
           | There's no way for industry not going back. It'll go back. It
           | always did. We move in spiral. We just need to completely
           | forget how good skeuomorphic interfaces were, so companies
           | will sell those again. Probably executed much better.
        
             | surfpel wrote:
             | > That's not how human works.
             | 
             | Then I must be GPT model because those non-functional
             | things are way too distracting.
             | 
             | Jokes aside, I hated the page animation. It was amusing for
             | the first minute but it felt weird to interact with it.
             | Sticky is the only word that comes to mind, but not quite
             | that. Glad it's gone.
        
           | a4isms wrote:
           | I have mixed feelings about this, I definitely miss some of
           | the playfulness of years long gone.
           | 
           | But a simile comes to mind: The whizz-bang interfaces were
           | like illuminated manuscripts. Beautiful. Works of art.
           | Literal human artistic treasures.
           | 
           | But when I'm reading an email, I do not need dragons curled
           | around drop caps.
        
             | JasonFruit wrote:
             | I would pay for that feature. With AI scanning the
             | paragraph text, we might even be able to get relevant
             | illumination images generated on the fly. I want this now,
             | whereas five minutes ago I had never thought of it.
        
             | thrill wrote:
             | "But when I'm reading an email, I do not need dragons
             | curled around drop caps."
             | 
             | I might actually bother to read such an email.
        
               | a4isms wrote:
               | Now all we need is a Markdown dialect supporting
               | illumination.
        
           | vr46 wrote:
           | This supposed argument of letting the "content" shine makes
           | no real sense, because crappy design doesn't become magically
           | less crappy because it suddenly looks simpler and flatter.
           | 
           | Design is about solving human problems and helping humans
           | accomplish things, not about how it looks.
        
         | quitit wrote:
         | iOS 6 on iPad is charming to use. I get that people were tired
         | of skeuomorphism and the bright candy colours sell, but I think
         | the muted colours and texture helped with long term use -
         | making it functionally better.
        
       | indiantinker wrote:
       | Apple is literally breaking all the things that work in the name
       | of innovation and upgrade :(
        
       | jlarocco wrote:
       | I'm not an Apple books user, but I find almost every skeuomorphic
       | animation annoying and useless. Does the app have a way to turn
       | those off?
       | 
       | I strongly prefer the continuous scrolling mode from the Kindle.
       | 
       | On further thought, any kind of UI animation bothers me. I don't
       | need the computer to waste my time, I just want it to do what I
       | told it.
        
       | samirsd wrote:
       | Yea I felt the same way and cried internally for a bit and then
       | forgot about it. I appreciate someone writing about it. I really
       | hope they bring it back. I don't think the redesign really
       | brought about any improvements... just change for the sake of
       | change.
        
       | marstall wrote:
       | yeah. this was disappointing. I hope to get used to it, but for
       | the moment it really detracts from my very enjoyable little
       | stolen dad moments here and there reading Ian McKuen on my phone
       | at a bar. feels like I'm reading a xeroxed copy of a book.
        
       | mcculley wrote:
       | What annoys me is that there is more lag in the app. When opening
       | the app just to get in some reading when I have some free time,
       | there is a 1-2 second lag just to open a book that I have been
       | reading. I am on an iPhone 11 Pro. Opening a book should be
       | instantaneous. But it gets slower with each update.
        
         | MutableLambda wrote:
         | I agree. One of the reasons I chose iOS over Android around
         | 2012 was because it worked really smooth, no stutters,
         | everything is responsive. They are gradually removing it since
         | iOS 7, the contact list was the first victim (you click on it,
         | it displays, half a second after it updates, but you could have
         | clicked a contact already and now you're calling the wrong
         | person).
        
         | WalterBright wrote:
         | One reason I still use my old DOS editor (recompiled for modern
         | machines) is it loads instantly. And I mean instantly.
        
         | mensetmanusman wrote:
         | I still laugh when I use my toddlers iPad 1 which is now over a
         | decade old.
         | 
         | That iPad has a more responsive keyboard than my iPad Pro.
        
       | aSithLord wrote:
       | As good as apple hardware devs are its software devs are the same
       | in the other direction.
        
       | viburnum wrote:
       | I can't figure out how to get the controls to recede so that the
       | app only shows the book text.
        
         | drclau wrote:
         | Tap on the screen, somewhere close to the vertical center line
         | to avoid triggering a page change.
        
       | BadThink6655321 wrote:
       | They also "broke" the ability to set/remove a bookmark by double-
       | tapping the page. The more Books degrades to become like Kindle,
       | the less incentive I have to buy books from the Apple store.
        
         | xemoka wrote:
         | That's weird, I have the exact opposite issue, I'm constantly
         | triggering the bookmark via double-tap where in iOS 15 it was
         | never an issue.
        
           | rootusrootus wrote:
           | Agreed, this is my problem too. By the time I'm finished with
           | a novel I have hundreds of pointless bookmarks.
        
       | igammarays wrote:
       | Huh, good to know I wasn't the only one that really enjoyed that
       | animation. It made Apple Books so much more pleasant compare to
       | any other ereader.
        
       | theferalrobot wrote:
       | Weird, I am on iOS 16 on both my iphone and ipad and i still have
       | the swipe animation for books. Apple doesn't really do much A/B
       | testing so this really kinda surprises me.
       | 
       | Edit: Think I figured it out - looks like PDFs still have the
       | page turn animation on iOS but epubs are using the new animation
        
       | sieabahlpark wrote:
        
       | rickreynoldssf wrote:
       | Didn't the person who thought that was a good idea have something
       | better to do? Is it time for a good old fashion layoff in Apple's
       | design team?
        
       | g42gregory wrote:
       | I highly recommend not to tie your personal happiness to a
       | particular UI/UX choice, in a single App, from a technology
       | provider who does not know you and does not care about you as a
       | person, on a device that you probably shouldn't spend much time
       | on anyway. Instead, I think it's more productive to diligently
       | look for alternatives.
        
         | markeibes wrote:
         | How are you supposed to actively tie your happiness to
         | something?
        
       | c-fe wrote:
       | In general I feel the books app got so much worse with the iOS 16
       | update that it is partly responsible for me selling my iPad to
       | get a dedicated e-reader
        
         | yftsui wrote:
         | honestly, i don't think books app get better since iOS 12, it
         | is always getting worse. Either starting in iOS14 or 15, if you
         | have multiple devices and all use sort by most recent read, one
         | or few device will lost that order once in a while and sort the
         | library with a bizarre order and lots of old books with wrong
         | reading progress.
        
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