[HN Gopher] A collection of Soviet control rooms
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       A collection of Soviet control rooms
        
       Author : irtefa
       Score  : 173 points
       Date   : 2022-12-20 17:34 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | yamtaddle wrote:
       | Can you even imagine how relaxing it would be to have the same
       | interface to your systems, every day, with all the parts in one
       | physical location and never moving? Learn it once, then nothing
       | changes for years and years, or if it does it's usually adding
       | on, not replacing or re-arranging existing stuff? Man, that would
       | be nice.
        
         | trap_goes_hot wrote:
         | I can see it working for certain industries, but overall we
         | need digital systems too. I work in manufacturing (biotech);
         | everything we do uses a automated recipe, and there are only a
         | handful of systems where we need an operator to directly
         | interact with a UI to make stuff happen.
        
         | RedShift1 wrote:
         | Use boring software. Software that releases every few months
         | instead of weeks or even days. Software that is well documented
         | and has an active supportive community.
        
           | yamtaddle wrote:
           | Works when you're picking the software. Less so in most
           | companies where you spend 75% of your time interacting with
           | half-broken, constantly-changing, barely-interoperable
           | programs and web-services that someone else chose.
        
         | robofanatic wrote:
         | > not replacing or re-arranging existing stuff? Man, that would
         | be nice.
         | 
         | I've met some people who miss those phones with "bottom 40%",
         | that is pre-iphone era phones with hard coded plastic buttons.
         | 
         | https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/want-new-iphone-blame-steve-j...
        
         | neilv wrote:
         | Especially if the interface was designed for high performance
         | (unlike most UX today).
         | 
         | One of my favorite was when I spent years starting to learn
         | photojournalism on the side: the mechanics of using a camera is
         | only a small part of it (it's mostly about understanding and
         | conveying a story), but even at my student/amateur level, the
         | muscle memory with pro DSLR and lenses was crazy-effective.
         | 
         | I even got a shot that happened only in an instant, unexpected,
         | perceived in my peripheral vision, and the right camera body (I
         | had 2 hanging from shoulders) was suddenly in my hands,
         | viewfinder to my eye, aimed, zoomed in with my 70-200 focal
         | length ring, focused (I might've even used the wheel to select
         | which AF focus point, before half-pressing the shutter button),
         | and snapped-- without consciously intending to do any of those
         | things, so it all seemed to be instantaneous, and I got the
         | shot of something as it was falling.
         | 
         | Had I only had a touchscreen phone/camera or a bottom-end DSLR
         | (on which some brands intentionally cripple the UI, to avoid
         | cannibalizing pro gear sales), I would've looked very dumb as I
         | didn't get the shot.
        
           | smm11 wrote:
           | f8 and be there.
        
           | Acutulus wrote:
           | I'm in full agreement with you about the tactility benefits
           | with a physical camera versus a smartphone.
           | 
           | I'm in a phase of life where I'm not sure what I'm supposed
           | to be doing or even what I'm very good at. But I do have a
           | camera and I can write passable amounts of code, so I've been
           | preparing a website to host my work while I strongarm friends
           | and family into taking pictures with me. Most of them have a
           | nice phone with a good camera and so we often end up talking
           | about what the benefits are of a dedicated set of camera
           | hardware versus using a phone's camera. I like those
           | discussions because it makes me think critically about my
           | camera and why I'm using it.
           | 
           | The physical inputs and muscle-memory laden experience is
           | what I've kept relying on as justification and it's nice to
           | hear I'm not the only one. For those of us who have used
           | guns, it almost feels like holding a rifle. The entire
           | process is subconscious and the more I use it the faster I
           | become, as well as the more finely-tuned I can set up the
           | camera during that subconscious movement. It equips me to
           | image things that, if constrained by time or scene stability,
           | I straight up would not be able to do with a phone camera.
           | 
           | There's also the social benefit that comes with it. I've
           | found that when I'm using my camera and rapidly fiddling with
           | controls and settings, people around me get the sense that I
           | am a professional (I'm not) who knows what he is doing (I
           | don't). "Everyone" has a phone so those "every" are common to
           | see holding up a flat slab to a scene but dedicated camera
           | users are increasingly rare. My tools and my physical control
           | over them grants me this silly air of authority. And honestly
           | that authority presents me with fresh opportunities for
           | impromptu shots; just recently I was at a live music event
           | and started wandering into places and standing on things to
           | get the angles I wanted. Nobody said a word to me, nor did I
           | think twice about doing it. We all kind of understood, "that
           | guy has a camera and he's using it well. I suppose we should
           | let him work". Kind of interesting.
        
         | waynesonfire wrote:
         | whatever would the bored 10x'er do! But of course, invent the
         | LCD touchscreen. Now, excuse me while I throw up.
        
         | turtledragonfly wrote:
         | Agreed. Typing this with Vim (:
        
         | closeparen wrote:
         | Boring is best where the risk of nuclear meltdown is concerned,
         | but I would expect operating the same system every day for
         | years to be pretty boring vs. engineering changes to systems.
        
         | Wistar wrote:
         | I used to be an editor in an online digital video suite. All
         | real time and all dedicated controls. GVG Kadenza, Abekas and
         | Accom digital disk recorders, D1 and digi-beta, GVG 141 edit
         | controller. Rarely even looked at the controls, could adjust
         | two or more parameters simultaneously--super important,
         | especially when the parameters affected each other as they were
         | adjusted. Muscle memory ruled--like playing a piano. Plus the
         | physical motion, flying through the settings, looked impressive
         | to the clients and, at those rates which could reach several
         | hundred dollars an hour, that performance, the show, was
         | important.
        
         | rthnbgrredf wrote:
         | Learn vi/vim/nvim. Interface hasn't changed much since 1976
         | (first version of vi).
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | I think a modal editor is somewhat at odds with an HMI
           | consisting of dedicated, physical controls.
        
       | bmitc wrote:
       | I worked at a fusion company and would have loved to be involved
       | in the control room design. People generally aren't interested in
       | designing rooms like this. People are happy with just big
       | monitors at desks likely displaying hard to interact with
       | interfaces that are ever changing. One engineer even wanted to
       | install physical barriers to keep people away from stations.
        
       | jamestimmins wrote:
       | I keep wondering if there's a market to build things in this
       | style. Either smart-home/Raspberry Pi controls or something
       | similar.
        
       | rpmw wrote:
       | Reminds me of the Homer Simpson's control room, #5 especially so
        
       | Aardwolf wrote:
       | I agree it's really aesthetic (I love the circle arrangements
       | with indicator lights occurring in several in them, I assume it's
       | something reactor related). Are such control rooms still made
       | today, or is it all digital screens?
        
         | sizzle wrote:
         | Remind me of Homer Simpson working at the Springfield nuclear
         | site
        
         | folmar wrote:
         | Digital screens, but they mimic the mimics shown here.
        
       | tabtab wrote:
       | What's the sun-shaped thing in photo #2?
        
         | themanmaran wrote:
         | I think it's a graphical representation of the RBMK control
         | rods [1].
         | 
         | It's also in the last two images. These are replaceable control
         | rods that were laid out in a circular pattern in the RBMK class
         | reactors.
         | 
         | 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK
        
           | wkat4242 wrote:
           | It's not nearly enough rods for an RBMK. Those were huge. And
           | they had nothing outside the circle. Probably another type of
           | nuclear facility. Maybe a medical isotope reactor?
           | 
           | The second last photo looks like an RBMK or at least
           | something that size.
        
             | vilhelm_s wrote:
             | If you click on the picture it says it's the Kola nuclear
             | power plant, which is a VVER-440 reactor. Searching for
             | other VVER pictures, e.g.[1], confirms that they match.
             | 
             | [1] http://www.nucleartourist.com/areas/vver440a.htm
        
             | SoftTalker wrote:
             | They had channel-type reactors before the RBMK (essentially
             | earlier generations of the design) that were smaller. Could
             | be what these are.
        
         | pugworthy wrote:
         | Status of nuclear control rods I imagine?
        
         | hydrogen7800 wrote:
         | There are a few pictures with this arrangement. My guess is
         | these are nuclear reactor control rooms, and those representthe
         | control rod arrays.
        
         | mdcds wrote:
         | #2 links to atomic-energy.ru
         | 
         | So it's probably nuclear plant control console and I'm guessing
         | nuclear fuel rods are represented by a dot inside the "sun" and
         | rods themselves are suspended in some sort of a circular
         | enclosure
        
         | dale_glass wrote:
         | This one? https://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2012/05/21/33562
         | 
         | That's Kol'skaia AES,
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Nuclear_Power_Plant
         | 
         | This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VVER
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | My mind sees a very small green control panel with a Soviet
       | knock-off iPhone beneath it.
        
       | elzbardico wrote:
       | The biggest problem with the Soviet Union was Brezhnev not being
       | able to keep with his economic reforms after 1974. Seeing Russia
       | nowadays it is sometimes hard to believe that once they were the
       | second economy in the world, before being removed from this post
       | by Japan. Had they enacted Chinese style reforms they could have
       | avoided the whole disastrous 90s
        
         | cmrdporcupine wrote:
         | Even with market reforms, I think they would have fallen victim
         | to the addiction to energy revenues that's poisoned so many
         | energy exporting economies. Breeds corruption, croneyism, and
         | discourages investment in other industries.
         | 
         | Maybe Norway is the only exception.
        
       | xattt wrote:
       | The most visually appealing part is the use of colours that you
       | wouldn't expect on an industrial control panel.
       | 
       | The first picture shows a shade of blue, as well as red and
       | yellow symbols for whatever they might mean.
       | 
       | Also, approximately fifteen images down shows a switch control
       | panel for a two-platform, triple-track Moscow Metro station
       | (Polezhaevskaia) that was intended to have a branch line, but
       | mothballed due to future ridership projections.
        
         | chemeng wrote:
         | Always felt bad when replacing these old control rooms, there
         | is a certain beauty and elegance to their design that is
         | missing in modern HMIs.
         | 
         | This sort of color coding is common in industrial settings and
         | definitely was on panelboards of the era. It would be really
         | interesting if the color coding seen here in any way aligns
         | with ANSI/ASME A13.1.
        
       | akoster wrote:
       | Great find! Reminds me of this 2020 post:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23334339
       | 
       | https://designyoutrust.com/2018/01/vintage-beauty-soviet-con...
        
       | pugworthy wrote:
       | There is a Star Trek bridge vibe to those circular control rooms.
       | 
       | I wonder if there's a tradeoff point where if you have less than
       | some number of people, the circular design is more optimal to
       | enable communications between people and access to data.
       | 
       | At some point with more people (and more data) it becomes
       | untenable to keep the circular design and you go more linear,
       | such as the NASA mission control room.
        
       | kjellsbells wrote:
       | Id love to know what Edward Tufte thinks of this sort of design.
       | I get very strong small-multiples vibes from seeing all those
       | needle-style meters, and I assume, given the stakes, that the
       | Soviets applied some psychology and human information design
       | principles to them. Or maybe they just hacked it together, who
       | knows.
        
       | canadianfella wrote:
        
       | alexellisuk wrote:
       | Who spotted the GitHub commit graph towards the end of the page?
       | Looks like they were busy.
        
       | Humphrey wrote:
       | We still have control rooms like this (I think in use) in
       | Tasmania Australia. They sometimes have open days for our Hydro
       | Power Plants, and they are some of the most interesting tours
       | around. The one I visited was like using a time machine to travel
       | back to the age of Art Deco. Obviously some more modern control
       | systems have been added, but the Art Deco vibe is still there!
        
         | Arrath wrote:
         | I was lucky enough to tour a lot of hydroelectric dams around
         | the western US as a child, thanks to frequent roadtrips and a
         | dad who could talk his way into nearly any place, and a more
         | permissive security culture[1]. As you say, a lot of the
         | control rooms are beautiful in a certain functional way.
         | 
         | [1]Another thing ruined by 9/11.
        
       | bloomingeek wrote:
       | I've operated in boiler room offices at large plants for almost
       | 40 years, the mimic panel is a very valuable tool. With miles of
       | piping carrying water and steam for various reasons, the panels
       | help keep it all straight in your mind.
       | 
       | These panels are in hospitals, chemical plants, data centers,
       | Navy ships and subs and many other places similar to where I
       | work. I can't imagine what it feels like to work in a nuke
       | facility. I do work with some men who worked on subs, their
       | training was astounding.
        
         | nonrandomstring wrote:
         | The recreation of the control room in HBO's Chernobyl drama was
         | impressive. Presumably it was fairly accurate/authentic - but
         | also it's simplicity and explicit use during shots in the drama
         | as a filmic device to explain the quite technically complex
         | plot was amazing. From the dials, meters and warning lights
         | made it all come alive.
        
         | sizzle wrote:
         | Working with some SCADA control unit in a factory right now.
         | It's all digital and keeps changing configuration. Wish there
         | were physical buttons.
        
         | zhrvoj wrote:
         | I was maintaining instrumentation is similar control rooms. The
         | man behind panel. Petrochemical industry, recorders,
         | indicators, alarms, tranducers, pneum. controllers. Mix of
         | pneumatic and electronic technology (thermionic valves mostly).
         | US technology from 50's/60's and it looked the same like this.
         | Remember Taylor 700T chopper stabilized thermocouple
         | transducer, Honeywell, Fisher instrumentation...
        
         | i_am_proteus wrote:
         | After working with mimic panels for years on steam plants, I
         | got exposed to an older, pre-mimic-panel design.
         | 
         | I appreciated the mimic panel's beauty for the first time on
         | that day.
        
       | allanrbo wrote:
       | Was just watching the Andor Star Wars series last week. Probably
       | the artists took some inspiration from the soviet control rooms.
        
         | MonkeyMalarky wrote:
         | I have to say, the control room of the ship crashed on Kenari
         | was stunning.
        
       | sharkjacobs wrote:
       | good zoom backgrounds
        
       | wkat4242 wrote:
       | I wonder why the operators are always wearing lab coats and
       | butcher's hats. Are they afraid they'll get hair in the switches?
        
         | tjohns wrote:
         | Nuclear power plant. Workers would wear those uniforms while on
         | site so that they don't track any stray radioactive particles
         | home on their street clothes.
        
         | papito wrote:
         | Probably because nuclear plant workers were thought of as lab
         | workers, and those wore these uniforms as well. Not sure if it
         | was also a precaution against hair and threads falling into
         | critical equipment.
        
         | rumdonut wrote:
         | I'm not sure what these rooms control, but it's possible the
         | control room is simply part of a greater facility that has a
         | mandate for this. Which makes sense, since there's something to
         | control here that may be more sensitive / dangerous than the
         | control room itself.
        
           | SoftTalker wrote:
           | A lot of them are nuclear plants. The ones with the big
           | circular display panels on the wall are: that's the reactor
           | core.
           | 
           | They require lab/clean room type of dress so that it's easier
           | to tell if you have any foreign material on your clothes.
        
       | alfiedotwtf wrote:
       | Soviet control rooms and CRAY-1 aesthetics is what's missing in
       | my life
        
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