[HN Gopher] Show HN: Create a paid link to anything
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       Show HN: Create a paid link to anything
        
       Author : neptuneis
       Score  : 237 points
       Date   : 2022-12-20 15:23 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (paidlink.to)
 (TXT) w3m dump (paidlink.to)
        
       | franze wrote:
       | gumroad started the exact same way
        
       | lx0741 wrote:
       | goldmine for fake links? does it check ownership?
        
       | adg001 wrote:
       | It is worth to note that the users of such service can set an
       | expiration date for linked resource access.
       | 
       | This can be used, for instance, by gig workers to deliver
       | documents to their clients, while conditioning the retrieval of
       | such documents to a payment.
        
       | Jamesmoorez wrote:
        
       | Jamesmoorez wrote:
        
       | terpimost wrote:
       | Awesome idea!
        
       | update8887 wrote:
       | Great idea! Only seems to work in the USA, with the stripe
       | integration requiring to have an account based there.
        
       | booleandilemma wrote:
       | I can tell by the amount of negativity and willful ignorance in
       | the comments (why would I buy something by clicking on a link?!)
       | that this service will be a big success.
       | 
       | Congratulations!
        
       | jesusofnazarath wrote:
        
       | doerig wrote:
       | If someone hypothetically did a chargeback, who would have to pay
       | the ~$15 dispute fee? You or the user that created the link?
        
         | mitchdoogle wrote:
         | It looks like you have to tie it to your stripe account so you
         | (the seller) would be
        
       | fitzroy wrote:
       | Does the buyer need to setup an account?
       | 
       | How does this service prevent the actual (free) URL of the
       | content from being visible / shared after a user pays? It seems
       | like this would be difficult for some of the use cases presented
       | (YouTube, Wordpress, etc) without managing the backend.
       | 
       | And how long does the buyer have access? How do they regain
       | access to the link later?
        
       | notdonspaulding wrote:
       | I like this idea. I have no clue whether all the concerns here
       | about ToS/legal/chargeback issues are valid, but I've thought a
       | service like this should exist for a while now (whenever a
       | relative asks me how to get started with a website for a simple
       | product they want to sell).
       | 
       | However, I think you need to consider the overloading of the term
       | "link" in your product. I know it's your name, but the example
       | shows just how confusing the overloading of the term is to your
       | users. Here's the breakdown of what my mind does as it scans the
       | example link page:
       | 
       | - Ah, I'm at a site, "Paid _Link_ dot To "
       | 
       | - "This _link_ costs $15 to access " - OK, the seller page I just
       | left is selling me something called a "link"
       | 
       | - "You are trying to accessed a _link_ " - Skip over typo...OK,
       | what's the link I tried to access? Like, what's even the thing I
       | was trying to do on the last page?
       | 
       | - "Autofill your card with _Link_ " - Huh? The link already has
       | my card?
       | 
       | - "... or create a _Link_ account " - Is link the name of the
       | site I'm on, the site I came from, or the thing I'm buying? Why
       | do I need/want an account from any of them? If any of them, I'm
       | assuming the account I should want to create is with the seller
       | with whom I've just decided to transact business.
       | 
       | - " _Link_ logo Learn More " - Is this the link I need to click
       | on to get the thing I want? Like a "Download Now" button on a
       | link scam website like softpedia?
       | 
       | - "Access _Link_ " - does this button take me to my Link account?
       | A new website called Link? Ah, it's the content I've been after
       | this whole time.
       | 
       | Certainly none of that is insurmountable for the user, but I just
       | wanted to put it out there to give you my impression as someone
       | who's brand new to your site.
        
       | fiat_fandango wrote:
       | This seems like an absolute legal nightmare - ToS will never hold
       | up in court, you've basically just saved criminals and scammers a
       | few days of work.
        
       | Cypher wrote:
       | I thought we were over the age of paywalls
        
       | ujnproduct wrote:
       | This is an amazing product & given that gumroad has recently
       | increased prices, the timing could not have been better. But
       | information architecture of the landing page needs to change. I
       | am left with the following questions after reading the content on
       | the website.
       | 
       | 1. How much margin does the platform charge? 2. Why can't I see a
       | preview to what I am paying for? 3. How is it better than
       | Gumroad, Stripe and others? Margins, ease of use etc, whatever
       | your arguments are, I would love a detailed explanation.
        
       | dale_glass wrote:
       | I'm not convinced this isn't a solution in search of a problem.
       | What is it good for?
       | 
       | For most things being sold you'll want an account attached. If
       | this is a song or a book then you probably want to at least have
       | functionality like reviews, ratings and recommendations.
       | 
       | Whatever it is that you're selling probably forms part of some
       | sort of established relationship -- I don't recall ever getting
       | out my credit card and paying $5 for something from a random link
       | on Twitter.
       | 
       | It also seems abuse prone. If we're supposed to share these paid
       | links, that creates an incentive for scammers and trolls to
       | create their own links and get people's money while delivering
       | nothing. That means customers will lose confidence in the system,
       | vendors will get screwed, and the company will be hit with
       | chargebacks. This seems like a dangerous business model.
       | 
       | For the vendor side, this seems to be a redirector, so once the
       | first person pays, they can share the URL they got redirected to.
       | This doesn't seem like a good business plan.
       | 
       | EDIT: I just got one to load. This is all I get:
       | 
       | "This link costs $15.00 to access. You are trying to accessed a
       | link through PaidLink.to, which requires payment to proceed. Fill
       | out your payment details below."
       | 
       | What the heck am I even paying $15 for? I haven't a clue. Not
       | only there's no preview, there's not even a description!
       | 
       | Screenshot for anyone having issues: https://imgur.com/YIsypEN
        
         | jonnycomputer wrote:
         | You're paying for the information about what the link points
         | to, apparently.
         | 
         | Imagine, for example, Musk's twitter requiring payment to see
         | what some user's post linked to somewhere else off of Twitter.
         | 
         | Not saying its a good idea. It's mafia-esque, tbh.
        
         | lx0741 wrote:
         | good for onlyfans "influencers"?
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | The adjacent submission https://tafc.space/qna/the-topologists-
         | world-map/ would be an example use case, for selling the
         | digital version of their map.
        
         | masswerk wrote:
         | Also: as a user, I have no idea whom I am paying - is it the
         | content creator, a scammer, an obscure man in the middle? What
         | kind of transaction is this even? Is there any kind of
         | resolution in case of conflict? It's just an actual payment
         | block box with the promise of some content behind that link,
         | which cannot be verified, and no trust at all.
         | 
         | (Edit) In terms of transparency, there isn't really much to
         | find out about of who is behind this service. From the _terms
         | of service_ (hosted by another domain) we learn:
         | 
         |  _Neptune Technologies, United States_ (no further address
         | details)
         | 
         | But there's an email address, and this is the site behind that
         | domain: http://www.neptune.is (???)
        
         | noxer wrote:
         | This is most likely targeted at the onlyfans kinda "internet
         | sex worker" who sell zip archives or lewd images and videos.
         | This lets "content creator" circumvent the platform fees that
         | come with selling over platforms like onlyfans.
        
           | Cypher wrote:
           | aren't they just trading Onlyfans fee for this platform fee.
        
           | dale_glass wrote:
           | So on one hand, I think this is still too little. Even when
           | buying porn one would want to know exactly what it is they're
           | paying for, and it would make more sense to do the payment at
           | some place with a gallery, previews, etc.
           | 
           | But on the other hand, this might be a plausible deniability
           | sort of thing. This way paidlink.to doesn't host anything,
           | they don't even say what it is that they're going to direct
           | the user to. This might be an attempt to keep payment
           | processors off their back as long as possible.
           | 
           | It may not work forever but since next to nothing is being
           | provided, this site is extremely cheap to setup and run,
           | which means it won't take long to pay off.
        
             | nvr219 wrote:
             | Why should the payment piece show a preview or gallery or
             | anything? When I buy something using paypal, that info
             | isn't on PayPal - it's on the vendor site.
        
             | Nowado wrote:
             | If customer has an established relationship with a seller
             | already, seller can put this link on a website where
             | products are presented. It's not polished, but it's fine.
        
             | lalopalota wrote:
             | I imagine the description / preview would be displayed with
             | the link on the seller's site. No need for this service to
             | open itself to the liability / vulnerability of displaying
             | whatever the seller wants (illegal content / XSS / etc)
        
         | ChuckMcM wrote:
         | From dale_glass' comment below: _This way paidlink.to doesn 't
         | host anything, they don't even say what it is that they're
         | going to direct the user to. This might be an attempt to keep
         | payment processors off their back as long as possible._
         | 
         | This explanation strikes me as being closest. There is a well
         | known problem, which is that using the non-crypto payment
         | systems for things is difficult, by disintermediating the
         | payment provider from the product the paidlink guys can say
         | they have clean hands.
         | 
         | VISA: "What are you selling?"
         | 
         | PL: "Links"
         | 
         | VISA: "Links to what? Prohibited items?"
         | 
         | PL: "Oh no, our TOS doesn't allow that, we tell our customers
         | not do do that."
         | 
         | VISA: "Can you verify that they don't?"
         | 
         | PL: "Uh, well as far as our platform is concerned their just
         | links, you know like groceries are just groceries, we don't get
         | into the nitty gritty of what exactly they are."
         | 
         | The weird thing is, even if the PL guys are 100% aligned with
         | not letting their customers use this for "bad things" their
         | customers are going to try to find ways around any systems they
         | put in place to check or regulate.
         | 
         | Watching the shenanigans people pulled to get around our
         | efforts to prevent the misuse of Blekko (a search engine) was
         | really educational in that regard.
        
           | strifey wrote:
           | You might have noticed already, but your reply is quoting the
           | same person you're replying to.
        
           | 411111111111111 wrote:
           | My first thought was that this was made for crypto locker
           | payments.
           | 
           | The locker displays the qr code and polls for payment status
        
             | O__________O wrote:
             | For clarity, you're referring to ransomware.
        
         | jstummbillig wrote:
         | > For most things being sold you'll want an account attached.
         | 
         | Who is the subject? Because in my mind, for most things sold,
         | as the buyer, you actually just want the product/service.
         | 
         | > I don't recall ever getting out my credit card and paying $5
         | 
         | Even if you never shopped in a retail store or dined in a
         | restaurant and paid with your credit card (which seems somewhat
         | unlikely) you are familiar with the concept of paying for
         | something "random" as a one of. What's the conceptual hurdle?
        
         | robbyking wrote:
         | > _I don 't recall ever getting out my credit card and paying
         | $5 for something from a random link on Twitter._
         | 
         | The other issues with this site aside, affiliate programs don't
         | require the user purchase the item that brought them to the
         | site. There's a book I found myself recommending quite often,
         | so I created an affiliate account at a retailer and started
         | using that link when I recommended it online. I make about $100
         | each quarter off of site referrals, but almost no one buys the
         | book -- instead they follow the link, click on something in a
         | related items carousel and buy one of those items. Sometimes
         | the time between click and purchase is pretty long (weeks or
         | even months), but as long as the affiliate cook persists I get
         | a percentage of the purchase price.
        
         | jollyllama wrote:
         | Accounts are a barrier to sales.
        
         | geysersam wrote:
         | 1. You can still have reviews, decription of content, etc etc.
         | But it doesn't have to ce coupled to payment processing and
         | distribution of the content.
         | 
         | This _significantly_ lowers the bar for what is required to
         | have a  "webshop" like page. For example: a Reddit post can
         | have a product description, with payment links directly in the
         | description, and reviews in the comments. How convenient is
         | that?
         | 
         | 2.
         | 
         | > What the heck am I paying for?
         | 
         | I assume you accessed their example link. In practice you would
         | have clicked the link from a page describing what you are
         | paying for.
         | 
         | I'm not affiliated with the product. Just found this a really
         | cool and innovative idea.
        
           | zyx321 wrote:
           | If your example doesn't show how the tool is supposed to be
           | used in practice, it's kind of a garbage example.
        
           | croes wrote:
           | Clicking a link and getting to a page without mentioning what
           | I'm paying for is highly suspicious.
        
         | emodendroket wrote:
         | I've seen similar products except the thing was that they made
         | you watch ads. These were mostly popular with people sharing
         | links to pirated content.
        
         | vikingerik wrote:
         | _> I 'm not convinced this isn't a solution in search of a
         | problem. What is it good for?_
         | 
         | It's quite possible this isn't determined yet. It might exactly
         | be a solution searching for a problem, intentionally so.
         | 
         | The creator can implement the idea and launch it as a proof-of-
         | concept, and see if anyone comes up with any good use cases for
         | it. Maybe it goes nowhere, but maybe it's worth a shot at
         | hitting it big in some unforeseen niche.
        
         | captainmuon wrote:
         | I can imagine this is useful if you want to sell digital goods,
         | say an ebook or, cough, pictures, but don't want to or can't
         | set up a shop, or use a payment processor. It looks like a
         | simple and convenient solution, they handle all the payments
         | and send you a check in the end.
         | 
         | But oh boy this seems to be an invitation to money laundering.
         | 3 2 1 and people are going to put up links, and buy them
         | themselves with stolen credit cards.
        
         | sdwr wrote:
         | You kidding me? You're a complainer in search of an issue,
         | there's nothing wrong with this. "Buying things on the
         | internet" obviously works already, in the form of patreon,
         | subscriptions, and digital purchases. This is a minimal, clean
         | service, does exactly what it says on the tin. IDK if it gets
         | any uptake, and the UI doesn't quite look trustworthy enough
         | for my taste, but the idea itself is pretty much perfect.
        
           | pcthrowaway wrote:
           | > IDK if it gets any uptake
           | 
           | This is pretty much what solution in search of a problem is.
           | "Here, we made this thing that solves this problem someone
           | could theoretically have." _crickets_
        
           | dale_glass wrote:
           | > You kidding me? You're a complainer in search of an issue,
           | there's nothing wrong with this. "Buying things on the
           | internet" obviously works already, in the form of patreon,
           | subscriptions, and digital purchases.
           | 
           | And I've used such services, yes. But this looks way too
           | minimalistic to me to be useful.
           | 
           | On Patreon I subscribe to a specific artist. I know who they
           | are and they can know me if we talk to each other. I can
           | favorite posts, provide feedback, get perks, etc. When an
           | artist says that for $10 I'll get access to their latest
           | sketches that's a public announcement on Patreon, and if they
           | don't hold up their promise, fans will get upset.
           | 
           | Here there's an obscure link. I don't know what I'm paying
           | for, or who made it. I don't know whether it belongs to the
           | actual person who's supposed to benefit. Somebody could pay
           | for the first access, make their own link and then leech off
           | the actual artist by spreading their link around.
        
             | Mystery-Machine wrote:
             | Wtf man?
             | 
             | First you claim this is useless, then, in this reply you
             | claim that you've used similar services before. Make up
             | your mind.
             | 
             | Yes, it's simplistic and ugly af. But don't attack the
             | idea.
             | 
             | And, I guess, you got that link from somewhere, or rather
             | from someone.
        
               | charcircuit wrote:
               | He said he used similar services to Patreon.
        
             | yyu990 wrote:
             | The artist can just have a webpage/blog/... where they
             | would include such "paid links". That is, the audience
             | _still_ knows who they are and _still_ builds some trust
             | etc. But now they don 't have to deal with setting up
             | payment systems and account handling and billing and all
             | that stuff. The value proposition of the OP service is to
             | take care of all that and the artist can focus on their art
             | instead. A per-click webshop, basically.
        
               | giantrobot wrote:
               | The issue is I as a scammer can create a paid link to any
               | arbitrary URL, including _your_ URL. There 's no
               | verification of control like how say LetsEncrypt works.
               | As a user I'm taken to a link with no verification of
               | what I might be paying for. There's no preview of the
               | content or even a declaration of who might own rights to
               | the linked content. So I get a link that says I need to
               | pay $10, what the fuck am I paying for?
               | 
               | Even if I followed a link and expect to be paying, a
               | scammer could also send me a link to the same content. I
               | expected to pay through this site so I go ahead and pay
               | for the content. Since I followed the scammer's link they
               | get paid instead of the content owner.
               | 
               | This is a system just rife with abuse potential.
        
               | lmm wrote:
               | > The issue is I as a scammer can create a paid link to
               | any arbitrary URL, including your URL.
               | 
               | Sure, but that was a problem that already existed. People
               | already sell other people's artworks / pictures / etc..
               | Having to copy a file rather than a link is not a
               | significant barrier.
               | 
               | > Even if I followed a link and expect to be paying, a
               | scammer could also send me a link to the same content. I
               | expected to pay through this site so I go ahead and pay
               | for the content. Since I followed the scammer's link they
               | get paid instead of the content owner.
               | 
               | Presumably you're getting the link from somewhere
               | reputable - the creator's own site, or their
               | patreon/twitter/etc.. Sure, a scammer can create a fake
               | profile to impersonate them - but again, that's something
               | that already happens.
        
               | sacrosancty wrote:
        
             | TylerE wrote:
             | What happens when the URL inevitably starts 404ing would be
             | my first question.
        
               | blacksmith_tb wrote:
               | It would be a plus if paidlink.to actually made a call to
               | the link before accepting payment, and put up a warning /
               | stopped the transaction if it didn't get a 200, "We're
               | sorry but thingyouwanted.com/enticing.html isn't
               | currrently available, please try again later."
        
           | wpietri wrote:
           | It is "perfect" in the H L Mencken sense: "For every complex
           | problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
           | 
           | One of the reasons that Bitcoin never took off for their
           | stated purpose, payment, is that they had a similarly too-
           | simple model of irreversible one-shot transfers. Anybody who
           | has worked on an actual payment system can tell you that
           | commerce is more complex than that.
        
             | dale_glass wrote:
             | I don't think that was the main issue. Bitcoin's main use
             | as an actual currency was for things like drugs, where the
             | legal system wouldn't be on your side anyway. So lack of
             | chargebacks wasn't an issue anyway.
             | 
             | The bigger issues with BTC is the onboarding problem,
             | limited capacity and rapidly fluctuating exchange rate.
        
               | wpietri wrote:
               | I don't think I said it was the main issue. I agree that
               | it had other problems too, including the ones you name.
               | 
               | But I think you're missing my point. The anonymous, one-
               | shot nature of things made it most appealing to only one
               | set of merchants and one set of customers: people doing
               | crime, and who were therefore most tolerant of the risks.
               | 
               | The onboarding problem is also partly a consequence of
               | this. Because a bitcoin transaction is irreversible, and
               | exchange can't just take a credit card payment and give
               | you bitcoin.
        
       | jvanderbot wrote:
       | I think a lot of folks are mistaking this service for the front-
       | end store.
       | 
       | If I create a perfectly reputable storefront with a "We use
       | thirdparty paidlink.to for simple one-time purchases", it's quite
       | easy to understand how you get customers to use this. It's no
       | different than "We use stripe, I promise this popup window that
       | asks for credit information is legit".
        
         | hanniabu wrote:
         | But all this does is create a middleman link, so people can
         | just share the final link and bypass the payment
        
         | SamBam wrote:
         | Agreed.
         | 
         | As an example, I buy sheet music PDFs from online stores. The
         | stores often show the first part of a PDF and then you pay and
         | get access to download the PDF.
         | 
         | It would be easy to imagine then replacing their system with
         | this.
         | 
         | As a customer, I see no real difference. If I paid the store
         | and didn't get the sheet music, of probably be stuck in credit
         | card chargeback hell anyway.
         | 
         | As the store, there are probably some downsides. E.g. their own
         | system can probably give me a unique link. That link may expire
         | after I use it. With this system, there's nothing preventing me
         | from tweeting the link if I wanted to.
        
           | Raydovsky wrote:
           | But you can tweet the link to your files uploaded to Google
           | drive
        
         | gowld wrote:
         | The difference is that, when I am shopping on
         | InterestingContentForSaleSite.com, now I have TWO sketchy
         | companeis to worry about, InterestingContentForSaleSite.com and
         | paidlinkto.com
         | 
         | 2 vendors is infinitely worse than 1, because they can blame
         | each other for whatever goes wrong, creating an unbreakable
         | circle of blame. If I try to chargeback paidlink.to, they can
         | say "the link works, not our fault that the user and
         | InterestingContentForSaleSite.com disagree on the value of the
         | link".
         | 
         | At least PayPal has some reputation for consumer protection.
        
       | correlator wrote:
       | Seems like an interesting approach to doing things like online
       | paid concerts. I don't know the space well, there may already be
       | solutions for this in the market. Still, if this is successful, I
       | imagine Twitch/Youtube etc. could quickly add this.
        
         | TylerE wrote:
         | That's a solved problem at this point.
         | 
         | Payment processing is not the hard part there.
        
       | mankins wrote:
       | I created a similar service to this called Monetized.Link
       | https://www.monetized.link/ ...We describe it as if you put
       | together a tiny url and a paywall. From what I've seen there's a
       | fair amount of interest in easily converting a link into money.
       | Like Gumroad we've tried to make it as easy as possible, but more
       | to be done.
       | 
       | Our team's background is in content so we initially were
       | imagining this as a paywall for one-off content. You could put
       | these monetized links inside a newsletter or twitter stream for
       | instance and get an easy to create payment stream from your
       | exiting users.
       | 
       | Over the product's development we have found support with the
       | web3 community doing token gating (get the premium content if you
       | own an NFT for instance).
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | the-anarchist wrote:
       | I'd like to have this but for XMR payments.
        
       | EGreg wrote:
       | How about selling memberships and roles in a community using
       | crypto, then other websites can just query the blockchain to see
       | if you have that role?
        
         | rgbrgb wrote:
         | You'd be unable to use it in safari or embedded browsers though
         | (e.g. twitter app). Apple Pay is 2 clicks here.
        
           | EGreg wrote:
           | Why unable to? To read the blockchain you use any Ethereum
           | RPC provider, pure HTTP interface no need for MetaMask.
           | 
           | Embedded browsers and iOS safari do sign transactions using
           | WalletConnect. Or you can deeplink into a wallet dapp browser
           | too.
        
             | rgbrgb wrote:
             | Oh nice, I didn't know about that. How does it work? You
             | sign into a centralized wallet provider like paypal?
             | 
             | For most things my gut says deeplinking to a dapp is going
             | to kill conversion. Use cases I'm thinking are selling
             | audio samples or a sewing pattern... stuff people use
             | gumroad for.
             | 
             | I wonder how the transaction costs compare at these price
             | points ($1-20). Hoping that's gotten better. Last time I
             | tried sending eth it only made sense for big transactions.
        
       | lakomen wrote:
       | I think that's a really good idea
        
       | ms7892 wrote:
       | Right timing of launch if we consider Gumroad's price increament.
        
       | dbg31415 wrote:
       | I think there was a link-shortener back in the day (when people
       | used link-shorteners) that did this. The exact same way. I can't
       | remember what happened to them... if they went out of business in
       | a month because nobody used the service, or if it took two
       | months.
       | 
       | So many problems here. Once I have the link, I can just re-share
       | it and bypass the paywall. For starters.
       | 
       | But also, smaller stuff... the UX on the paywall is bad. It needs
       | a preview... UX on the whole of the site is very bad. If you're
       | going to charge, make sure it's a good experience. Not just
       | something that looks like someone slapped it together in a
       | basement in an hour. Get a real designer, a logo, a brand
       | theme... It'll add trust.
       | 
       | The costs seem to not be great in terms of what the content
       | creator gets to keep.
        
         | cc101 wrote:
         | If I understand your objection, I don't think it is a problem.
         | Wouldn't the preview et. al. be on the web page with the sales
         | pitch? Only after the user was satisfied with what was being
         | offered on that page, would the user request (and then pay) for
         | the link.
        
       | MonkeyClub wrote:
       | Or rather: https://paidlink.to/l/OxLrwggYVi
       | 
       | Doesn't work, though, it Server Errors.
       | 
       | Also, out of $1.00 I net only $0.25?
        
         | neptuneis wrote:
         | Hrm, seems like your Stripe account didn't get fully created.
         | I'll take a look at this. In the meantime, the UX looks like
         | this:
         | 
         | > https://paidlink.to/l/aofBHyHOkU
         | 
         | (Obviously, don't click through, it doesn't go anywhere for
         | your $15.00).
        
           | cleerline wrote:
           | why no paypal?
        
       | David_Axelrod wrote:
       | God damn it. I really wanted to see what your paywall looked like
       | but got hit with "hey signup. hey link your stripe".
       | 
       | Show me an example.
        
         | jraph wrote:
         | Ah, the famous HN "I didn't see the playwall, how can I work
         | around the absence of a paywall?"
         | 
         | Here you go: https://paidlink.to/l/aofBHyHOkU
         | 
         | (from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34067109#34067410)
         | 
         | (does not look pretty with JS disabled, there's an icon the
         | size of my screen)
        
       | pimlottc wrote:
       | Would be useful to have an example paidlink so you can see what
       | the UX is like for visitors.
        
         | MonkeyClub wrote:
         | Check my paidlink.to link to paidlink.to above
         | (https://paidlink.to/l/OxLrwggYVi).
         | 
         | The UX is as follows:
         | 
         | > Server Error (500)
        
       | O__________O wrote:
       | Anyone able to comment on what fees they're charging and
       | onboarding process?
       | 
       | So far for the onboarding process I have:
       | 
       | - signup by giving email and password; does not appear to be an
       | email confirmation
       | 
       | - Thank you for registering, [insert-signup-email]. Next, we will
       | have you register with our payment processor, Stripe, to collect
       | payments for your link. (Link to "Continue to Stripe")
       | 
       | - No idea.
       | 
       | __________
       | 
       | Edit: In searching for their pricing found a competitor that's
       | charging 0.5-1% of the transaction:
       | 
       | https://help.paid.link/knowledgebase.php?article=22
        
       | miiiiiike wrote:
       | This is a good idea. Very simple.
        
       | xwdv wrote:
       | Anybody get a HTTP 402 error?
        
       | eternityforest wrote:
       | Looks awesome, with just a few issues.
       | 
       | One is that I don't see PayPal support. Typing credit card info
       | into any site not owned by a billion dollar company is a bit
       | scary.
       | 
       | Secondly, and this is just a personal thing, I'm not sure it
       | would support any of my ideas that might be a use case.
       | 
       | Do you have any plans to add the ability to handle membership or
       | paid unique codes? As a lone dev, I would prefer to never touch
       | anyone's financial info.
       | 
       | It would be cool if there was a service that would handle
       | accounts and user data 100% so an app never had to touch it
       | whatsoever.
       | 
       | It could provide Oauth2 SSO or something, but only if the user
       | paid.
       | 
       | Or it could just act as a paid proxy that adds a secret API key
       | plus the user's per-site anonymized ID and membership level.
       | 
       | It could even have an API fot the app to store files on the
       | proxy, which the user would have full access to in their account
       | portal.
       | 
       | That way an app developer never stores any user data at all, you
       | could make a paid app just by making an open access unpaid app
       | and hiding it behind the proxy.
        
         | dubcanada wrote:
         | > One is that I don't see PayPal support. Typing credit card
         | info into any site not owned by a billion dollar company is a
         | bit scary.
         | 
         | I get the PayPal support, but why are you so averse to typing
         | in a credit card for a company who maybe makes 1 million a
         | year?
        
           | topicseed wrote:
           | > for a company who maybe makes 1 million a year
           | 
           | Do they?
        
           | UncleEntity wrote:
           | Because they probably have bad interwebs security?
           | 
           | PayPal loses credit card information to hackers and there's
           | congressional investigations, dodgy website selling "links"
           | gets hacked and it's all about "buyer beware".
        
       | max_ wrote:
       | I would use this if it had stable coin support like USDC. Please
       | add something like that or just BTC.
       | 
       | Also, that way we would not need to setup a stripe account.
        
       | ezekg wrote:
       | But couldn't people just share the link after the redirect?
        
         | jorts wrote:
         | Could be blocked based on referrer?
        
           | alexcroox wrote:
           | This is a no code solution
        
         | neptuneis wrote:
         | That's exactly right. This service wouldn't be appropriate if
         | you were trying to protect access to (for example) a full web
         | application. It could be appropriate if you were selling (for
         | example) access to an individual Zoom call or Google Doc and
         | didn't have concerns about the link being shared afterwards.
        
           | aliqot wrote:
           | you could do a caching proxy then sell access to the cache
           | data, or make the person selling the link pay more % to keep
           | the link cached longer, maybe like an IPFS pin or something
        
       | mandeepj wrote:
       | You can stack the items under "Trusted to monetize access to:" in
       | one row, instead of a column. It'll reduce page height and make
       | the page scroll-free. While you are at it, please reduce the size
       | of those giant icons.
        
       | pHollda wrote:
       | What's up with all of this financializing of everything??
        
         | eterevsky wrote:
         | Beats ads-driven publishing IMO. At least you are directly
         | paying for what you are getting.
        
         | fishtoaster wrote:
         | What's new here? People have been selling things online for 30
         | years and selling digital things (ebooks, zines, videos) for
         | just as long. This is basically a lower-tech Gumroad.
        
         | JohnCClarke wrote:
         | Capitalism
        
           | update8887 wrote:
           | capitali.sm
        
             | update8887 wrote:
             | https://paidlink.to/l/QyiCPgyIAg
        
         | warkdarrior wrote:
         | Financialization will continue until morale improves.
        
         | the_third_wave wrote:
         | It comes from the drive for "monetisation" which is the most
         | recent form of alchemy. Where the alchemists of old tried to
         | turn base metals into gold these _monitists_ try to turn
         | everything into a bunch of changed bits in a file on some bank
         | 's computer system. Future history will tell whether
         | _monetists_ had better luck than the alchemists of old.
        
         | vyrotek wrote:
         | View this comment for $3! https://t.ly/T8hb
        
           | mritchie712 wrote:
           | thought this would be a link to an NFT. It's bad, but still
           | better.
        
           | brookst wrote:
           | I was 100% prepared to pay $3 to view your comment, and was
           | sadly disappointed.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | I believe it's called capitalism.
        
         | behnamoh wrote:
         | Gotta pay the bills somehow.
        
         | logn wrote:
         | Crypto/payment startups are a sort of sudoku distracting VC's
         | and software engineers, building an abstract world of endless
         | technical complexity that passes for fulfilling work.
        
       | 99failures wrote:
       | so OK. How do I, the publisher, get my money?
       | 
       | A FAQ would be nice.
        
       | Justsignedup wrote:
       | how will this be abuse proof?
       | 
       | scenario: You share a link with me, earn $0.50, i notice people
       | willing to pay for it.
       | 
       | I then go on to create my own link once I have access to the
       | site. I now earn the money.
       | 
       | I can also share the original link once I paid.
       | 
       | This is also ripe for abuse because it intentionally hides the
       | original url, so it could be taking you to a scam site after a
       | paywall. Or worse, if you always conceal the original url, the
       | perfect way to get people to pay and put in their google
       | passwords into another site.
       | 
       | I cannot see this being anything positive.
        
       | dotBen wrote:
       | If you want this functionality on a WordPress-powered site, which
       | is one of the use cases stated, this is the industry standard way
       | of doing this within the WP world:
       | 
       | https://easydigitaldownloads.com/
        
         | algo_trader wrote:
         | I dont understand this
         | 
         | Is it a library/backend/hosted-form? (For just $499 - you save
         | $500!!!)
         | 
         | Is it a payment gateway? Do they spare you the need for
         | pp/stripe/CC account ?!
         | 
         | I cant possibly image what the other 90 plugins do...
        
           | mitchdoogle wrote:
           | It's a system for managing access to digital files on your
           | WordPress site. You have to have your own payment processor
           | and enter the API keys in the settings. The add-ons are
           | mostly API connections to other services, i.e. Dropbox, aws
           | or additional features. $500 is if you want everything and
           | have lots of sites. Probably only a developer would want
           | that. $100 is the basic set up.
           | 
           | This is an alternative to something like woocommerce if you
           | only have digital merchandise, and makes restricting access
           | to files easy
        
       | Alifatisk wrote:
       | So this is like AdFly?
        
       | vyrotek wrote:
       | I'm surprised to see the concerns from other comments.
       | 
       | Isn't this exactly how Gumroad started too right here on HN?
        
         | samwillis wrote:
         | Yes, this is exactly what they started with in 2011, see the
         | launch post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2406614
         | 
         | > Over this past weekend I had the idea to build a sort of link
         | shortener but with a payment system built-in. There have been
         | many times in the past where I wanted to share a link - on
         | Twitter or just through IM with a few friends - but did not
         | want to go through the overhead of setting up a whole store.
         | 
         | All the same comments as here, but I suppose they ultimately
         | pivoted away from the link format. I suppose it's the perfect
         | MVP though!
        
         | xwdv wrote:
         | Those were different times. There's no more room for scrappy
         | products like that now. You can't just post an explainer video
         | with an email sign up and expect to become Dropbox.
         | 
         | Lean startups have been rejected in favor of "Do all the big
         | work up front and then we'll see if we like it". It's MVP
         | fatigue.
        
         | SomeCallMeTim wrote:
         | No. Gumroad hosts and sells digital products from a store.
         | 
         | This site...well, I can't even tell what it does aside from
         | creating a paywall link that requires $X to bypass. And on that
         | payment page there's no hint as to what you're buying.
         | 
         | And after you've gotten a new link...then what? Someone can
         | just post that link everywhere? Or is there some kind of API
         | that unlocks a link? Or...?
         | 
         | The service has very questionable usability. Gumroad has
         | _obvious_ utility. That 's the difference.
        
           | geysersam wrote:
           | I assume they won't just give you the link, only read the
           | content from the link and pass it on to you.
           | 
           | Although, I haven't tried.
           | 
           | Edit: I assumed wrong.
        
           | czx4f4bd wrote:
           | This is literally how Gumroad started, though.
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34068230
        
       | Deegy wrote:
       | Quick and blunt piece of advice: you need to redesign your
       | website asap imo. It reminds me exactly of what a webpage looks
       | like once the hosting has expired on it.
       | 
       | Very low trust for a service like yours.
       | 
       | FWIW the content on it is great. Very concise and to the point.
       | It's just the look and feel I'm referring to.
        
         | terpimost wrote:
         | I'm ready to help with this. I think the idea is great.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | urban_alien wrote:
         | Completely agree. I think part of it stems from looking
         | GoDaddy-ish.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | synergy20 wrote:
       | How about an e-giftcard that is just a series of numbers and I
       | can use to purchase anything online without filling out my credit
       | info.
       | 
       | e.g. I went to somewhere and bought an e-giftcard of $1000, I use
       | $100 of it to buy a licensed software and download it, I pay
       | another $50 for an online subscription,etc.
       | 
       | So I do not need disclose my location and even my name when I do
       | not need to, this is basically a simple bitcoin-style-debit-card-
       | for-online-purchases.
       | 
       | does such thing exist? any online stores accept that? if not why
       | not.
        
         | trothamel wrote:
         | At least in the US, convenience stores sell prepaid debit cards
         | that are basically this.
        
           | synergy20 wrote:
           | online store does not take it is the problem, plus I have to
           | go there to buy in the store.
        
         | byhemechi wrote:
         | you can buy visa/mastercard gift cards at supermarkets/ the
         | post office in australia. I am sure that there are similar
         | things in other parts of the world
        
           | synergy20 wrote:
           | that's the simplest way I assume and totally
           | anonymous/untraceable if I need it, thanks!
        
         | rajivm wrote:
         | Privacy.com is designed exactly for this purpose. You can
         | create as many service/purchase specific "debit cards" as you
         | want and set limits. At time of purchase, you can use any name
         | and address you want.
        
           | synergy20 wrote:
           | Thanks. I was unaware of it.
        
       | sneak wrote:
       | The terms of service for this offering require that you waive
       | your civil rights to a jury trial in event of any dispute.
       | 
       | This is very common, but still rude.
        
       | 10g1k wrote:
       | Water literally falls from the sky, and people still sell bottles
       | of it. So yes, sell anything.
        
       | levpopov wrote:
       | Cool idea, but it'd be great to add an explanation for choosing
       | this over Stripe payment links
       | (https://stripe.com/payments/payment-links). For Stripe, you can
       | configure a redirect on success linking to your paid content so
       | it should work for most use cases paidlink covers, no?
        
         | pifm_guy wrote:
         | This is easier to set up.
         | 
         | And stripes pay links are badly advertised.
        
           | Kiro wrote:
           | You still need to set up a Stripe account to use this.
        
           | [deleted]
        
       | nagyf wrote:
       | So how can I trust that after paying for the link, I will get the
       | content that was advertised? What happens if it just redirects me
       | to google.com after that? How do I get my money back?
       | 
       | How do you ensure the paid links are safe to visit, and it won't
       | redirect me to a malicious website?
        
         | geysersam wrote:
         | If you trust the seller giving you the link, why would you
         | doubt you'll get the content after paying?
         | 
         | Any link you click on a page could lead to a malicious site.
         | But again, if you trust the seller, why would you think they
         | would link you to a malicious site?
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | jamesrcole wrote:
         | Seems a similar issue to: how can you trust someone you buy a
         | physical product from online?
         | 
         | Do they have a reputation? If a third party mediates the sale
         | (eg eBay) do they have policies in place to handle such issues?
        
         | behnamoh wrote:
         | > How do you ensure the paid links are safe to visit, and it
         | won't redirect me to a malicious website?
         | 
         | Is it up to this website though? It's like asking URL
         | shorteners to check the malicious activity of original links.
        
           | jakelazaroff wrote:
           | You don't pay a URL shortener to redirect you.
        
             | TylerE wrote:
             | There's a number of shady "services" like AdFly that are
             | just that.
        
               | jakelazaroff wrote:
               | I guess people characterizing such services as "shady" is
               | probably a good reason to try and vet the links people
               | submit :)
        
             | [deleted]
        
           | aliqot wrote:
           | this isn't saying that the product is wrong, it's saying we
           | accept you and then offering a gentle gesture toward the
           | center of the circle to commence your nerd beatdown. this is
           | the initiation process.
           | 
           | also we're nerds, we ask questions and shit. it's fine.
           | nobody means anything by it.
        
           | dale_glass wrote:
           | I think it is, supposing it wants to be useful.
           | 
           | Imagine this catches on. Now I'm not sure why would it, but
           | let's suppose we have a paid link to a book, or song, or
           | download, or something else useful. If this link is ever
           | shared anywhere public, there's an incentive for spammers and
           | trolls to create their own links and try to get paid for
           | nothing.
           | 
           | Probable end result: platforms start banning links to
           | paidlink.to, because a lot of people get cheated out of their
           | money.
        
             | cptaj wrote:
             | I think it can exist with the limited scope of not being
             | responsible for the content it redirects to.
             | 
             | More cynically, if it catches on like you mentioned, the OP
             | probably already made a shit ton of money from a simple and
             | IMO elegant idea.
        
             | geysersam wrote:
             | You'll have to be sure to obtain the link from a credible
             | source.
             | 
             | That's the same as for any other sale over the internet.
             | There are lots of fake web stores that scam people.
        
         | robertlagrant wrote:
         | It might make sense if the website let you log in directly and
         | manage your payments. Trust ratings on vendors, etc.
        
         | fishtoaster wrote:
         | You'd probably do a credit card chargeback - same as if someone
         | failed to provide any other good or service you bought online.
        
           | wpietri wrote:
           | The problem here is that credit card companies do not like
           | chargebacks in the least. A few too many and you'll see
           | penalties; more than that and you lose your merchant account.
           | Since there's no vetting here, this will be a magnet for both
           | the clueless and scammers, meaning that I think it's not long
           | for this world.
        
             | fishtoaster wrote:
             | That's a fair point. I'll be curious how they handle that.
             | Maybe you could get away with booting any user from the
             | platform whose links generate too many chargebacks? But
             | yeah, if paidlink.to is ineffective at preventing
             | chargebacks, they'll get booted from stripe or whoever.
        
           | pifm_guy wrote:
           | Which in turn will cost the paidlink service lots of money. A
           | chargeback typically costs $15 or so to process.
           | 
           | I wonder how they'll police that?
        
       | tendiesfortwo wrote:
       | I like this idea but wouldn't it be really easy to bypass? Once
       | you pay for it, I imagine you get redirected and can just share
       | the final URL destination for free.
        
         | yamtaddle wrote:
         | AFAIK state-of-the-art is requesting a signed URL with a
         | timestamp from whatever system can verify you paid, then
         | presenting that to the file server, which validates the
         | signature and can also elect not to serve links with a too-old
         | timestamp (limiting the damage a leaked URL can do).
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | For payed digital assets, usually the links are time-limited
         | and/or limited in the number of times you can download.
        
           | mikeiz404 wrote:
           | Can that be done for links to youtube and other platform
           | sites?
           | 
           | It seems to do that securely requires proxying the resource
           | but that's not a great idea for platform content (It would
           | likely break the site: You would need to rewrite all static
           | and dynamic links to resources in order to host the platform
           | under a different domain. You would also be responsible for
           | bandwidth fees for relaying the content.) and redirecting
           | would expose the platform's open url to the resource.
        
         | soheil wrote:
         | They could fetch the content of the destination URL server side
         | and serve it under the generated paid URL.
         | 
         | Don't ask me about CORS, XSS, CSRF...
        
           | TylerE wrote:
           | Let's be real, 99% of uses of this will be porn or malware
           | masquerading as warez. You do not want to be fetching those
           | URLs. Removes any plausible deniability.
        
         | fishtoaster wrote:
         | My guess is that this is that this is for use-cases where
         | that's not a big concern, or at least where that concern is
         | outweighed by the easy of use.
         | 
         | Some examples off the top of my head:
         | 
         | - I'm selling something to exactly one person - I met someone
         | on discord and I'll sell them a writeup on how to do X in
         | language Y for $5, or I'm selling an art commission or
         | something. I use this service to send them a link.
         | 
         | - I'm selling a somewhat niche infoproduct - the "Expert's
         | guide to using jq to parse stripe data" or something. I expect
         | most people to find it via my blog or newsletter where I talk
         | about jq a lot. I don't think many people will pirate it and I
         | use this paid link to distribute it.
         | 
         | - I'm selling something time-bound, like "Joe's guide to the
         | 2022 world cup tournament for programmers," and I expect that
         | I'll make whatever money I'm going to make on this guide pretty
         | quickly before people get around to sharing the link for free.
         | 
         | - I'm selling something that's paid now, but that I plan to
         | make free next week. "Click this link to buy early access to my
         | yadayadayada!"
         | 
         | If you want to actively prevent sharing of the post-paywall
         | content, Gumroad and plenty of other options already exist for
         | that use-case.
        
           | czx4f4bd wrote:
           | Yeah, this is it exactly. There are definitely valid
           | criticisms of this kind of tool, but people need to
           | understand that there are already a lot of small, niche
           | creators doing this kind of thing manually, e.g. by accepting
           | PayPal and manually emailing Google Drive links to
           | purchasers.
           | 
           | These people obviously don't care much about piracy (and
           | probably don't need to, either) and don't seem interested in
           | setting up another service like Gumroad/Patreon/OnlyFans, so
           | being able to trivially automate their existing manual
           | processes sounds pretty handy.
        
           | marifjeren wrote:
           | Also: any use case where the final destination link contains
           | a one-time access code for something.
        
         | badrabbit wrote:
         | For third party sites like googledrive I think you're right but
         | if it is your own site, you can restrict based on referer.
        
           | bonyt wrote:
           | Even that is easily forged, although that takes care of some
           | casual sharing arguably.
        
             | badrabbit wrote:
             | Yeah, the argument I guess is most people won't go that far
             | over small payments like $2-5 kind of like how news sites
             | have a paywall you can bypass with archive.is
        
           | alexcroox wrote:
           | This is a no code solution
        
       | rozab wrote:
       | This is absolutely nothing new. Adfly (adf.ly) was the popular
       | version of this 10 years ago. Often modders would put their
       | mediafire links behind adfly to get a little revenue.
        
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