[HN Gopher] Spotifyd ___________________________________________________________________ Spotifyd Author : fahrradflucht Score : 260 points Date : 2022-12-19 18:56 UTC (4 hours ago) (HTM) web link (github.com) (TXT) w3m dump (github.com) | jamespullar wrote: | Original discussion: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16603886 | jonas-w wrote: | What i find the most interesting is the zeroconf option [0]. | | For example you can set up your spotifyd daemon on a raspberry | and have it always connected to speakers. | | Now when someone is in your local network they can choose your | spotifyd daemon and play spotify over the speakers without | connecting to the speakers directly via bluetooth etc. | | [0] https://spotifyd.github.io/spotifyd/config/File.html (after | the configuration file example) | jegp wrote: | Exactly. And it gets even better if you pair it with a personal | voice assistant, like mycroft.ai | | "Hey Mycroft, play songs about better software integrations" | kristo wrote: | I have this. It's great except it randomly fails and | disconnects or refuses to play. Have tried many updates for | multiple years and always the same. I resorted to airplay. | Spotify doesn't want to integrate with others and so the | reverse engineered api doesn't work great | bentt wrote: | I thought this died with Spotify's nerfing/killing of API access. | I had a project going with Mopidy which relied on it that I just | dusted off the other night after a year and it wouldn't | authenticate. Kept saying "requires Premium account" despite my | account being Premium. | dropofwill wrote: | This uses librespot, not the original library that Spotify | published and recently killed. Mopidy is also moving to | librespot, but it's complicated with their gstreamer | architecture (though I believe its mostly functional at this | point). | slenk wrote: | Can't wait for mopidy to switch over - I have "Pirate Audio" | PI hats that work are based around mopidy and I am not clever | enough to figure out how to use the LCD screen with others. | MrGilbert wrote: | I'm kind of amazed that this is still working. I would have | thought that Spotify is rather strict with their eco system. | | I was always interested in their techstack, and how everything | works on their end, but unfortunately I'm not into Java, which is | the reason I never applied for a job there. | svnpenn wrote: | > I'm kind of amazed that this is still working. | | this is why: | | > Spotifyd requires a Spotify Premium account | | which is actually not true. you can change some code in the | source, to allow playback on free accounts. Spotify hunts down | anyone who posts code like that though | encryptluks2 wrote: | I had no idea that was possible. Will be Googling for this | later today. Thanks Google! | disintegore wrote: | Isn't there a better way to do this? Rate limiting, splicing | ads into the audio signal for non-paying users, providing a | stable API for paying users only, etc. Beats siccing your | lawyers on hapless geeks. | bmicraft wrote: | Spotify has a stable api for free users too (as can be seen | by devices sold with that capability, it just isn't | public). Splicing and rate limiting would clash with | caching I would imagine | trasz3 wrote: | kitsunesoba wrote: | I'm glad this exists, but it's unfortunate that the reverse- | engineered librespot that this depends on is necessary, thanks to | Spotify backpedaling on their promises of a streaming-capable | replacement for libspotify. | acidburnNSA wrote: | After spotify forbade the last library that could do this, I | took spotify out of my mopidy/snapcast whole-house audio | system, cancelled my premium subscription, and have spent the | same money buying albums in MP3 from Amazon ever since. So far | so good. | bobleeswagger wrote: | You guys still don't own your music? | | _Laughs in Lidarr_ | KMnO4 wrote: | Sounds like you don't _own_ your music either. | ubercow13 wrote: | Neither in some sense do people who own physical media, eg. | a CD. | muppetman wrote: | This is why I bought 5-6 Chromecast audio devices before they got | nuked - they do exactly this (and other streaming services). | | Yea it's tied somewhat to Google, but it's a simple easy to | deploy puck that just works. | | Not to suggest the hard work that's gone into this isn't awesome, | because it is! | [deleted] | Daunk wrote: | Has anyone ever gotten this to work? | | I must have tried it a dozen times by now, but never once gotten | it to work. | dcminter wrote: | Yep, I have it running on a couple of Raspberry Pi and it works | well. I hacked up one librespot on one of them to spit out | track names in the event hooks so I could show them on an eink | display hat! | top_post wrote: | I was in the same boat - I can't remember the exact issue now - | but I had to both compile locally and revert back to an older | version for it to work. There were issues on Github relating to | my exact problem but I can't find them now. Currently running | 0.3.3 as my daily driver, no issues. | vehemenz wrote: | Yep. I just installed it on macOS via Homebrew. Took about 5 | minutes to get set up. | nzoschke wrote: | Always great to see new ways to integrate with Spotify. I think | that if you're paying for a Spotify Premium subscription you | should be able to stream music wherever you want! | | However Spotify doesn't agree. If this is based on librespot its | using stuff Spotify doesn't support and could easily shut down | for unauthorized clients any time. | | Their supported paths are iOS and Android SDKs for mobile, and | the Web Playback SDK for desktop [1]. I've been using the web SDK | in anger to build a jukebox app [2] and its only so-so. | | First, you're under the confines of a web browser which has some | pretty big tradeoffs over the experience and system integrations | you can build. | | Next, song playback works as advertised but there are many things | you can't do like introspect the queue or prevent Spotify Radio | from kicking in. | | The latter is downright hostile to controlling exactly what songs | you hear. I assume that always going into auto-recommendation | mode is intentional to juice playback stats. | | Kudos to spotifyd for offering total control over how and where | you stream music you're paying for. | | 1. https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-playback- | sdk... | | 2. https://www.getjukelab.com/ | dahdum wrote: | > I assume that always going into auto-recommendation mode is | intentional to juice playback stats. | | That's one of my favorite features, sometimes I'm too | distracted driving or doing something else to manage Spotify, | but that doesn't mean I want the background music to stop | entirely. | nzoschke wrote: | Yes it's a killer platform and Spotify app feature. | | But for a developer building a custom listening experience it | needs to be completely optional. | | Right now you literally can't build an experience that plays | just one song and stops after because "radio" automatically | kicks in. You need to do crazy hacks to pause the current | song before it ends or enqueue a silent track and intercept | that, if you don't want to occasionally hear a small bit of | an unwanted radio song before correcting. | EMIRELADERO wrote: | Is your web app open source? | | Maybe this is just me, but I take an issue with projects that | use GitHub's community features but don't publish their source | code. Feels somewhat unfair. | nzoschke wrote: | Currently not open source but I long have been thinking about | open sourcing it. | | What's wrong with using GH community features? | | It's a side / passion project so no time or budget to build | any support or community stuff. I considered GitHub, Reddit | and Discord and all have pros/cons. | nomel wrote: | > However Spotify doesn't agree. | | My naive assumption is that Spotify would love to, but the | record labels don't agree. | nzoschke wrote: | Could be. | | When Spotify was young they were extremely developer and | ecosystem friendly. It gets progressively worse and worse | over time. | | The biggest change I personally suffered from is when they | pulled out of their integration with Djay, a DJ app. This | integration was amazing for bedroom DJs like myself, being | able to use Spotify to organize DJ music and DJ directly from | it. Then they sunset the entire integration. | | Now Djay and even bigger apps like Pioneer Rekordbox | integrate with Tidal... Do the labels prefer Tidal over | Spotify for some reason? Or did Spotify decide to get out of | this game for reasons of their own? | SleekoNiko wrote: | > When Spotify was young they were extremely developer and | ecosystem friendly. It gets progressively worse and worse | over time. | | This is somewhat tangential, but I feel like this happens | often, as internal power and culture shifts away from being | developer-driven to consumer- or manager-driven. | | This doesn't happen for every company, thankfully. | elefanten wrote: | Seems quite related to the standard 'company lifecycle' | | And, to your point, not every company follows one. But | most do. | conductr wrote: | The average user at scale is nothing like the average | early adopter user. Developers tend to be early adopters | of tech products. | super256 wrote: | > Do the labels prefer Tidal over Spotify for some reason? | Or did Spotify decide to get out of this game for reasons | of their own? | | Me, being a naive speculator: Maybe it has something to do | with the time. The original contracts between spotify + | labels were probably written 15 years ago. Over time they | might have changed numbers like how big spotify's cut is, | but never revised the rest of the blueprint contracts. | | So, my bet is laziness / not caring enough. | rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: | Tidal was basically a music streaming platform made by the | music industry itself to have some leverage in negotiations | with Spotify / Alphabet / Apple / Amazon. | | It's since evolved into something else, but it's not | surprising that Tidal can get some unique deals due to its | close industry ties. | humanistbot wrote: | > Do the labels prefer Tidal over Spotify for some reason? | Or did Spotify decide to get out of this game for reasons | of their own? | | Yes, labels and artists get a bigger cut of the | subscription cost from Tidal. And before the buy-out by | Square last year, Tidal's parent company was majority-owned | by Jay-Z and had lots of buy-in from music industry | insiders. | eloop wrote: | Question - do any of the other streaming services have better | Linux support? | jez wrote: | In the past, another tool I've used is this bash script that | interacts with Spotify over dbus: | | https://gist.github.com/wandernauta/6800547 | | It's nowhere near a fully featured Spotify client, but for little | scripts or UI things where I just want to see the current song | it's pretty lightweight and already works with the Spotify app I | have installed (obviously this means it has a different end goal | in mind than Spotifyd). | suprjami wrote: | Have tried this several times but I find it drops off the network | as a remote play device. | | If you have a PC with the Spotify app running, that appears as a | remote play device to other clients. | | Otherwise I found ncspot to be more reliable than spotifyd: | https://github.com/hrkfdn/ncspot/ | bmicraft wrote: | I've used it for over a year but never that issue. Works | perfect for me | jrm4 wrote: | Honestly -- just _why_? | | We now have a few years of experience with music streaming. And | what we've learned is that -- sure, it's convenient -- but | honestly hasn't much improved the lot of artists and musicians. | It's a new exploitative system that's perhaps slightly better | than the old exploitative system. | | We can do better. Literally, locally, and for friends. I used to | do MPD, but now I'm glad for things like mstream that make this | sort of thing even easier. I hope funkwhale and other federated | things do better as well. | dtx1 wrote: | Meh, I always pirated music before Spotify. Then I got a free | test account and now am a happy paying customer for forever. As | soon as someone with a reasonably similar library and better | linux integration than a half abandoned electron app comes | along i'll switch.If Artists feel so bad about they should form | a union and collectively bargain for a better position. | iamacyborg wrote: | > If Artists feel so bad about they should form a union and | collectively bargain for a better position | | They can't, major record labels and major artists are working | with Spotify to fuck everyone else. | Bluecobra wrote: | I'm sure someone will find a use case for this. For example, a | long time ago I hooked up a Raspberry pi to my receiver/speaker | system and used mplayer to keep a persistent connection to a | remote Internet radio stream. Whenever I wanted to listen to | it, all I need to do was turn on my receiver and select that | audio interface. | civopsec wrote: | Why are people using a streaming service instead of buying | thousands of dollars worth of CDs (or for that matter, iTunes)? | Is this a question? | jrm4 wrote: | This has never been the dichotomy; but now that you mention | it -- actually, yeah. I'd rather spend thousands of dollars | on CDs (in that environment where shopping for them was like | it used to be) than iTunes (etc., which I've tried but never | found worth continually paying for) | rblatz wrote: | There are still music stores, nothing is stopping you from | buying music like we did before Napster let the cat out of | the bag. People are allowed to have different utility | functions and preferences, sorry yours seems to be going | out of fashion. | richwater wrote: | > but honestly hasn't much improved the lot of artists and | musicians | | As a consumer of music, why is this my problem? | fullshark wrote: | Potentially great music is not being made as a result of | people not devoting time and energy to the craft I guess. | Also just general empathy. | civopsec wrote: | You _guess_? | | Music is like the last thing that will stop being made | because people can't professionalize their craft. | fullshark wrote: | You don't think it has any impact? Even on the margins? I | think it's basically expected that musicians will give up | some day and join the working world, in part because it's | so hard to make a living in. If it's harder to make a | living -> more people give up -> less music. If it's | easier -> fewer people give up -> more music. | civopsec wrote: | It's not a question of whether it has no impact or not | because that's irrelevant. You would actively have to | _punish people_ for making music in order for music not | to be made--that's how strong that force is. (Well heck, | maybe _more_ music would be made in that case, out of | spite and rebellion.) | iamacyborg wrote: | This is a rhetorical question, right? | | If you consume music then surely, you want the artists and | musicians you support to be paid fairly for their work. | civopsec wrote: | Why is that "surely"? | iamacyborg wrote: | You're right, my bad, I assumed most folks would have a | base level of empathy. | smolyeet wrote: | Well , it's either I listen to it using this easy | platform for us common folk, or I don't listen to them at | all. Or i pirate. It's not that deep , you can get off | your high horse. | meltedcapacitor wrote: | Between dead artists and art-for-art-sake artists we're not | gonna run out of stuff to listen to, even if intellectual | property was abolished tomorrow morning (as it should be). | It only works for the 1 percent at the top anyway (due to | power law distribution). | strken wrote: | Can you or jrm4 explain why Spotify's royalty system (a | 70/30 split in favour of the rights holder) is unfair? | | If I had to guess I'd say it convinces artists to license | their work for less money than they'd make if they stuck it | on Bandcamp, but I'm not certain, and neither of you has | explained it. | nyx_land wrote: | The fact that this is receiving downboats and 'but muh | convenience, artists deserve to get fucked over because Spotify | found a better way to exploit human psychology!' is truly an | orange site moment. I pirate the majority of the music I listen | to (and most artists except for super rich mainstream ones | would rather their music spread as much as possible than | receive literal pennies from a Spotify stream) and buy stuff | from Bandcamp when an artist is actually still around and | making stuff. I never listen to ads and have all the files | saved locally in lossless formats. I've never had a Spotify | account for anything other than a podcast that is exclusive to | it and have never cared to switch, and can't even use the | excuse that I'm too old and stubborn in my ways. | civopsec wrote: | Exploit human psychology? | 14u2c wrote: | Some impressive cognitive dissonance here. | hedora wrote: | I've happily moved on from Spotify. | | Has anyone produced similar (and working) alternatives for Tidal | (or Sonos S1/S2)? | SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: | I used this at one point. Might give you what you're looking | for. | | https://github.com/tehkillerbee/mopidy-tidal | musicstealer wrote: | This uses librespot for the actual communication with Spotify's | servers. | | Note that to get it to support Spotify Free, you need to compile | a custom librespot with this part of the code commented out, that | checks for Spotify Premium: https://github.com/librespot- | org/librespot/blob/6dc7a11b09b5... | | And then use this with spotifyd instead of the original. | Kuraj wrote: | Haha I always thought it was Spotify who enforced this | requirement on their end | sbarre wrote: | I mean, it kind of is.. | | I think there's an unofficial understanding that if someone | puts out a way to access Spotify Free that removes or | bypasses the limitations and constraints that Spotify imposes | on free accounts, they would summon the lawyers. | timetraveller26 wrote: | But please don't, otherwise you may get the lib killed for | everybody. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-12-19 23:00 UTC)