[HN Gopher] Everything as a service - The age where everything h...
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Everything as a service - The age where everything has become a
transaction
Author : raptisj
Score : 35 points
Date : 2022-12-18 16:10 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| SQueeeeeL wrote:
| It's always so strange to see one of these articles that
| endlessly seeks to philosophize modern political/economic
| circumstances but never directly reference labor theory/the
| alienation of man from his labor. I wonder if people are simply
| unaware of the large existing body of work on these issues or are
| just trying to use "politically neutral" language to describe the
| explicitly radical study on our existing structures of power and
| how individuals spend their time
| phernandez wrote:
| > reference labor theory/the alienation of man from his labor.
| I wonder if people are simply unaware of the large existing
| body of work on these issues
|
| I've been interested in reading more about this. Do you have
| any pointers to good info?
| nohope wrote:
| Marx's theory of alienation:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation
| [deleted]
| vorpalhex wrote:
| Labor theory is an insufficient and poorly evidenced claim that
| does not align with reality.
| ohCh6zos wrote:
| They could also be aware of it and reject the theory.
| seneca wrote:
| I don't think it's strange at all. After the fall of the USSR
| and the revelations of its horrors all but the most radical in
| the west came to consider Marxism as a dead letter philosophy.
|
| One ought to believe what they believe to be right, even if it
| is radical, but you shouldn't be shocked when others don't join
| in your radicalism with you.
| [deleted]
| rocket_surgeron wrote:
| The author is remembering a past that never existed.
|
| And one of the examples he used to illustrate his point is a
| university project done by a student, photoshopped (poorly) to
| appear real-- not an actual in-the-wild ad campaign.
|
| >NIKE FREE ad campaign for my Intro to Campaigns class.
| Photography by William Eason
|
| https://www.behance.net/gallery/16285493/NIKE-FREE-Ad-Campai...
| tyler-groves wrote:
| Agreed, this is an extremely simplistic view and write up. No
| references to any grounding theory or heuristics, wide use of
| hyperbole, and now this photo... good grief.
|
| I'm not sure why this was posted to HN.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| Michael Sandel's _The Moral Limits of Markets_ is an good and
| very accessible book on this topic of civic virtues being turned
| into transactions.
|
| There's a case study in the book of economists asking Swiss
| citizens about their opinion on having a nuclear waste storage
| facility near their community. When people in the community were
| asked if they were okay with this, a small majority agreed. A
| common argument was that there may be risk, but if it has to go
| somewhere it may as well be here, out of a sense of civic duty.
|
| The Economists then added an incentive and asked others the same
| question, but added that there may be an annual payment involved
| for the risk. The support dropped to something like 25%, people
| starting to give answers like "I'm not going to sell out my kid's
| health for money".
|
| The naive view is that turning something transactional cannot be
| worse, after all people can have civity duty _and_ money. But of
| course it doesn 't work like that. The transaction changes the
| entire nature of a process, turning activities that were about
| civic virtue into transactions about profit, degrading the entire
| thing.
|
| Lots of other good examples in the book. Children being paid to
| read books switching from what they liked to what was shortest,
| paid volunteers actually being less effective than unpaid ones,
| and so on.
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